Is Jesus Christ God?

I'm not desperate to disprove anything fool, I just try to understand why people believe in religion, christianity is the one I'm familiar with so that's why my comments are about it. You seem to think I'm muslim  lol, well f#ck mohammed insha allah, and yea f#ck your kike too. Just because you don't ask questions about what you're fed in your religion and I bring up these same questions you don't have answers to doesnt mean I have a guilty conscience,I'm just trying to understand. But since you of no help why don't you shut up and leave me alone. Prick in my conscience , more like you got a prick in your ass, f#cking fudge packer

I understand your concerns. It may seem strange indeed. . . until we see the circumstances surrounding His remarks to the Canaanite woman. Let's see:

      1. "why did jesus say he was not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel"

The reason is simple. Salvation is of the Jews (that is, it is offered from the Jewish people to all the nations of the world - John 4:22). The reason is as stated earlier: God promised to bless all the nations of the world through the patriarch Abraham and his covenant seed (Gen. 17:7 & 22:18). That does not mean that while the promise waited its fulfillment, the other nations were not under His care - for He verily cared for them as well (Acts 17:25 - "seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things").

However, God had His heart on the entire world rather than merely the Jews alone (John 3:16). For in sending His Son, it was needful that He first went to the same people with whom He had made the Abrahamic covenant before anyone else: "Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities" (Acts 3:26) - and this goes to establish the principle of "the Jew first, and then the Gentile" (see Rom. 1:16).

Upon the total rejection of Christ by the Jews, the grace of God was poured out to ALL - both Jews and Gentiles who would believe.


      2. "It seems absurd that JC as a God will compare the woman to a dog"

He was not comparing her to dogs. If we carefully study the ministry of Jesus, it is easy to see that many times He made remarks about certain people to stir the consciences of His audience. Let me illustrate it with myself as a woman:

         Actually, I'm a Greek - Syrophenician by nation (Mark 7:26). My nation (Canaanites) are at odds with the Jews.
         My need is desperate (my daughter is tormented). I've sought this Jewish Rabbi whose fame has gone out to all
         the regions (Matt. 4:24); but the stigma of my identity as a Canaanite is an obstacle in itself!

         Now when I finally found Jesus, He was among others who would quickly frown and gnarl at me! (cf. Mark 7:24
         . . .He "would have no man know it, but He could not be hid"). My heart pants. . should I turn back, or take the risk?

         Finally, I brace up, walked past the others (including His disciples) - and in a moment of utter abandon, I
         cried out: "Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil."

His first reaction was silence - "He answered her not a word" (Matt. 15:23). But that was not strange to me. No, not strange. Why? I knew Him. I knew enough about Him for me to have cried out in recognition that He was the "Son of David" and He was "Lord"! But there is something perculiar about the moments when He keeps silent. What is it? He was waiting for the reaction of the religious folks (mainly JEWISH) to see what they would both think and say of ME!

         So, I continued to implore Him. The disciples were now somewhat worried. . they could not stand my cries.
         Eventually, they approach Him on my behalf, "Send her away; for she crieth after us" (Matt. 15.23). Was
         that all they could offer - "send her away"? I even noticed one of my own townsman among His disciples - and
         I recognized him (Mark 3:18 - "Simon the Canaanite"), but not even he could offer anything more than send her away!
         But then, He made two remarkable statements I would never forget:
         (a) "I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel."


IDINRETE, I know telling you this would seem somewhat tedious, but oicture yourself in that woman's place at this instance. What would YOU do when you heard the first statement? You might as well easily give up and go home to your sick daughter. But if you KNEW Him, you would persist - and that is what she did!

         "Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me." (vs. 23).

And that was where He made the second remarkable statement: (b) "It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs" (vs. 26). Now, if you asked me as this woman what my reaction would be, I'd say this:

          As I watched Him, I realized He said that statement not to scorn me, or deride my own nation. Why so?
          For the simple reason that the religious Jews, who had prided themselves as the "children of God" had
          used that term (dogs) on those whom they considered 'cursed' for not knowing the Law or their God -
          (cf. John 7:49 - "But this people who knoweth not the law are cursed").

