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9ijaMan
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Tha acts of those killing others are condemnable and quite babaric.
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9ijaMan
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I'm afraid that most non-muslims find it difficult to understand the muslims' way of life. If a xtian fine it amusing that his god is being made mockery of, it does not necessarily mean that Muslims should accept such. That is one of the reasons why both religions are different.
I detest in every form the violent riots in the northern part of the country, but will give a 100% support to organising peaceful demonstrations against such publications from the danish papers.
Writing long epistles about why Muslims are perceived violent will not resolve the matter, but for all non muslims to understand that muslims are brothers and whatever affects any muslim affects all others.
If the papers had not made delibrate attempts at mocking the prophet of Islam, all the violent attack would surely not have occured.
To the non Muslims I have this to say: "To you be your religion and to me be my Religion" Q109V6
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9ijaMan
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sapereaude
I 'm begining to think you need to c a doc for a close examination,
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Why are they fighting for muhammad or did he ever tell them he is angry about the cartoon thing? Muslims like making something out of nothing.They kill for any little thing.God will forgive these blood tasty religious fanatics  ",,,blood tasty"? hehehe  ,,,hope you've not been nibbling some meat out of them! Just a laff - (I know you meant " blood thirsty"). Anyway, I'm saddened all the more by the hypocricy of people acting under the cover of any religion (Islam, Christianity, Judaism, or cults) to take precious lives at any excuse.   I'm aware that not every Muslim can be blamed for what is happening around the globe as a result of the religious riots. Even so, I haven't come across any Muslim who's been able to point me to just one Qur'anic verse as justifying the madness. I cannot entirely lay the blame on Islam per se, but the events of the past weeks only makes me wonder if Islam's undergirding thought is to take life, rather than sustain it. Methinks that the killings are not tied to the cartooning of Muhammad, but serves the long awaited excuse for these fellows to show their sinister cowardice. I wonder why Allah has not been able show his 'power' in providing healing and miraculous blessings to the blind, lame and less privileged folk roaming the streets of most northern states in Nigeria; let alone defend himself instead of hiding behind his followers to betake themselves to all sorts of gory killings. It just doesn't make sense and I join those who condemn this barbaric act in very strong terms. I do pray for those Muslims who feel painfully isolated as they stand helplessly watching Islam wear an ugly face by the misplaced and unwarranted attack on sanity. |
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Softee (f)
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I'm afraid that most non-muslims find it difficult to understand the muslims' way of life. If a xtian fine it amusing that his god is being made mockery of, it does not necessarily mean that Muslims should accept such. That is one of the reasons why both religions are different.
I detest in every form the violent riots in the northern part of the country, but will give a 100% support to organising peaceful demonstrations against such publications from the danish papers.
Writing long epistles about why Muslims are perceived violent will not resolve the matter, but for all non muslims to understand that muslims are brothers and whatever affects any muslim affects all others.
If the papers had not made delibrate attempts at mocking the prophet of Islam, all the violent attack would surely not have occured.
To the non Muslims I have this to say: "To you be your religion and to me be my Religion" Q109V6
There are thousands of people that make fun of jesus each day. In cartoons, newspapers, magazines etc. But you saying that we as Christians find it amusing is totally out of order. We do not find it amusing, we find it quite sad. But God does not tell us to cause riots because of it. God said we have to obey our masters (Dealing with all the cruelness and horrible things they do) and just wait for his promise. Infact, even Jesus Christ himself said : "If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you" Which means that Jesus knew the world hated him, He knew the world was going to make fun of him. God can fight his own battles, he is a God of judgement. He will judge the wrong. THAT is why loyal christians do not cause riots over some lowlife making fun of jesus. |
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Seun (m)
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The killings have nothing to do with islam. They are ethnically motivated. Religion is just an excuse, but Islam doesn't tolerate senseless murder. This is senseless murder because the people being attacked don't have anything to do with the so-called cartoons. Religious people don't kill their brothers in cold blood. These are mere criminals and the police is meant to deal with them the way they deal with armed robbers. That's all.
