Is Jesus Christ God?

Thank you for the definition. Let me use them again in asking you the same thing:

"Believe" on the Web means:

   

• accept as true

• take to be true

Now, concerning what YOU 'Kuns' have been posting all along,

    do you "accept as true" the things you have been posting?

    or. .

    do you "take it to be true" regarding what you have been posting?

Cheers.

I didn't ask you if you believed in Paul.

I asked if you believed in what YOU have been posting all along.

If what YOU have been posting all along is "falsehood", then it is clear as to why you love to slander others.

And that is what Paul meant in Rom. 3:8 --

   "And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,)
    Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just."

I never asked YOU Kuns to believe in Paul. You may go on slandering him if it makes you feel happier. But my question was simple:

 Do you believe in your own posts?

Now back to the main subject is Jesus God.

JESUS AND ZEUS - JESUS IS ZEUS

That statement is enough to call forth the stoners to take aim, yet it is a provable fact. And Jesus is indeed Zeus, then that opens to us the whole world of mythology in which to seek, that we may find the secret of life itself. Let's look at the evidence, and you decide.

When Jesus was born, the wicked King Herod was killing all the children because he was afraid that Jesus would overthrow his kingdom. When Zeus was born, his wicked father Kronos was swallowing the newborns because he was afraid that Zeus was going to overthrow his Kingdom.

Jesus was taken to Egypt to escape Herod. Zeus was taken to crete to escape from Kronos.

To be continued , 

Do your own reseach on Greek mythology which predates christianity and you will find many similarities within the two. Is this a coincidence.

Zeus had a son called Hercules who was half man half God who was suppose to come and save the whole world.

Jesus was the son of God half man half god who was suppose to come and save the whole world.

See the similarities?

Don't believe me check it up for yourself

To be continued , 

Do your own reseach on Greek mythology which predates christianity and you will find many similarities within the two. Is this a coincidence.

Pilgrim,
I can see that you have a fight-to- finish spirit. I like it. Very nice but you nd to consider some things. No one can explain the spiritual seamlessly. There is so much mystery inherent in Christainity that man’s intellect no matter how vast can comprehend. That’s why the bible says “, how unsearchable are his ways, and his paths pat finding out…” The truth of the matter is this, o matter how hard you try to convince a man whose heart is mad up by engaging him him in an intellectual battle, he will always find a place to attack you espcially since you were not the one who wrote the bible and more especially, translations have created so much distortions of the originally intended meaning of many passages. Its actually a result of the limitation of the English language as well as a language limitation of the scholars who did the translation. They will always find errors. That is sure. There are however very obvious and indisputable truths that form the bedrock of our salvation as christains. The birth of Christ and his death and the release of the Holy Spirit of God who now in-dwells us.
These things are enigmatic and very esoteric to be comprehendable by the natural man. It takes the Spirit of God to do arrests and convictions of hearts. Lok at what Jesus said in John 12:
46  I have come as a light into the world, that whoever believes in me may not remain in the darkness.
47  If anyone listens to my sayings, and doesn't believe, I don't judge him. For I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
48  He who rejects me, and doesn't receive my sayings, has one who judges him. The word that I spoke, the same will judge him in the last day.
49  For I spoke not from myself, but the Father who sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
50  I know that his commandment is eternal life. The things therefore which I speak, even as the Father has said to me, so I speak.”
Let me address one of Kuns concerns about Rms 3:7. For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory;
Kuns, I believe you are reading this portion out of context. For greater comprehension permit me to show other verses in the same chapter of Romans 3:
4  God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
5  But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man)
6  God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?
7  For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?
8  And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.
9  What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
10  As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Paul was saying that we men have all missed it bcause we are inherently evil just like what is in the world today where no body teaches a kid to lie, he wakes up one morning and starts lying , fighting, and doing many wrong things without being taught. Why? Bcause his heart is naturally evil. This follows from what God said about man that prompted him to destroy the first world in Genesis 6:5  And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. It was in this refrence that paul was saying, all men are liars and God the only true (righteous) one. Verse 10 of Rms 3 then throws more light by saying 10  As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: . Vers 23 goes on to say  For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; including the child born yesterday, not because h has sinned but because he inherited sin.
Put short, Paul was not saying he had to lie to convert people to christainity. That would be outrageous my dear Kuns.

Back to som other issus raised by Kuns.


Kuns, Christ did not say you should be circumsised in that scripture. That scripture actually implies that He was actually circumcised by His parents. This was done to fulfil tradition from th law of Moses and had a spiritual undertone from the old tstament (OT). The OT is actaully a shadow of things to come in the New Testament (NT). While they were circumcised of the flesh during those days, Gods intention was to have their heart (spirit man and not literal heart) circumcised (purged, cleaned) of the foreskin (the inherited sin and guilt) in the new order of things.  See Jeremiah 4:4  Circumcise yourselves to the LORD, and take away the foreskins of your heart, ye men of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem: lest my fury come forth like fire, and burn that none can quench it, because of the evil of your doings.