          So, when Jesus spoke those words, He was actually stirring the anger of the Jews themselves! He often did
          this to show how conceited they were in their own eyes! And in that understanding that He was not deriding
          me, I cried out proverbially as well: "Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs
          which fall from their masters' table." (vs. 27).

Above all this, let me come back to the point of His initial response - "silence". Why does He often react that way - even among the Jews? You'd remember that when another woman was accused by the Jews for adultery, His initial reaction was "silence" (John 8:6 - "Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not"). Again, in another instance, He sat quietly when yet another woman besought Him in Luke 7. All through as the woman wept, washed His feet with her hair, etc., Simon the pharisee was scowling in his heart agaisnt her. . . until Jesus spoke a parable to bring him round his own spiritual blindness.

- - -- -

What then was the point I'm trying to make? It is not so easy for many to see the point in Matthew 15. However, Jesus always made statements such as He did to that woman, not to deride her or condemn her nation - but to prick the consciences of the religious folks who thought they were the "children" and had the "bread"; but did not realize indeed that their PRIDE would be their undoing. How is this so?

Look at what Jesus later told the Jews who could NOT see nor acknowledge their own spiritual blindness: ""

Matt. 21:42-43
   "Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected,
   the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
   Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing
   forth the fruits thereof. "

Luke 13:28-29
   "There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob,
   and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out. And they shall come from
   the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom
   of God."

Jesus often used such ironies to warn the Jews, who in their esteemed privileges saw themselves as the children with the bread and all others were dogs! So, He used precisely the term that the Jews had used on others in addressing the woman; but the woman knew immediately that He was not deriding her - and that was why she answered in parables as well!! The response of the Lord was remarakable: "O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt" (Matt. 15:28).

In another instance, He spoke to Peter these words: "Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me" (Matt. 16:23). But we know (as did Peter) that He was not addressing His disciple directly, nor attacking him. Rather, Satan had tried to disguise a suggestion through Peter - and Christ spoke directly to the enemy.

In closing, let me note this:

Christians are also WARNED to be careful when deriding others! Sometimes, the words we use to slander or deride others may actually be the same words that reflect our own desperate spiritual need. When I put myself in that woman's passions, I knew exactly what the Lord meant - that's why it is that long (actually, it is part of my soon-to-be published book). I've actually interceded for someone in a desparate need like that - and her entirely life was TRANSFORMED! So, I know what that Canaanite woman went through.

The Lord Jesus is not denouncing anyone - He is rather inviting us to receive His grace. But be careful that a haughty spirit does not develop in the heart to slander and ridicle others, because we might actually be revealing our true condition (though unwittingly) -- see Romans 11:18-21.

Regards.

lol @ dios, you're such a predictable tool.

Simple argument and you are already revealing your classless and uncouth nature. Ah, these days so many people walk around with water between their ears struggling desperately to sound intelligent. It's not cutting it b. Thank God for pilgrim.1, you're not worth a waste of 2 minutes breath.

Who thinks you're a muslim? i don't have 2 seconds to waste thinking of what nonsense you believe in or not. I just ask that with the same vigour you want to disprove the existence of Jesus, maybe you can extend that to telling the muslims about the fraud called islam. Hypocritical cowards like you havent got the spunk to do nothing but hide behind christian threads to say nonsense.

Why don't you go tell the muslims off like you keep wasting breath to do hear? you think anyone is bothered whethered you believe or not?

there's no better way to identify individuals with cotton wool between their ears. 

is this all you have to say?  i'd never heard of adult hydrocephaly until i came across u.

aww the usual lame excuse. If acting like a male is all that nonsense you've been typing, those curse words, those uncouth and vulgar statements you have penned as posts and the verbal diarrhoea you have exhibited then i want to be a female for life.

