The Dying Factories Of Nigeria

@davidylan

why do you keep saying "us"? You're a Nigerian who has moved to New York for permanent residence. How is the looting your public treasury?

When did you contribute your taxes? I thought you said you contributed your taxes to the US government to be channeled to the middle east crises? What has Yar got to do with that? Did he intercept it half way?

You contributed your votes? Really? There was a green-white-green ballot box in Central Park, New York? Wonderful.

Your Patriotism too is very helpful. You ran away to Yankee and you were calling for the disintegration of Nigeria on a different thread. That goes to show how genuinely patriotic you are.
I am totally sick and tired of all you runaway Nigerians, American wannabes who still take time to come and disstabilize and demoralise Nigerians.

Yes you were a patriot once. I can see the anger in you because the system failed you. But rather than for you to accept that things are getting better at a fast rate, you chose to take up the task of sending wicked and heartless messages to and about Nigerians. It is bad.

You are in America. How is government government denying you constant power supply in New York. Or do you believe that NEPA is so powerful that they are responsible for power outages in New York?

"Our" roads are in a horrible state, "our" hospitals are mortuaries?
"We" can't refine our oil after 10 years why do they send you to keep posing as one of us so you can tear us down and lower the morale of Nigerians? Why can't you just be honest and tell people who you are and what your true mission is? And stop attempting to destroy "our" government and return "our" country back to military rule. Or you do not know that your message is none other that that which will cause killing, stealing and destruction?

Do not play any role Ehn, please don't play any role. Our taxes are sitting in foreign banks. But you that your taxes have been repatriated down to Israel, don't bother about the roles Nigerians choose to play in their country.

Don't build this nation in fact, you're not trying to. Build your own new Nation that has blessed you with free Education.

You have come here to make us jobless hands and frustrated minds but I tell you, you have failed. We will work hard and we will think straight and no amount of intelligence, counterintelligence or misinformation can destroy us.

Please stop claiming what you're not. You're no more a Nigerian. Tackle issues abound in your new country and tackle them fairly. If at all there is something that you don't like in Nigeria, point it out like any other foreigner. Don't come in here and pretend you're one of us in the same situation. What have you got to gain by lying? Unless you have a mission to fulfill, I don't see why you should lie. Duality is a high level of deceit. You have to have a reason to do it. Lets know why.

You claim it is jobless hungry men in despair that go about blowing pipelines. All the poor jobless despairing people in the US, how many pipelines have they vandalized in order to siphon gasoline? The unemployment rate in the US is about 4%. Thats almost 10million people. And remember that the unemployment rate is calculated as those that are willing and qualified to work but are without jobs. What about you BLACK brothers and your trailer park whitetrash that are unwilling and unqualified to take up jobs? Then your mexican gangsters. That gives you more than 50million jobless, hopeless, criminally minded Americans. Why has no single one gone to siphon oil from a national pipeline. Because they have not been fed with the type of primitive intelligence that most of us are fed with.

Are there no jobless hungry, despairing people in Kaduna State? How many pipelines have they vandalized.
It is not about hunger, lack of employment and depression. It is stupidity and greed.

So you think militants actually go to blow up pipelines? They drill holes in the pipelines to siphon fuel and when there is an unfortunate ignition, pipelines explode and thousands of them die. So don bring that horseshit about unemployment.

You complain that they go to Germany to cure a cold. You bathe, shit and sleep permanently in New York. You even do not dream outside New York.

All the children of "our" leaders are in foreign schools? That must make you one of all the children of our leaders because em, are you not in a foreign school? Do you see any other children of our leaders in your school? That means it must be you that you're talking about.

Odili's daughter was in UNIBEN. How many times have you seen the children of these thieving leaders in your New Work and gone to their faces to say "you! Your father is a thief! Hes stealing all the money and babies are dying in Nigerian Hospitals because no vaccines". Yet you come here to unleash your bile on the masses whom you claim are already being oppressed. You do not know the meaning of that word you often use: "HYPOCRITE" you do not know but slowly, gradually, subconsciously, you have become it.

The patriot in you, Moyinola Adenuga, has gradually that hypocrite David Dylan, and the worst part is that you're not even aware. I'm sorry I have to be the one to break this to you. Others will come in here and argue to make their point, but I will tell you the truth. This is not you anymore. You have changed to something you once loathed. You have become your enemy.

