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demmy (m)
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From peoples' reaction here I see we wail about democracy but we really don't want it!  sad. |
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owo (m)
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I wonder why the American president did not arrest Michael Moore for preparing and releasing Farenheit 9/11 into the public domain.
Freedom of speech is what it is called and it is guaranteed in a democracy.
That is why Chris Uba told the President face to face that he rigged the Anambra Election yet, he is now in the PDP board of trustees. He was not arrested and charged for commiting treason against the people of Anambra State.
Afterall, what is good for the goose is good for the gander. So what is this noise about?
I therefore insist thatGen Malu is entitled to his opinion, regrets and plans and has commited no wrong nor incited anybody
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ijebuman (m)
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I wonder why the American president did not arrest Michael Moore for preparing and releasing Farenheit 9/11 into the public domain.
true but Moore is an ordinary citizen, imagine the furore if Colin Powell did it Freedom of speech is what it is called and it is guaranteed in a democracy.
That is why Chris Uba told the President face to face that he rigged the Anambra Election yet, he is now in the PDP board of trustees. He was not arrested and charged for commiting treason against the people of Anambra State.
Afterall, what is good for the goose is good for the gander. So what is this noise about?
not the same, accusing people of rigging an election is quite different from suggesting the overthrow of a regime in an unstable political environment like Nigeria I therefore insist thatGen Malu is entitled to his opinion, regrets and plans and has commited no wrong nor incited anybody
Thats what i'm worried about, is it really his opinion or a subtle hint. He still has supporters in the military they could see this as tacit approval for a coup |
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Odeku (m)
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Ababoy, there is something call loyalty, Obj appoint this man to be chief of what ever before he was thrown out for incompetence, now the man is bitter about it and venting out to no avail, Nigeria today is too civilized for a coward statement like that, we are trying to be a democratic nation not an authoritarian nation, Army are do defend us in time of war and not to rule us.
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Odeku (m)
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Owo Micheal Moor is a film maker, and had never held a public office, this man malu was once a military man, working for the president, big difference. he should be hang for all i care
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Akolawole (m)
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I have been commenting in politics section, this one is pobably the best thread in politics.
The comments are good and the future is bright for our country.
With the exception of four members who are promoting treason.
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owo (m)
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During the war, Awolowo crafted the Onshore Offshore Oil dichotomy ....We gave them one inch, the sea.
In late seventies, this man called President today added the land to the sea and took over everything through the Land use Act.
By 1984, they took even the freedom of spech, association and gave themselves the right to endless detention without trial through Decree 4. thereby taking over all possesion and personal freedoms.
Malu is an ordinary Nigerian Citizen, what ever his office was, he therefore every right to his opinions and regrets.
Should we un-earth all the statements the current president made about Babangida and his government while the latter was in power? Was he arrested and tried even in that Military regime?
@Ijebuman: The president stated that Mr Uba told him face to face that he rigged the Anambra election. If subverting the wishes of the Nigerian populate through fraudulent means (including arson, removing a sitting governor by force and several unsolved politcal murders in Anambra) is not treason, then treason does not exist.
Micheal Moore also has his own supporters in the American armed forces.
Gen. malu is therefore entitled to his own regrets and opinions
All democrats at heart understand this.
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ono (m)
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I will take a stand now:
Gen. Malu is entitled to his own opinion, views and regrets. Full STOP.
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ijebuman (m)
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@owo I don't really care about Obj however he is the lawfully elected president of the country (regardless of how flawed that election was). Now if Malu was advocating Obj's removal through constitutional means then of course he's entitled to his own views. His arrogant statement shows that even after our recent bitter experience with military rule, the military and by extension the North, still feels that they can remove anyone they don't get along with by force. Micheal Moore also has his own supporters in the American armed forces.
But the American Military is not known for straying into the political arena if they don't like the Commander in Chief All democrats at heart understand this.
A true democrat will never support a statement that advocates the overthrow of an elected government regardless of your personal opinion. |
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Odeku (m)
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just like many Military troops in Iraq don't support the invasion of Iraq, but they are loyal to their president and their contry and go there to fight and die for this mission, None of the ex generals or present general will publicly criticized the current administration.
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yemstrad (m)
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@Owo .....I don't see any reason to join issue with you on this matter any longer because, you appeared not to understand the dynamics of our time.
Must we continue to repeat our past mistakes?
Must the so called leaders continue to make diversionary and divisive statements?