@Pilgrim.1,

Paul confesses with his own mouth of lying in Romans 3 : 7 "For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?"

He had already confessed and admited lying.

If Paul was talking about truth why does he need too lie. Paul theory destroys the way of life that Jesus advocated which was the way of life of all the prophets and the children of Abramham.

Paul was not even appointed by the disciples of Jesus. He appointed himself. This is clear from Acts 1 : 23 ".
23: And they appointed two, Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias"

Paul was a gentile who never set eyes of Yashua (Jesus) and Jesus never laid hands of him.

Paul lied  Romans 3: 7 "For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie."

Paul create his own brand of religion based on belief and faith. Destroying the doctrine of Jesus (Yashua) which was based on Faith and works.

In Matthew 5: 17, 18 you will find what Jesus taught and I quote "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
18: For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

Mark 10 : 3 "And he answered and said unto them, What did Moses command you?"

Well @Pilgrim.1, you know that heaven and earth has not yet passed away and that the Laws have not being destroyed as Paul has lead the christian world to be-lie-eve.

ANd in John the son of Zebedee book John 1 : 17 Jesus said and I qoute " For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ."

Paul hated everything Jesus and the prophets really stood.

Don't believe me, do you own research on this.

Check it out for yourself.

Ever heard of the blessed trintity? God in three persons. Its the greatest mystery of christian faith. You either believe it or you don't. Its beyond human comprehension.

@Pilgrim.1,
If you are talking about truth, why was he talking about lying.

Saul (Paul) had early admited lying with his own mouth. To ignore this is ignorance "Romans 3 : 7
7: For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?"

Paul lied. He lied about the Damascus experience.

Jesus never laid eye or hands on Paul. Paul never saw Jesus.

Here, analyses this. This is where Paul lied Acts 9 : 7
" And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man."

Acts 22 : 7 - 9 Paul chages the story and contradicts himself.

"7: And I fell unto the ground, and heard a voice saying unto me, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
8: And I answered, Who art thou, Lord? And he said unto me, I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom thou persecutest.
9: And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me."

Paul first said that those with him heard a voice, here he changed it story.

Paul is a liar, he did not see Jesus, he is about to lie again, and further contradict himself.
The religion of christianity is based on the word of a man who lied to convince people.

Acts 26 : 14 Paul lies again "shining round about me and them which journeyed with me.
14: And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me"

In one place there see something then in another those with Paul saw nothing. Two different story is what we have here.

In one place they heard a voice, in another they heard nothing.

Paul lied another his story.


Don't believe me, check it out for yourselves.

A belief posted by Pilgrim.1 on the 16.08.07 @ 19.40 Hrs.


Here, analyses this. This is where Paul lied Acts 9 : 7
" And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man."

Acts 22 : 7 - 9 Paul chages the story and contradicts himself.

"7: And I fell unto the ground, and heard a voice saying unto me, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
8: And I answered, Who art thou, Lord? And he said unto me, I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom thou persecutest.
9: And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me."

Paul first said that those with him heard a voice, then here he changed his story.

Paul is a liar, he did not see Jesus, he is about to lie again, and further contradict himself a third time.
The religion of christianity is based on the words of a man who had too lie to convince people.

Acts 26 : 14 Paul lies again "shining round about me and them which journeyed with me.
14: And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me"

Paul contradicted himself three times.

Ok, Mrs Pilgrim.1 what is a lie?

John 8 : 44 "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."

Mrs Pilgrim.1 Paul lied and he admited it, nobody forced him, he said it with his own mouth.
Roman 3 : 7 "For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory"

Mrs Pilgrim.1, Paul lied to promote God, does your God need you to lie to make him look bigger than he is?

What is a lie? Why did Paul change his story three times about the road to Damascus story (fiction)?

In one story those that were with him (Paul) stood still (Acts 9: 7), and in another story they all fell to the ground (Acts 26 : 14).

