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ZuluNation (m)
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God bless all my Igbo brothers and sisters in Nigeria and overseas. I discovered Nairaland about a couple of months ago so you can say I'm still the new kid on the block. To my surprise, it seems like we the minority on Nairaland and always looked down on. which can be so annoying sometimes, but I just want to thank all my Igbo brothers and sisters that defend their culture and believes every day from all the Igbo haters on here ( I'm not going to metion names cause the know themselfs.) I've read so many threads about the Igbos......OMG, if you're not from Nigeria you'll think we from space or something. Never the less, thank you so much for standing up for your people. You guys make me proud to be an Igbo man.
God bless the Igbo land and it's people.
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Seun (m)
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Can you differentiate between "Biafra" and "Igbo". I think you are confusing the two unrelated terms. I have a lot of Ibo friends who don't know what "Biafra" means and do not care about it. Let me tell you what Biafra means: 1 million Ibos dead, while their military dictator ("leader" Ojukwu) gets to marry a beauty queen and live happily ever after.
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ZuluNation (m)
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I'm sorry Seun, the word Biafra will always stick with us Igbos I don't care what anyone says and those Friends of yours that don't know what "Biafra" means and don't care about.God bless them too. I'm sure one day they'll know the truth.
You can call Ojukwu a dictator, the man is a HERO in my books and I'll always give him my respect after all he was one of the only few that would stand up for his people and please lets not forget all the brave men, women, and children that lost their lives for me. God bless their souls.
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Seun (m)
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And why was Ojukwu not brave enough to die along with the millions of people whose lives he risked in order to create a country he could rule and loot freely without having to give the northern and western leaders their own share? Why didn't he sacrifice some of his children for his vain and self-serving cause?
You people are just alowing your cunning leaders to shit on you and go scotch-free while you end up suffering and blaming it on the Yorubas and Hausas. Open your eyes, people. Don't be decieved by men who claim to fight for you whereas they are only fighting for themselves. Don't make heroes out of evil geniuses.
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Txlonghorn (m)
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You people are just alowing your cunning leaders to rubbish on you and go scotch-free while you end up suffering and blaming it on the Yorubas and Hausas. Open your eyes, people. Don't be decieved by men who claim to fight for you whereas they are only fighting for themselves. Don't make heroes out of evil geniuses. Let's see humm, the so called cunnining leaders we've had in Nigeria for so many years have been YORUBAS AND HAUSAS, so who needs to open his eyes here. |
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africanboy (m)
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Zulu - South African Name
ZuluNation - Non Nigerian Location
Would ove to know when last you were in Nigeria, and how you are so sure Ibos here want Biafra?
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Seun (m)
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Yoruba and Hausa leaders did not initiate courses of action that would lead to the death of millions of their own people. The Yoruba and Hausa leaders did not stubbornly hold on to pride while million of their people were dying of hunger. That is what I was saying.
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adexway (m)
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Pals,
We are bound to have varied opinion but the extent to which you can defend your stand will decide if you are thinking on the objectively. From my understanding, about the supposed 'BIAFRA' as related to the Igbos, one thing is clear, you hardly have a leader die at war. Iraq was invaded by the warlord - George Bush and yet Bush lives on. Seun, will you say there aren't any American soldier who deid in the process? That is what obtains in life.
To be objective, I think a man like Ojukwu will always be celebrated. To lead a revolution is not that easy. And if he did influenced his people to yield a clarion call of the emacipation of a Biafrian state, then its worth celebration. The quest for a Biafrian state was almost achieved but for Awolowo intellectual ability in keeping Nigeria as a unified state.
Remember, if you lost men in the battle it doesn't implies you also have to die as the leader. Obasanjo return from war and wrote the book 'My Command'. It is only those who survive the gory tales of war that live to tell the story. You just need to understand this. How often do we remember the likes of Muritala Mohammed today? Even when we enter the Lagos Airport. His memory is just nomimal.
