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Drusilla (f)
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925,
I do apologizing for believing that the same "real spit" you feel you can give to your Nigerian brothers and sisters, is the same "real spit", I feel I can give to you, my Black Brother.
I ain't trying to fight with you. Just trying to revive your hope.
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NINETOFIVE (m)
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Donzman, This whole idea is messed up, how do you explain Asian immigrants who speak their native languages at home then English in school doing well?. . .Honestly, 925 you do not really think! How does this your language idea explain Chinese immigrants who do well in English speaking schools? I ignored you because the question you asked, you answered yourself without knowing it. Lesson number 1, Asian immigrants They are immigrants, and that proves they 've had basic education in their country and in their mothers tongue before migrating. Lesson number 2, speak their native languages at homeThey speak their native language at home, if they have problems at school, the easiest thing they would do is to buy the same text books they are using at school in their native tongue [they do that], when they are reading those books they would have an impeccable understanding of it while translating it automatically into English because of the basic knowledge of English they would have acquired, and tomorrow when they sit for exams they would do far better than you Dozman, while NINETOFIVE proves to you that his reasoning is not just reasoning out of the box but an indication that there is even no box. 925 is the FATHER of theories that are built around a particular sample instead of building your theory then fitting the date into it. With 925 the sample changes, his theory becomes NONSENSE to be polite.
a prophet is not recognized in his place by his own people is very evident.
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NINETOFIVE (m)
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Drussilla, 925,
Shut the phuck up. Africans are not retards.
They can learn. They just must be given a Black Education, so that they understand their own self-worth.
Let's not cook the baby goat, in it's own mother's milk that is meant to feed them.
Please, my brother, you know I love you.
me too my Sister, and I understand what you mean , don't mind me, I was just tripping.
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NINETOFIVE (m)
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925,
I do apologizing for believing that the same "real spit" you feel you can give to your Nigerian brothers and sisters, is the same "real spit", I feel I can give to you, my Black Brother.
I ain't trying to fight with you. Just trying to revive your hope. Thank you.
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Drusilla (f)
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925,
Thank you for your gracious response. Smile.
Reach One, Teach One.
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shango (m)
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so 925 you believe the average Nigerian is retarded then since you seem to be putting stock in IQ tests and their relevance.
If that is true then you are an idiot. If not perhaps I am misunderstanding your point with posting the different IQ scores.
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blonde1 (f)
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925,
I think you misunderstood Donzman. I guess he was speaking about children of Chinese immigrants, children born in a foreign country and having all their education in a foreign language while speaking Chinese at home.
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NINETOFIVE (m)
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925,
I think you misunderstood Donzman. I guess he was speaking about children of Chinese immigrants, children born in a foreign country and having all their education in a foreign language while speaking Chinese at home.
the same thing applies, look at me for example, I was not born in Igboland, I ve not spent more than 30 days at a go in Igboland, I did not study igbo at school, but I write in Igbo and read Igbo very well, there is no word I would require a dictionary in igbo, am sure the same thing applies to the Chinese, your mothers tongue is your mothers tongue.
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blonde1 (f)
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the same thing applies, look at me for example, I was not born in Igboland, I ve not spent more than 30 days at a go in Igboland, I did not study igbo at school, but I write in Igbo and read Igbo very well, there is no word I would require a dictionary in igbo, am sure the same thing applies to the Chinese, your mothers tongue is your mothers tongue.
Sure. It's similar with me. But we are talking about education in a foreign language. These Chinese kids are an example that you can both cultivate your native language and learn at school in a foreign language achieving good results.
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NINETOFIVE (m)
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so 925 you believe the average Nigerian is retarded then since you seem to be putting stock in IQ tests and their relevance.
If that is true then you are an idiot. If not perhaps I am misunderstanding your point with posting the different IQ scores.
well probably there is a misunderstanding some where then, I didn't mean any harm what so ever in posting the IQ table, but no matter what your argument is, bear in mind that there are thousands of points that could be used to argue that the IQ scores there, are close to real, a case of people fitting perfectly into the stereotype views about them.
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Drusilla (f)
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http://www.janeelliott.com/There again is the white lady, who has proved that only after one hour of telling someone that they are inferior, you can change their test scores, so they come out looking stupider than when they originally took the test. Returning to your own language, is a way of saying, we and our things are NOT INFERIOR.
