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eldee (m)
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@ Eldee, All BIG needs is a roll of weed and a palatable song to flow with. . . . . He had to be the greatest rapper in the 90s. . . . . . .His lyrics were golden. The only flaws was he never had pre-recorded songs like 'Pac who wrote songs after songs while in Prison. Biggie's lyrics were in hid fat-head. . . .Too bad he was buried with 'em.  Maybe that's where I lost Biggie, all he needed was weed Why not books and magazines like other conscious rappers Sumone used a phrase, 'As ignorant as a rapper' What's the use of being able to hit 'em up if later sumone will point to sumn and say 'he said that just for the flows' If Nas had Biggie's talent, rappers would be more powerful now
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kaydee (m)
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A lot of babies around here trying to say stuffs bout Hip-Hop when they know so little bout it. How can someone compare "Ready to Die" with "Illmatic" lyrically? How do i explain your state of mind? You might get shot for saying that You know?Biggie borrowed ideas from Illmatic before dropping his album. One person said opinion is an asshole,everybody's got one but You don't know some people are just faggots and u know the rest. If Nas did not reveal it in "Last Real Nigga Alive" no one woulda guessed right.Nas is a lyrical genius and to think he did "Halftime" as a teenager Please stop this rubbish, we all know who Nas is better than If Nas had Biggie's talent, rappers would be more powerful now
What talent? Freestyle? or what other talent?
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Hannibal
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Well Hannibal i feel 2pac was a very gifted rapper. is lyrics were ill and can be recited all over the world. i went to italy and there were folk rapping "Smile"
Of course, 2pac was gifted in his own way but then Biggie was legendary(apologies to Eldee). I went to Hong Kong and Asian chics were were miming "Mo' money mo' problems"  @ Kaydee, Biggie borrowed ideas from Nas?? You could get shot for saying such. . . . . . They were totally different in style n suave. . . . . Biggie was a man of his own . . . . . . . .Go and listen to "We will survive" and see how Nas was purring over Biggie's enormous talents.
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eldee (m)
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What talent? Freestyle? or what other talent?
Apart from freestyle, he had the abilty to flow non-stop It's no secret that Nas sometimes finds it hard to even control his breath He sumtimes goes uneven in his lines B.I.G was different, he could make a song out of anything He made songs that could sell to both sides of the market, not just rapheads In an interview, Nas said, Hiphop is dead because rappers are not being listened to.Just imagine a Biggie with Nas' lyrics
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chiogo (f)
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@Mr. Kaydee, I guess you know what everybody thinks, that's why nobody knows anything about hip hop except u. I made the 'opinions are like ass-holes' comment, don't really get what you were driving at by mentioning the comment. Anywayz, my point is not that nas is better or vice-versa. Thing is y'all be taking this shit seriously, talking bout 'Nas is a lyrical genius, he's a god' and bla. Like dang, we agree but y'all acting like you're getting paid or something. Like I said earlier, this whole thing is based on opinions. Everybody here wants every other person here to believe that a particular person among the two is better and when someone says otherwise, you rule them as 'babies and novices about hip hop'. That's not true because just because he's a god to u doesn't mean he has to be a god to others. Just like some people out there feel that Lil' wayne and Soulja boy are d best rappers alive. That's their goddamn opinion!
Bottomline, most of y'all here are forcing it. Talking bout 'you could get shot for saying that'. Get shot by who exactly and where? In Nigeria or where? Last time I checked few Nigerians care bout rap. Not even in the hoods of NYC would anybody get shot. Shot coo slapped nee.
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kaydee (m)
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@ Chiogo If i tell You those child molesters ain't sick,i've got my opinion right? and u see how my opinion shows i'm as f**ked as a faggot's ass  If i tell You Bin Laden is right to blow up the towers,It's my opinion right but You see where that puts me  and You heard what the Bible say bout Atheist?It was someone's opinion too! I wasn't dissing You,i was just trying to make You understand why some opinions are better kept inside. When i said "You cud get shot",You shoulda asked what i mean! i was speaking literally and now i know why u don't understand Nas. I know people who know bout Hip-Hop here and it's very easy to tell if someone's state of mind is close to or far from Hip-Hop just from what they type here. @ Eldee You're so right.I admire him for same talents too! @ Hannibal You shoulda just ask me to explain. "Raekwon and Ghostface Killah, on Raekwon's 1995 debut "Only Built 4 Cuban Linx", , criticized the cover of The Notorious B.I.G's Ready to Die (released a few months after Illmatic) for featuring a picture of a baby with an afro, implying that his cover had stolen the idea from Nas." You see! Go listen to "Last Real Nigga Allive"
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bgees (m)
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i'll still say it one more time. BIGGIE's death added to his prestige. if he was'nt dead he would'nt be respected like this, one classic album?.
and please life after death a classic. capital NO!
