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Seun (m)
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An offensive cartoon series originally published by a Danish Newspaper known as Jyllands-Posten has led to widespread outrage in the muslim world. Please have your say. I would particularly like to understand the muslim perspective on this cartoon series, which has been strongly condemned by the Christian Association of Nigeria. |
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debanjee (m)
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Thanks for the links to the cartoons Seun as it helped put things into perspective for me. I'd heard a lot about the effects this cartoon is having around the world but hadn't seen them before now.
I believe it is a bit offensive but still can't understand the outrage it has caused. The reaction has definitely been over the top. I'm all for free speech and a free press even if it does offend me.
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mochafella (m)
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If I remember corrctly we have been through something very similar with Salman Rushdie's book, "The Satanic verses". The cartoonist had better find a big hole to hide in. The protests do set a bad example for some Nigerian muslims.
I can imagine such a scenario if one of the Nigerian newspapers has a cartoon parodying Sharia law. Some religious/political leader will take it out of context and call for demonstrations, which may lead to something else. The Miss World issue was not too long ago as well.
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Idekeson (m)
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Could a rational muslim (lots of them out there) explain to me why we should expect violence anytime our action contradict their beliefs (sharia Law)? Everybody should realize that no amount of diplomacy will make this war of idealogy go away. Simply because mankind can never be made to conform to a single belief system. This confrontation will remain until everyone understands that you can't apply your religious laws and beliefs on me, unless I subscribe to it. "Until the philosophy that holds one "race" (substitute with religion) inferior to another is discredited and abandoned, there will be war"- Bob Marley
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debanjee (m)
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Angry Muslims Burn Danish Embassy - News from AOL Thousands of Syrians enraged by caricatures of Islam's revered prophet torched the Danish and Norwegian embassies on Saturday - the most violent in days of furious protests by Muslims in Asia, Europe and the Middle East. Faced by the spreading violence and international concern, leading religious officials in Syria urged calm. In Gaza, Palestinians marched through the streets, storming European buildings and burning German and Danish flags. Protesters smashed the windows of the German cultural centre and threw stones at the European Commission building, police said. Iraqis rallying by the hundreds demanded an apology from the European Union, and the leader of the Palestinian group Hamas called the cartoons "an unforgivable insult" that merited punishment by death. http://english.pravda.ru/news/world/05-02-2006/75430-caricature-0 |
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ijebuman (m)
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Nigerian MPs burn Denmark's flag (in Kano) Nigerian MPs cheered in the northern majority Muslim state of Kano as Danish and Norwegian flags were burned in a ceremony in the parliament premises.
The flags were torched to show disapproval of the publication in Denmark and Norway of cartoons satirising the Prophet Muhammad.
Earlier Kano state MPs passed a resolution to call off multi-million dollar trade negotiations with Denmark. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/4689314.stmThis issue seems to have got out of hand, its true the cartoons were offensive but the whole protest is just giving it more publicity. Considering how 'peaceful protests' normally degenerate into religious riots i hope the Nigerian government is on alert |
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demmy (m)
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Look out for the fanatics to start burning churches next.
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otitoloju (m)
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MPs  Sounds more like almajiris to me. |
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mochafella (m)
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Oh lord, here we go again.
These unethical politicians trying to appeal to religious sentiments to disguise their ineptitude at their tasks. Why was the flag burning necessary? Is that the way a civilised society should behave, especially considering that they are supposed to be the leaders of the society. If you are pissed/offended, cancel the business links as they did. The flag-burning does nothing but appeal to emotions for selfish ends. Since when did we become a society of flag-burners anyway?
Like demmy said, I would not be surprised if a church burning comes next on the pretext that a "Danish" man is the priest/pastor of the church.
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hot-angel (f)
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What's This Thing About Cartoons Criticizing Prophet Mohammed?I thought of a topic and found that. Anyways, I really don't see what the big deal is here. Seriously speaking, it's just cartoons. Okay yes it was something bad about Prophet Mohammed. Okay so what? Why does everything with the muslims have to be soo complicated? Jesus get made fun of EVERYDAY, and christians don't start war. Anyone want to shed more light on this topic? 
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Jakumo (m)
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I often marvel at how easily Islamic fundamentalists get worked up into a frenzy over the most trivial of matters. In this case a cartoon depicting the prophet Mohammed smoking a joint or leaving a whore-house or some other mundane activity was published in an abscure newspaper in Denmark, and before you could say "Jobless MuFuggas", swarms of screeching psychopaths flood the streets in cities around the world, burning property and committing suicide (Good Riddance).