I know you tried, you struggled so hard in Nigeria and the system failed you, made you seem inefficient. Then you went to the US and realised you didn't even have to try so hard. It is sad but you must realise that it is this system that built you to be strong determined and resilient it is what makes you excel easily where you find yourself now. Look at the African Americans around you. See the kind of sorry lives they are living. Even in the US where every infrastructure is in place, see what they've made out of it.

Whose were the hands that built America? Was it the government or the forefathers of the modern day die-hard Republicans? If their is no individual development, the government cannot function. How can the government function when it is from among these same individuals that the government representatives emanate?

Is it from the government you obtain the masses or it's from the masses you obtain the government? In fact, the leaders are not just a reflection of the citizenry, they are of them and from them and so the government is the people.

You should find out what "a government of the people, for the people, by the people" really means, then you will know who carries the major fault for the position we're in today.

I still maintain that the Nigerian government should provide basic infrastructure and services like roads, railways, airports, radar, police, defence, regulations, laws and policies.

But government should not generate electricity, government should not provide pipeborne water, government should not refine petroleum, government should not provide education, government should not put food on the table, government should not build churches and mosques, government should not, publish newspapers, government should not run television stations, government should not run airlines, government should not provide subsidies. It has been tried and tested all over the world and it has failed or is failing.

Look at the movie industry in Nigeria. As wicked as Abacha was, he provided equipment for the studio in Jos, worth more than $500million for movie practitioners to use free of charge. The directors of these bloody homevideos went there to check the equipment: 2 Panasonic Panaflex cameras, Professional DV Cameras, DV Decks, High tech computers loaded with original video editing software, unending rails of tracks,dollies, almost a hundred HMI lights, large Chroma screened studios, thousands of tripods and cranes. They went back to Winnies Hotel in Lagos and complained that Jos is too far!
Chalize Theron left South Africa for Hollywood and Zach Amata is saying Jos is too far.

Then for more than 15 years now, they are still using household camcorders.
It is these people you say should not re-orientate themselves?


@davidylan & aisha2

the both of you have just chosen the two extremes to hang on to. The truth is that the government is not in excellent shape but I give it a 60%. The citizens, I give 17%.

The masses won't educate themselves, they won't analyse the reality at hand. They just complain and complain their future away.


Finally david, I see a lot of things going wrong in America. I complain, but I don't go to demoralise American families. I don't tell them that "our" president is killing our children in Iraq. I don't tell them that "our" president was shipping M-16 assault rifles and M60 heavy machine guns to Militants in the Gulf of Guinea.

So since you want to be an American, you can complain about America or Nigeria to your fellow Americans. Don't sneak into Nigerian gatherings and try to poison the hearts and minds of Nigerians against their country. What does this aim to achieve? Peace?

I admit that Nigeria is not where it ought to be, but you too have to agree that Nigeria is 10% better than you left it. And that is under Obasanjo. You also have to agree that Yar' Adua will run this country better than Obasanjo did so I really don't see what all the fuss is.

God save Nigeria!

@aisha2

we will work hard and we will succeed. There's no force holding us back. Dangote that is here today, it was not government that went to his house to wake him up and make him succeed. So definitely we will succeed. Nothing dey happen.

The environment is changing, dictatorship has died out, there's nothing more holding you and I except the barriers we build in our minds and the negative information we get from what davidylan once referred to as "Armchair Journalists".

Keep on keeping on. Nothing can stop us.

God Bless Nigeria. 

@ denex,
you have indeed said a lot and i must agree that most of what you have said is true. But let us stop decieving ourselves, indeed the US is what it is today because of the individual contributions of its citizens but each time i read its history i am forced to compare them to Nigeria.

The basic difference has been those with the reins of power. As long as we have crooks and theives for leaders we may as well forget about development. If the likes of Wole Soyinka, Chinua Achebe, Emeka Anyaoku can not change this government, then you and i may as well pull our chairs and siddon look.

@ aisha, NO we did not take the easy way out, rather we chose to pursue our dreams that were impossible to achieve in Nigeria.

@ davidylan!

