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ghettochyk (f)
Re: God Bless Biafra.
« #32 on: February 04, 2006, 01:17 AM »

Quote from: ZuluNation on February 03, 2006, 06:42 AM
@wesleyan, Zulu is the last four letters of my last name see honey you don't know every thing. Believe it or not honey I've been waiting so long  for you to show up to this thread I know how much you *love*and admire the Igbos, I've read alot of your post,I may be young but I'm not stupid.



wow, i didn't think i was right.  Smiley
@ weslyana, i have no take on biafra, like i said, it doesn't bother me much since i'm all the way over hear. Wink
allonym
Re: God Bless Biafra.
« #33 on: February 04, 2006, 03:09 AM »

If someone really wants to learn more, there is this site: www.biafraland.com

their navigation scheme is weird, but trust me, all the pages are actually there.  Of course, the site's creators are biased, however, some of their resources are independent (to the point of not being nigerian in orgin).

I don't think at this point, anyone can talk about the relative leaderworthiness of anyone at that time.  There is so much about what went on that we DONT know.  However, there is much that we do.  The climate of nigeria at that time was deadly for Igbos.  It it not too hard to see why things ended up the way they are.

Given the long memories of nigerians, (many of whom were alive during that time), one cannot quite put aside their emotions.  I wouldn't expect a newly freed slave in 1860's USA to have had much trust for whites. . . neither would I expect that person's views to have changed much 30+ years later.

And perhaps, maybe some people love Nigeria soooo much, they want to have two of her.
EvilSlayer (m)
Re: God Bless Biafra.
« #34 on: February 04, 2006, 03:34 AM »

Quote from: allonym on February 04, 2006, 03:09 AM
If someone really wants to learn more, there is this site: www.biafraland.com

their navigation scheme is weird, but trust me, all the pages are actually there. Of course, the site's creators are biased, however, some of their resources are independent (to the point of not being nigerian in orgin).

I don't think at this point, anyone can talk about the relative leaderworthiness of anyone at that time. There is so much about what went on that we DONT know. However, there is much that we do. The climate of nigeria at that time was deadly for Igbos. It it not too hard to see why things ended up the way they are.

Given the long memories of nigerians, (many of whom were alive during that time), one cannot quite put aside their emotions. I wouldn't expect a newly freed slave in 1860's USA to have had much trust for whites. . . neither would I expect that person's views to have changed much 30+ years later.

And perhaps, maybe some people love Nigeria soooo much, they want to have two of her.

WOW............Oh my God, I'm still checking out the web site with tears in my eye, this is so freaking SAD. I'm  so speechless at the moment, this is just insane.
ghettochyk (f)
Re: God Bless Biafra.
« #35 on: February 04, 2006, 03:38 AM »

the biafra flag is soo pretty!! Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy their money is too.  Cheesy i love the  nigerian money too, especially the one with the farmers on the back....is it N40 or N20? i don't know!
dblock (m)
Re: God Bless Biafra.
« #36 on: February 04, 2006, 03:47 AM »

Holy smokes I don cry peace Igbo peace yoruba peace hausa and any tribe i forgot peace. Stay together naija you can do it Cool Cool Cool
EvilSlayer (m)
Re: God Bless Biafra.
« #37 on: February 04, 2006, 03:48 AM »

I love the way the Nigerian music come on when you  enter the the site. They even have a National anthem this is so cool, Man I can't wait for my parents to get back from work so I can show this to them. Cry Cry
dblock (m)
Re: God Bless Biafra.
« #38 on: February 04, 2006, 03:53 AM »

If naija go fall let all tribes fall as one if igbo wrongs yoruba let yoruba pray for igbo if yoruba wrongs igbo let igbo pray for yoruba, if hausa wrongs igbo let igbo pray for hausa, if igbo wrongs hausa let hausa pray for igbo and so on peace. I believe igbos think biafra as history it's the older generations that stil have a problem. When I was in nigeria 70% of my friends were igbos I simply don't think tribe i think country
vichel (m)
Re: God Bless Biafra.
« #39 on: February 04, 2006, 07:51 AM »

