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olabowale (m)
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@1st+ @ Poster,
I am sure you don't need an answer to the question. I am sure you were patient enough to read the conception of Christ in the bible. Thus all about how He was conceived is in there. Never was it written that the Holy Spirit came in person/flesh to have carnal knowledge of Mary. For you to setup this thread is only tantamount to one thing from my view, which is Ridicule. Repent in your heart and you will be forgiven. I am a Muslim. Even though I agree with you that Mary did not conceive by any physical or spiritual intercourse, but I just have to ask why do the Christians and the Bible continues the Begotten son idea, and shamelessly explain it as if there was just that, sexual intercourse? Some will even try to demostrate it in a mounting posture! You can see what I mean by what an American service men did when he was explaining it to Late Shekh Ahmed Deedat, in a video. Please google it on your computer. Jesus was brought about by a very simple command, a WORD; Be and it is! Read through all the constructive posts/replies. They have justified your question and given appropriate answers.
The Word is there to answer all questions regarding it. If you don't believe in the Word then there is no business looking through it for faults. If searching the Word of God is to find peace in your heart and to find lasting solution to your unbelief, then open your heart and God would send peace to your life through His Word. What do you mean by the WORD? Are you talking about Jesus here which the Christian says is the word? Or are you talking about the Bible here which the Christian also says is the word? It you are talking about Jesus, he is not here to explain. And I have explained what the Word means relative to Jesus; Simply a command from God to bring about a process of th conception of Jesus in his mother's womb; Be! If you are talking about the Bible, I suppose that you should also know that God's word is never changing. But we do not see that in the instability of the Bible. The Bible has continued to change through the ages. There is no true stand alone Bible, that fits the acceptance of all Christians. For Sure Catholic Bible is unacceptable to the Protestants. And the Protestant Bibles, for sure KJV is unacceptable to the Catholics. So you really don't have the Bible as the complete word of God. You should look to the Qur'an for it. You will be satisfied with the creation of Jesus, in Surah Al Imran, Mariam, etc. For those that believe serving or believing in God is being stupid, look back at your beginning and your present status and tell if it is all by your power and might. As children we knew nothing. We ate anything, we played everywhere, we danced naked unashamed, we slept peaceably, we grew, and every other thing that we did. This happened only because someone who is a Supreme Being knew what we were as children and Loved us. He still does and will always do. I love what you said. At least you discriminated God and Jesus being separate and apart from each other. One is God, the Creator and the other and the rest of us, are created by the Creator. |
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stimulus (m)
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@olabowale, @1st+ I am a Muslim. Even though I agree with you that Mary did not conceive by any physical or spiritual intercourse, but I just have to ask why do the Christians and the Bible continues the Begotten son idea, and shamelessly explain it as if there was just that, sexual intercourse? How many Christians have tried to explain the Begotten Son with connotations of "sexual intercourse"? Was it not Muhammad who engineered that idea in the Qur'an? Where did the Bible give you the idea that it was speaking of a "sexual intercourse" in reference to the Begotten Son? |
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skyone (m)
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@Soface
what was ur intention behind this post? in case you are genuine about it May God deliver you from ignorance.
To ALL
Check Matt. Chp12 vs 32 and see what JESUS decree about the HOLY SPIRIT. I hope ignorance will not destroy some of you in this life.
@Seun
As a religion regulator of the modern age i believe you know what to do regarding this post.
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Kuns
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The bible describes the H.Spirit as a man
Daniel 9: 21 "21: Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation."
Angel Gabriel is described as a man and a man does have sperm. The was the same angel Gabriel who came unto Mary
Luke 1: 26 - 29 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,
27: To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.
28: And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
29: And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.
30: And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
31: And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb"
What does the word conceive mean? This means conception when the sperm meets the ovum.
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imhotep
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@Kuns
Please answer these questions:
1) in whose womb was Adam and Eve concieved?
2) whose sperm was used to conceive them?
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skyone (m)
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@Kuns
Please answer these questions:
1) in whose womb was Adam and Eve concieved?
2) whose sperm was used to conceive them?
You are full of wisdom and GOD will surely bless you greatly. You have sealed off this topic. Kudos to u |
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olabowale (m)
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@Stimulus: You are always a very disingenuous fella: You did not read what your brother in Christ, 1st+ wrote, before me. It was his quote, that I responded to. Again, for your troubled heart and dishonesty of thpught, here is what i responded to in his statement Never was it written that the Holy Spirit came in person/flesh to have carnal knowledge of Mary. This is why I mentioned sexual intercourse, meaning the same thing as "Carnal knowledge." You should learn to be honest. It is a good virtue! @Kun: The bible describes the H.Spirit as a man
Daniel 9: 21 "21: Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation."