 You are a joker and you must eat your words if you can survived with all these ups and down before u went to your enclosed state, were on Earth did you received all the strenght and courage, remember the Yankees u and your colleagues are ruining too now was fashion and built,developed over 200 years of trying and falling. or do you think that Rome was built in a day?,

 THERE IS NO PLACE LIKE HOW AND WHO ARE THE GOVERNMENTS OR LEADERS?,  WAS IT NOT HIS PEOPLE?. Tear down the colonial mentality that holds you down and embrace the NEW NIGERIAN NATION.

@davidylan & laudate

I'm really sorry that I sounded harsh. The truth is that I go around in Nigeria and I see ordinary citizens committing atrocities that are unimaginable.

Have you seen Lagos drivers opposing a one-way traffic? You will hate the day you were born. They will leave their lane because of impatience and they seize one lane from the opposing traffic, then after a while, they seize the second lane, finally they takeover the third and the whole traffic comes to a standstill for 7 hours. This is how Nigerians now behave. Totally disorganised.

Nigeria is so disorganised right now that I was arrested in a bank once by the SSS for behaving orderly. They explained to me that it looked suspicious to them that the typical Nigerian did not bother to jump the line or take the back door.
 
I love being arrested in Nigeria. I get arrested and I give them my regular slogan "I wont give you guys money, I wont beg you, and I wont even be nice to you. So its best you let me go now."
Of course they wont listen. They'll take me to the station. At the end of the day they will hate that they ever did. I will harass them. I will write a totally non-implicating statement and then tell other people that they retain the right not to write statements. I make the day hell for them then at the end of the day, my lawyer comes to get me and the police doesn't get a dime. 
But you see Nigerians everyday, ever willing to pay a bribe. They don't know the law and they won't read their rights. They're just generally unconcerned. Yet they complain. I know that there was a time that the Nigerian government was bad and most of the citizens were good but now the citizens are 200 times worse than the government officials.


There are evenings I'll be at the bus stop and some drivers would want to charge N20 extra just because its dark. Than cannot possibly be caused by the government. Even if I have N50,000 in my pocket, I would take any of those buses. But then you will see some so called bloody masses will take out the last N150 in their pockets and pay; "oga commot for road if you no get money". The masses are really terrible and they need re-orientation yet they don't do it for themselves. And since they don't trust the government in the first place, maybe you and I can try to help them


I'm sorry to have sounded the way I did but the truth is that davidylan, I read your blog and I even saw your pics. You are a nice guy that once believed. The fact that you just turned to something else within a few years, it made me feel bad. Truth is in ten years time people will see what Nigeria will achieve.


I wish one day you could fly the flag again, but if you can't, just still bless it in your heart.

I am not proud of any derogatory words that I may have used. I was not myself.

 @moneytalk

this is not beef, its brotherhood. So if you want to, you can join in. Nothing should cause divisions.

Okay.

If the only wrong Nigeria has done is to invade Cameroon, you will NEVER hear me criticise it lai lai! The average American is not bothered about Iraq, infact less than 1 in 7 can point to Iraq on the map! As long as the government can guarantee a good standard of living very few are bothered where US bombs are falling. The only reason you hear them cry is when they lose their children in war.
Yes they have a deficit but the US remains China's largest market, take away that market and watch Chinese industries crumble like a pack of cards.


What are you talking about? Our democracy is 8 years old and we are still giving excuses that it is not stabilized enough? No sir the problem with us is that unlike Brown who simply has to pick the best people for the job, Yar A sleep has to pick people based on federal character!

@davidlan,

 I like your attitude and i think we can learn more from each other as we are sharing knowledge which i think is good for growth and development of our Country, You known that Nigeria types of democracy can not be conpared with YANKEE of 231 YEARS OF FULL BLOWN PRACTICE, you are right but please give us a chance to learn to craw, stagger, stumble and walk we shall overcome,remember no nation is an island the basic things shall or must be provided by the government yes i aggree with you.

Kindly take a look @ these:
China's currency hit a new high against the US dollar on Tuesday as the country's trade surplus is projected to top US$100 billion in the first half of the year.