All what Paul tried to do was to tell you that as a result of the new order of things, if you do not get circumcised physically, it amounts to nothing since what is mor important is the spiritual circumsition. This affirms what was in th old testament.  Also see Jeremiah 9:25  Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will punish all them which are circumcised with the uncircumcised;

So also all the "seeming" contraditions painted by you Kuns have deep spiritual meanings. I can always give you the meanings of this but i am not keen to going back and forth leading to prolonged arguments.

I hope i hav been able to contribute a useful piece no matter how terse.
Lets be civil in addressing ourselves as a point of note. love you all.

Regards,

cgift,


Matthew 5: 17, 18
"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
18: For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled"

Christ did not come to destroy the law of the prophet, Paul did.

Jesus said " Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled". Well, heaven and earth have not yet passed? Paul teaches the opposite. See Romans 3: 1 and I quote in parts "what profit is there of circumcision? "

Cgift, if you call yourself a christian (follower of christ) whose examples should you follow Yashua's (Jesus) or Paul's.

Cgift, do not be deceived the new order of things is Paul preaching his own gospel, not the one Abramham, Moses, Jesus, Peter, John, Barnabas called Simeon, Elijah followed. Paul create his own religion.1 Corinthians 15: 1 "Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, "

Moreover Paul Lied to convert People and promote the glory of God. Romans 3: 7 "For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; "

Now Mr cgift, what did the bible say about lies.

Mr cgift what is a lie?

 See John 8 : 44. " Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. "

Most christians today are following Paul the Liar, and their religion should be called Paulism.

Paul lied about Damascus also. The problem is that most christians will make terrible Judges of Character, as they cannot tell the difference between falsehood and truth, even when it stares them in the face.

Because you have been lead to believe a lie for so long does not make it true. Also christians don't know how to analyses the bible.


Mr cgift, Paul lied ,  and please don't try and sugar coat the liar.

He admitted it with his own mouth. A lie is a lie!

Romans 3: 7 "For if the truth of God hath more abounded[b] through my lie unto his glory[/b]; "

And the end of the day your Jesus has not yet come back, while many religious priests are molesting children and Africa is still and the bottom of the pile when it comes to world affairs, so I have no time to sugar-coat the facts.

Yes. He is God. In him dwelt th fullness of God. What else do you want.
God  = Jesus + nothing
     

May i ask deariekay who is God to you and who is Christ to you?

Jesus Christ is a man like you and me!

And if he is god then he doesn't as well exist!

If his love is really unfailing then he should love me no matter what.

If your god is never changing then he should remain the same.

Our being alive or dead should not in any way influence his judgement.

Your xtians are full of contraddictions!

How could Jesus be God when he himself said that he can do nothing except of the father?

Taking into consideration that Jesus was born of a woman then his mother who birth him would have to be God?

Yes, all men including Jesus come into the world through a woman, and the woman has the XX chromosome the more superior Gene having everything a man has genetically and all functional then the woman by scientific reasoning refutes the biblical notion that Jesus (a mythological charater, mystic, spook, Albino, Pale skinned, Straight Hair, Ghost - Spirit God) religious Belief.

The True Yashus meaning Saviour was Tutankhamun?
He was the true Massai (Messiah) of 2000 thousand years ago. What has happened is that his (Tutankhamun) life has been plagarised by mixing it with Greek and Roman mythology (J- SUS, Z-eus, Cassi-us, Brut-us) including other Ancient black, Negroid, Woolly hair, people from Anicent Tamare precepts, this wasn't even the oldest Name for Africa and the people refered to as pre-dynastic Egyptians, the negroid.

This is only for those you want to name the true source of their origin.

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=Tutankhamun+Jesus&meta=

It doesn't make sense accepting the White mans idea of God without personal and further investigation. The Cauasian race had to create this lie (beLIEf) to give themselves a place in HIS-STORY.

Our story has never been told.

The White Jesus Sun of God CON-cept does not make illogical sense since the genelogy of the white Jesus spook God does not match that of black people, who have woolly hair and Brown and Black- brown skin.

It is a curse that has been placed on our people which make us worship something other than self and kind. Something that does not look like you and tries to be like you.

We have been taught to look at tings from a biblical mind and everything has to fit into the bible notion of existence.

These are not my facts this is what the white people are saying, Scientist, Archeologist, Eyptologist, His-story. There is more information in the planet than there has been in the last 50 years. We couldn't be talking about this 30 years ago.

The true lies in those sciptures from which the biblical stories were plagarised. This is our-story which is a My-stery (Mystery), but many of our people are waking up. For we are in an era of in-formation, and time of Right Knowledge when false things must perish, and the truht be known based on evidence, experience and sound reasoning instead of Biblical mythology, Belief (superstition) and believe (myth and tale).

If Jesus was God why was he begging for the cup to pass him by?

Does this look like someone who wants to come back and save you?

It Crazy wait for someone to come out of the clouds to come and save you and it's super crazy for black people to be waiting for a white man to come out of the cloud to save them.

Believe is not knowing or accept something of the basis of feel good. That's how the spell of sleep, Kingu, leviathan,which is known by many name including Ignorance, worshipping that don't look like you.

Waking up all re-search to find your truth origins?







 

Jesus himself said that he can do nothing except of the father.

So how can Jesus be God the father, when he said that he can do nothing except through the father than sent him, Hmmmm?

But who said that Jesus was God the Father?

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@cgift,

Thank you for yours.