Anybody who regards Ojukwu as a leader should be checked by a doctor. Anyman who would put the lives of Millions in danger just to pursue a useless cause, should not be let out of a psychiatric ward. Let me ask this question to everybody, when an Igbo man who thinks he has been mistreated by other Nigerians becomes president tomorrow, would he work for the well being of Nigerians, or try to regain lost years of his tribe not being in power?. This is one of the problems of Nigerian politics today, instead of voting for the right man or woman, we indeed vote for incompetent fools, just because they are from our tribes. Hmmmm what a pity Tongue
ababoy1 (m)
Re: God Bless Biafra.
« #40 on: February 04, 2006, 04:15 PM »

This is for those who are prepared to make an endeavour to grasp a little bit about Biafra, and the issue that led to the Nigerian civil war.

http://emeagwali.com/photos/biafra/photo-essay-on-biafra.html
http://www.usafricaonline.com/ojukwuchido.html
http://www.biafraland.com/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/africa/newsid_589000/589221.stm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biafra
http://www.usafricaonline.com/Apology.html
http://www.usafricaonline.com/BiafraWar.html
http://kwenu.com/biafra/biafra.htm
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/war/biafra.htm
http://www.blackscorpion.org/excerpt.html
http://www.biafraland.com/genocide_in_biafra_speech.htm
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Feb05/Ekwe-Ekwe0226.htm
http://www.camwood.org/biafra.htm
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/34a/053.html
http://prisonersoverseas.com/?page_id=41
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/589221.stm


Books

The Biafra Story: The Making of an African Legend 
Frederick Forsyth

Shadows: Airlift and Airwar in Biafra and Nigeria 1967-1970 
Frederick Forsythe (Foreword), Michael I. Draper

American Policy and African Famine: Nigeria-Biafra War, 1966-70 (Contributions in Afro-American & African Studies) 
Joseph E. Thompson

Sunset in Biafra (African Writers S.) 
Elechi Amadi

Biafra: Britain's Shame 
Auberon Waugh, Suzanne Cronje

The Making of a Nation: Biafra 
Arthur Agwuncha Nwankwo, Samuel Udochukwu Ifejika

Nigeria: Challenge of Biafra 
Arthur A. Nwankwo

This is by no means a compete list


For the few who are incapable of hiding their narrow-mindedness, you are free to carry on in your petty ways, just know that you get as good as you give...
Seun (m)
Re: God Bless Biafra.
« #41 on: February 05, 2006, 05:47 AM »

Nonsense.  Why don't you explain it in your own words?  How do we know that you have read all those books and websites you are asking us to waste our time reading?  Go sit down. 

Up Igboland and Ibos, down Biafra.  That is my song.  Ojukwu a hero?  You must be joking.
ababoy1 (m)
Re: God Bless Biafra.
« #42 on: February 05, 2006, 08:48 AM »

@Seun
Your folly is quite unbelievable. Explain the Biafran war in words? Do you think the Biafran war was a 2 hour movie clip?

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How do we know that you have read all those books and websites you are asking us to waste our time reading?  Go sit down

In any conversation, the instant we feel anger, we have already ceased striving for truth and have begun striving for ourselves and our hare-brained opinions.






mochafella (m)
Re: God Bless Biafra.
« #43 on: February 05, 2006, 09:13 AM »

@ Ababoy1

I believe Seun is simply asking for your summary of the war, its causes and effects. I.e. your analysis based on your interpretation of the links you posted above. Of course your summary may not, in fact will not do complete justice to the war, but the key points and intrigues will be evident.

If more complex events than the Biafran war can be summarised, there is no reason why you cannot provide one.
ZuluNation (m)
Re: God Bless Biafra.
« #44 on: February 05, 2006, 09:48 AM »

@ Ababoy and Allonym

Thank you so much for your suggested readings and websites I'll check em' all out. I listen to the Biafran news the have on the Biafranation website, and man these guys are for real. I see why Seun and all his So called Igbo friends are shaking in their boots every time the word Biafra comes up.

I was in Jos Plateau State a few years ago cause I still have some extended family members out there, and I saw for my own naked eyes what the stupid God for saken Hausa goats did the the Igbo business, words can't even distripe the distruction. And  you want me to sit around a camp fire and hold hands with a Hausa man. The can all get hit by lighting and die for all I care. I better stop, all the shit make me just want to......... Lips sealed Lips sealed
ZuluNation (m)
Re: God Bless Biafra.
« #45 on: February 05, 2006, 09:49 AM »

@ Ababoy and Allonym

Thank you so much for your suggested readings and websites I'll check em' all out. I listen to the Biafran news the have on the Biafranation website, and man these guys are for real. I see why Seun and all his So called Igbo friends are shaking in their boots every time the word Biafra comes up.