Paul contradicted himself again when he said that in one place that those that were with him heard something, but in another place he said they all heard nothing.

Also there all saw something (Acts 22 : 9) in one story, then Paul changes his story and say they saw no man in (Act 9 : 7).

Paul lied to destroy everything Yashua (Jesus) really stood for.

Don't believe me, check things out again, if you say you are following Jesus.

Instead of believing Paul someone who lied to get your loyalty and convince people. Paul Never followed the laws that Jesus followed He sought to destroyed it. Paul followed and taught the ways and doctrine of the Pharisees, Sadduces and Zealots.

Matthew 5 : 18 Jesus said "Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled"

Well, Mrs Pilgrim.1 Has heaven and earth passed away yet?

Jesus went aroun telling people to keep the laws of Moses, John 1 : 17 and I quote in Parts " For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ."

Mark 10 : 3 "And he answered and said unto them, What did Moses command you?"

Jesus continued to tell people to keep the commandment of EL ELOH Mark 3 : 19 and I quote "Thou knowest the commandments, "

All the law of El Eloh are Pure and perfect. Hosea 8 : 1 ": Set the trumpet to thy mouth. He shall come as an eagle against the house of the LORD, because they have transgressed my covenant, and trespassed against my law."

Hosea 8: 12 "12: I have written to him the great things of my law, but they were counted as a strange thing."

Hosea 4: 6 Thoust say the Most High, El Eloh " My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children."

The scripture is talking about Right Knowledge, which leads to Right Wisdom which gives us a Right Overstanding.

This is something Paul could not understand not to mention overstand, because he (Paul) belonged to a group of people called Pharisees, sadduces and Zealots.

Jesus (Yashua) of 2000 thousand years ago warned people about these type of people in Matthew 16 :12 and I quote ": Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees."

Don't believe me, consider and check it out for yourself.

May God forgive u all calling jesus christ "GOD", He is God and he was nailed on the cross(or whatever) and killed by humans, Why don't u search well(do ur thinking) and stop been the sons of ur fathers, U could ve been born into another faith,would u ve just followed  suits or find out where the real truth lies.

Think about this all of y'all, God is "who he is", u can't comprehend him

Its been nice reading all your thoughts,both sides are equally competent in presenting what they believe or have been made to believe.First and foremost i am a muslim,i say this so that both sides could form an opinion about me before you even start to read this.
God,the creator of all seen and unseen is not the GOD of a single person,faith,belief or community.Both sides can either believe it or choose not to,its a right.
The Holy Prophet Muhammad[peace be on Him] said that 'at the birth of a child,he or she is born in a perfect state.It is the parents and society that influences the child to be a christian or muslim or any other faith.He further said ''if this child is left alone without any outside influence,such child will find his own true path to God''.think about it.
Its is not only christians and or muslims alone that would be admitted to paradise or hell.God will not judge you by your faith or religion,He will only Judge through your deeds,thoughts and actions!
Now to the issue of whether Jesus is God.there are some attributes that are peculiar to God alone, 1.God cannot be confined to a particular place,He is everywhere thus He is the creator of everything,and the God of everything but there is a thing line between worshipping something else as your God and worshipping God actually.Anything that takes mans time and heart away Form God could easily be your god!be it your wife,husband and even work.so be careful.
People worship God because they fear his hellfire and some others worship him because they want to be in paradise,less people worship him because they love Him,there would be less people worshipping God if there were no hell or paradise.
people wake up and see that God is not your own God alone,all the comments people made in this tread stems from the fact that we are deply divide by our religion and we don't love each other. i can clearly see the ego of ' i am better than him' or 'we are better than them' holier than thou attitude.
the  real TRUTH will come to each one of us at the point of Death,when you will Know who God really is!So find God before Death finds UREMEMBER God is nearer to man than his jugular vein,even if you Do not see Him yet HE sees YOU!
         ''Do not only believe in your own faith or religion so as to disbelieve in others,for the way God appear to   you,     
He does not appear to other people that way''
wake up,all!!!