Coming to the generation of ours, fellas, there is a need to have 'an Ojukwu' within us. There is a need to wrestle power from the hands of all these traunts that parade themselves as leaders. If you remember george Orwell's Animal Farm, then you can have a cue of what I mean. There is a need for us all to stand and fight these oppressors lest they turn our country to what obtain in Mobutu's Zaria.
All these rulers are bad. They are turning the country into a family affairs. Pardon me to say, Abebe/Obasanjo Family affairs.
Those calling for a Biafrian state are justified because the country isn't treating them as deserved. I'm a typical Yoruba man but I'm in support of the call and will always be. We pray God grant us a sovereign Biafrian state.
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Seun (m)
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You are saying that our current leaders are bad, but do you really think that if Biafra succeeds in breaking away by force your leaders will be any better? All they are looking for is how to share the oil windfall among themselves without having to leave some for the northerners and westerners.
About the issue of Ojukwu surviving the war and settling down in marriage with a delectable damsel over the buried bones of the people he led into war. If Ojukwu had told them that the struggle will be such that millions of them will die in the process and asked for a vote, do you think he would have won the mandate to move forward with the plan? Do you think the lives of those who died are not as important as Ojukwu's life? Do you look at your fellow Ibo men as mere pawns for generals to use in their battles for supremacy? Come on.
Ibos are suffering. yorubas are suffering. hausas are suffering. Everybody is suffering. Let us look for ways to be productive instead of wasting time fighting each other because some "leaders" want to waste our lives in order to acquire more power for themselves. Do you think the Niger Deltans will want a part in your Biafra when they can have all the oil to themselves? Are you going to continue dividing the nation until we have one natin-state for each village?
The Ibo leaders are complaining because they haven't gotten their own share of the natinal loot. That's all. Do you think they care about the masses? Would you like your life to be wasted in a war only for the general to run away and come down to settle down with a young beauty queen and live as if his actions were not responsible for millions of deaths?
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gbade. x (m)
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To be objective, I think a man like Ojukwu will always be celebrated. To lead a revolution is not that easy. And if he did influenced his people to yield a clarion call of the emacipation of a Biafrian state, then its worth celebration.
and exactly why should Ojukwu be celebrated? beacause he led a revolution that left millions of Igbos dead. a revolution in which, when defeated fled with his beautiful wife? a revolution in which he called for a state of anarchy, so to speak? i believe this revolution had other motives other than the emancipiation of IGBOS and not BIAFRA. From my understanding, about the supposed 'BIAFRA' as related to the Igbos, one thing is clear, you hardly have a leader die at war. Iraq was invaded by the warlord - George Bush and yet Bush lives on. Seun, will you say there aren't any American soldier who deid in the process? That is what obtains in life.
the call and will always be. We pray God grant us a sovereign Biafrian state.
exactly. the same old trick. old men sit and home and issue orders, while millions and millions of young men go to the warfront and die. and i hope you know George Bush didn't invade Iraq for the emancipiation of America. he had ulterior motives. and bringing the Iraqi war into focus, exactly how much victory has the bush administration gained by sending troop after troop to die? Pals,
Remember, if you lost men in the battle it doesn't implies you also have to die as the leader. Obasanjo return from war and wrote the book 'My Command'. It is only those who survive the gory tales of war that live to tell the story.
only those who survive? Ojukwu did not even go into the war itself!!!!!!!! he only issued orders while his fellow tribal folks were getting killed on the warfront. if i get you correct you said he influenced his fellow igbos into going to war. that is what he did. Coming to the generation of ours, fellas, there is a need to have 'an Ojukwu' within us. There is a need to wrestle power from the hands of all these traunts that parade themselves as leaders. If you remember george Orwell's Animal Farm, then you can have a cue of what I mean. All these rulers are bad. They are turning the country into a family affairs. Pardon me to say, Abebe/Obasanjo Family affairs.