Before trading started on Tuesday morning, the People's Bank of China (PBoC) set the midpoint at 7.5951, breaking the 7.60 barrier for the first time since China ended its peg to the US dollar in July 2005. The PBoC widened the yuan's daily trading limit against the US dollar to 0.5 percent to 0.3 percent on May 18, making it possible for faster gains.

The yuan has appreciated 6.35 percent against the US dollar since the exchange rate reform in 2005.

However, that has failed to appease the Bush administration, American lawmakers and businesses. US Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson said Monday he was unhappy with the slow pace at which the yuan is rising in value.

American lawmakers and businesses claim China is keeping the yuan artificially low to give its exports an unfair advantage and demand a faster rise in yuan's value.

The new midpoint came after a senior Chinese government economist says the country's trade surplus for the first half of this year may top $100 billion on top of a US$177.5 billion surplus in 2006.

"The trade surplus reached $85.7 billion in January-May, and for the first half of the year will exceed $100 billion," said Yao Jingyuan, chief economist for the National Bureau of Statistics.

That is expected to give more ammunition to American lawmakers who are calling for legislation to impose higher tariffs on imports of Chinese goods, or take other punitive steps if Beijing fails to ease currency controls.

The Chinese government has said it is not actively pursuing a surplus and has taken steps to slow exports.
The latest move happened on June 19 when the Ministry of Finance announced it will eliminate or reduce tax rebates for more than 2,800 export items from July 1. That accounts for 37 percent of all export products. China also insisted on the gradual reform of the yuan exchange rate and said a stronger renminbi alone could not put an end to the high-flying surplus. Nigeria will reach there height gradually. 
     

Well, the situation in the US is terrible and is getting worse, yet they are not letting it get worse all by itself. They even go further to make laws and put policies in place that will make their situation even more dire.

Anyway, the thread is about the dying factories in Nigeria.

There is cheap labour, there are natural resources, there is adequate land, there's a large market even within Nigeria itself.

The basic problems I see are those of Power and Low Interest Capital.

The issue of power is right now being resolved through the efforts of the IPPs and between the End of this year and the beginning of middle of next year, we would have adequate, constant electricity supply.

The provision of cheap Capital is one that would pose a major problem. Almost every bank in Nigeria has a more profitable underground deal it engages its funds in that makes it unavailable for longterm loans.
Also, there is the problem of credibility of those sourcing for the loans. No proper documentation business plans, no substantial identification, over-reliance on insufficient collateral.
Some of the problems can be solved by the government licensing foreign banks such as HSBC which have survived in countries where interest rates are below 5%.

God save Nigeria!

@ denex,

,

 You are wrong as at today the interest rate in UK as gone up from (0.2% to 5.25%), just to let you know we are all learning and our Country is part of the learning process.

@ lavile,

Our assertion is based purely on the way Nigeria people are and if i may ask you who is government? was is not its people ,we can only move it forward if we provide solutions which as to starts from all of us imaging you bribing a LASMA official and you are not paying your tax simply because this or that look i tell you it wont work like that.

No Nations on Earth who does not have its problems let us kindly be finding ways of providing solutions to our numerous problems we can make a change the US your friends runs too are not exceptional they too make things work and we can do it in our Country also.

LONG LIVE NIGERIA.

Japan - has no army and relies 100% on the USA for territorial defence.
China - Has the USA as its largest and most critical market for its export.
UK - The US is its strongest ally.
Bottomline, the US holds the aces in all those relationships and each nation stands to lose more than the US.


My brother you are very right. But i made a mental note of one other basic difference between both countries today. ASUU is still on strike and our university students are busy roaming about providing the devil with many willing and capable hands. On the other hand millions of US teenagers on summer break are being payed monthly much more than you will ever make in a yr just to spend 3 months gaining experience in a lab of their choice! That is a nation that is thinking of its tomorrow and investing in its future! That is why Nigeria is regressing today and NOT because too many people are complaining. Do the right thing and NO ONE will have cause to use the airports again!

@ Afam are you here to respond to threads or just to harass me all over the forum? It the latter is the case you are doing a very poor job.
don't worry i know some schools have called off the strike but message is passed. While ASUU was on strike, teens here were busying themselves working in full paid employments!

As for Japan please maybe it would be good if you did not hypocritically and deliberately fail to mention that the US maintains over 90 full millitary bases in Okinawa and mainland Japan!