Angel Gabriel is described as a man and a man does have sperm. The was the same angel Gabriel who came unto Mary
Luke 1: 26 - 29 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,
27: To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.
28: And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
29: And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.
30: And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
31: And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb"
What does the word conceive mean? This means conception when the sperm meets the ovum. Gabreil came as a man, does not mean that he has any sexual desire toward any woman. And it does not mean that he had sex ith anybody. Angels do not do things that are human. Angels do not eat for example. Terefore, it is a rule that because he appeared as a man, sex must take place. He is a Messenger to deliver a message from GOD, the Lord to Mary. It was a thing that must happen. A forgone conclusion. Mary got pregnant right away, immediately it was decreed on her. Afterall, the process of life of Adam, was even more complicated than that of Jesus. Adam came from pure soil. At least the process of Jesus coming alive, began with a woman who had an Ovary, an egg to develop from it. THe egg developmental process to a baby was brought about in earnest. Afterall, it is this same Creator who created the termite, which the workers and soldiers are hatched from unspermed eggs. Whereas the only egg that received the male sperm develops to reproductive termite. It is this reproductive termite that can start its own colony as either Queen or with another King. And finally, I am a Muslim. And my response is based on Qur'anic statement about Angel Gibreil, Mary and the birth of Jesus! |
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olabowale (m)
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@Imhotep: @Kuns
Please answer these questions:
1) in whose womb was Adam and Eve concieved?
2) whose sperm was used to conceive them? As much as you are right in your response to Kun, but I wonder how you find the relationship of Jesus with God, so special, than that of Adam and/or Eve that you attach sonship and partnership of God on Jesus? Afterall, there was nothing greater in that process to that of the two, that you can strictly claim what you claim about Jesus. If Adam is a handiwork of God, Jesus must be exactly that. If Eve is a handiwork ofod, Jesus can not be greater than His handiwork as well. Afterall, these creations were prior examples before jesus creation. |
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!st+ (m)
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@ Olabowale,
Thanks for dissecting my post in the most mature manner and way. You kept the tempo cool althrough despite the difference in our religious beliefs.
I am sorry that i would not answer all of your questions because i endeavour to eschew all forms of religious argument or inter-religious discourse. Nevertheless i will drop a line or two.
I am sincerely glad in heart that you believe that the Word of God was spoken into the life of Mary to conceive our Lord Jesus Christ and not the sperm contact.
As per the Word, in the context which i used it meant the Bible. I am also backing it up to say the Word is Christ. John 1vs1 states thus: "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God". That is why the Word when spoken and believed can do all things. Please the stability or no stability of the bible does not undermine the efficacy/truth of His Word. Also be informed that where there is light, darkness would always try to cause confusion. It is only to cause disparity between christians. All true christians use1 bible.
That is the truth.
As regards discriminating between Jesus and God in my last paragraph, please you must have miss interpreted what i meant. I would never do that. There is no discriminating or separating them. It is an understanding of the Holy Trinity. I am sorryi can't do the explanation right now. But many threads have judiciously given answers to inquisitive questions regarding this. For anyone of a different faith (Non-Christians), It would be really hard to accept whatever explanation, thus no need to start issuing epistles.
I used that last paragraph not to bias or generate any more controversies as to the existence of God/Supreme being. This is to respect all religions and faiths in the existence of God. Moreso my Bible tells me never to Judge nor condemn anyone.
Thanks once again Olabowale.
Do ve a great night.
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justcool (m)
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This is a funny thread.
@obanikoro2
You rightly said that the Holy Spirit is the third person in the trinity.
Therefore the Holy spirit is a person
And then you also quoted Genesis - And the SPIRIT of God moved upon the face of the waters.
And you also said, "Have u ever wondered why Jesus could not perform any miracles until He was filled with the Holy Spirit?"
If the Holy Spirit is a person, how can He fill another person? How can somebody be filled with another person?
The Holy Spirit is a person like Jesus and only His power can fill people not the Holy Spirit Himself. People can be filled with the power of the Holy Spirit but nobody can be filled with the Holy Spirit Himself. Nobody can posses or be filled with the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is Divine(Part of God), saying that you are filled with the HolySpirit is the same as saying that you are God. This is blasphemy!
It was the power of the Holy Spirit that moved upon the face of the waters(metaphorically speaking) not the Spirit Itself.