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NINETOFIVE (m)
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Sure. It's similar with me. But we are talking about education in a foreign language. These Chinese kids are an example that you can both cultivate your native language and learn at school in a foreign language achieving good results.
is it so difficult for you to understand that, if we had physics text books in Igbo, if I had problems in my physics class, I will just go home get my Igbo physics text book read it and understand it just like I understand my mum, my dad, my brothers/sisters at home, think deeper.
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blonde1 (f)
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925, I do understand. But what have you done yourself? I translated quite a lot of useful stuff into my native language and posted in on the Net (nobody would publish a paper version and pay me for it anyway  ) and I know that it is used. Internet is a great tool and more and more people have access to it. If you rant about lack of books on whatever subject in Igbo, translate, publish and let people know that it is there. Or add more articles in Igbo to Wikipedia.
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Drusilla (f)
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925, I do understand. But what have you done yourself? I translated quite a lot of useful stuff into my native language and posted in on the Net (nobody would publish a paper version and pay me for it anyway  ) and I know that it is used. Internet is a great tool and more and more people have access to it. If you rant about lack of books on whatever subject in Igbo, translate, publish and let people know that it is there. Or add more articles in Igbo to Wikipedia. Blonde1, Exactly. Not towards 925 but towards all Black People world wide. Do it to help your people in the long run. Even if it has no monetary value to anybody. Joel. A Rogers -- Self-educated -- wrote the book "the Greatest colored men" without sponsorship. He could not possibly have known the value this book would come to have in University's across America. Ida. B. Wells -- kept track of lynchings on her own. Now her book is taught in all Univeristy's across America, Black and Whites teach her. George Carver Washington, holder of over 1000 patents and whom founded Tuskegee University. Had no way of knowing what his little school and his scientific investigations would end up being in the future. Do it on your own. This is the wave of the future for all Black People. This is why I brag that my son's Black Education turned out perfect, because He was made by God and understands his duty to God, this is why my son thinks nothing of walking miles to help wash the feet of homeless people (Black and White). He understands that the future is in his hands, that he must care, that even if he doe not get paid, it is his duty to do those things which make for people's lives to get better.
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NINETOFIVE (m)
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blonde1, Quote from: blonde1 on Today at 06:11:59 AM 925,
I think you misunderstood Donzman. I guess he was speaking about children of Chinese immigrants, children born in a foreign country and having all their education in a foreign language while speaking Chinese at home. the same thing applies, look at me for example, I was not born in Igboland, I ve not spent more than 30 days at a go in Igboland, I did not study igbo at school, but I write in Igbo and read Igbo very well, there is no word I would require a dictionary in igbo, am sure the same thing applies to the Chinese, your mothers tongue is your mothers tongue. Sure. It's similar with me. But we are talking about education in a foreign language. These Chinese kids are an example that you can both cultivate your native language and learn at school in a foreign language achieving good results. is it so difficult for you to understand that, if we had physics text books in Igbo, if I had problems in my physics class, I will just go home get my Igbo physics text book read it and understand it just like I understand my mum, my dad, my brothers/sisters at home, think deeper. 925, I do understand. Is good you understand what I mean at last. But what have you done yourself? Is funny when you are in a thread I created on the very subject, asking me what I have done, is just too ironic. I translated quite a lot of useful stuff into my native language and posted in on the Net (nobody would publish a paper version and pay me for it anyway  ) and I know that it is used. Internet is a great tool and more and more people have access to it. If you rant about lack of books on whatever subject in Igbo, translate, publish and let people know that it is there. Or add more articles in Igbo to Wikipedia. I wont be standing here to give you accounts of all I 've done, while touting is equally acceptable, am more into campaigning for this changes on state and national level.
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blonde1 (f)
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@ Drusilla,
My work was rather in the area 925 was talking about - mundane, useful knowledge like informations about available scholarships or manuals on webmastering and the like.
You are talking about history, cultivating the memory about being victims and so on. Sure, this has some value, but in case of continental Africa it is not what people need most at this moment. Most people in Africa currently need most knowledge that will allow them to improve their financial situation, opportunities and quality of life.