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If you're refering to just one area like Nigeria, I'd understand. But I can't make sense of the 'ethnically motivated' underpinnings of the riots around the globe. What ethnic groups in Pakistan and Istanbul have the Muslims there been fighting and killing? I think it goes beyond ethnicity; some Muslims who say that Allah has promised that Islam will conquer the world, think that the best way this prophecy is going to be fulfilled is by attacking anything that is not "Islam." In the case of Nigeria (as in other countries as well), the cartoons were just a perfect excuse to draw daggers at everyone else who is not a Muslim.
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Seun (m)
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Consider the killings outside Nigeria as a convenient excuse for the killings in Nigeria. Imagine that you are a poor mallam and you've always been jealous of those obnoxious Igbo traders in your neighbourhood. Then one day some Imams start railing about some stupid cartoons which of course you don't care about - since you haven't even seen them - so you pick up your cutlass and go straight to your Igbo "Christian" neighbour's house to behead his children. That is more or less what has happened.
To understand people, you need to realise that even when people seem to be operating in a group their motivations may not be the same. Consider a crowd full of muslims. Some are there to show solidarity to their Imams over the cartoon issue; they are there for a peaceful protest. The others are there because they can use the event as an excuse to start killing the "Christian" Igbos. The mistake you are making by grouping all muslims together is similar to the mistake someone might make by grouping non-hausas in the north and Danish cartoonists together and calling them "Christians".
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I'm not sure you're reading me well. No, you're wrong to assume that I group all Muslims as backing what's going on, and you may wish to read my thread a few lines above. In particular, you'd notice I made this statement: I'm aware that not every Muslim can be blamed for what is happening around the globe as a result of the religious riots. ,,,I cannot entirely lay the blame on Islam per se, ,,,I do pray for those Muslims who feel painfully isolated as they stand helplessly watching Islam wear an ugly face by the misplaced and unwarranted attack on sanity. Whether ethnically motivated or not, I think the issue is much bigger than that. I should agree with you that some killings might have been ethnically inclined, but I wonder if that's all there is to it. |
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Seun (m)
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The marches and protests were motivated by the Imams showing solidarity to their Arab brothers who are so offended by a bunch of cartoons. This is ok - people are allowed to protest as loudly as possible and to burn flags. That's cool. Casualties outside Africa only occured when protesters got out of control and started fighting armed policemen.
But I think the killings of "Christians" in Libya and Nigeria are ethnically motivated. The cartoons are just another lame excuse for what they've always wanted to do.
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la_vivi (f)
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Consider the killings outside Nigeria as a convenient excuse for the killings in Nigeria. Imagine that you are a poor mallam and you've always been jealous of those obnoxious Igbo traders in your neighbourhood. Then one day some Imams start railing about some stupid cartoons which of course you don't care about - since you haven't even seen them - so you pick up your cutlass and go straight to your Igbo "Christian" neighbour's house to behead his children. That is more or less what has happened.
To understand people, you need to realise that even when people seem to be operating in a group their motivations may not be the same. Consider a crowd full of muslims. Some are there to show solidarity to their Imams over the cartoon issue; they are there for a peaceful protest. The others are there because they can use the event as an excuse to start killing the "Christian" Igbos. The mistake you are making by grouping all muslims together is similar to the mistake someone might make by grouping non-hausas in the north and Danish cartoonists together and calling them "Christians".
[ i said it that islam is a religion of violence and nothin more anyway they re losers[/color] let THEM burn in Hell |
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seeni4ever (m)
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seun, you have no point with your explanation. those that are killing are muslims. i dont care either they are bad ones or good ones. muslim is muslim and christian is christian. now the igbos have started killing the muslims in onitsha ( www.nigeriaworld.com ) . are you telling me these igbos are not christians? yes they are and i love it, the muslims started it. so, it's eye for eye. |
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allonym
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I wish it was actually just that Muslims were outraged over the cartoons.
However, either it is a load of BS or a lot of muslims (hey, just like their christian friends) are hypocrites.
Those who claim the lack of respect for their religion so outraged them that they must burn buildings and kill others. . . I wonder just how much respect they have for other religions? Obviously, they have no respect for life or property.
And since when should I care about insulting a person's religion? I certainly don't care if I insult someone's political party. Its not like either person would die as a result of my actions . . maybe just some hurt feelings. . but who cares? (in the grand scheme of things)
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Iknowwhoim (m)
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When a film was made portrying Jesus as a homo, though condemnable and balsphemous to Christians, the world did not come down.