Must we continue to suffer because of the personal interest of the few ones in a cabal?
Must we continue to be the clog in our wheel of progress?
Must we continue to see ourselves at the extreme of wisdom?
Must we continue to batter this entity called Nigeria.
Must we continue to believe in two wrongs making a right?
Must we continue to view issues of national interest along ethnic line?
Must we continue to be tribalistic in dealings with each other?
So many questions to be answered by we younger ones. Our answers to these questions will either liberate us or plunge us deeper into the mess.
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ono (m)
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We too dey like pretend say things dey alright for this our country. Even in the face of all the problems we are facing, we prefer to still go jolly jolly like nothing dey shele
Things dey bad, we dey talk am as it is, yet some people feel say make we dey look look like that. Me, I no dey for that kain thing o! I don talk my own.
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demmy (m)
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Malu's speech is not "inciting" because:
1) He is no more in the service.
2) Prospective coup makers don't need Malu "inciting" them to plan coup if they'D set their mind to it.
Oversensitivity is dangerous people. Remember the Miss World bloodshed because of oversensitivity to harmless statement?
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Akolawole (m)
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It is true that things are not easy in our country but IT IS ALWAYS LIKE THAT, very difficult country to understand. Lets examine these two instances:
1) I was listening to one of Ebenezer Obey's old track recently, it was a cassette dedicated to the Victorious Under-17 World cup in 1985. It was titled " Nigeria yi si ma dun" , which means Nigeria will still be sweet. This is 1985! (Twenty-one years). The country was difficult then...
2) My Baba get one poor-man's house for Ibadan, the whole area was scanty but within three years, there is no single land in the area. Beautiful houses had been erected. Upon the prices of the building materials, where do people get the money to do all these?
Very very difficult country to understand.
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Akolawole (m)
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Malu's speech is not "inciting"
It may not be inciting to the Southerners but to the Core North, it was reported that Miss World wahala started with sending of text messages after a jumat service. |
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Akolawole (m)
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We too dey like pretend say things dey alright for this our country. Even in the face of all the problems we are facing, we prefer to still go jolly jolly like nothing dey shele
Things don dey shele for a long time.
I am sure you will be one of the supporter of Dokubo Asari , who said he want to bring down Nigeria. Isnt it Ono?  |
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ijebuman (m)
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He (Awoniyi) described Malu, as one of the "greatest and internationally acclaimed soldiers has spoken as a democrat and a stickler for principles."Malu a democrat?, what a joke, wasn't he the chairman of the tribunal that tried Diya et al for an attempted coup against Abacha ? This is the same Malu who was quoted at different fora that he never regretted serving Abacha and would do the same if giving the same opportunities.
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owo (m)
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Is it a co-incidence that all but two of those wishing that Malu be hung are Yoruba by their screen name?
Maybe not.
Are northerners fools? No. So why should a whole region be stereotyped this way.
Was Malu wrong to serve Nigeria.... even under Abacha? Then all civil servants should have resigned.
These grave diversion and stereotype really shows a lot.
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rikkyjen (m)
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Ijebu man....Diya was tried according to military laws as in he was court-martialled...Every miltary offender are court-martialled just like diya.So Malu trying diya in a tribunal is no point,thats the way its meant to be,Even in the western world,if a soldier is caught pilfering whether in the barracks or on the road,d guy is going to be courtmartialled and tried according to military laws . If malu sentenced Diya,Wats d big deal????Wasnt diya guilty???Afterall troops were mobilized and deployed to strategic points,funds were distributed...So what other evidence do u need that a coup was in d offing???d only thing was that diya foolishly agreed to him being used as a set-up Malu said he would serve Abacha again if possible,Ofcourse that is wats called loyalty as in 100% undiluted loyalty,malu was being loyal to his boss.Afterall it was during Abacha years he got his intl accoldes as a peacekeeper in Ecomogs???....so what the heck are we saying about malu not being a democrat?  ??
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yemstrad (m)
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That is why i will not join issue with you. It appears you are too tribalistic. If for instance there is outbreak of civil war say from statements like that of Malu and others alike, do you think it is only the Yorubas that will suffer it.
Even, you and generations yet unborn will suffer it. For you information, the Yorubas are the less hypocritical people and that is why you see people like Prof. Soyinka, Gani Fawehinmi, Femi Falana, Beko, etc being always the first to challenge openly any untoward move from Obasanjo.