Those calling for a Biafrian state are justified because the country isn't treating them as deserved. I'm a typical Yoruba man but I'm in support of the call and will always be. We pray God grant us a sovereign Biafrian state.
true, we need a 'saviour' to come rescue us from the hands of tyrants but not one who preaches through violence!!!!!! if y'all have read 'animal farm', you'D recall that it was the same Napoleon who fought alongside the animals that eventually became a dictator, favouring his 'kind'. and those calling for calling for a Biafran state are not justified because they are also calling for the spliiting up of a sovereign state (Nigeria). Exactly how is the country not treating them right? what, are you trying to tell me the government doesn't allocate what is due them? it is the leaders of Igbo people that should be confronted. come to lagos and see the number of Igbo traders trooping into the state. can't the governors of these states be questioned if there is lack of social amenities and resourcces in the state, after being allocated some millions of naira? i believe it is time Igbos and generally the Nigerian people alike stop blaming and accusing government for all their woes. rather, they should look inwardly or internally and slove their problems that way |
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vichel (m)
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I don't know when u guys will realize that Biafra is gone, and will never come back, you guys are just trying to make things worse. I am Ibo, but i spit against Biafra. Even if Biafra succeds today, and have a country of their own, i would not be a part of it, and i shall remain NIgerian till the day God calls me. I dson't care what anybody on this forum thinks, it's my opinion. First of all the Igbos are not minority, and ofcourse we haven't been playing a big role in the running of the country like the other two Majority brothers, but i must ask whom of worthy Capability has risen up from the Igbo community and want to serve our beloved country for the well being of it's people? None absolutely Nobody. I am not saying the Housa and Yoruba are better, but Nigerian politicians are lousy liars and crooks. This is just a ploy by a few the disrupt the country's progress, and i blame the people who associate themselves with Biafra nonsense. Talking of being left out, how do u think other Nigerians feel. if u guys have forgotten, THe Igbos, Hausas and Yorubas are not the only people classified as NIGERIANS. SO instead of wasting precious energy talking about Biafra, why don't we use it to FIGHT CORRUPTION in NIGERIA.  |
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wildcat (f)
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amen Vichel
I love my Igbo,Yoruba,Hausa,Efik,Edo and every other ethnic group.
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ZuluNation (m)
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@ Seun
No body wants war or praying for one, wars can bring a nation to it's brink of distruction. I was not born when the Biafra war was going on so I was not there to experience the distruction and suffering of my beloved Igbo people. I've spent most of my adult life here in the States so I'm not in the position to argue about Nigerian politics with most people on here. But I've read a pretty good number of book, and I still have family in Nigeria so I see what the Igbos are going through.
Most people would call Ojukwu a dictator, but he was the only few with balls that would stand up to the almighty Nigerian government, and lets not forget he was only in his early 30's when all this was going on. And yes he fled for his life just about when the war was over. I don't know why he did that, you have to ask him that. Hundreds of brave solders lost there lives, not for Ojukwu but for their culture and rights as Human beings not like animals the Hausa and Fulani people can just kill because they not Muslims.
And yes we lost the battle but we've not lost the war. And if tomorrow I'm called upon to defend my people from all the mess that's going on now, I'll be on the front lines *believe that* God bless the Igbo people.
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bsexy (f)
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When American soldiers talk about wars theyve bin in they don't emphasize the bad points. adexway was soo right, so many english (where i live) soldiers r dying but tony blair isnt dead so many american soldiers are dead but bush aint. Every igbo will always have the pride that their tribe had the courage to stand up to the rest of the country, most people now don't agree wit whats happening to our country do they e.g. think of those people who've kidnapped thoses oil workers the oil leaks killing their animals, children and ruinig their house what do our so cunning leaders do about. JACK SHIT!. The reason why igbos arent ever leaders in this country is because they are generally the smartest and everyone knows that if they came into power theyd take over the whole of nigeria. As an igbo i can say whole heartedly that no matter how many igbos died in biafra at least my pride can stand up for what they think is wrong.