I was in Jos Plateau State a few years ago cause I still have some extended family members out there, and I saw for my own naked eyes what the stupid God for saken Hausa goats did the the Igbo business, words can't even distripe the distruction. And  you want me to sit around a camp fire and hold hands with a Hausa man. The can all get hit by lighting and die for all I care. I better stop, all the shit make me just want to......... Lips sealed Lips sealed
Seun (m)
Re: God Bless Biafra.
« #46 on: February 05, 2006, 04:54 PM »

Apology: My use of the phrase "go sit down" was harsh, offensive and unecessary.

But, yes, I would like Ababoy to give us a summary of the relevant events that took place during the war.  In his own words.  Thanks.
adexway (m)
Re: God Bless Biafra.
« #47 on: February 06, 2006, 09:00 AM »



               mochafella, Do elections work in Nigeria? Undecided
mochafella (m)
Re: God Bless Biafra.
« #48 on: February 06, 2006, 10:14 AM »

Quote from: adexway on February 06, 2006, 09:00 AM

               mochafella, Do elections work in Nigeria? Undecided

Very valid question, but in all sincerity, there is no viable alternative. I'll say try, try and try again. What we currently have in Nigeria is a discrimination of the ruling/political class against the common Nigerian regardless of what some will have you believe, that it is tribal discrimimnation. Politicians only play the tribal card when they need votes or want money for their coffers. Its the same reason the Northern governors played the Sharia card, they needed a campaign message.

The need to face and eliminate the cancer of non-accountability is why I am against a secession. The same issues will plague whatever "child" states result, because the same political class we have now will not change their stripes except the populace demands it from them.
otitoloju (m)
Re: God Bless Biafra.
« #49 on: February 07, 2006, 05:23 PM »

There is usually an attempt to romanticize something like the Biafran war because of the proximity of the populace to valiant attempts made against all odds. some Americans (especially from the deep south) still have fond tales of the american civil war whcih took place over 100yrs ago.
It's only just feelings my brother. It will not happen again by distributing fake biafran pounds or flying biafran flags; no it wont.
It will take an armed struggle of which no winner will emerge. Cry
Thermalu (m)
Re: God Bless Biafra.
« #50 on: February 09, 2006, 11:50 PM »

" Ojukwu did not even go into the war itself!!!!!!!! he only issued orders while his fellow tribal folks were getting killed on the warfront. "


    gbade-------How do you know that Ojukwu did not go into war? Where you in any war theater? Ojukwu was in the theater more times than Gowon. When he is in any theater, he commanded from the front line. I happen to be one of thousands Biafran soldiers he commanded on two occasions. He is a great Army General.
Thermalu (m)
Re: God Bless Biafra.
« #51 on: February 09, 2006, 11:53 PM »

" Ojukwu did not even go into the war itself!!!!!!!! he only issued orders while his fellow tribal folks were getting killed on the warfront. "


   gbade-------How do you know that Ojukwu did not go into war? Where you in any war theater? Ojukwu was in the theater more times than Gowon. When he is in any theater, he commanded from the front line. I happen to be one of thousands of Biafran soldiers he commanded on two occasions. He is a great Army General.
Seun (m)
Re: God Bless Biafra.
« #52 on: February 10, 2006, 12:10 AM »

Perhaps he was a great Army General, because sending young men to their possible deaths is what all generals do.  But as a person, he is not great. 

Thermalu, thank God you are still alive.  Would you like to sacrifice your children again for this cause?  Would you like to uproot the Ibos who are living in Lagos or Kaduna and elsewhere and expose them to the threat of reprisals just because some "great" Army generals and corrupt politicians want to secure a larger piece of the "national cake" for themselves?
WesleyanA (f)
Re: God Bless Biafra.
« #53 on: February 10, 2006, 12:23 AM »

Quote from: ZuluNation on February 05, 2006, 09:49 AM
@ Ababoy and Allonym

Thank you so much for your suggested readings and websites I'll check em' all out. I listen to the Biafran news the have on the Biafranation website, and man these guys are for real. I see why Seun and all his So called Igbo friends are shaking in their boots every time the word Biafra comes up.