And as anyone heard the diary of mr scarface?
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Bamsyle (m)
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O M G  !!! I thought this ish was over!!! I'm really surprised at so many of the things I'm hearing here. Look, let me start by saying I'll never even lay claim to all those " I'm a rap-head, Been listening to rap from my mama's womb" and bla bla bla like that. You don't even need all that to be a good rap fan and critic. Just LISTEN to Rap Music. I don't care if you were born in the 40s, 50s, 60s - 2000s. Just play the darn rap songs (from rappers of every era and age) and LISTEN with your mind and ears wide open. Then you'll know who's good and who's not. @HANNIBAL YOU ARE DA MAN! Reading through the whole thread, you're the only guy who just types everything on my mind word for word!!! You see, Nas V. Gay-Z is a topic that didn't even require any second thoughts or a millisecond for me to answer. NAS all the way!!! I can't even see the point(s) of comparison at all. Gosh, it's annoying  But Hannibal, Tupac V. Biggie has always been a very hard one for me. A lot of times I've sat down for days listening to both cats over and over again, trying to compare. But just when I thought had the winner, everything just comes down again like a pack of cards. And that's the only point at which I tend to disagree with you. You can't say Biggie was a greater rapper than Pac. Between you and me, I just can't give it to either. And the reasons ain't far-fetched. Biggie was a god of flows, delivery, metaphors, rhymes, story-telling/emceeing, imagery. He was the god of the flip and hip side of rap, 2pac was the god of the lyrics, the deep side of rap. He makes you think, reflect, cry, He was soul-touching with his style. Both were kings in their style. And I just can't say that either was a greater/better rapper than the other. Only thing was that a friend of mine once said Biggie was the best rapper ever while Tupac was the greatest rapper ever, he meant the former was really skilled at the art of rap while the latter achieved a high level of greatness by the things he rapped about. For me, I just can't decide. @all Biggie and Nas?!!!!!  Please don't even start another blasphemy!!! Biggie eats Nas raw - and I mean even without Nas' deep lyrical content. YES. I won't dwell on this. It's for another day, @bgees and kaydee All those disrespectful words to Biggie? I'm not sure you have listened well to him. Someone said he borrowed from Nas?  Someone else said his death was what made him big???  Don't even go searching for some of his underground material. Just listen to Life After Death again please. Again, I won't say much here. Just like Hannibal, that album is in my top three. @doyin You amaze me the most here. You shouldn't even talk when peops are talking about rap. Your babblings with Hannibal were like between a professor and a meat seller on what a school looks like. I can't even begin to quote or refer to some of the most sacrilegious things I ever heard in my life that you said on this thread. Well, so much for freedom of expression, I'm out.
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Hannibal
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i'll still say it one more time. BIGGIE's death added to his prestige. if he was'nt dead he would'nt be respected like this, one classic album?. and please life after death a classic. capital NO! And as anyone heard the diary of mr scarface?
Maybe u need to confess to us u knew about Biggie after his death. . . . . I have known Biggie even before the Ready to Die album and he was so rated 'Pac knew he was an obstacle to his thrown. How can u say Biggie's death added to his prestige. . . . and to say Life After Death wasn't a classic even shows u know little about Rap. The double album had so many tracks topping US/UK Billboard charts for weeks and u say it ain't a classic. . . This album got 5 mics from The Source and XXL so what are u on about?
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chiogo (f)
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From Kaydee @ Chiogo If i tell You those child molesters ain't sick,i've got my opinion right? and u see how my opinion shows i'm as f**ked as a faggot's ass If i tell You Bin Laden is right to blow up the towers,It's my opinion right but You see where that puts me and You heard what the Bible say bout Atheist?It was someone's opinion too! I wasn't dissing You,i was just trying to make You understand why some opinions are better kept inside. When i said "You cud get shot",You shoulda asked what i mean! i was speaking literally and now i know why u don't understand Nas. Ok, you got me on that one. I can't even explain myself out of this but everybody knows child molestattion, genocide, etc are bad. But choice of music(see how I put that in bold) is based on one's opinion really(how many times do I gotta say that? Lol). To me, I don't think jigga is better than Nas but I also don't think Nas is better. Let's just say am in d same situation as Bamsyle who can't decide who's better between pac and biggie. I think 2pac is(was) better tho, that was easy.  . I don't understand Nas?? What's there not to understand? He's one of my favorite rappers so is jigga. I just find it hard when it comes to people who I feel the same way about. Although he dissed the hell out of jay in 'ether', it's one of my favorite songs, I listen to that shit almost everyday. And I don't understand him?  hope u get my point, am done arguing,lolz.
