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fediman (m)
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Hey guys it is time to tackle this one. Hit nairaland with your heartfelt opinions.
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JosBoy4Lif (m)
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Now this whole discussion really ponders me the fact that there has been so much talk over this caracatures. For how long have countries like Syria and Iran been making derogatory cartoons about the Jewish and Chrsitian World. http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/32.htmIf we are going to be fair we must condemn both parties from illustrating such graphic cartoons. Or if free speach will be allowed to prevail then both parties should be allowed to draw the cartoons. But my take is that they are wrong and immoral. Very much blasphemous! |
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mochafella (m)
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Though i am not in support of the violence thats goin on around the world but just imagine the amount of people dying just because of someones free speech!! how would u feel when someone commits suicide after u tell them something or some people start killing each other due to something u publish ..is it something to be proud about??
Do u see the whole politics that goes on around the world when something is said about JEWS
@LoverBwoy, yes people condemn anti-Jewish statements when they are insensitive, same thing here. These cartoons have being condemned by numerous governments. But Jews do not demand the prosecution of the editor of a newspaper nor do they get out on the streets to burn embassys, kill innocents and threaten to kidnap people, just because they are offended. If you are offended protest peacefully, cut-off trade ties. Destruction of lives and property does not solve any problems, it clouds the issue with emotions. Nobody I know has said the cartoons were unoffensive, but everyone (almost) recognizes that it is satire and free speech. Make it be known that you are offended, you don't need to commit murder for that. And you can guarantee that this reaction does not prevent someother bonehead from printing more cartoons. If anything it will encourage it. |
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davidylan (m)
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Sad! most sad that the world has degenerated into a world where freedom of speech is becoming extinct.
Nobody gives too hoots when the iranians scream "death to the zionists!" no one raises an eyebrow when the Christian and budhist Gods are portrayed in bad light.
I see most of the islamic sentiments in the middle east as nothing but a sham. While Islamic facsists froth at the mouth over the danish cartoons, millions of them are struggling to emigrate to these same EUROPEAN countries whose flags they are burning. While Osama Bn Laden is busing threatening Europe and America, his nieces, nephews, children, brothers and sisters enjoy cosy lifestyles in the same America and Europe!
What are the muslims doing in Denmark? If they are not comfortable about the level of freedom of the press there, let them return to their own countries and stop reading Western publications.
How many muslims against the Danish publications will leave Denmark in demonstration of their disgust? No! They enjoy the freedom of the press the western world provides and then turn around to burn their flags.
I think the whole western world has bent over backwards to the Arabs for too long, it is time they where told they can ABSOLUTELY NO LONGER HOLD THE WHOLE WORLD TO RANSOM ANYMORE! They have made the world very unsafe for other innocent individuals.
Imagine Sheikhs and Imams denouncing western values and yet living in western countries. What a contradiction!!!
Let them take their wives and children and go and live in their enclaves in the middle east and leave the rest of the world alone!
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Seun (m)
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That's true o. These are the same people calling for Isreal to be destroyed and nobody burns their embassies. Now they are burning embassies over a cartoon.
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Jakumo (m)
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A few days ago Britain very belatedly slammed a 7-year jail sentence and deportation order on a one-eyed, one-armed bushy-bearded orangutang who had been preaching a vile sermon of hate against Britain for YEARS from within the Finsbury Park Mosque in north London. The unkempt Islamic zealot had lost his eye and arm in a premature explosion while attempting to manufacture an improvised bomb to use against innocent citizens of his adopted homeland, the UK.
Prior to his arrest, news footage showed British policemen providing security while the same demented mullah continued preaching his sick message of bigotry in the streets outside the Finsbury Park mosque after he had been banned from entering the mosque, and it really dawned on me just how ungrateful, cynical and hypocritical the zealots are, as Davidylan pointed out 2 posts prior to this one.
One would think that anyone who lived WITHIN Britain or any other free and democratic country, and who so despised the tolerant culture there would vote with their feet and get their monkey asses the funk back to their dusty, dung-walled hovels in Iran or wherever they came from, but NO, those bearded and turbanned hate-mongering camel-jockeys would rather stay put in the West where they can flagrantly abuse and misuse the right to freedom of speech while greedily gobbling up the UK's generous unemployment cash benefits. The roundups of fundamentalist loonies in the UK should be stepped up and intensified, in the interests of sanity and public safety.
