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Drusilla (f)
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I am in just in shock. I saw some bad pictures of Port Harcourt. Shame on Nigerians who try to pretend that America is just a shopping place. Shame on the Nigerian government, the tribal chief leaders. Shame on Shell. Total. China. Shame on the fact that Nigeria is 5th in oil but last in profits/GDP whatever.
Their selling each other and killing each other for crumbs.
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Hero (m)
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post up the pics.
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stranger12
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Don't be deceived by the abracadabra pictures.
Beautiful shots I would say.
I know one thing. If an exploratory oil well is sunk in the Sahara, Nigerian normads will be there claiming that its their ancestral home.
I am talking from experience.
I'm not trying to undermine you comment but somethings are just complex.
PLUS I AM OF THE OPINION THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TREAT THE NIGER DELTA ISSUE WITH TOP PRIORITY.
Do you know that the oil capital of Nigeria used to be as beautiful as a garden, Hence the name garden city.
I really don't know what went wrong but its now an eye sore.
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Drusilla (f)
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Stranger12,
I was just thinking about how they called it:
"The curse of the black gold."
And how they noted that where the ships line up to get the oil everyday.
Is the same place those ships lined up to pick up slaves.
The curse of the first black gold?
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Drusilla (f)
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Don't be deceived by the abracadabra pictures.
PLUS I AM OF THE OPINION THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TREAT THE NIGER DELTA ISSUE WITH TOP PRIORITY.
stranger12, So those people in the Niger Delta being squeezed out by oil interests, their food supply torn apart, the government having more interest in shooting them instead of building them up as a people, are just imagining all of that? It's like a government top priority against the people and eco-systems there. The article said the government doesn't care about their tax money anymore, they just want the proceeds from selling the oil. So nobody cares anymore about the people and if they get anything, the people seem as if they are considered expendable. China might make a dent there, since they are coming in and offering to build up infrastructure and get oil. It seems so stupid that the Nigerian government gets less out of their oil money, than Senegal gets out of their peanut money. Greed and Corruptness has cause a wave of ignorance in the government. And this ignorance is actually costing Nigerians money. The very money they so desparately need to develop whatever they want to develop. It's also starting the "divide and conquer" tactics of machine guns magically appearing in forests. Most worrisome. |
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stranger12
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stranger12,
So those people in the Niger Delta being squeezed out by oil interests, their food supply torn apart, the government having more interest in shooting them instead of building them up as a people, are just imagining all of that?
It's like a government top priority against the people and eco-systems there.
The article said the government doesn't care about their tax money anymore, they just want the proceeds from selling the oil. So nobody cares anymore about the people and if they get anything, the people seem as if they are considered expendable.
China might make a dent there, since they are coming in and offering to build up infrastructure and get oil.
It seems so stupid that the Nigerian government gets less out of their oil money, than Senegal gets out of their peanut money.
Greed and Corruptness has cause a wave of ignorance in the government. And this ignorance is actually costing Nigerians money. The very money they so desparately need to develop whatever they want to develop.
It's also starting the "divide and conquer" tactics of machine guns magically appearing in forests. Most worrisome.
No, The government is not shooting them. Check out this nigerian proverb - a toddler that would like to be carried should do so with open arms.you don't create so much insecurity and expect growth and stability. |
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Drusilla (f)
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No, The government is not shooting them.
Check out this nigerian proverb - a toddler that would like to be carried should do so with open arms.
you don't create so much insecurity and expect growth and stability.
Stranger12, But the article said that the government is burning down whole shanty towns or villages in response to MEND actions. The government putting resources and money for that but in the same article, a fire was allowed to burn for 2 months, waiting for Shell to come deal with it. That's not right thinking. The government should be partners with the people in the area and be the first ones demanding far more to preserve the people and the ecology. The Russia government just forced an oil company to accept all debt and turn over the majority ownership of the oil project to the government. The deal was accepted by the oil company because in reality the first deal was a deal that cheated the government and people of the area. Nigeria should be in renegotiations with oil company's not in partnership with them against the people and land. |
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stranger12
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Stranger12,
But the article said that the government is burning down whole shanty towns or villages in response to MEND actions.
The government putting resources and money for that but in the same article, a fire was allowed to burn for 2 months, waiting for Shell to come deal with it.
That's not right thinking. The government should be partners with the people in the area and be the first ones demanding far more to preserve the people and the ecology. . .
Shanty villages are a nuisance. Like I said previously, the inhabitants of those shanty towns are mostly normads. Oil activities attracts them. |
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Drusilla (f)
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Shanty villages are a nuisance. Like I said previously, the inhabitants of those shanty towns are mostly normads.