@ 925,
As for changes on "nation and state level" concerning education and Africa, I think you do not understand the reality of shortage of resources in African education. Translating books into local languages, publishing them and distributing them requires money and many schools in Africa lack much more basic supplies. If there were resources for this, it would be a good step for sure, but I would begin with making primary and secondary education available and free for everybody and most African countries do not have even that. I'D really prefer everybody being able to afford education, in whatever language, than education in local languages being available for a few privileged ones. Now in most cases it is education in a foreign language available for the chosen few.
Lack of touch with everyday African reality applies also to you, Drusilla. I was a bit surprised that you didn't know, in another thread, about paying rent months or years up front or the tribal discrimination. The problem with you AA and some long-term migrants living in the rich part of the world is that you've lost touch with the harsh everyday African reality, life without safety, power outages or lack of electricity, problems with access to clean water, living in a world where things do not work and where getting some basics that you consider obvious can be a challenging adventure, to put it mildly.
Now, I understand your love and desire to do something for black people, but even if your ideas may be good for the AA, leave Africa out of it unless you understand it, unless you understand the reality in which most CAs live.
Maybe I'm not the right person to say this, because I was born in Europe in an immigrant family, but I stay very much in touch with people living in this reality I am talking about; in fact, it happened to me that people assumed that I'D left Africa not a long time ago, because I was able to comment on their stories from home like someone who understands like she had experienced it. Anyway, it would be appreciated if somebody who is living on the continent now would say if I'm right or not.
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NINETOFIVE (m)
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blonde1 @ 925,
As for changes on "nation and state level" concerning education and Africa, I think you do not understand the reality of shortage of resources in African education. Translating books into local languages, publishing them and distributing them requires money and many schools in Africa lack much more basic supplies. If there were resources for this, it would be a good step for sure,
You are talking of resources as if they are lying some where and you just have to go and pluck it, is people that creates resources, is very noisome that you people always have this mind set like somebody should make those resources available for you. If as a group of people you make the right choices and impart knowledge the right way in your people and allow it to grow, then you are that way creating resources, because all the resources we need are there in our heads, we just need to trigger it, some times is so abstruse for me the way you guys reason, and it makes me mighty mad, what is such a big deal in translating texts into native languages? when people are already planning to travel to mars in about thirty years and are now beginning to cary out actions that would make it possible, what happened to doing things gradually, if you don't learn how to stand on your feet, the possibilities of walking is gloomy. but I would begin with making primary and secondary education available and free for everybody and most African countries do not have even that. I'D really prefer everybody being able to afford education, in whatever language, than education in local languages being available for a few privileged ones. Now in most cases it is education in a foreign language available for the chosen few. if our leaders knows the value of education, they wouldn't have set up an education system that would be easily written off as nostrum, and people that are smart and passionate enough to know the value of education would have seek the most effective way of educating their people, which is the mothers tongue and would have equally searched for a way of making it available to the people, which is by making it free, by the way education should be free at all level, Awo did it in the western region and that shows that every thing is possible, Nigeria needs more leaders like Obafemi Awolowo, the problem most people have with him is the fact that he is very ethnocentric, but you don't blame him because his see's the Yorubas as a nation of its own, though he pusillanimously did not stand on that during the civil war which makes him an opportunist, we need leaders like him without the opportunism. Lack of touch with everyday African reality applies also to you, Drusilla. I was a bit surprised that you didn't know, in another thread, about paying rent months or years up front or the tribal discrimination. The problem with you AA and some long-term migrants living in the rich part of the world is that you've lost touch with the harsh everyday African reality, life without safety, power outages or lack of electricity, problems with access to clean water, living in a world where things do not work and where getting some basics that you consider obvious can be a challenging adventure, to put it mildly. The problem with you is that you spend so much time thinking about the problems, without thinking of the course of the problems and the solution, and that is where the difference is, because NINETOFIVE don't think about problems, he see's problem think of the course and the solution, If the system [ ie if I can call what we have system ] is disjointed from the incipience you can not perform magic, to deal with a problem you have get to the nucleus of the problem, I don't see anything here but a lubricious bromide rhetorical gymnastics, I hear this every day and it lacks a lot of fore sight, nice trial though. Maybe I'm not the right person to say this, because I was born in Europe in an immigrant family, but I stay very much in touch with people living in this reality I am talking about; in fact, it happened to me that people assumed that I'D left Africa not a long time ago, because I was able to comment on their stories from home like someone who understands like she had experienced it. Anyway, it would be appreciated if somebody who is living on the continent now would say if I'm right or not.
food for thought; some ones reality is a result of his/her yesterdays action,, you have a good heart but you are afraid because you still want to cling on to some very superficial things and is unfortunate you a not alone, most Africans are like that.
