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Question: Are the Igbos and the Fulanis Same race?
Same Race - 1 (16.7%)
Different Race - 5 (83.3%)
I thought they're same race, but now i'm confused - 0 (0%)
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Vicjustice (m)
Racism In Nigeria Than Outside Nigeria
« on: July 17, 2007, 09:53 PM »

Most people seem to turn their fingers toward white people when talking about racism and racists. We seem not to realise that in the real sense, white people are much fairer to us than our fellow black people.
  This brings me to the understanding that there is actual racism in Nigeria: but we don't see it as racism because we classify the behaviours into a wrong category.
  For example, some Yoruba families often would not let their daughters get into marriages with Igbo men, most Igbo families would not encourage an inter-marriage with the Huasas, most Hausa families would often not accept inter-marriages with either Yorubas or Igbos, and the same applies with the minorities in Nigeria: Even among the Igbos, there is this intense degree of tribal prejudice: for example, an Anambra man disregard an Owerri woman and might not want anything serious with her, worst still, there is this barbaric cultural practice that distinguish some certain tribes known as Osu in isolated margin (that's if i'm accurate).
  Many people are also refused or denied social opportunities for reason of their races or backgrounds, but we don't seem to mind these developments, we only accuse white people of racism when we're refused or denied some benefits.
  Now, talking about the grudges and ill-feelings, can we see that there's prejudice in Nigeria, and that we suffer racism from fellow Nigerians than from white people?
Siena
Re: Racism In Nigeria Than Outside Nigeria
« #1 on: July 17, 2007, 10:24 PM »

Yes, ther's a lot of racial / tribal discontent in Nigeria.  Sad

It's worse than white racism, afterall, the difference between black and white is clear, what's a black man's excuse for being tribalistic / racist towards his fellow Nigerian / Africans?  Sad
naijaway (m)
Re: Racism In Nigeria Than Outside Nigeria
« #2 on: July 17, 2007, 10:49 PM »

Is not really true because there is alot of marriages every month with people of different tribes in Nigeria; Mind u am not disregarding the fact that some form of discrimination doesn't happen but we are not the most racist.
The problem is lack of education, lack of innovation, sticking to old traditions that served as a purpose back then but does not have a place today, the traditional rulers being a catalyst to development, low level of law and order, intimidations at all levels, plain stupidity, and a lack of general vision from some people.
  I always say if America and Europe can do it by living together ethnically, racially, peacefully, and have a common value; then Nigeria and majority of Africa should and must live that way because it only makes us stonger and is also advantageous for the future generations. If we can copy all the bad things they made and implemented then we should be able to copy the good things and take it to a level even they never knew.
blonde1 (f)
Re: Racism In Nigeria Than Outside Nigeria
« #3 on: July 18, 2007, 10:55 AM »

@Vicjustice,

This thread should go to the Racism/Tribalism forum and I hope Seun will move it there. You'll get there probably answers from African Americans, who will disagree with you and ferociously argue that all black people are one, for this is what is now trendy among AAs and it's called Afrocentrism.

I know what you talk about. I spent most of my life in Europe and I know that different European nations have grudges against each other, like British not liking French, but these dislikes are nothing compared to our tribalism. (I'm not Nigerian, but I know the issue). For Europeans marrying a person from other European nation, or doing business with them, or employing them is not an issue at all, even if they tell jokes about other countries. And the fact that they can cooperate like this is one of the reasons why they are rich.
superman (m)
Re: Racism In Nigeria Than Outside Nigeria
« #4 on: July 18, 2007, 01:08 PM »

well i think me be 1 black 2 africa 3 nigerian 4 superman

1 whoever or one simply dnt understand what racism is!

your conviction or definition can only suit your context; na u sabi

they just dnt know!

talk is always cheap. be careful

talkin about ibo or hausa not lettin u marry their queen with your ulgy face not too sure if that measures up as racism because a real victim might shoot u
Vicjustice (m)
Re: Racism In Nigeria Than Outside Nigeria
« #5 on: July 18, 2007, 08:10 PM »