What kind of person are you? A tribalistic type who will never repent.
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ijebuman (m)
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Is it a co-incidence that all but two of those wishing that Malu be hung are Yoruba by their screen name?
Maybe not.
Are northerners fools? No. So why should a whole region be stereotyped this way.
Was Malu wrong to serve Nigeria.... even under Abacha? Then all civil servants should have resigned.
These grave diversion and stereotype really shows a lot.
@owo I'm slightly disappointed, i enjoy political debate but i'm always frustrated when we can't discuss issues in an objective way without someone playing the ethnic card and claiming an opinion is based on ethnic loyalty  |
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ijebuman (m)
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Ijebu man....Diya was tried according to military laws as in he was court-martialled...Every miltary offender are court-martialled just like diya.So Malu trying diya in a tribunal is no point,thats the way its meant to be,Even in the western world,if a soldier is caught pilfering whether in the barracks or on the road,d guy is going to be courtmartialled and tried according to military laws .
If malu sentenced Diya,Wats d big deal????Wasnt diya guilty???Afterall troops were mobilized and deployed to strategic points,funds were distributed...So what other evidence do u need that a coup was in d offing???d only thing was that diya foolishly agreed to him being used as a set-up
The big deal was that he was wearing an 'Abacha' badge, that precluded any likelihood that he was ever going to be an impartial judge even if Diya et al were not guilty. Ofcourse that is wats called loyalty as in 100% undiluted loyalty,malu was being loyal to his boss.
Yet he served in the government of a man who has hounded the family of his former boss, a man his former boss jailed for attempting a 'coup'. Strange the shifting sands of loyalty  |
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owo (m)
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That is why i will not join issue with you. It appears you are too tribalistic. Please find below where the tribalism started. Note that I am not from the north It may not be inciting to the Southerners but to the Core North,
For you information, the Yorubas are the less hypocritical people and that is why you see people like Prof. Soyinka, Gani Fawehinmi, Femi Falana, Beko, etc being always the first to challenge openly any untoward move from Obasanjo.
There you go again. Thank God for these guys but we know what they cannot challenge. What kind of person are you? A tribalistic type who will never repent.
I am Owo, born, bred and not buttered in Yoruba land. You cannot be more of a Yoruba than myself. I stand for what I understand to be fair, right, equitable and just. The issue is that freedom of speech/expression is a fundamental human right and must not be scarificed, mortgaged or sold for any reason.No matter who is involved. On this I stand and will not repent. Therfore Gen. Malu is entitled to his own regrets, opinions and views. |
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owo (m)
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@owo I'm slightly disappointed, i enjoy political debate but i'm always frustrated when we can't discuss issues in an objective way without someone playing the ethnic card and claiming an opinion is based on ethnic loyalty @Ijebuman I understand and feel your disappointment. But you have just had a very slight dose of what I feel when it becomes obvious there is no humane, logical or objective reason for sticking to a position except for ethnic purposes. On the Issue at hand, nothing explains why a man should be tried for a criminal offense because he said that he regrets that he did not kill his neighbour's child when he had the opportunity to do so. Anybody that wants to kill will do so whether another person regrets it or not. Therefore Gen. Victor Malu as a Nigerian Citizen is entitled to his regrets. |
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dblock (m)
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Malu is a malu(cow)  . If I was in naija i would adress him myself |
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ono (m)
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Let me douse the tension brewing in here:
Owo is a very good friend, and
Oga Ijebuman, is way back my Senior.
Kola, well, Kola is a politician
Make una sheath una swords. Let the EFCC, SSS, Police and other OBJ's machines do the dirty job of arresting the man, if they can. Just sheath your swords.
And where is Conscience, the man who started this thread?
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Akolawole (m)
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Kola, well, Kola is a politician
Politician ke! |
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Akolawole (m)
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Watching him on AIT few hours ago, he has refuted the statement, he says he is a democrat.
Ono,Conscience and Owo, what is your take on this?
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edonbetter (m)
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I dislike obasanjo rules and his polivies which has brought hardship to nigerians, but what i don,t like is people whose hands are soiled to criticize him. who is malu to criticize obasanjo?is he not aware of the genocide that he committed at odi the sleepy town in bayelsa. is he also aware that his statement is a treason. somebody should talk to him.
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Lagota
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Someone said MALU na coward, malu na cow for yoruba language ,MALU COWARD
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