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A-40 (m)
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BIG was a father ooh he put the East Coast back in the map when it seemed like the West where running away with it yall need to really sit back and hear what that dude spat.1970 somethings,I got a story to tell the list is endless the only way 2pac shades it is because he was more prolific.Pac is the greatest no question
@doyin So Jigga has no talent? i am not buying that Nas hype hell naah
@kaydee Biggie borrowed ideas from Nas? thats the funniest thing i have heard all day.Did Biggie know Nas? Both biggies albums where classics Ready to Die and Life After Death
That Eminem spat a better verse than Jigga in Renegade doesnt mean he is better how can anyone in their right minds compare Hov to Eminem its utterly ridiculous how sick is this
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A-40 (m)
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@Hannibal 50Cent the future of rap? That future must be bleak indeed he is not even the present frankly if that dude doesnt get shot 18 times i don't see what else he has to write about he has simply lost the plan matter of fact he lost it in the Massacre that was a pop album
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kaydee (m)
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@kaydee Biggie borrowed ideas from Nas? thats the funniest thing i have heard all day.Did Biggie know Nas?
Did Biggie know Nas? You don't know that and You said it's the funniest thing You've heard! Lol! Now You're the one sounding funny.Go and listen to "Last Real Nigga Alive" and learn bout Biggie and Nas. @ Bamsyle You really crack me up! I'm just stating fact and don't say i disrespect Biggie again.I've got maximum respect for that dude.I prefer Pac to Biggie but i'll never say he's better than Biggie,nah! I've argued with Pac fanatics and the way i get the biased ones is when i ask them who was better on "Runnin' (Dying to Live)".I love "Life After death" too but i don't rate it as high as u guys do. Another correction, don't say Biggie is better than Nas, ain't no best. Jay-z said he's better than Biggie and Nas said they equal.
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eldee (m)
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That Eminem spat a better verse than Jigga in Renegade doesnt mean he is better how can anyone in their right minds compare Hov to Eminem its utterly ridiculous how sick is this
First you say we should forget Ether, we should for get Renegade, we should forget hin headlining at Gastonbury Please tell us what you want us to remember abeg  And don't tell me 'How can yo upgrade Number One'
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kaydee (m)
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That Eminem spat a better verse than Jigga in Renegade doesnt mean he is better how can anyone in their right minds compare Hov to Eminem its utterly ridiculous how sick is this
Lol! Now You're the ridiculous one because it is a good comparison
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Hannibal
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Did Biggie know Nas? You don't know that and You said it's the funniest thing You've heard! Lol! Now You're the one sounding funny.Go and listen to "Last Real Nigga Alive" and learn bout Biggie and Nas.
@ Bamsyle You really crack me up! I'm just stating fact and don't say i disrespect Biggie again.I've got maximum respect for that dude.I prefer Pac to Biggie but i'll never say he's better than Biggie,nah! I've argued with Pac fanatics and the way i get the biased ones is when i ask them who was better on "Runnin' (Dying to Live)".I love "Life After death" too but i don't rate it as high as u guys do.
Another correction, don't say Biggie is better than Nas, ain't no best. Jay-z said he's better than Biggie and Nas said they equal.
Jay-Z better than B.I.G?? Try Mikel Obi is better than Maradona. Cam Jigga touch BIG's vocabulary?? I don't think anyone in the rap game can do that . . This is not even an argument. 'Running' to prove who was better between Pac n Big?? My dayz. . . . .Go n listen to 'Lets get it on' 1994 remix featuring 2pac, Biggie, Grand Puba and Heavy D. That was the first BIGGIE lyrics on any record. . . . Biggie chewed Pac and spewed out his bones. The 2 greatest rappers ever are 2pac and Biggie. . . . .even for me, they are neck on neck. . . I will be the first to confess some of 2pac's works were breath-taking. . . .Makaveli's 7 Day Theory and Still I Rise are top draw. After those 2 LEGENDS comes Eminem. . . . . . then Nas and Jigga man. 
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eldee (m)
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After those 2 LEGENDS comes Eminem. . . . . . then Nas and Jigga man.  So you rate Eminem above Nasty-Nas, man's man, rapper's rapper? Tell me, you're kiddin' me . . . At least tell me what else Em' talks about apart from that he doesn't have a normal life? Nas on 'Why Remix (Jadakiss Ft Common, Nas)' is better than Eminem
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kaydee (m)
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@ Eldee
That's one of my fav tracks!
@ Hannibal
Man! You're just too anxious to type nothing.Read before You type and don't just look up words that interest you.