Naijaway, sure, there are lots of intermarriages, but yet, there are considerable number of people who say "over my dead body" for that to happen
Armed-Lion (m)
Re: Racism In Nigeria Than Outside Nigeria
« #6 on: July 23, 2007, 07:04 PM »

intermarriages does not represent the absence of racism or tribalism
Mustay (m)
Re: Racism In Nigeria Than Outside Nigeria
« #7 on: July 24, 2007, 06:00 AM »

itz tribalism not racism
Vicjustice (m)
Re: Racism In Nigeria Than Outside Nigeria
« #8 on: July 24, 2007, 08:42 AM »

Quote from: Mustay on July 24, 2007, 06:00 AM
itz tribalism not racism

Com'on, you can understand better than this. Well, most Nigerians mistake Racism for Tribalism, though. We only mind the primary definition of racism as something relating to white and black and we undermind some secondary definitions.
  Racism doesn't just consist of issues of colours, it deeply consist of matters among people of same colours but different back-ground of origin. For example, the German race, the Greek race, the Roman race, Jewish race etc.
  Tribalism consists of issues among people of same race, but different tribes. You can not say that the difference between the Ibos and the Housas is tribe, that would be wrong.  Let me enlighten you. Talking about Igbo for instance, it is a race of it's own, and in this race, there are tribes: therefore, if an Igbo person have prejudice with fellow Igbos for reason of his origin back-ground, such issue could be referred to as tribalism. But if an Igbo man is prejudiced against a Hausa man for reason of his origin, this is RACISM.
   Remember the twelve tribes of Israel? They were all born of one father, and yet, their offsprings were/are classified into tribes.
   Take some examples: An English man would accuse Germany of racism toward them, are they not all whites? Adolph Hitler was a racist toward Polish people, are they not whites?
   So, my dear, the problem in Nigeria is racism, not tribalism, tribalism is an issue among people of the same race. What about the Oduduwa race?
Vicjustice (m)
Re: Racism In Nigeria Than Outside Nigeria
« #9 on: July 24, 2007, 08:55 AM »

Quote from: Mustay on July 24, 2007, 06:00 AM
itz tribalism not racism

  Be a good friend of your dictionary Smiley.
  If the difference between Igbo and Hausa is "tribe", what then is the difference between an Onitsha man and an Oweri man; also, what's the defference between an Ijebu man and an Abeokuta man?
Checkout this definitions for RACE from Merriam Webster online dictionary at:  http://www.thefreedictionary.com/race
1. A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics.
2. A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race.
3. A genealogical line; a lineage.
4. Humans considered as a group.
5. Biology
a. An interbreeding, usually geographically isolated population of organisms differing from other populations of the same species in the frequency of hereditary traits. A race that has been given formal taxonomic recognition is known as a subspecies.
b. A breed or strain, as of domestic animals.
6. A distinguishing or characteristic quality, such as the flavor of a wine.

More definition for RACE
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary
Main Entry: 3race
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle French, generation, from Old Italian razza
1 : a breeding stock of animals
2 a : a family, tribe, people, or nation belonging to the same stock b : a class or kind of people unified by shared interests, habits, or characteristics <the English race>
3 a : an actually or potentially interbreeding group within a species; also : a taxonomic category (as a subspecies) representing such a group b : BREED c : a category of humankind that shares certain distinctive physical traits
4 obsolete : inherited temperament or disposition
5 : distinctive flavor, taste, or strength
superman (m)
Re: Racism In Nigeria Than Outside Nigeria
« #10 on: July 25, 2007, 04:49 PM »

u think ? through ur slavery mentality! maybe, just maybe
Troubleone
Re: Racism In Nigeria Than Outside Nigeria
« #11 on: August 22, 2007, 08:52 PM »

Racism o, trabalism o, all sort of prejudice are unfair.
superman (m)
Re: Racism In Nigeria Than Outside Nigeria
« #12 on: August 23, 2007, 12:19 AM »

hmm not too sure?

still me

god bless nigeria!
BABEELOVE (f)
Re: Racism In Nigeria Than Outside Nigeria
« #13 on: August 23, 2007, 12:32 AM »

Quote from: Troubleone on August 22, 2007, 08:52 PM
Most Nigerian would never agree that it's RACISM because our English is poor. Let me ask a question that will help in identifying the word for it:
 What is the difference between the English people and the Russian people, is it tribe or race?
 Of course it's RACE.
 So, Forget about the geographical mapping: what's the difference between the Edo people and the Fulani people, TRIBE or RACE?
 What about the difference between Calabar people and Senegalese people, TRIBE or RACE?

