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Seun (m)
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It doesn't seem to have gone bad, yet.
Kayode is a muslim and he's yet to declare fatwa on Nairaland. If a muslim asks me to remove this topic, and gives reasons backed by the Holy Quran, I'll remove it.
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Hnd-holder (m)
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Then we are here to see how easy to prove that Allah in not God. Who is Allah then?
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IAH (f)
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So this thread is still here... I think Jesimiel has a point there...one "Allah" has a son and the other "Allah" does not.  Food for thought. |
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Hnd-holder (m)
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IN THE OLD TESTAMENT
The title "son of God" is frequent in the Old Testament. The word "son" was employed among the Semites to signify not only filiation, but other close connexion or intimate relationship. Thus, "a son of strength" was a hero , a warrior, "son of wickedness" a wicked man, "sons of pride" wild beasts, "son of possession" a possessor, "son of pledging" a hostage, "son of lightning" a swift bird, "son of death" one doomed to death, "son of a bow" an arrow, "son of Belial" a wicked man, "sons of prophets" disciples of prophets etc. The title "son of God" was applied in the Old Testament to persons having any special relationship with God. Angels, just and pious men, the descendants of Seth, were called "sons of God" (Job, i, 6; ii, 1; Ps. lxxxviii, 7; Wisd., ii, 13; etc.). In a similar manner it was given to Israelites (Deut., xiv, l); and of Israel, as a nation, we read: "And thou shalt say to him: Thus saith the Lord: Israel is my son, my firstborn. I have said to thee: Let my son go, that he may serve me" (Ex., iv, 22 sq.).
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Hnd-holder (m)
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IN THE NEW TESTAMENT
The title "the Son of God" is frequently applied to Jesus Christ in the Gospels and Epistles. In the latter it is everywhere employed as a short formula for expressing His Divinity (Sanday); and this usage throws light on the meaning to be attached to it in many passages of the Gospels. The angel announced: "He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the most High... the Holy which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God" (Luke, i, 32, 35). Nathaniel, at his first meeting, called Him the Son of God (John, i, 49). The devils called Him by the same name, the Jews ironically, and the Apostles after He quelled the storm. In all these cases its meaning was equivalent to the Messias, at least. But much more is implied in the confession of St. Peter, the testimony of the Father, and the words of Jesus Christ.
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Hnd-holder (m)
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You will agree with me that one can protest by looking for faults of others, that brought the question that One God has son and
500 years later
[4.170] O people! surely the Apostle has come to you with the truth from your Lord, therefore believe, (it shall be) good for you and If you disbelieve, then surely whatever is in the heavens and the earth is Allah's; and Allah is Knowing, Wise.
[4.171] O followers of the Book!(BIBLE) do not exceed the limits in your religion, and do not speak (lies) against Allah, but (speak) the truth; the Messiah, Isa (JESUS CHRIST)son of Marium is only an apostle of Allah and His Word which He communicated to Marium and a spirit from Him; believe therefore in Allah and His apostles, and say not, Three. Desist, it is better for you; Allah is only one God; far be It from His glory that He should have a son, whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth is His, and Allah is sufficient for a Protector.
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kazey (m)
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Someone saved the day . THats why i love Nairaland. Full of intelligent intellectuals, who take their time to research and lay down real facts not just mere opinions based on what they feel like saying, or what they want to understand.
I really appreciate your post HND HOLDER. Keep up the good work.
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Seun (m)
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Actually, kazey, IAH deserved the credit for that observation.
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Remedy (m)
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Saying God and Allah are the same is as good as saying Christianity and Islam is the same. I do not think they are the same.
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Hnd-holder (m)
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Who is GOD and who is Allah then?
(God the father, Godthe son and God the Holy Spirit) 3 in one. Can we then say God the Father is Allah?
But
Allah is only one God says Holy Quran. I need more explanations Please base on your post
Saying God and Allah are the same is as good as saying Christianity and Islam is the same. I do not think they are the same.