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Donzman (m)
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The problem with you is that you spend so much time thinking about the problems, without thinking of the course of the problems and the solution, and that is where the difference is, because NINETOFIVE don't think about problems, he see's problem think of the course and the solution
if our leaders knows the value of education How can our leaders "knows" the value of education when our scientists cannot even write simple English?. . .Haha. Now I know why you advocate teaching in our local languages, look how difficult simple spellings and sentence structures are for you even though you claim to be "learned'. . . .But don't you think our languages are too sacred for nincompoops like you to butcher like you're doing the English language at the moment?  Finally, I suggest you adhere to your own advice: if you don't learn how to stand on your feet, the possibilities of walking is gloomy. You can't even handle simple English, how do you want to go about translating the numerous and diverse Nigerian languages?  By the way, by "Asian Immigrants", I mean kids who grew up here, they speak Chinese at home, English at school and they do well.
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NINETOFIVE (m)
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Donzman,
Very typical, you could not come up with anything intelligent, resulting to mud slinging is not the way out, am still waiting to hear anything worth listening to from you, very funny indeed, i 've not seen you trying to counter anything, all you depend on is your stinking mouth, I never told you am learned, you are the one who think I am, ehm, on the contrary I don't think you are, try not to digress a lot next time, cause I could not care less.
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Donzman (m)
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Aren't you the one who said you could speak 900+ European languages and that you were a scientist with inventions all over the planet?  There's nothing to say really, your idea is weak, it doesn't explain anything. There are more concrete and explanatory reasons why Nigerians might not be doing well in school than it being because they learn in a foreign language, how absurd and trivial!. . .You're a fake scientist foreal!
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NINETOFIVE (m)
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Aren't you the one who said you could speak 900+ European languages and that you were a scientist with inventions all over the planet?  You're a fake scientist foreal reeks more of agreement laced with jealousy than disagreement. There's nothing to say really, your idea is weak, it doesn't explain anything. There are more concrete and explanatory reasons why Nigerians might not be doing well in school than it being because they learn in a foreign language, how absurd and trivial!. . . .You're a fake scientist foreal! Donzman, Ogwo nsi na ja, you are the kind of people that poison's and kill off the few brain people we have, I thought that when the older generation more like you are gone, we would be done with idiots like you, but is pellucid I was wrong, you are so phucking jealous and very delusional, the more you talk the more you expose how low your IQ is. There's nothing to say really , There are more concrete and explanatory reasons why Nigerians might not be doing well in school than it being because they learn in a foreign language, There's nothing to say really,
Very Ironic.
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Donzman (m)
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925, are you TRULY convinced that the real reason why Nigerians are not doing well in school is because they learn in foreign languages? If you do, then you must have a cheap brain!. . .There are atleast 10 more solid explanatory variables than learning in a second language to explain all of that. Donzman won't bother naming them or trying to list them out, you do not feed holy things to a rabid dog!
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EastnEuSis (f)
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There are more concrete and explanatory reasons why Nigerians might not be doing well in school than it being because they learn in a foreign language
Quote There's nothing to say really ,
, Very Ironic. very Ironic indeed, How can you say that there are more concrete and explanatory reasons why Nigerians might not be doing well in school than it being because they learn in a foreign language, when you don't really have nothing to say, more like you don't know.
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EastnEuSis (f)
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925, are you TRULY convinced that the real reason why Nigerians are not doing well in school is because they learn in foreign languages? If you do, then you must have a cheap brain!. . .There are atleast 10 more solid explanatory variables than learning in a second language to explain all of that. Donzman won't bother naming them or trying to list them out, you do not feed holy things to a rabid dog!
Haba! na wah oh, it won't kill you to accept you don't know, Nigerians are funny.