I was in Jos Plateau State a few years ago cause I still have some extended family members out there, and I saw for my own naked eyes what the stupid God for saken Hausa goats did the the Igbo business, words can't even distripe the distruction. And  you want me to sit around a camp fire and hold hands with a Hausa man. The can all get hit by lighting and die for all I care. I better stop, all the rubbish make me just want to......... Lips sealed Lips sealed

Great. I can understand where your coming from now when you say you want Biafra. Lips sealed Lips sealed

have you ever considered the fact that if (i doubt) Biafra is created, after a year or maybe not even, the nation might be divided up again tribally. let's say cross river igbos against Enugu igbos. you know what i mean?

my point is: Advocating for Biafra just because you can't stand or hate the other two major tribes doesn't really affect anything because when Biafra is formed, so will new tribes within the new nation be formed and it's going to start over again.

Personal interest/gain is also one of the reasons some people want Biafra even though i might be wrong.

vichel (m)
Re: God Bless Biafra.
« #54 on: February 10, 2006, 05:19 PM »

And the name doesn't even sound good. Can u imagine going out and say i am Biafran Tongue Tongue, it sounds like something taken from the bush people.
allonym
Re: God Bless Biafra.
« #55 on: February 11, 2006, 07:53 AM »

Quote from: vichel on February 10, 2006, 05:19 PM
And the name doesn't even sound good. Can u imagine going out and say i am Biafran Tongue Tongue, it sounds like something taken from the bush people.

To be honest, I don't see anything wrong with the way it sounds.

I am not going to participate in criticizing either side.  Actually, I feel that both Gowon's and Ojukwu's response was inevitable.  Ojukwu was one of the few surviving Generals after successful and botched coups where most of the survivors happened to be Igbos.  This triggered widespread persecution (involving killings) of Igbo's especially in the north.  Many thus fled to their "fatherland".   What I've just said isn't a matter of opinion.  These are factsunless of course you don't believe itlike the Iranian president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who is insistent that the holocaust is a fabrication of zionists.  (He also claims that Zionists, Israel and the USA were significantly involved in creating the Danish cartoons which have sparked such contreversy - but he is another topic unto itself).

So, this is a very partial description of the situation that both men where thrown into.  I don't think other than people who were close to or the men themselves, noone can really say why they continued to polarize away from each other.  Certainly the domestic situation each faced was different enough that it would already create problems in terms of what each would individually see as the next step for Nigeria.  Also, both had their primary obligation to separate (and agitating) parts of Nigeria.

. . .

There is more I want to say, but I need to goto sleep.  Basically, I'm saying that I don't think anyone can really make critical statements about either men, at least not without some token disclaimer acknowledging that both sides did somethings right and wrong, and the possibility that both men (at some point) were motivated by altruistic sentiments.
allonym
Re: God Bless Biafra.
« #56 on: February 11, 2006, 07:57 AM »

Quote from: allonym on February 11, 2006, 07:53 AM
These are factsunless of course you don't believe itlike the Iranian president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who is insistent that the holocaust is a fabrication of zionists. (He also claims that Zionists, Israel and the USA were significantly involved in creating the Danish cartoons which have sparked such contreversy - but he is another topic unto itself).

I just want to say that I read the iranian (government sponsored) news site which summarizes stuff that Ahmadinejad has said, done, etc - like any government's website.  Of course, like all others, there are baises built in, though if you read the stuff on the US gov's website, especially when they post transcripts of speeches he has given, it shows that no matter how you try to sugarcoat things, some forms of ignorance are too hard to hide.  But in any case, I was not issuing a blanket condemnation of Ahmadinejad.  Perhaps there is more of a political, rather than personal, though to my thinking, it is still very harmful, reason, as to why he's claiming that the holocaust was a hoax.
africanboy (m)
Re: God Bless Biafra.
« #57 on: February 22, 2006, 04:46 PM »

Do I see a Frontpage Wizard website? Guess yes.