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9ijaMan
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but when a movie was acted potraying the Jews in bad light (Passion of the Christ) the media went crazy castigating the film director.
If xtians take no offence in seeing christ being mocked, it does not necessarily mean muslim should fold their arms and keep silent when Muhammad (SAW) is being mocked.
Simple truth is that these religions are different no matter the amount of similarities pple try to draw. I would not expect a muslim to act like a xtian nor a Jew, neither would I expect others to act like Muslim.
I wonder if any of you guys know that it's a crim in UN to talk about the Holocaust in bad light. A man was jailed yesterday for doing so. That's one religion.
The best way to live in peace is to respect pple for what they believe in and not make mockery of their beliefs.
There is no sense in taking innocent lives be it in Maiduguri or in Onitsha.
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alheri (f)
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but when a movie was acted potraying the Jews in bad light (Passion of the Christ) the media went crazy castigating the film director.
If xtians take no offence in seeing christ being mocked, it does not necessarily mean muslim should fold their arms and keep silent when Muhammad (SAW) is being mocked.
Christians don't fold there arms, they just don't go killing people cause of what was printed/produced on paper/video! There are more civilized ways of reacting which should show respect for human life. Simple truth is that these religions are different no matter the amount of similarities people try to draw. I would not expect a muslim to act like a xtian nor a Jew, neither would I expect others to act like Muslim.
Very true, that is why what is going on in Onitsha is sooo wrong. Christians don't have to act like that too! I wonder if any of you guys know that it's a crim in UN to talk about the Holocaust in bad light. A man was jailed yesterday for doing so. That's one religion.
The best way to live in peace is to respect people for what they believe in and not make mockery of their beliefs.
There is no sense in taking innocent lives be it in Maiduguri or in Onitsha.
The best way to live in peace is by been tolerant cause people will always say things that would hurt/mock another, not neccesarilly about religion, could be race, gender, political(whatever) and we don't have to go killing cause of that. |
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madam (f)
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@ Alheri I am lost about this Onitsha jist wetin they happen there?
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alheri (f)
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It has been reported that some angry christians in Onitsha have started killing northern muslims there in retaliation to the killings of thier Ibo brothers up north by Muslim fanatics.
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ijebuman (m)
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I've said it before, religion will tear that country apart. We are better off without Islam and Christainity. At least when we were worshipping our so called 'idols', we were not killing ourselves because someone upset the gods
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seeni4ever (m)
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@ijebuman, you made good point.
@9ijaman, u are dumb, is that why those stupid animals should be killing innocent people. why cant they go to denmark and cause problem.
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I've said it before, religion will tear that country apart. We are better off without Islam and Christainity. At least when we were worshipping our so called 'idols', we were not killing ourselves because someone upset the gods
Idolatory has some aspects of it that are cannibalistic - and that is still the killing of people; so your point did not make any sense. You may not subscribe to either Islam or Christianity, but that is no reason to say Nigeria is better off with none of them. The issue is that some people take things too far and the result is what you're finding today. |
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9ijaMan
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@Choice A
Nna thanx jare. U have made a valid point.
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slary (m)
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In my own perspective as a true and a devoted [b]MUSLIM the issue of killing and burning of churches
is never and will never solve problems of this magnitude, i never subscribed to killings and maiming.
I had expected a peaceful demonstration condemning the barbaric act against the holy prophet.