TRIBE IS AMONG PEOPLE OF THE SAME RACE. FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE YORUBA RACE, THERE ARE TRIBES LIKE IJEBU, ONDO, OYO, ETC. THE YORUBA PEOPLE ARE ENTIRELY DIFFERENT RACE FROM THE ZULU PEOPLE. BUT THEY ARE ALL BLACKS.
 THERE'S RACISM IN NIGERIA, ASK ANYONE WHO STUDIED SOCIOLOGY (OR ANTHROPOLOGY)

Interesting!  Is it possible that people within a given race can practice racism?  I thought racism meant one race against another?  Somebody please help me here.  The last time I checked, I do not think we have naturalized caucascians or hispanics in Nigeria.  So which type of racism do we have in Nigeria???
Troubleone
Re: Racism In Nigeria Than Outside Nigeria
« #14 on: August 23, 2007, 11:12 AM »

i'm not sure you read my post carefully, many nigerians are not willing to accept that there are many definitions for Race, much deeper that the issue of Black and White. I totally agree with the post that there is racism in nigeria than outside nigeria.

ITS LOGICAL THAT RACE IS NOT ONLY "BLACK AND WHITE" THERE ARE OTHER BRANCHES OF RACE.
Quote from: Troubleone on August 22, 2007, 08:52 PM
Most Nigerian would never agree that it's RACISM because our English is poor. Let me ask a question that will help in identifying the word for it:
 What is the difference between the English people and the Russian people, is it tribe or race?
 Of course it's RACE.
 So, Forget about the geographical mapping: what's the difference between the Edo people and the Fulani people, TRIBE or RACE?
 What about the difference between Calabar people and Senegalese people, TRIBE or RACE?

TRIBE IS AMONG PEOPLE OF THE SAME RACE. FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE YORUBA RACE, THERE ARE TRIBES LIKE IJEBU, ONDO, OYO, ETC. THE YORUBA PEOPLE ARE ENTIRELY DIFFERENT RACE FROM THE ZULU PEOPLE. BUT THEY ARE ALL BLACKS.
 THERE'S RACISM IN NIGERIA, ASK ANYONE WHO STUDIED SOCIOLOGY (OR ANTHROPOLOGY)

FROM THE POSTER
 
Quote from: Vicjustice on July 24, 2007, 08:55 AM
  Be a good friend of your dictionary Smiley.
  If the difference between Igbo and Hausa is "tribe", what then is the difference between an Onitsha man and an Oweri man; also, what's the defference between an Ijebu man and an Abeokuta man?
Checkout this definitions for RACE from Merriam Webster online dictionary at:  http://www.thefreedictionary.com/race
1. A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics.
2. A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race.
3. A genealogical line; a lineage.
4. Humans considered as a group.
5. Biology
a. An interbreeding, usually geographically isolated population of organisms differing from other populations of the same species in the frequency of hereditary traits. A race that has been given formal taxonomic recognition is known as a subspecies.
b. A breed or strain, as of domestic animals.
6. A distinguishing or characteristic quality, such as the flavor of a wine.

More definition for RACE
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary
Main Entry: 3race
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle French, generation, from Old Italian razza
1 : a breeding stock of animals
2 a : a family, tribe, people, or nation belonging to the same stock b : a class or kind of people unified by shared interests, habits, or characteristics <the English race>
3 a : an actually or potentially interbreeding group within a species; also : a taxonomic category (as a subspecies) representing such a group b : BREED c : a category of humankind that shares certain distinctive physical traits
4 obsolete : inherited temperament or disposition
5 : distinctive flavor, taste, or strength

$$Rhino
Re: Racism In Nigeria Than Outside Nigeria
« #15 on: August 23, 2007, 12:11 PM »