If the god these folks worship was so all-powerful, why don't all those herds of stampeding bearded morons leave the judgement of the cartoon artist to their almighty ? Somehow, I just can't picture christians or any other religious group acting so pathetically stupid and retarded over absolutely nothing.
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nferyn (m)
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The cartoons were of bad taste and showing prejudice regarding the muslims, but... the reactions are far out of proportion to say the least. This has the potential of truly becoming a battleground in the clash of civilisations. Freedom of press is an essential value of western democracies and this is an issue on which no European country is going to bulge (except Poland maybe, but they sometimes seem to be living in the Middle Ages). If these violent reactions are going to continue, you can expect nearly all European press outlets to show these cartoons, if only in defiance against the call for censorship You can expect anti-muslim xenophobia to rise considerably in the next months in Europe |
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debanjee (m)
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Couldn't agree more Nferyn. The reaction has been truly over the top . There was a protest here over the weekend with the muslim protesters carrying banners and placards promising mayhem and scenes in the uk reminiscent of 911 and the July 2005 london bombings
The police have been trying to play this cool even though the protesters broke a lot of rules by inciting religious hatred, terrorism, murder etc.
One of the protesters was even wearing a suicide bombers jacket! The guy has been arrested and is now languishing in jail. He is also said to have done time before for drug dealing.
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Seun (m)
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The newspaper editors responsible for the cartoon have apologized. The Danish prime minister, who has absolutely nothing to do with this, has expressed regret over the issue. What more do the Muslims want?
Someone should arrest those leaders that are instigating their followers to make a big deal of this. Muslim lives are being lost for no reason whatsoever.
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mochafella (m)
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Dem want make the Danish prime minister come prostrate for them, to say sorry. |
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alheri (f)
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In fairness to the Muslims, those cartoons were out of place and quite provocative.....but I would also like to say that Muslims around the world should come to a realization that there will always be people who will say/do/print un-nice stuff about something. It could be gender, faith, race etc. People must always exercise their right to freedom of speech and we all can't have the same opinion or share the same beliefs. We also can't all be sensitive to other peoples feelings. People will always say un-nice things to each other. I believe we should all be more tolerant. These things will always happen, if not in Denmark, in Nigeria, or US or whereever. Someone will always exercise their right to freedom of speech and expession, and we can't always like what they say.
Personally, I fail to see why a Nigerian muslim would want to fight his fellow Nigerian, a christian because someone in Denmark publised an offensive article. Security had to be beefed up in KD after the friday prayers to avert/abort any violent crisis.
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micklplus (m)
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Really, the whole reaction is just too out of place because i do not see any justification for this top of the roof responses to the mere cartoon that was directed at probably to increase level of sales, which wasnt meant to insult and to malign anybody or any group of people.
how come these muslims always get worked up over frivolities and trivialities? As if they are saints themselves !
Atleast, civilisation allows for freedom of speech and opinion and if you are not cool with that you can then sort cover in court of law.instead of behaving as if you just came out of the bush !Simple.
Gbam !
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theORAKU (m)
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been a muslim, i must tell you that the cartoons are really offensive as it targets the one of the major icon by which islam is recognised by.
Anyway, it still isnt enough to start violent protests everywhere.
Protests in every other form BUT not VIOLENCE is okay, which is just a display of how uncomfortable we are with the cartoons.
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Kokscity (m)
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@Topic
This is simply a clash of civilization. I consider myself Atheist and personally i do not care if this cartoon is mildly of greatly offensive. The reaction from the world's Muslim community is borderline "Barbaric". These are people that cut off people's head in the name of Islam, are now reacting to a cartoon like savages. I am appalled @ faith in general, it is a cheap excuse for hatred if you ask me. You have Clerics that have hijacked this so called peaceful religion, and turned it into something of an armed/militant movement. If i were a Muslim, i would denounce these protest, and call this $hit like it is.
Let freedom reign
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LoverBwoy (m)
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To me there is nothing wrong with makin fun of religion or a person but this one is a general swipe at the religion....
Though i am not in support of the violence thats goin on around the world but just imagine the amount of people dying just because of someones free speech!! how would u feel when someone commits suicide after u tell them something or some people start killing each other due to something u publish ..is it something to be proud about??
Do you see the whole politics that goes on around the world when something is said about Jews?
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Kokscity (m)
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@LoverBwoy
Please tell me you are Kidding right. Seun absolutely did the right thing to give us a link to the topic. The more info we get the better. We have an open forum here, where are coming from with this crap?
Nairaland is an Open Forum for people to express their views freely, without fear of NOTHING.
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LoverBwoy (m)
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so what fear did my post bring to u abeg?
Showing a cartoon of someone is fair game but someone associated with a certain sensitive religion is inconsiderate n irresponsible!