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mochafella (m)
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@ ZuluNation,
let me see if I can put this in context you can understand. If you listen to people in the US speak in private about "white trash, blacks, jews, latinos, native americans, gays" you would be surprised. There will always be immature, uncouth people who beleive they can run their mouth and say what they like. Get used to it especially since you are in the US. The fact that some people on Nairaland speak about IBOs in discriminatory terms does not constitute a reason for secession, if the policy(s) of the Nation-state "Nigeria" are not discriminatory then truly I beleive there is no reason for Secession. Do you think that IBOs do not discriminate against other people. Have you yourself never thougt or uttered a discriminatory comment about someoneelse. If you haven't then you must be the messiah returned. Every human discriminates like it or not. It is your measure of control that is more important.
I am not defending anybodyelse's comments, but Please do not use the excuse that some people on nairaland discriminate against IBOs as a reason to evoke Biafra. Nigeria's laws as far as I know do not discriminate against IBOs.
If you believe IBOs and their interests are being looked down upon then the solution is simple. Take power, by election and rule. Running away and secedeing will not solve the problem. it will only fester.
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ghettochyk (f)
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Zulu - South African Name
ZuluNation - Non Nigerian Location
Would ove to know when last you were in Nigeria, and how you are so sure Ibos here want Biafra?
umm, i'm pretty sure Zulu is a nigerian/igbo name, africanboy. i think it's short for some longer name. anyways, it my cousin's friends' names when i went nigeria. |
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WesleyanA (f)
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Zulu - South African Name
ZuluNation - Non Nigerian Location
hahahahhaha roflmao. yeah ZuluNation, are you zulu or igbo?  and, when i say igbo's don't have as much ethnic pride, i get yelled @. it's all good though. You've got to represent!! To my surprise, it seems like we the minority on Nairaland and always looked down on. which can be so annoying sometimes, but I just want to thank all my Igbo brothers and sisters that defend their culture and believes every day from all the Igbo haters on here ( I'm not going to metion names cause the know themselfs.) I've read so many threads about the Igbos.OMG, if you're not from Nigeria you'll think we from space or something. Never the less, thank you so much for standing up for your people. You guys make me proud to be an Igbo man.
God bless the Igbo land and it's people.
when did igbo's become a minority? Igbo, Hausa and Yoruba are the three major tribes in Nigeria. But on this site Nairaland, i'll say Igbo and Yoruba are the two major tribes. you only have to start acting like it. YOU ONLY NEED TO LET YOURSELVES BE HEARD (through language e.t.c) and stop acting like you're some 5 out of 100 minority being treated like garbage. ghettochyk, virozuru, vichel, rilla and you (although your name says zulunation ) are like the only people on this site repping the igbos. where are the rest. maybe if they come out, you wouldn't feel like a minority (you aren't!!) and hate the Yorubas (we're just doing our thing). It's funny how when you guys take the offensive against us, we don't complain or fight back because we're confident and sure of ourselves. IGBO KWENU!! [size=8pt] and please take that Biafra thing out of the question? I can't see if you're not proud of being Nigerian. I am  |
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WesleyanA (f)
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I don't know when u guys will realize that Biafra is gone, and will never come back, you guys are just trying to make things worse. I am Ibo, but i spit against Biafra. Even if Biafra succeds today, and have a country of their own, i would not be a part of it, and i shall remain NIgerian till the day God calls me. I dson't care what anybody on this forum thinks, it's my opinion. First of all the Igbos are not minority, and ofcourse we haven't been playing a big role in the running of the country like the other two Majority brothers, but i must ask whom of worthy Capability has risen up from the Igbo community and want to serve our beloved country for the well being of it's people? None absolutely Nobody. I am not saying the Housa and Yoruba are better, but Nigerian politicians are lousy liars and crooks. This is just a ploy by a few the disrupt the country's progress, and i blame the people who associate themselves with Biafra nonsense. Talking of being left out, how do u think other Nigerians feel. if u guys have forgotten, THe Igbos, Hausas and Yorubas are not the only people classified as NIGERIANS. SO instead of wasting precious energy talking about Biafra, why don't we use it to FIGHT CORRUPTION in NIGERIA. Zulu badly you need to read Vichel's post!!!! One Nigeria should be the point!! I'm not saying this is true but with all this biafra (divide nigeria) talk going on, what yoruba, hausa or any Nationalist will want an Igbo president? most Igbo's into politics are separatist. if you call yourself minority, what do you call the Efik, Urhobo and the true minorities?? |
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ghettochyk (f)
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i ain't got time to take no offense against nobody. i ain't come on the internet to get in know typed fights. i ain't time 4 this. whatever ethnic crap going on in nigeria has nuthin to do with me. whatever goes on in that country has nuthin to do with me, but i ain't about to sit here and watch my mom's peoples get dissed. ain't nobody fighting you. and sure of myself boo.