Hi trukoments,

Actually, genuine Christians will not be "admitted" to Hell. Just needed to point that out so that issues are not misapplied.

Cheers. 

A belief posted by Pilgrim
 
You can act ignorant as much as you want. Paul lied to convert you.

Romans 3 : 7
7: For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory;

Imagine, this is the sort of person you people give your loyalty too, someone who added to lied many times to get your loyalty.

Don't believe me, we are in the information age so check it up for yourself.

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=Paul+the+antichrist%2C+Paul+the+liar&meta=

Why did Paul change his story of Damascus more than three times?
He changed his story because he was a liar?

@All
What is a lie? John 8: 44

Many so called christians (anti christ) today don't know the difference between falsehood and a lie!

To all you anti-christian following the teachings of Paul What is a lie? Do you people know what a lie is?
Why does Pauls lies sit well with you?

John 8: 44
"Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."

Thank you again for the slanders.

Indeed, I'm a Christian - and very happy and peaceful in my heart. I haven't been shy to declare what has made meaning in my life; whereas, all the time I asked you if you believe in what you post, you have simply evaded that question and kept ducking it. Are you that restless that you don't even know what your problems are any more? The one thing I notice about slanderers is that they have no peace and are often very virulent.

If that has become your adventure, thank you once again - and please yourself as much as you may in doing so.  

Mrs P, Why do you love playing ignorant.

I already answered  your question several times, but you have continually shown a lack of understanding.

Believe is ignorance.

Who do you believe will be the next president of Nigeria?

Believe is something you do when you don't know what you are talking about. am I getting through too you?

Believe is something you do when you are not sure of what you are talking about. Overstand!

Be-lie-eve is Be-lieing to-Eve or Be-lieing to the descendant of-Eve.

 Which is who you black people all over the world are. Those black people you see in the Bronx, New York, Georgia, Hackney (London), Brixton, Lagos,Accra, Freetown etc, etc. These are the descendants of Eve, and you are guilty of lying too them.

John 8 : 32 Jesus never told people to be-lie-to-eve.

": And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."

Mrs P, Do you know the difference between be-lie-eve and to know?

Here are some Definitions of know on the Web:

be cognizant or aware of a fact or a specific piece of information; possess knowledge or information about; "I know that the President lied to the people"; "I want to know who is winning the game!"; "I know it's time"

know how to do or perform something; "She knows how to knit"; "Does your husband know how to cook?"

be aware of the truth of something; have a belief or faith in something; regard as true beyond any doubt; "I know that I left the key on the table"; "Galileo knew that the earth moves around the sun"

be familiar or acquainted with a person or an object; "She doesn't know this composer"; "Do you know my sister?"; "We know this movie"; "I know him under a different name"; "This flower is known as a Peruvian Lily"
have firsthand knowledge of states, situations, emotions, or sensations; "I know the feeling!"; "have you ever known hunger?"; "I have lived a kind of hell when I was a drug addict"; "The holocaust survivors have lived a nightmare"; "I lived through two divorces"

acknowledge: accept (someone) to be what is claimed or accept his power and authority; "The Crown Prince was acknowledged as the true heir to the throne"; "We do not recognize your gods"

have fixed in the mind; "I know Latin"; "This student knows her irregular verbs"; "Do you know the poem well enough to recite it?"
roll in the hay: have sexual intercourse with; "This student sleeps with everyone in her dorm"; "Adam knew Eve"; "Were you ever intimate with this man?"
know the nature or character of; "we all knew her as a big show-off"

be able to distinguish, recognize as being different; "The child knows right from wrong"
the fact of being aware of information that is known to few people; "he is always in the know"

perceive as familiar; "I know this voice!"
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

Knowledge is the awareness and understanding of facts, truths or information gained in the form of experience or learning (a posteriori), or through introspection (a priori). Knowledge is an appreciation of the possession of interconnected details which, in isolation, are of lesser value.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Know