Why didnt BBC show it? they don't have free speech?
why did the american officials condem the jewish drawings considering they are christains( majority) ?
All of a sudden muslims are terrorists n angry people..... u just put them in the same basket a fail to recognise that the majority of the rioters are jobless people that just hapen to be muslims?
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Jakumo (m)
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Kokscity, thanks for reminding Loverwboy that it is CENRSORSHIP that is "a bit stupid and irresponsible", and NOT the public posting of the very funny cartoon that launched a thousand Jihads.
While you're in the spotlight Loverwboy I'll also be issuing you a bullcrap ticket for wrongly assigning guilt to the writer of any publication that causes a bunch of turbanned loony tunes to self-exterminate. If anyone is mentally unstable enough and anxious enough to get busy with the seven heavenly virgins, I argue that the suicide of such a basket case is simply Dawinian selection at work, with the goofier and brain-washable members of the population dying deaths that appropriately and mercifully terminate their sorry, repressed lives before they can breed and produce more little scurrying dimwits.
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LoverBwoy (m)
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so why do people publicly condem anti-jews views? |
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nferyn (m)
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@ LoverBwoy
You can condemn everything you want as far as I care. I draw a line when someone calls for censorship and no mather how you look at it the reactions to these cartoons are absolutely inacceptable.
This once more shows that religion can very easily lead to violence, hatred and bigotry because is is fundamentally irrational and sets us versus them, both with a competitive claim for absolute truth that cannot even be questioned.
In a free, open society, everything should be open for questioning or mockery
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Kokscity (m)
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Loverbwoy
The BBC and CNN,FOX,MSNBC,ABC,CBS,PBS are all cowards. Jews are persecuted all the time in free media,art shows and by many Muslims, you do not see them firing missiles @ Iran because that their President said something offensive. Listen Islam cannot hold this world Hostage, Muslims alway act like Mohamed should be feared by everyone. You have to respect all faiths, and just as Jesus Christ is made fun of, so can any other leader. It is the way you react that matters. But i will defend Seun's right to post whatever he wants here.
Well to me Faith is over rated. It is always the cause of our problems. Instead of us saying we hate each other, we use faith to cover everything up.
Kokscity will stay an Atheist until further Notice.
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Kokscity (m)
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Well said Nferyn. I wish i could be that Eloquent.
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LoverBwoy (m)
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Yup "in a free, open society"
Apart from the voilence do u support comments geared to certain religion...
Religion is causing a lot of trouble in the world so that why i particularly do not see any reason why people should inflame it just for the comfort of free speech
him dressed as a bomb is not particularly mockery to me thats just a general brush on the religion
why are anti gay comments against the law?
MY personal opinion is, if something is likely to cause discomfort to other tribe/race/religion then don't do it
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nferyn (m)
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Yup "in a free, open society"
Apart from the voilence do u support comments geared to certain religion...
I criticise all religions because I think they're all backward and irrational. I certainly don't single out muslims. As you may or may not have noticed, I have come to the defense of muslims on several occasions on this board Religion is causing a lot of trouble in the world so that why i particularly do not see any reason why people should inflame it just for the comfort of free speech
maybe not. I certainly wouldn't have published these cartoons. I think they show bad taste. The way some muslims reacted to these cartoons though, shows that there is far more at stake than a few stupid, insensitive cartoons. The reactions show that there is a fundamental clash of values and that the muslims in Europe will be the ones that suffer most under the backlash. him dressed as a bomb is not particularly mockery to me thats just a general brush on the religion
Yes, bad taste, insensitive and prejudiced. Should be countered with argumentation and reason, not with violence, threats and an attack against one of the fundaments of Democracy. Without free speech, Democracy is an empty shell. why are anti gay comments against the law?
Are they? MY personal opinion is, if something is likely to cause discomfort to other tribe/race/religion then don't do it
that's why I said I would never have published such cartoons, but this is not about these cartoons anymore. |
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LoverBwoy (m)
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Thanks Nferyn..for not taking this the way the other guy is tryin to make it confrontational....n responding like the mature man u are
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nferyn (m)
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I have taken the liberty to copy an article by Richard Dawkins on Religion, written just after the September 11 attack on the twin towers in the US. I have a weird and uncomfortable deja-vu feeling in view of the reactions to the publishing of the those cartoons in Denmark. I totally agree with the position Dawkins takes in placing religion central in the question about what caused 9-11 and I feel that the same thing applies here as well. Please, all very pious religious people who might be offended by blunt free speach, do not read this article, as it will undoubtedly offend your sensibilities. You are warned. Link to posted article on the board: http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-6509.0.html |
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