And please respond to the threads and leave me in peace!

Don't chase anyone around, I try as much as possible to correct misinformation, lies and half truths.

Glad you are now clear that some of your statements are indeed flat wrong.

It is far better to make sure of what you are saying than making these mistakes here and there.

Good luck, the forum is meant for the benefit of all and as such we should all endeavor to make the information flow as accurate as possible.

@davidylan

You mean you have been following the news but choose to lie? You mean to tell me that you knew the strike was over but just chose to say it was on anyway? Boy, I just can't understand you.

Is it also recent news that Japan has a military far better equipped than most in the world? Since you have been following the news?

I keep trying to understand you but everytime, you shape-shift. I have diagnosed you with MPD but soon after that I begin to realise there's more to you.


@BIGBOYLARRY

There are some things you say that are very considerate. However I don't see how you can tell me that am wrong for saying that "some of the problems can be solved by the government licensing foreign banks such as HSBC which have survived in countries where interest rates are below 5%."

I did not say they UK. I said COUNTRIES where the interest rates are below 5%. HSBC has survived in Japan where the interest rates are below 5%. And even during the period that interest rates were below 5% in the UK, were they not surviving? What we need is for them to come to Nigeria and apply the same principles so that industries can have access to cheap loans.


And I am not saying it must be HSBC. Any foreign bank SUCH AS HSBC. There is nothing right or wrong about this statement it is just a fairly loose suggestion so I don't know where you got your WRONG from.

@Davidylan,

I must say I read through a lot of your posts, and you know what? There is so much pessimism, in a lot of them. It is so easy to criticise, but much more difficult to offer workable, practical solutions. All the criticism in the world won't change anything. Talk is cheap. Put your money where your mouth is, and offer practical solutions.

Take the banking sector for example. There was a time you almost had to carry your mat along, into a banking hall in Lagos because the banks were so few, and the queues were so unbearably long. Today, what do we have? Computerised, functioning banks where transactions can be carried out in a couple of minutes, as opposed to several hours or days. It took a couple of visioners in the shape of young guys with financial muscle and sound ideas, to make a difference in the early nineties. e.g. Fola Adeola, Tony Elumelu, Marc Wabara, Atedo Peterside etc. The financial sector was deregulated, and new-generation banks were born, whose founders changed the face of banking.

The old banks had to wake up and provide faster, reliable services as the new banks were taking their customers and staff and making more profits to boot, in their bid to deliver good services.

Propose workable solutions instead of lamenting all the time, my friend. Anyone who is not a part of the solution, is merely a part of the problem!

@ ALL,

 We are all here to learn and to explore a way out off the present  situation we find ourself just let us take a look at these, for those that think Yankee is the ultimate i think they need to have a rethink, yes we have our own problems but the facts that we believe in our Country we shall over come just a peep into YANKEE details@davidylan

                            FROM A DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE TO A NATION OF DEPENDENT


Two hundred and thirty one years ago- July 4, 1776- the founding fathers of the United States met in Independence Hall and signed a document declaring America’s independence from oppressive British rule. But today America is again dependent, surviving on imports, debt and income from the sale of our best companies. While Americans this week celebrate our liberties, heritage and sacrifice of our soldiers, lets also remember these important statistics that are eroding our independence.
The Balance of Trade deficit was $765 billion or $1,450,000 per minute in 2006 and used, not to buy US Exports, but our core industries and means of production.
The US. national debt was $8.8 trillion as of June 2007, how will we ever earn enough to pay it?
With an estimated population of 302 million every American’s share of the debt is $29,130.
Ownership of the US Debt by other nations (loans to us) is astronomically high- and these countries can pull their holdings at any time, which could devastate the economy.

A nation with a large trade deficit is not that different from a person spending above his means. If you have had a successful career but suddenly lose your job, you still have a lot of credit available to you on your credit cards. Thus you can continue to enjoy a fine lifestyle for some time after your income stops. But if you do not find a new job in the end you will hit your credit limit and life will then change dramatically. This is not the equivalent of an individual having a perennial "trade deficit" with their local grocer while maintaining a surplus with their other employment and income accounts. The true analog would be as noted - an unemployed individual continuing to spend freely sustained temporarily with nothing but credit based on past worth.