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onyinye2 (f)
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@Hannibal this is my list of the best rappers. so give me your in take on it.  1. Tupac 2. B.I.G 3. Jay-Z 4. Q-Tip 5. Mos Def 6. Nas 7. Eazy-E 8. Scarface (Geto Boys) 9. Kanye West 10. Whodini 11. Common 12. Lupe Fiasco
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Hannibal
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@ Eldee, It's easy to overlook Eminem because he is WHITE. . . . Blimey. . . .When u look beyond his whiteness and feel his lyrics, u would know that boy can flow!!!! There's no MC alive that can battle the white-boy on his day. . . . . . He is lethal. Before i go any further. . . . .Go and get "Devil's Night" album with D12. @ Kaydee, You don't know too much about Rap music. It will be futile to start dragging issues with you. . . . . You actually think "Running" was the best way to determine who was the best between Big n Pac. . . Thats a huge error. . . . . .Get back to me when u have something tangible to spew. @ Onyinye2, I like your list but what in the name of Zeus is Lupe Fiasco doing there and u have no Fiddy or Marshal Mathers!!! That list is criminal. Please make anutha one before i start laughing. 
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onyinye2 (f)
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@hannibal
what is wrong with Lupe Fiasco?? he rhymes challenge the mind to think. i mean seriously if you just listen to his lyrics, the things he comes with are pretty clever.
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eldee (m)
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@ Eldee,
It's easy to overlook Eminem because he is WHITE. . . . Blimey. . . .When u look beyond his whiteness and feel his lyrics, u would know that boy can flow!!!! There's no MC alive that can battle the white-boy on his day. . . . . . He is lethal. Before i go any further. . . . .Go and get "Devil's Night" album with D12.
Forget how white he is jare Tell me which of his albums can touch 'It Was Written' Why go far, try 'NY State of Mind' Vs 'White America' I feel so ashamed for Nas self My dayz . . . abeg, remind me, what's the next Pac album he'll destroy?
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kaydee (m)
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@ Kaydee,
You don't know too much about Rap music. It will be futile to start dragging issues with you. . . . . You actually think "Running" was the best way to determine who was the best between Big n Pac. . . Thats a huge error. . . . . .Get back to me when u have something tangible to spew.
You really crack me up! I see i shouldn't be discussing Hip-Hop with you.If You can't Understand what i type,how can You understand those deep ish in Hip-Hop? Lol! The only thing You know better than me is Man Utd and nothing else.LMAO!!!!!!!
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Hannibal
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@ Eldee,
There's no album from any Rapper(apart from BIG n PAC) that can touch Marshal Mathers LP. Go and listen to that album again and feel the lyrics in it. . . Whiteboy was outstanding and believe u me. . . .That ALBUM is golden.
@ Onyinye2,
Lupe Fiasco?? Puhleeeeeeeeeeeaze, that guy's rhymes are nursery.
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onyinye2 (f)
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@hannibal
whatever mayne!! his lyrics challenge the mind. which is exactly why i enjoy his music. the things he says, brings notice to things people didnt even know about.
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Hannibal
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@hannibal
whatever mayne!! his lyrics challenge the mind. which is exactly why i enjoy his music. the things he says, brings notice to things people didnt even know about.
Like Kick n Push?? Daydreamin?? Superstar?? Puhleeeeeeeeaze, that guy is comical.
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onyinye2 (f)
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what about "hip hop saved my life", "paris, tokyo," and "hurt me soul"?? does were good.
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Hannibal
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what about "hip hop saved my life", "paris, tokyo," and "hurt me soul"?? does were good.
You reckon?? I believe 'brain damage', 'rock bottom', 'criminal' and 'till i collapse' from Em are all better than those. What are u really after?? Lyrics or Rhymes or Beats. 
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onyinye2 (f)
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well hannibal im way more into the rhymes. if the rapper don't know what he is talking about then the beats mean nothing. if i don't feel watch the rapper is trying to say then it is as good as dead. and you??
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Hannibal
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I just watch the metaphors(putting em in unlikely contexts), the lyrics and the rhymes. . . . Eminem's songs are cheeky and his verbosity in songs makes him ma #1 candidate. He says things u cannot hear anywhere else. . . .
Check this. . . .
My words are like a dagger with a jagged edge That'll stab you in the head whether you're a fag or lez Or the homosex, hermaph or a trans-a-vest Pants or dress - hate fags? The answer's "yes" Homophobic? Nah, you're just heterophobic Staring at my jeans, watching my genitals bulging (Ooh!) That's my motherfucking balls, you'D better let go of em They belong in my scrotum, you'll never get hold of em
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onyinye2 (f)
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@hannibal
i know that eminem is a good rapper. but my problem with him is repeating over and over again about his daughter. no offense but it gets to the point that no one really cares any more.
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Hannibal
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@hannibal
i know that eminem is a good rapper. but my problem with him is repeating over and over again about his daughter. no offense but it gets to the point that no one really cares any more.
He is only trying to be a good father. . . . . Trying to give his daughter what he never had. . . .I have got no problems with that. All i am saying his that corny white boy makes ma day the way he spins lyrics around.
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