{ninetofive's Hard Talk} Nigerians Study With Your Languages, Don't Be Fools

Why do you think that would work for Europeans? If there's one thing you need to understand, then it is the European tribes in general cherish their culture. It is very different from the white American culture of whiteness.
There is no country in Europe where children receive their education in a foreign language (the French push for internal cultural uniformity notwithstanding).

Nferyn,

Could you write that as if you were talking to a 5 year old? I know what the words mean but don't understand what your saying. Unless your just noting my "Americancentricness".



Afrocentricism normally deals the idea of Black people getting a Black Education. Melanin theorists/Egyptologists (as religion) are normally kept outside of the Afrocentric system whereby Black Educators are creating new ways to teach Black Children about themselves and thereby hold their interest in school, rather than as it is now well known and tested -- Black children just do not believe what their teachers say and do not listen to them, until starting at the age of 14 by which time, most of the basic concepts have been missed.

This is cultural because African Americans do not believe white people and all of their education stuff.  i.e. We have stacks of science text books that tried to prove our inferiority and thus we lost belief in what "they say" a long time ago.

Or as one African American professor said: Black Americans believe with all their hearts that whites are just liars and hypocrites. It is hard for us to then listen to what they said, so we are constantly in the mode of rewriting stuff, so that we can hear it.

Nferyn,

As physical control was being lost by Europeans, they decided to go for mental/intellectual control.

Thus there was a big push to educate Africans supposedly to be able to rule their own countries but in reality to be able to rule it the same way whites had.

And you see this idea was successful. Neo-Colonialism has been powerful, since it is only Europeans with Black faces in power now.

I thought I already explained that before. I was just using a shorthand here. Anyway, what I mean is that in the externalisation of the enemy, the typecasting of the enemy in essential characteristics (e.g. core white psychology) and proposing an immutable essential archetype of the enemy, you're overlooking the complexity of reality while thinking you've captured it. You need a far more holistic approach where something is not defined by it's internal characteristics, but rather by how it relates to what it is not and by the dynamic, ever changing  character of that reality. Reality is gradual, not characterisable, probabilistic and contextual. You see necessity and purpose where there is none. It's high time we get rid of Platonic dualistic, essentialist philosophy and Thomistic theology.

Good that they're outside the Afrocentric movement. It would be a shame if one idiotic mythology gets replaced by another one. Nobody gains by that. There is sufficient value in real historical accomplishments within Africa without having the mythologise an anachronistic past that never was.
In general young children must be taught self-confidence  first and the joy of inquiry should be fostered. This is extremely difficult in a majority culture that doesn't value you, therefore, until the majority culture becomes more inclusive, it is generally speaking a good idea for young children to be in an environment that allows them to find their self-worth in their early formative years.
And, even though I'm saddened to say so, in some cases voluntary segregation could temporarily be a means to that end.

You need to look at the dynamics of cultural production and take your clues from that instead of throwing away the baby with the bath water. All knowledge can and will be abused is specific contexts and even the validity of knowledge should be questioned in many cases as it is produced in a specific cultural context. It is therefore essential to teach critical thinking skills and get rid of rote learning. Equally important is rejecting the idiotic idea that faith, belief without evidence, is a virtue.

Whatr are you saying here?

I like necessity and purpose. Sometimes it keeps the kids from killing themselves, I think.  

I recently met a young college white American girl, Christian & evolutionist, feminists, etc. Every thing you can expect from American schools.  She had just been taught by her high school teachers that "Whites were needed because they are the only people who have put an end to slavery, oppression etc, etc."

I literally fell out in shock. Then I quickly agreed with that white teacher who had told this child that little lie. They have found purpose for little white kids, to get rid of slavery and oppression and bring justice. Where as Black kids (includes all people of color) learn purpose because of the horror of their situtation.  Whites kids have to be taught it through the John Brown's (famous white American who died and killed fighting slavery).

They found something to do with "European Culture" (i.e. white culture, American style). The white teacher's lie directs white kids toward the right purpose. How could I find fault when it accomplish's my purpose to have white kids directed this way, when they will in fact, inherit control of America? It doesn't seem like the lies the teachers taught before this newest one (We are superior because we dominate the world because we are superior because we dominate the world. LOL SMILE) were that helpful.  For Afrocentric purposes. Maybe these new ones are a view they are entitled to teach.

I know you say let it die. Yet that is not the reality of how the White or the Black folks think, over here. And sorry. But we are the superpower of the world. We are importing this stuff to the world. That's why I can have people around the world, whites, africans, repeating lies about African Americans and Afrocentrism. Whites got of course the money and power to project what they want about us to the world. We Blacks just got our music, our voices, to get our say. But after 400 years of that being the only thing we were left to fight with, we are pretty good at using them. Smile.