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nferyn (m)
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I just want to add one thing to the discussion. Event though I am outraged by the reactions to these cartoons and am very pessimistic about the outcome of this clash of civilisations, there is one thing that we should never ever do against these zealots and that is sacrificing our fundamental rights and freedoms for a blanket of security. Even murderers and genocidal manics deserve to be protected by these fundamental rights and freedoms, because if we sacrifice them in our struggle against the ephemral ennemy of terror, we are becoming more and more what we are fighting against. I am appaled by the anti-terrorist laws that have been put in place in many western countries, the suspension of habeas corpus, the so called patriot act, Guantanamo Bay and all these laws that give police and security services more power over ordinary citizens. This is what we should fight against just as much as against terrorLet me finish by quoting Marin Niemoller: First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me. |
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ono (m)
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Hmn, that's very thoughtful of you, nferyn.
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exu (m)
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One would think that anyone who lived WITHIN Britain or any other free and democratic country, and who so despised the tolerant culture there would vote with their feet and get their monkey asses the funk back to their dusty, dung-walled hovels in Iran or wherever they came from, but NO, those bearded and turbanned hate-mongering camel-jockeys would rather stay put in the West where they can flagrantly abuse and misuse the right to freedom of speech while greedily gobbling up the UK's generous unemployment cash benefits. The roundups of fundamentalist loonies in the UK should be stepped up and intensified, in the interests of sanity and public safety. Wow, I'm truly amazed at some of the ignorance I come across on this board at times... |
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nferyn (m)
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Wow, I'm truly amazed at some of the ignorance I come across on this board at times...
Indeed, just change those bearded and turbanned hate-mongering camel-jockeys by those blacks monkeys and you'll know who's talking   |
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Jakumo (m)
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Exu kindly clarify what you find ignorant in my post. Educate me and tell me why you think people should be allowed to emigrate into any country and then make a career out of advocating violence against that host country. I really do want to be as enlightened and worldly as you when I grow up, so do humor me so I can better appreciate the basis of your stern teacher's reprimand. Also, would you permit me to remove the pointy dunce cap while I listen to your pearls of wisdom ?
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charlisco (m)
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What do muslim think they are? If other religion are doing what they are doing now. I think this is the first such cartoon of mohammed is publish in newspaper by a non islamic country, do you know that some islamic press having been caricacuture other religious believe before now | Al-Watan, June 11, 2003 (Qatar)
The big word with the Star of David: "Terror;" below, on the hand: "The assassination policy." |
ok now the Danes are apologising of what their press had done, the muslim region still keep deaf ear to it, and going to an extent of reterliating by seeking their own cartoon revenge |
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nferyn (m)
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ok now the Danes are apologising of what their press had done, the muslim region still keep deaf ear to it, and going to an extent of reterliating by seeking their own cartoon revengeIt's even worse, as most of these cartoons were published way before the Danish ones. |
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seeni4ever (m)
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i don't like to argue about religion. but those who are demonstrating about cartoon should really say what their problems are. the cartoon was published last year september and you are now crying. i have seen many cartoons about jews, christians and other religions. why not muslim cartoons. these arabs and muslims are dumb.
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nferyn (m)
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One would think that anyone who lived WITHIN Britain or any other free and democratic country, and who so despised the tolerant culture there would vote with their feet and get their monkey asses the funk back to their dusty, dung-walled hovels in Iran or wherever they came from, but NO, those bearded and turbanned hate-mongering camel-jockeys would rather stay put in the West where they can flagrantly abuse and misuse the right to freedom of speech while greedily gobbling up the UK's generous unemployment cash benefits. The roundups of fundamentalist loonies in the UK should be stepped up and intensified, in the interests of sanity and public safety.