No true web designer in Biafra? Hire 1 from Nigeria. Please pay him in Naira!
Txlonghorn (m)
Re: God Bless Biafra.
« #58 on: February 25, 2006, 02:43 AM »

I hope MASSOB is playing a big role in retaliations of the killing of our fellow Igbo brothers and sisters in the North,This would be a good time for MASSOB to send their massage of a NEW BIAFRA.

God bless my homeland Biafra.
ababoy1 (m)
Re: God Bless Biafra.
« #59 on: March 05, 2006, 04:38 PM »

@Africanboy

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No true web designer in Biafra? Hire 1 from Nigeria. Please pay him in Naira!

How funny, Ever considered a vocation as a comedian?



biggjoe (m)
Re: God Bless Biafra.
« #60 on: March 22, 2006, 12:03 PM »

From SEUN:
Yoruba and Hausa leaders did not initiate courses of action that would lead to the death of millions of their own people.  The Yoruba and Hausa leaders did not stubbornly hold on to pride while million of their people were dying of hunger.   That is what I was saying.

This simply shows that Seun is either ignorant of the real cause of the civil war or he's just feigning ignorance.
The Hausas and the yoruba's were that real cause. They were killing igbo people in their place and when it got out of hand and after all dialogue has failed, ojukwu declared a state of Biafra. He did not declare war. And what did seun mean by 'stubbonly hold on to pride' whereas his people and hausas were using all the federal arsenal located in their place to bomb innocent igbo woment and children.
It is a shame that neither Obasanjo, nor Murtala Muhammed was tried for genocide. War is supposed to be between thate armed people from the two sides but what happened. How can They explain the death of 'millions' of igbo people killed in the war. Its good that Seun admitted the number is millions and hausas and yorubas are even proud of saying it.
And somebody like seun will tell us that ojukwu is not a hero. May be not for the yorubas but any igbo man knows that ojukwu is much more than a hero to us.
Txlonghorn (m)
Re: God Bless Biafra.
« #61 on: March 22, 2006, 09:51 PM »

Ojukwu will always be  a hero in my eyes, I don't care what Seun or anyone else here has to say about this great warrior.I really don't know anyone today at Ojukwu's age before the war  can stand up to the Government of Nigeria for his people.

Please People let's not drag this man's name in the mud for he is one of the greatest heroes Nigerians(Igbos) ever had.
rikkyjen (m)
Re: God Bless Biafra.
« #62 on: March 31, 2006, 08:10 AM »

Ojukwu would have been an hero to me too ,but the fact that he came back to the country he wanted to split to contest for senatorial elections in 1983,marry Bianca and still wanted to rule nigeria in 2003 .that was an albatross and an irony.Heros never flee for their lives.Hitler killed himself and many others who believe in heroism and heroics ,not a cowardly Lt col who flew to ivory coast under the auspices of going in search of peace as he said in his bogus broadcast
biggjoe (m)
Re: God Bless Biafra.
« #63 on: March 31, 2006, 09:52 AM »

Quote from: rikkyjen on March 31, 2006, 08:10 AM
Ojukwu would have been an hero to me too ,but the fact that he came back to the country he wanted to split to contest for senatorial elections in 1983,marry Bianca and still wanted to rule nigeria in 2003 .that was an albatross and an irony.Heros never flee for their lives.Hitler killed himself and many others who believe in heroism and heroics ,not a cowardly Lt col who flew to ivory coast under the auspices of going in search of peace as he said in his bogus broadcast

What do u think that heavily armed Olusengun Obasanjo and Murtala Muhammed should have done to Ojukwu if they caught him in 1969. These people have been bombing villages without asking questions killing millions of women and children for nothing. What do u think they will do to Ojukwu.
The greatest fighter is the man who lived to fight another day. He came back to Nigeria and perticipated in politics because the yorubas and hausas have promised to return Nigeria to what it was before the war. The kind of Nigeria that he liked but the hausas chose the type of Nigeria where the Igbos will be slaughtered daily without questions.
We can not also say that his going toi Ivory Coast would have lasted for ever if the war continued. He has to retreat and possibly look for help elsewhere. He can't do it in Nigeria then because he would have been dead along with more of millions of Igbos. His subbordinates (Effiong) decided to stop the war instead. If not somebody like Alexander Madiebo and others have planned Guerilla warfare which im sure the heavy handed Nigerian Troops could not have handled.
So, bro. Ojukwu is a hero.
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