Stories always have points of view. History is more fluid than "Reality". Smile.


See. Just as I said earlier, definitely "Honorary Afrocentric".


Nferyn,

What are you calling an "idiotic idea" is the bread and butter of African Americans.

As slaves we had no evidence to respond to "Drapetomania". Yet we knew that white folks was wrong.

Faith has walked us many a miles, from our humble beginnings. We had no evidence, but we still knew the truth.

And that is the same faith that the bible required, that is why African Americans love it so. 95 percent christian. Even Louis Farrakhan uses a bible with AA. Nothing you can say, is going to talk us out of our belief in God. He alone saved us.


White folks is stone cold nuts. What was a slave supposed to think when told that it was a "mental disease" (Drapetomania)  to want to be free? White folks has always been sadistic liars and hypocrites to African Americans. in 1905 Married Continental man with 2 kids put in Zoo, to enforce their view of Africans, his teeth were shaved down -- so he could look like a better example of whites higher evolution than Blacks.  1940's Blackmen just allowed to walk around and spread syphylyss(sp). Bell Curve book "well recieved by all of America's thinkers" 1994. Liars and hypocrites.

The point being that we do not trust whites, and just as could be expected --when whites got a hold of Black children because of "desegregation of schools", you had black areas like DC go from better than their near by white suburban kids, to now, where you almost have to be mentally ill to sign your child up for these violent schools.

In our mind the issue is overwith. Black Children must have a Black Education. Period. Desegregation didn't work out that well, when it comes to schools.

Listen to this, Black Children male even scare their little white teachers, since they are much bigger. Just the size of AA children alone is intimidating to teachers. And this desegregated system has been a total failure with like 50 percent of young black males not graduating in some places.

Black children need a Black Education. It's not even an if or when. So many Black Educators are making it come true right now. It's a how soon before the Ghetto systems fall altogether with so many Black parents abandoning it.

Edited out stupid questions to 925. LOL SMILE

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I said it before that what Black Americans want to do is to recolonise Africa. This one wants us to forget our language and adopt something similar to what the Black Americans speak. Is that not the same way we all ended up speaking and writing in the white man's language?

Are we trying to leave the bondage of the white man only to be held in the bondage of the black Americans? TIME FOR US TO THINK WELL

Has anyone noticed how drugilla interchanges between Black and African American to suit her purposes and to try and brainwash the unsuspecting???

These people may even be worse than the white man in the long run

People find necessity and purpose in their own personal lives and that's a powerful positive force. It is part and parcel of human nature to find or create purpose in life but that's not what I'm talking about.
The purpose I'm referring to is the the one that people project in situations that are without purpose. There is no purpose in history or in complex social systems. Understanding the parts of that kind of social dynamics may very well enlighten you, but there is no straight line to be drawn between individual intentions and motivations and the overall social dynamic. Doing that would be reductionistic to the extreme. Properties of complex systems cannot be derived from those of their constituent parts.

What kind of rhetorical trick are you trying to play here? You think the attitude and ignorance of that teacher were a good thing?

Your point? Lying is good?

I find that very demeaning to the people that were part of that real history. If distortion is a good thing, then they are just pons in your/their chess game.

Maybe, but please read between the lines. I'm not supporting an all out agenda of segregation.

That hanging on to religion is also the reason that, unlike during the early years of the civil rights movement, black atheists are shunned within their own communities. There are no more Paul Robesons, A. Philip Randolphs, Hubert Henry Harrisons and others like them. But maybe you do find that an improvement.

Or maybe maintained you in a subservient, fatalistic position for so long. Religion keeps people docile.

I still don't know what a black education is

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Am sorry to disappoint you, but I failed to see anything reasonable in this write up, this is more of bubble gum line of thought and an attempt to cling on to the the usual status of myrmidon, that left Africans with very low self expectation, low self esteem and Africa undeveloped and brought about the Issue of the retarded low IQ in the first place, nice attempt but too low for zero.


If we don't do anything now in a million years, we would still be pusillanimously hiding behind this line of statement below, when do we draw the line and quit being second fiddle , I don't know about you, but am definitely done, and I know majority of our people feel the same way.








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please don't come in here and tell me we should keep English because is the world number one language, because you need English to work in the west [please be my guest learn English to work in the west], this line of thinking is too simplistic, what if you don't speak English and you know what you are doing as a nation, doing things by yourselves and for yourselves and you don't need to work outside the country but only travel as tourist or as expatriates, I don't see Japanese complaining of their lack of English language, so Africans stop being morons.