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Donzman (m)
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Yeah, translate all the books from English to the 250 identifiable languages and IQ's will rise to 120, oh really?. . .It has nothing to do with a rotten education system or unqualified teachers, it's all about language, daftness at its best!
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EastnEuSis (f)
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Yeah, translate all the books from English to the 250 identifiable languages and IQ's will rise to 120, oh really?. . .It has nothing to do with a rotten education system or unqualified teachers, it's all about language, daftness at its best!
you are not making sense, accept it, you don't know.
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Donzman (m)
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I suppose Nigerians like Wole Soyinka or Chike Obi have some extra chips embedded in their brains, arrant nonsense!. . .I suppose the same theory explains why African Americans are not doing well in school, their first language is ebonics, not English, you people amuse!. . .If we translate the textbooks to "You was chillin in ya room", their scores on the IQ test will rise by 40! Infact Chike Obi had his math textbooks translated to Igbo before he could comprehend, how interesting, I just discovered that. 
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naijaway (m)
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9to5 made a good point with the topic. But i don't believe that IQ stuff where sudan's IQ even jamaica's IQ and lots more surpasses Nigeria's own. But I like the concept of making one regions language a fact and others compulsory afterall an ordinary nigerian speaks pidgin, their languge(hear or speak), english, french, then for the northerners arabics. If we have that capacity to hear and speak all of that then what 9to5 is saying is feasible.
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Donzman (m)
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The question is not whether we can translate the textbooks to our languages, the question is whether this translation will lead to an increase in IQ from 72 to about 100+ everything else being equal. Donzman thinks translating textbooks to another language is useless and will only satisfy ethnic sentiments, there are grassroot problems when it comes to education in Nigeria, unless we take care of those, changing languages means jackshit.
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NINETOFIVE (m)
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I suppose Nigerians like Wole Soyinka or Chike Obi have some extra chips embedded in their brains, arrant nonsense!. . .I suppose the same theory explains why African Americans are not doing well in school, their first language is ebonics, not English, you people amuse!. . .If we translate the textbooks to "You was chillin in ya room", their scores on the IQ test will rise by 40! Infact Chike Obi had his math textbooks translated to Igbo before he could comprehend, how interesting, I just discovered that.  After this reply I will ignore you, since is not only me that thinks you are a fool, is very evident, don't think people are not watching, by mentioning Wole shoyinka and chike Obi, it shows a pig would always remain a pig and that your idea of education is that without substance, you can never get smarter no matter how I try, you are talking about guys that has never thought or know how to create a needle, am talking about native tongue as to how it affects creativity, encourage the application of what one has learned by reducing magical feelings and making education as informal as people, informal in the sense that education becomes more about reality than a UFO stories meant for bashing the brain, take the advice some one has given you, accept you don't know and that you are retarded. You always have a knack of jumping into things you don't know, IQ is not inherent, the calculation of IQ is linked with the GDP of a nation, National IQs assessed by the Progressive Matrices were calculated for 60 nations and examined in relation to per capita incomes in the late 1990s and to post World War Two rates of economic growth. It was found that national IQs are correlated at 0.757 with real GDP (Gross Domestic Product) per capita 1998 and 0.706 with per capita GNP (Gross National Product) 1998; and at 0.605 with the growth of per capita GDP 1950-90 and 0.643 with growth of per capita GNP 1976-98, in a nut shell if we educate our people in a way that would encourage them to be more creative in their personal lives and technologically, our country would proper and our IQ score would grow, an indolent empty headed stupor like you would think if you just start studying in your mothers tongue your IQ would grow automatically. The only problem in Nigeria is people studying in a languages they don't understand, I hate when Idiots peddle rhetoric's.
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NINETOFIVE (m)
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9to5 made a good point with the topic. But i don't believe that IQ stuff where sudan's IQ even jamaica's IQ and lots more surpasses Nigeria's own. But I like the concept of making one regions language a fact and others compulsory afterall an ordinary nigerian speaks pidgin, their languge(hear or speak), english, french, then for the northerners arabics. If we have that capacity to hear and speak all of that then what 9to5 is saying is feasible.
thank you , I know those who can think, would definitely understand what am saying.
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NINETOFIVE (m)
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you are not making sense, accept it, you don't know.
Kudos, is so easy to separate the chaff from the wheat.
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