Coming to the question: Does The Holy Spirit Have Sperm?
My answer is no! Eventhough the holy spirit is a person, He is Divine(a part of God), in heaven and he doesn't possess any physical body. Only physical bodies produce sperm. Physical bodies are only needed on earth, since the Holy Spirit was not living on earth at the time of conception of Jesus, the question of him impregnating Mary is completely false.
God created nature and nature demands that a woman must be impregnated (procreation) for a pregnancy and a child to result. The laws of nature are also the laws of God. Nobody can override the laws of nature, you'll have to stronger than God to be able to do this. We have to accept the boundaries of nature and live within it because nobody can change it. Therefore every pregnancy(Including Mary's) was a result of procreation. Jesus (like everybody) had a biological father.
Jesus had to fulfill all the laws of God which includes the laws of nature. Hence, "I have come to fulfill the laws of my Father not overthrow them." However, Jesus is the son of God because he carries inside him a part of God, His innermost core is divine. Unlike we humans, our innermost core is spirit(the breath of God and not a part of God Himself).
The idea of people not having biological fathers is older than Christianity. The ancients believed that Alexander the great was the son of a god, the Romans taught that Julius Caesar was begotten of a lion. Ancient kings used these rumorers to make the gullible and ignorant masses respect them and worship them. The early Christians adapted this concept too and attributed it to Jesus. It made it easier for the superstitious Romans to accept Jesus and worship Him.
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imhotep
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@Imhotep: As much as you are right in your response to Kun, but I wonder how you find the relationship of Jesus with God, so special, than that of Adam and/or Eve that you attach sonship and partnership of God on Jesus? Afterall, there was nothing greater in that process to that of the two, that you can strictly claim what you claim about Jesus. If Adam is a handiwork of God, Jesus must be exactly that. If Eve is a handiwork ofod, Jesus can not be greater than His handiwork as well. Afterall, these creations were prior examples before jesus creation.
You need to get your metaphysics right. God the Son + the Body of Christ + the Soul of Christ = Jesus Christ You and somebody called Arius (died in the year 336) have similar ideas about Christ: 1. that the Word (Logos) and the Father were not of the same essence (ousia); 2. that the Son was a created being (ktisma or poiema);etc etc Arius and his teachings were denounced many times, by many theologians and many Church councils. All these happened long before Mohammed was born More of this here -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arius |
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Rhea (m)
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I wonder why this shameful topic has been allowed to be.
Is it because no christian has come out to threaten the u-know-who with christian fatwa?
Equal rights and justice!
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Guchis (f)
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Asking questions beyond oneself and demanding answers and proof does not make one smart in anyway.
If we read our daily devotional for today (Every day with Jesus) , the writer was talking about a similar situation.
He advised that we " Sit quietly before mystery", instead of searching nairaland in this case for explanations to them, making mockery of things that are Holy.
@ poster and all concerned: I don't know why some people are obsessed with the Trinity and Jesus conception, but if we're honest with ourselves, we'll find that there are so many pressing issues in life that needs immediate attention, like making our ways right with God for starters. Let us not try to fit a square peg into a round hole.
Shalom.
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Kuns
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The great pharmacist and chemist Nergal Shar’etsar Ruler of the Underworld, was also involved in the breeding process of the new beings (Homo Sapiens). When Adam was a child of two years of age, three years of real time, the scientist Nergal went into his bone marrow to take blood to mix it in to create Eve, which was then implanted into the womb of Anath, Mother of Eve. This bone marrow is what religious scholars say is the rib (tsala') in the Bible.
The Story of Genesis Chapter 1 - 7 was plagarisd from the Enuma Elish.
In fact, the names of the bible aren’t even names, they are titles. For example the story of Abraham, Sarah, and Hagar in the bible is just the story of ANU, Antum, and Iyd in the Enuma Elish. The story of Cain and Abel in the bible is just the story of Osiris and Set in the Egyptian records.
Also the Note that Gabriel come unto Mary. This is where the phrase immaculate conception come from.
What does immaculate conception mean?
This means there was nothing filthy or unclean about the conception.
Also to produced a male child you will need the XY chromosones of the male father. This is where Gabriel the Holy Ghost comes in.
Luke 1 : 28 " And the angel came in unto her, , "
Angels are men , not spooks. Daniel 9: 21. The word used for "man" here is the same word used to describe Noah in Genesis 9: 6 in the Hebrew script.