Those who are fond of circulating such unexpected and nefarious stories should better watch it.[/b]
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Softee (f)
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I've said it before, religion will tear that country apart. We are better off without Islam and Christainity. At least when we were worshipping our so called 'idols', we were not killing ourselves because someone upset the gods
Comments like these upset me Please read this with understanding. No disrespect. Do not blame the FAITH Christianity for all the hypocrites out there. God is the judge but and he will judge the wrong: " In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge: Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction" Matthew 6:5 "And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you" But what concerns me dearly is that a lot of people throughout this forum seems to be linking Christianity and islam as both violent faiths that battle 24/7. Believe me, i am not just saying this because i am a christian, i am saying this out of pure truth. The Islam koran teaches violence AND some of the people are corrupt. The Christian Bible teaches love BUT some of the people are corrupt. Do you see the difference? The Bible does not teach violence but the koran does. But some people of both are corrupt. Here are some sayings from the Quran : 2:190-193 "Fight in the cause of God those who fight you , And slay them wherever ye catch them , And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression and there prevail justice and faith in God , " 4:101 ", For the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies." :224 "Then fight in the cause of God and know that God heareth and knoweth all things." Here are some verses from the bible: John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. Deut 7:8 But it was because the LORD loved you and kept the oath he swore to your forefathers that he brought you out with a mighty hand and redeemed you from the land of slavery Eph 2:4-5 But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions --It is by grace you have been saved. Joel 2:13 Rend your heart and not your garments. Return to the LORD your God, for he is gracious and compassionate, slow to anger and abounding in love, and he relents from sending calamity. This shows that Christianity cannot be put in the same catogery, True christians know not to be violent because our God teaches against this but of love. Yes im not denying the fact that corrupt 'Christians' cause trouble. But please do not judge Our faith by what the hypocrites do. For God loves you dearly. If you open your heart and do right. He will show himself to you. |
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ijebuman (m)
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Idolatory has some aspects of it that are cannibalistic - and that is still the killing of people; so your point did not make any sense. You may not subscribe to either Islam or Christianity, but that is no reason to say Nigeria is better off with none of them. The issue is that some people take things too far and the result is what you're finding today.
Ifa (Yoruba traditional religion) doesn't have any cannibalistic aspects that i'm aware of, unless you care to enlighten me. |
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demmy (m)
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Idolatory has some aspects of it that are cannibalistic - and that is still the killing of people; so your point did not make any sense. You may not subscribe to either Islam or Christianity, but that is no reason to say Nigeria is better off with none of them. The issue is that some people take things too far and the result is what you're finding today. This is an ignorant opinion of african religion  . You need to decolonize your mind bro |
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gbade. x (m)
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Ifa (Yoruba traditional religion) doesn't have any cannibalistic aspects that i'm aware of, unless you care to enlighten me.
if i can recall, there are some babaric aspects of the Yoruba traditional religion, such as human sacrifices. don't have much time. will type something up later |
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ijebuman (m)
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if i can recall, there are some babaric aspects of the Yoruba traditional religion, such as human sacrifices. don't have much time. will type something up later
Please tell me what they are, especially regarding human sacrifices (just so you know i've done quite a bit of research in this area so be sure to provide a reputable source for your information ) Ifa, The Yoruban philisophy includes the beliefs that:
There is One Supreme God
Except for the day you were born and the day you are supposed to die there is not a single event in ones life that cannot be forecast and if necessary, changed.
Your spirit lives on after death and can reincarnate through blood relatives
You are born with a specific path.
Divination serves as a road map to your path.
Our ancestors exist and must be honored, respected and consulted.
The Orisa (forces of nature) live within us and deal with the affairs of men.
You must never harm another human being or the universe, which you are a part of.
Spiritual, physical, mental, and emotional realms of our existence must all work together and be balanced.
Sacrifice is necessary to assure spiritual success. thread on ifa http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-4427.0.html |
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seeni4ever (m)
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ifa olokun asorodayo. ifa is a religion of peace. peaceful than islam. world temple of ifa is beside central mosque in ife opposite ogun shrine and adjacent to cathedral church of anglican in enuwa squre, the seat of ooni of ife. these great places are like this to demonstrate religion tolerance but only the moslems always complain about the temple of ifa. what is their problem. the reason oduduwa left mecca for ile-ife is to avoid these stupid people that did not allow him to practice his believe. then he came here to settle down. we still do the same. i was born to the family of ifa but my grand father convert to christianity but that doesnt change my believe in ifa. it's a religion of peace and does not tolerate any kind of barbaric behavior. only you so called muslims are stupid and barbaric.
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Idekeson (m)
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I've never felt as fulfilled and proud of been an Igboman. EYES FOR AN EYE!.
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allonym
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I've never felt as fulfilled and proud of been an Igboman. EYES FOR AN EYE!.
The last thing we want is to sink to their level. People should be free to protect themselves, but not become persecuters and murderers. |
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