It is called tribalism, and you can't realy say it is some ibos not allowing kids to marry yoruba or vice versa, even within the tribe of yoruba, some family will not let their kid marry some family, infact, sometimes, i think the parents goes too far, but at same time, sometimes, they have thei reasons, some of the reasons that makes me sick, is when they think about how much of elite they are and don't want u to marry a family that aint that rich, if you see a babe that is not from a rich family and your child love that babe, why don't you use your ownmoney and influence to tush her up, although, sometimes, you can dress a pig well, but will still go and dance in the mud, so it is kind of hard conclussion, but the parents just gotta give their kids chance to chose and be happy, sometimes, better to let the person make the mistake, because they will learn better from it
Vicjustice (m)
Re: Racism In Nigeria Than Outside Nigeria
« #16 on: August 23, 2007, 12:47 PM »

Quote from: $$Rhino on August 23, 2007, 12:11 PM
It is called tribalism, and you can't realy say it is some ibos not allowing kids to marry yoruba or vice versa, even within the tribe of yoruba, some family will not let their kid marry some family, infact, sometimes, i think the parents goes too far, but at same time, sometimes, they have thei reasons, some of the reasons that makes me sick, is when they think about how much of elite they are and don't want u to marry a family that aint that rich, if you see a babe that is not from a rich family and your child love that babe, why don't you use your ownmoney and influence to tush her up, although, sometimes, you can dress a pig well, but will still go and dance in the mud, so it is kind of hard conclussion, but the parents just gotta give their kids chance to chose and be happy, sometimes, better to let the person make the mistake, because they will learn better from it

I deliberately started this thread because i want to enlighten us on the knowledge of the category of the manner of discriminations in Nigeria. I know that most Nigerians call it TRIBALISM, but that's a big foul language, it's indeed RACISM. I once asked an Italian mate if the Italians and the Portuguese are same race, and his answer was interesting: "No way, we're entirely different race" he remarked.
  I've asked you guys questions which none has yet answered. The question is:
  If the difference between Igbos and Hausas is "TRIBE", what then is the difference between an Oweri man and an Enugu man?
   But apart from what you already think you know about Race, have you guys really seen the dictionary for the definition of RACE?
   The word race is not our language, it's European: it derived from the Italian word, RAZA (which means, Family breed or origin). The European would consider it stupid to say that all white people are one race.
   TRIBE could be defined as the social devision in which people of same race are categorized. Remember the 12 tribes of Israel even though they were born of one father.
BABEELOVE (f)
Re: Racism In Nigeria Than Outside Nigeria
« #17 on: August 23, 2007, 09:49 PM »

Racism in Nigeria=prejudice against one's self and his own negroid neighbours!  I guess you can say there is racism inside Nigeria then.  Outside Nigeria--I can believe that.  Too many races out there competing for survival. So I guess you have a point! Kiss
toshmann (m)
Re: Racism In Nigeria Than Outside Nigeria
« #18 on: August 24, 2007, 02:38 AM »

i agree that there is racism in nigeria. and indeed in every nation on earth.

http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-17201.0.html



but what i refuse to accept is that racism in nigeria is worse than that outside nigeria. nobody in nigeria ever converted another to a slave on grounds of his race. let no oyibo apologist come here to make us feel equated in guilt as they should be if they have conscience
Vicjustice (m)
Re: Racism In Nigeria Than Outside Nigeria
« #19 on: August 24, 2007, 08:59 AM »

I'm glad many people knew, and others are beginning to understand that what they called Tribalism is indeed RACISM: This is my purpose of starting this thread.
  I started this thread because i wanted to bring to the awareness of Nigerians that what they refere to as Tribalism is indeed RACISM.
  We are a people of about 150 million, with over 200 languages and divers dialects, we have different characteristics and lacking resemblance except that we're blacks, and more still, we have different roots of origins: isn't it ridiculous that most Nigerians think that the difference between these ethnic groups is Tribe? Of course, it's RACE
  I'll continue to bring into light that Race is not just the colours of the skin, remember that the Aborigines in Australia have black skins, but that doesn't make them the same race as the Urhobo people.
londoner
Re: Racism In Nigeria Than Outside Nigeria
« #20 on: August 24, 2007, 12:30 PM »

So then, an English man and a Scottish man are from different races?