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Kuns
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olabowale Angel do eat. Angel appear unto abramham and he gave the milk and bread
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stimulus (m)
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@olabowale, @Stimulus: You are always a very disingenuous fella: It is not every crude and caustic allegation I reply to - that should be clear to you by now. Accusing me with such verbiage does not make you smart; nor did it mean that I haven't seen it since you did. However, be assured that I'm not what you allege against me - I only relaxed to give you time to think things through - carefully.  You did not read what your brother in Christ, 1st+ wrote, before me. It was his quote, that I responded to. Again, for your troubled heart and dishonesty of thpught, here is what i responded to in his statement Never was it written that the Holy Spirit came in person/flesh to have carnal knowledge of Mary. This is why I mentioned sexual intercourse, meaning the same thing as "Carnal knowledge." As you can see, !st's statement in quote clearly stated that your idea of a "sexual intercourse" about the subject in question was NEVER so written (i.e., " Never was it written"). That was why I asked you all those questions following your reply to force that idea where it does not exist - and how does that demonstrate that you were actually following his concept of " never was it written"? You should learn to be honest. It is a good virtue! Have I been dishonest in what I just pointed above? HOW? WHERE? Please let me know, if you care at all. |
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Kuns
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The Annunaqi Gabriy'el is actully the father of Yeshua (Jesus Luke 1: 26 - 35).
Olabowale, Another instance of the Torah, The Annunaqi Miyka'el, Raphael, and Uriy'el sat beneath a tree in front of Abraham's tent
(Genesis 18: 2 -8) They ate the dinner prepared for them which consist of bread and butter, milk and a tender calf. Do spooks eat these things? Do they have digestive systems? After their meal they then departed from the people of Lot son of Haran and Jurdana . Firstly, Spooks don't eat and they definitely can't be seen sitting under a tree. Then, for a spook to get up and walk to another place is totally unheard of.
The word "Spook" is defined as an "Apparition in a spiritualistic seance".
THis is definitely not the way Angels are because they were refered too as men. THe word used in the Qur'aan 19: 18 to describe Annunaqi Gabriy'el Is Bashraan Sawiyaan which means "Well form man".
In another example of Annunaqi (Angelic Beings) as men is found in Genesis 19: 5-8 where the men of the land of Sodom, wanted to know the "Newcomers" in the land. According to the Torah (old Testament) the men wanted too have sex with these Annunaqis.
Why would someone want to have sexual intercourse with a spook who can really be seen?
I have pushed this point to say that people have to stop thinking that the Annunaqi, Eloheem (Angelic Beings) are some spirit like spooky creatures that fly around (Genesis 19: 5). We have been taught that little fat white babies flying around are there is simply no such thing.
Give them back their religion and spooks.
I have just proved to you that Angelic Beings come in the form of Human beings.
And sperm is a thing human beings have. I mean if they have digestive systems.
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imhotep
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Prophecy of Daniel (lived about 500 years before Christ) ->
"I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of Man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed."
-Daniel 7:13-14
Saying of Christ (Matthew 20:28) ->
"the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many."
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Kuns
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Yes, the son of man has sperm. If that what to are trying to say.
Angels are men (Genesis 18)
A saying of Jesus.
John 10: 34 ": Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?"
Y'shua was not talking to himself, he was talking to you all.
Psalms 82: 6 " I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High."
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imhotep
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Yes, the son of man has sperm. If that what to are trying to say.
Angels are men (Genesis 18)
A saying of Jesus.
John 10: 34 ": Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?"
Y'shua was not talking to himself, he was talking to you all.
Psalms 82: 6 " I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High."
@kuns You have missed the point, as usual. |
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Kuns
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What, you mean you missed the point as usual.
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Horus (m)
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We are Gods and we have sperm.
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helium44 (m)
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@ soface this is d dummest topic ive seen as a nairalnder.sori bro ow old u b sef?  |
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SysUser (m)
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I notice a lot of nonsense that some people keep saying , about the Holy Spirit, I can only pity them because they simple do not know what they are doing and simply because they do not realise that they are sealing their own eternal damnation, and making sure that they may never be forgiven (since they might have sinned against the Holy Spirit) in one of their famous rantings.
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Mar 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:
Their own mouths (via their hearts) are speaking death unto themselves, knowingly or unknowingly
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Pro 18:21 Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof.
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mmonwuba (m)
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Will he send me the ten plagues? Or as usual he'll use one of his uncountable mumus followers to come and disturb my peace?
the above is absolute blasphemy. Are you trying to challenge God. Ordinary Elijah was mocked and a lion came out of the bush and swallowed the mocker. be careful.
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