Jakumo, A big problem is education of the masses of these Muslims, they do not understand what exactly the enlightenment has brought to Europe and how Europe slowly evolved from an extremely intolerant culture to the openness you see today and that that openness is based on a legally protected freedom to be deviant and different. Saying that anyone can misuse the right of free speech is in contradiction to that very right. You should have the right to say loony fundamentalist stuff and, as long as it is not an incitement to action or has an actual subjugating effect, nobody should infringe on the right of free speech. It is quite clear that many of these Imams are doing far more than preaching values contrary to those of the host countries and whenever they overstep the boundary between speech and action, they should be dealt with switfly within the boundaries of the law. Your remarks could be interpreted as hate speech though, as you seem to be making uncaled for generalisations and using ad hominem insults that are not even factual. You better leave your - understandable - emotions out of this important debate. |
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charlisco (m)
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please any muslim here?
i have some thing intresting to ask him
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charlisco (m)
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u are not a muslim, i just view your profile you might be an Ijaw or a Niger Delta Tribe
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nferyn (m)
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u are not a muslim, i just view your profile you might be an Ijaw or a Niger Delta Tribe
Why can't he be a muslim? Anyone in the world can follow Islam, there are no territorial boundaries to religion. |
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charlisco (m)
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@theORAKU Do not worry, very soon a fanatic muslim will be attracted to this trend in a short while. I hope you claiming to be a follower of islam had visited this website http://www.faithfreedom.orgthat is where i will draw my question about islam and peace  |
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vichel (m)
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For me there is nothing wrong with it. The press has freedom pf speech, and if that's what the writer thinks of Muhammad, so be it.We should not judge him, we should leave the judgement to God. No body has ever seen Allah, Jesus, Muhammad or God, so any picture made of them should not be a problem to anybody
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exu (m)
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My only real objection to the cartoon is that it isn't even funny...
I've just read today that a similar cartoon depicting Jesus by the same artist was rejected by the paper involved because the cartoon itself wasn't very good...
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seeni4ever (m)
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i have seen bad cartoon about other religions why not muslims.
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ijebuman (m)
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It doesn't even look like Muhammad  (because i don't even know what he looks like) What i find strange about the whole thing is that if Muhammad can not be depicted in drawings and cartoons. Then how the hell can they claim the cartoons are of Muhammad. It doesn't make sense, if someone draws a dog and puts the name Muhammad on it, would that be a depiction of Muhammad ? |
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mochafella (m)
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i have seen bad cartoon about other religions why not muslims.
Yes that is true, and the tendency some pressure group/NGO/offended religious body will complain. The fact that you do not see violent protest about other religious cartoons does not mean they are no complaints. It simply means that the protesters are more "civilized". Afterall, I am sure you have seen the earlier posts defending the right to free speech. I am also sure you have seen the posts accusing some muslims of over-reaction. So the fault lies on both sides. Somebody drew something offensive, the offended party over-reacted. Case closed. |
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charlisco (m)
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Please a muslim should answer this question that is really bothering me. Is Islamic preaching a message of peace?
<snip: offensive picture>
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nferyn (m)
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That cartoon can also be interpreted as the hijacking of Islam and Muhammed for terrorist purposes.
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nferyn (m)
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charlisco,
Better let it rest, you can find fanatics in all religions. It's just as easy to find these people in Christianity and Judaism. Ever heard of the Lord's Resistance Army in Uganda?
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adesodgi (m)
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i don't havemuch to say but its like muslims just love violence,hope one day they would know life aint all bout violence but love....
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Seun (m)
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A long term solution is to offer free education to muslim children and take time to teach them the values of tolerance and non-violent conflict resolution in addition to normal coursework.
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Sesan2
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The cartoons are not even well drawn. To think that people have died over them (and properties destroyed) or any principle attached to them is insane. I can never understand why people do violent things in the name of God. Surely, God can fight his own battles.
Let us not forget though, many moslems have also condemned the violence and it may not be right to assume that those who engage in violence truly represent islam. Unfortunately, there are enough violent 'moslems' to make life difficult for the rest of us. It is possible that these are just violent people who use religion as a shield.
I do not support the name calling of Arabs or any race. Arabs did a lot for mankind in the past, just like many other races have done.
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