If it is that there is only racism and not tribalism, then I gather you are saying that there is no such thing as a tribe?

The Italian man you speak of may well see himself and a Portuguese person as belonging different races, but I doubt an English man will see himself as belonging to a different race from a Welsh man or even  French man.

Also If you asked that same man if he thought himself of a different race to other groups of Italians he may not see it the same way. It seems that tribe and race can be interchangeable on many levels.


This definition of tribe seems to also adequately describe what we refer the word to. Both definitions of tribe and race seem to fit as far as I can see.

1. A unit of sociopolitical organization consisting of a number of families, clans, or other groups who share a common ancestry and culture and among whom leadership is typically neither formalized nor permanent.
2. A political, ethnic, or ancestral division of ancient states and cultures, especially:a. Any of the three divisions of the ancient Romans, namely, the Latin, Sabine, and Etruscan.
b. Any of the 12 divisions of ancient Israel.
c. A phyle of ancient Greece.
3. A group of people sharing an occupation, interest, or habit: a tribe of graduate students.
4. Informal A large family.
5. Biology A taxonomic category placed between a subfamily and a genus or between a suborder and a family and usually containing several genera.


Vicjustice (m)
Re: Racism In Nigeria Than Outside Nigeria
« #21 on: August 24, 2007, 02:51 PM »

@Londoner, i see you didn't read other posts, here's one bellow:
Quote from: Vicjustice on July 24, 2007, 08:42 AM
Com'on, you can understand better than this. Well, most Nigerians mistake Racism for Tribalism, though. We only mind the primary definition of racism as something relating to white and black and we undermind some secondary definitions.
  Racism doesn't just consist of issues of colours, it deeply consist of matters among people of same colours but different back-ground of origin. For example, the German race, the Greek race, the Roman race, Jewish race etc.
  Tribalism consists of issues among people of same race, but different tribes. You can not say that the difference between the Ibos and the Housas is tribe, that would be wrong.  Let me enlighten you. Talking about Igbo for instance, it is a race of it's own, and in this race, there are tribes: therefore, if an Igbo person have prejudice with fellow Igbos for reason of his origin back-ground, such issue could be referred to as tribalism. But if an Igbo man is prejudiced against a Hausa man for reason of his origin, this is RACISM.
   Remember the twelve tribes of Israel? They were all born of one father, and yet, their offsprings were/are classified into tribes.
   Take some examples: An English man would accuse Germany of racism toward them, are they not all whites? Adolph Hitler was a racist toward Polish people, are they not whites?
   So, my dear, the problem in Nigeria is racism, not tribalism, tribalism is an issue among people of the same race. What about the Oduduwa race?
londoner
Re: Racism In Nigeria Than Outside Nigeria
« #22 on: August 24, 2007, 03:42 PM »

Oh so if a Londoner doesn't like people from Newcastle, that would be tribalism? ok.

Arent there some tribes in Nigeria who all came  out from  the Benin Kingdom  (excuse my History) ? Just like the twelve tribes who came out of Isreal, are these not now tribes in today's Nigeria?

If an Englishmen does not like an African man because of the colour of his skin, or ethnic origin, what would that be?
Vicjustice (m)
Re: Racism In Nigeria Than Outside Nigeria
« #23 on: August 24, 2007, 04:59 PM »

 @Londoner
Old boy, there are secondary definitions for Race, that's what my content is about.
  Yes, there are "some tribes in Nigeria who all came  out from  the Benin Kingdom", therefore, these tribes (if they have same classification on the basis of common history, and origin or geographic distribution) then, they are one race.
  What do you think of a word like "GERMAN RACE"?
  Are they not white like the English people, then why do they have their own race?
  You're in England, right? Why not ask an English man if he's the same race with a Russian man?
londoner
Re: Racism In Nigeria Than Outside Nigeria
« #24 on: August 24, 2007, 05:52 PM »

Ok no need to get hot under the collar.

Yes, I am in England and an English man will see himself as the same race as a Russian man and a German, but he will see himself as a different nationality (geographically). We have forms that set out racial classifications, a White Scottish person will be classified as being of the same race as an English man, so you may have White English, White Irish, White Welsh, Australian etc, the term "white " refering to their race.  Here, having a different nationality doesnt change the race of a person.