i got no time 4 drama. got too many going on in reality, i don't need no cyberspace drama, especially from people who can't make any political difference. whatever they decide to do with nigeria and biafra has nuthin to do with me. i know i'm still AFRICAN-american, whether it's biafra or nigeria.
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WesleyanA (f)
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i ain't got time to take no offense against nobody. i ain't come on the internet to get in know typed fights. i ain't time 4 this. whatever ethnic crap going on in nigeria has nuthin to do with me. whatever goes on in that country has nuthin to do with me, but i ain't about to sit here and watch my mom's peoples get dissed. ain't nobody fighting you. and sure of myself boo.
I won't stop emphasizing PATRIOTISIM!!! If you're nigerian, whatever goes on in the country certainly has a lot to do with you. most Yoruba's won't say "nigeria has nothing to do with me". And i'm sure any true Nigerian won't say that either. are you advocating Biafra too? |
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ghettochyk (f)
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you can have all the yoruba pride in the world. good for you. i am also a very patriotic person, but that's besides the point. but i know you ain't the one to tell me my nationality, since you really don't know me like that,.... still besides the point....., i never told you whether i am a true nigerian or not. but it don't really matter since i still need a visa to enter nigeria, right? i guess you know everything there is to know about a true nigerian. are you advocating Biafra too?
i guess this seems to be a very personal problem to you. i'm truely, and i repeat, truely sorry about that. |
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Scorpio (f)
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this thread is hilarious, i swear..lmao!
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WesleyanA (f)
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you don't have to tell someone you're a true Nigeria before the other person could figure out. It kind of shows alll over you. so no, you don't need to tell me. it has nothing to do w/ visa either. You didn't answer my question. are you pro-biafra? You don't have to answer if it's personal. |
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ZuluNation (m)
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@wesleyan, Zulu is the last four letters of my last name see honey you don't know every thing. Believe it or not honey I've been waiting so long for you to show up to this thread I know how much you *love*and admire the Igbos, I've read alot of your post,I may be young but I'm not stupid.
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WesleyanA (f)
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my bad. ZuluNation (Lol.) just never heard of any nigerian name or location being "Zulu." South Africa just comes to mind. especially when it also says NATION and also, the proper word/term should be "I love and admire Nigeria"  you are obviously a pro-biafran therefore a sort of seperatist if i'm right. What's your point really. Your post is full of sarcasm. . .I may be young but i'm not that stupid either. since you've "been waiting for so long" why not just let us get this conversation started?!  |
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gbade. x (m)
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what does it matter? black, white red, green, yellow, grey, indian, european, yoruba, igbo, hausa, ibibio, ijaw, fulani, and other groups. we all are humans and that's what counts!! i don't suppor biafra, but i love the igbos. and i don't acknowledge any bullsh*t that igbos are discriminated against in this site or anywhere else!!!! WE ALL ARE HUMANS AND NIGERIA. GOD BLESS NIGERIA!!!!!!!!