This is an old, old discussion that unfortunately hasn't resulted in much for Nigeria, but I agree with NFeryn. I think the whole argument about cultural pride is misplaced though. It's certainly important, but it's not the main issue. Children learn best in their first/mother languages. This isn't under any dispute. UNESCO and other agencies have sponsored studies upon studies that established that first-language/mother tongue education provides the best results, and most sensible governments around the world have policies that reflect that research.



You're absolutely right--Professor Fafunwa at the University of Ife pioneered that program after conducting research for the UN. His program was well-known among cognitive/first-language education researchers around the world. As with so many of the best things in Nigeria, it wasn't continued. There are scholars who continue to work on promoting the idea though--a Yoruba/English dictionary will


Well, you're right that the expense and difficulty of implementing first-language education seems daunting, but other countries did it and continue to do it because they acknowledge the value. English was originally the medium of education in Japan until the Japanese government took concrete steps to have all educational materials translated to their language. India, with one billion citizens and hundreds of languages, has even more problems than Nigeria with this issue, yet they stress and value mother tongue and multilingual education as much as possible.


Nsibidi ideographic script has been studied by anthropologists for decades. It's use was/is largely restricted to the Ekpe/Ngbe initiation society though--it wasn't really meant for general use, although it's possible that it could be adopted for such. The precolonial Yoruba communication system is called aroko, which were basically collections of symbols that conveyed metaphorical messages. They could be sent as letters and were often used for diplomatic contacts, messages of love etc. Again, it's possible that aroko can be adapted for classroom education, but I think it would be more important to start the process of mother-tongue education with the modern orthographies we already have for Nigerian languages.

between--Northern Nigeria already had its own script before the coming of the British--Ajami is the name for Hausa language written in Arabic script. Hausas had the best tradition of formal education in law, science, history, religion etc. before colonization, so you shouldn't be so quick to dismiss their intellectual potential.

Donzman,

Nigerians not doing well in school? Aren't you the ones who love to suck the tit white education and think it is the answer to all of your problems?

Yes, this needs to be taught at home and at the community level, long before a person becomes a leader. This is part of a Black Education.


Nigeria's problem is that it lacks a Black Education. Thus when leaders get elected and find out the system whereby their expected to "take the money and shut up" in regards to getting the goods to Europeans or whomever needs them, they take the easy way out.


My son recieves good grades because he recieved a Black Education early on, from me. I was an homeschooler and definitely put my beliefs to work in my own children's life first. 

Once when attending "government schools" my son was his first day confronted by a teacher who attempted to give him easier work than the white kids. He snapped off, having been warned many times that teachers like for Black kids to be dumb. The teacher never did that again and in fact came to love my son. Being amazed that my son was so smart.

See how my son, did not take the "easy way" out, like Nigerian leaders do?

It's a Black Education that teach's you that.

Donzman,

And? Scoffers will always abound when Blackmen show any initative and try to make decisions for themselves to better them and their own people.


Donzman,

Look around you  at all the smart Nigerians you know. Where they going? No where. Their running away from Nigeria and getting their kids out of there.

A Black Education would teach them to value other Nigerians enough to dedicate their lives to helping Nigerians better themselves.

Joel. A Rogers, African American, Self-educated and unsponsored wrote the book: Greatest Colored men of the world.

Ida B. Wells, documented lynchings on her own, for the purposes of her own people.

George Washington Carver, started his university to help bettter black people.

W.E.B. Dubois wrote for the help of his own people.

Martin Luther King had a PHD but worked for the betterment of his own people.

The point of the examples, is that they are examples of people who could have made money, just working for the whiteman, with their degrees.

Instead they had vision and hopes for their own people. They were "delusional" with their dream of their people having a better future.

Nigerian leaders and a lot of Nigerian people, lack that vision and hope for their own people.

So lacking are they in seeing a vision or having a hope in Nigerians and Nigeria, that you can hear them dreaming about when "the whiteman had them colonized" things were better.

They would indeed choose the "easy way out" by running away or by hoping the whiteman comes back and colonizes them.

Don't pretend like Nigerians in the west being so smart and getting good grades in school, means they don't still need a Black Education. Getting a good job, a house in the suburbs and a good car for oneself. Like one finds most Nigerians in the west concentrating pr complimenting themselves on, are great goals if one wish's to die in obscurity.

The people that history remembers are those delusional enough to believe that their efforts for Black people, were worth their life.

And in America, it turns out those African Americans were right.

Ten thousand fools proclaim themselves into obscurity, while one wise man forgets himself into immortality.
Martin Luther King Jr.

Don't copy what people say and pretend like you are talking up, the charity begins at home thing does not tally with the premise and the cadence of your write ups, am yet to see you contribute any smart thing in any thread, is so ludicrous.