Do you think your Italian friend will find himself of a different race to other Italians, because you are suggesting that Nigerians are of a different race to eachother. I doubt if you would find an Englishman who would consider himself of a different race to other Englishmen.


Even the English royal Family is German, I highly doubt anyone sees them as a different race to the English, well maybe we should start, lol
If you say there is a German is a race, English race, French race, are we the  Nigerian race?
Vicjustice (m)
Re: Racism In Nigeria Than Outside Nigeria
« #25 on: August 24, 2007, 05:58 PM »

There is nothing like the "Nigerian Race", But there is something like tha Yoruba race, the fulani Race etc. But, why don't you just discourse this with a European and hear their opinion about RACE Smiley?
londoner
Re: Racism In Nigeria Than Outside Nigeria
« #26 on: August 24, 2007, 06:09 PM »

Quote from: Vicjustice on August 24, 2007, 05:58 PM
There is nothing like the "Nigerian Race", But there is something like tha Yoruba race, the fulani Race etc. But, why don't you just discourse this with a European and hear their opinion about RACE Smiley?

Why is there no such thing as Nigerian race?

I was born and raised in England and around Whites, Blacks and Asians, trust me, an English and Irish person see themselves as being of  the same race. Most people in England know that the royal family is German and we don't see them as being of a different race to an English person. An English and Scottish person  see themselves as both White one may be Gaelic and one  English, but they wont really say  they are of a different race.


Have a look.
http://www.civeng.ucl.ac.uk/vacancies/pdf/EO_Classification_Form.pdf

Troubleone
Re: Racism In Nigeria Than Outside Nigeria
« #27 on: August 24, 2007, 07:25 PM »

hey mate, you focus your attentions on the main definition of race. but there are further definitions of race, i think that's what vic means
Vicjustice (m)
Re: Racism In Nigeria Than Outside Nigeria
« #28 on: April 08, 2008, 02:46 AM »

Com'on, you can understand better than this. Well, most Nigerians mistake Racism for Tribalism, though. We only mind the primary definition of racism as something relating to white and black and we undermind some secondary definitions.
  Racism doesn't just consist of issues of colours, it deeply consist of matters among people of same colours but different back-ground of origin. For example, the German race, the Greek race, the Roman race, Jewish race etc.
  Tribalism consists of issues among people of same race, but different tribes. You can not say that the difference between the Ibos and the Housas is tribe, that would be wrong.  Let me enlighten you. Talking about Igbo for instance, it is a race of it's own, and in this race, there are tribes: therefore, if an Igbo person have prejudice with fellow Igbos for reason of his origin back-ground, such issue could be referred to as tribalism. But if an Igbo man is prejudiced against a Hausa man for reason of his origin, this is RACISM.
   Remember the twelve tribes of Israel? They were all born of one father, and yet, their offsprings were/are classified into tribes.
   Take some examples: An English man would accuse Germany of racism toward them, are they not all whites? Adolph Hitler was a racist toward Polish people, are they not whites?
   So, my dear, the problem in Nigeria is racism, not tribalism, tribalism is an issue among people of the same race. What about the Oduduwa race?
Vicjustice (m)
Re: Racism In Nigeria Than Outside Nigeria
« #29 on: April 09, 2008, 11:32 AM »

Quote from: michelin89 on July 18, 2007, 08:06 PM
The Igbos, Hausas, are not races but tribes. There are only two races in this world and those are the human race and animal race. Somehow we now use race to identify people from different part of the world: the white race, the black race, the asian race and so on.

Any sort of discrimination inside the same country is tribalism. There is nothing like race in a nation.
Vicjustice (m)
Re: Racism In Nigeria Than Outside Nigeria
« #30 on: April 09, 2008, 11:36 AM »

Quote from: Busi baby on July 18, 2007, 11:49 PM
You are right Vicjustice, there's racism everywhere including Nigeria
Vicjustice (m)
Re: Racism In Nigeria Than Outside Nigeria
« #31 on: April 09, 2008, 11:44 AM »

Quote from: Baba_Dibia on July 22, 2007, 01:55 PM
you peopel go to big big school for nothing and you call tribalism rasism
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