(heck, my best friend in primary school was an igbo. same thing as secondary school)
PERIOD
END OF STORY
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adexway (m)
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Let me ask those proponents of dialogue as oppose to BIAFRA if dialogue works. Haven't there in time, been various wasteful and useless seatings over boiling issueswithout dividends. Where is the implementation of the Sovereign National Congress held in Abuja? Don't be deceived when our Government calls for dialogue. They always have a joker called dialogue.
As a matter of fact lets learn to take the bull by the horn. Lets learn to take them up. Lets learn to show then that at times like this, our patience is being exhausted. What became of the seating of the Apo six killing? What became of Oputa Pannel? What became of all the round table meetings we've heard about? The gospel truth is nothing. Money is expended on fruitless gathering, seminars, workshops, I beg!
People who are summoned for this and that by that and this committees, now and then failed to yield such calls yet for an umpteenth time we call for round table seatings. I'm sorry we have better things to think of. If we continue to depend on dialogue it will continue to be a sorry case. Just too sorry.
I think FELA will have made many albums from the unyielding deceptful seatings we embark upon each time. Adams (NLC leader) will keep seating with those rouges, to ensure that oil price is brought down to its former price but to no avail. Some inches higher than the former price will be the resolve of their so called dialogue.
For God's sake. A yoruba man will harvest his farm produce and sell it at will with no one to challenge him. The hausas will sell their cattles and no one challenges. But the Igbo's oil? No way it's the country's wealth. What a nation. The reason for a Biafrian nation is because of these problems, these ills and unjustice this people are suffering, nothing else. Give them a better life and they won't cry foul. Let them enjoy their wealth and minerals and derive satisfaction from their God given resources.
Brothers (seun, gbade and those opposed to Biafria, Live and lets live.
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vichel (m)
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Igbos being descriminated against on Nairaland? where ? *looks around*, *slaps the monitor*, well is it just me or i can't seem to find it. Puh leez descrimination ha ha. Let's forget about irrelevant issues, and focus on solving the problems of NIGERIA, not igbo, housa, yoruba, but Nigerians as a country. I Love u guys
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mochafella (m)
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For God's sake. A yoruba man will harvest his farm produce and sell it at will with no one to challenge him. The hausas will sell their cattles and no one challenges. But the Igbo's oil? No way it's the country's wealth. What a nation.
Adexway, you are wrong there. What happens to the gypsum, coal, gold, bitumen, iron ore and other natural resources mined in other parts of the country. They belong to the nation, unfair as it seems. The farm products and cattle you refer to are all the products of someones handiwork. Oil, Gas, Gold, Coal, Iron Ore e.t.c are all naturally occuring minerals. The do not need a human to produce/create/farm them. A fairer comparison would have being the palm oil, yam, cassava .e.t.c produced by the Igbo's. Thus your implied assertion that the Nation's policies are discriminatory is wrong. Like I said earlier. If you want to correct the perceived non-representation of the Igbo's ideals, take power through an election. Calls for a secession will get you nowhere. Stand up to your problem and face it. Running away and secedding will only let it fester. |
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ababoy1 (m)
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@seun
With regards to your regrettable remarks about Ojukwu, cunning leaders and the other drivel. I think it is valuable that you stock yourself with more knowledge (about Biafra) before you make such eccentric comments.
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hot-angel (f)
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this thread is hilarious, i swear..lmao!
Ditto to that. Fxcking Nigerian screaming on top of their voices again. buhahaha.. Seriously, whatever the fxck happened to United we stand, divided we fall. Igbo men claim that yoruba people are racist (at least on this forum).. but they are actually the ones starting the discrimination.. before you know what's happening, they twist it on the yorubas. tsk tsk. |
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Seun (m)
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With regards to your regrettable remarks about Ojukwu, cunning leaders and the other drivel. I think it is valuable that you stock yourself with more knowledge (about Biafra) before you make such eccentric comments. Why don't you educate me since you are more knowledgeable. How old were you during the war? Did you actually experience it or are you just spouting tribalistic sentiments? |
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