Oil activities attracts them.
Stranger12, You know you have sent me into a state of shock by the idea that Nigeria, of all places still has "nomads". In the dessert yeah, but country like Nigeria? Come now. |
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Hero (m)
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Stranger12,
You know you have sent me into a state of shock by the idea that Nigeria, of all places still has "nomads".
In the dessert yeah, but country like Nigeria?
Come now.
It's the truth. |
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Drusilla (f)
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It's the truth.
Hero, Wow. That is beautiful. I would love to go and see them. If you are talking about the real kind of nomadic tribes and not some type of nomadic tribes who exist in western attire. Smile. |
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Hero (m)
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Hero,
Wow. That is beautiful. I would love to go and see them. If you are talking about the real kind of nomadic tribes and not some type of nomadic tribes who exist in western attire. Smile.
Dru, while there are those type of nomads in which you're thinking about residing in Northern Nigeria, the ones in which that poster was speaking of are not them. When he called them nomads, what he was referring to was that fact of that these people who are in fact native to that southern region of Nigeria are not necessarily native to the interior swamp lands where the oil and gas is being pumped. They migrated into the Swamps after the oil was found and began claiming the land was theirs, when i fact no one or very, very few people actually lived in those interior swamp lands at the the time the oil was found--- and thus most of the land was owned by the state/government. So this is why he referred to them as nomads to the wamp lands, although a more proper term would had been migrants and or Squatters. |
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Drusilla (f)
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Hero,
Okay. I got ya.
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stranger12
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@ Hero, thanks for understanding me.
However, I would not say no one lives in the swamps.
As a matter of fact, the Ijaws are a "tribe" of the water dwellers. They live in stilt houses and they have done so for hundreds or thousands of years.
They have a population of more than 2 million.
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Drusilla (f)
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Stranger12,
So basically, you have Nigerians moving around in attempts to get some development money of their own.
I can not say that I am opposed to moving around to brighten your future.
Anyways, the lands belong to them, the people of Nigeria, all of them, and these nomads are part of that picture.
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paddy_lo (m)
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Hey Dru
don't fall for that propagandaNigeria has 36 states,and each recieves a budget based on various criteria like population and derivation,that is where the resources are derived from,now these states in the Niger Delta get budgets in excess of Billions of dollars annually,controlled by the states themselves,now note that this is larger than some african country's budgetsand in Nigeria u can live anywhere u want,there are millions of people living in lagos and Abuja not indiginous to those areas but own houses and make a living,with MENDS logic u might as well send those people home from Lagos since lagos belongs to lagosians and should only be developed for lagosians,i see these people as ordiniary unemployed criminals,and be careful what u wish cause if Nigeria implodes it will be the west that will showcase that failure first to the outside,i can't understand this i mean there are 10 times worse conflicts in colombia,India(kashmir),sri-lanka,Thailand(south),Indonesia,Philipines(south seperatists),Russia(chechnya),Lebanon,israeli can keep going on,but nobody makes too much a fuss about thatDru i hope u get a chance to visit Nigeria someday and understand.
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Hero (m)
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Hey Dru
don't fall for that propagandaNigeria has 36 states,and each recieves a budget based on various criteria like population and derivation,that is where the resources are derived from,now these states in the Niger Delta get budgets in excess of Billions of dollars annually,controlled by the states themselves,now note that this is larger than some african country's budgetsand in Nigeria u can live anywhere u want,there are millions of people living in lagos and Abuja not indiginous to those areas but own houses and make a living,with MENDS logic u might as well send those people home from Lagos since lagos belongs to lagosians and should only be developed for lagosians,i see these people as ordiniary unemployed criminals,and be careful what u wish cause if Nigeria implodes it will be the west that will showcase that failure first to the outside,i can't understand this i mean there are 10 times worse conflicts in colombia,India(kashmir),sri-lanka,Thailand(south),Indonesia,Philipines(south seperatists),Russia(chechnya),Lebanon,israeli can keep going on,but nobody makes too much a fuss about thatDru i hope u get a chance to visit Nigeria someday and understand.
Paddy, absolutely correct. |
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JustGood (m)
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Paddy lo, what's being expressed is what gets expressed when we allow so much of our ways to be influenced and sometimes eroded by people who don't know what we are about or how/why we do what we do.
They come ill-informed with their terrible judgements based on their own ways of life. We cannot afford to continue letting foreigners dictate how we live our lives. We will soon realise that all of our heritage and ways gets swallowed up and then, we will really become inferior people on this planet because we will constantly struggle to fit in with things that are not suited to us or that we are not suited to.
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