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kazey (m)
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Saying God and Allah are the same is as good as saying Christianity and Islam is the same. I do not think they are the same.
I really believe that this guy doesnt read at all before posting. Before you say anything, not only on this thread. Please read the previous intellectual contributions, and from that digest and reason, and then post. Thank you. The topic is very simple God and Allah: Are they the same? Why? Please contribute based on what people have already said, what is wrong with it? or add on it? don't just come and say something totally out of space. No offence intended, just that I really think you should know. Thank you IAH too. I guess I missed your precise and accurate post. |
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WesleyanA (f)
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i don't think God and allah are the same. God is white and Allah is Black
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Hnd-holder (m)
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But the HOLY QURAN says ALLAH is ONE God, Do you have another source? please tell us. Where did you read that Allah is black?
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nike4luv (f)
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how u kno Allah is black
wait..in my own perspective, i think God and Allah is the same but people have different believes bout them., because i studies islam for a bit and it says theres only one God but think about it if God and Allan are not the same then that would be 2 Gods and its meant to be one God so i think God and Allah are the same, they all Gods
PLus..who cares as long as we call our God and he answers us
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WesleyanA (f)
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But the HOLY QURAN says ALLAH is ONE God, Do you have another source? please tell us. Where did you read that Allah is black?
it's called logic/reason HND. of course they don't say it in the bible or quran.duh! between, close your eyes...imagine yourself with G.d what do you see. be honest now.. isn't it some white giant with white hair and white long beard? now...close your eyes and imagine yourself w/ allah. it's going to be different. you'll probably see some black/arab/middle eastern or whatever. he is also a giant but with a muslim thing on his head . at least that's the way i see it in my mind. and I DIDN'T READ IT FROM ANY BOOK. I SEE THE PICTURES THEY HANG ON CHURCHES AND MOSQUES AND OTHER PLACES. these two beings only exist in human hearts by the way. it's not like you can fly up to heaven and see God or allah. the whites introduced christianity to africa so we have to do it like they told us. if you told a white guy about some sango or Nigerian god/idol .......not that they're stupid enough to believe in it or anything------ a picture of some old african guy will come to their mind... it's called logic/ reason and how the human mind works. |
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Remedy (m)
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Under no circumstances is Jehovah, the God of the Bible, and Allah, of the Koran, the same. First of all, the God of the Bible is a God of love and redemption, who sent His Son into the world to die for our sins. Allah tells people to die for him in order to get salvation, but there is no understanding of salvation. Allah was the moon god from Mecca. That is why Islam has the crescent moon. The flag of Turkey has a crescent moon with a star in it. Well, the crescent moon is because Allah was the moon god, and that is the deal. But we don't serve a moon god. We serve the God of creation, the Creator of everything.
They are not the same. To translate Allah as God is wrong. When you see something in there and it says Allah, you translate it Allah. Don't call it God because it is different. God is Elohim. He is the Creator, the Jehovah God, Yahweh. Yahweh of the Old Testament was the Father who brought forth Jesus into the world.
And KAzey:[font=Lucida Sans Unicode][/font]
You need to try and understand things in a matured way.
You speak like a toddler.
How old are U.
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WesleyanA (f)
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didn't i make it clear enough?  allah (the arabian/black one w/ the muslim thing on his head) is black people's God (non-muslims excluded) and God(the white one w/ white long beard) is white people's God. ( some blacks like me included) |
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nike4luv (f)
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lol..didnt i make it clear
THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD..!
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kazey (m)
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And KAzey:[font=Lucida Sans Unicode][/font]
You need to try and understand things in a matured way.
You speak like a toddler.
How old are U.
This is indeed what I am talking about.Maturity at display indeed.  Someone trying to use "Age supremacy in a forum". Well I think you got, my message, your next reply said it all, and that is what is important here. Thank you. Your input is appreciated.Good day. |
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Hnd-holder (m)
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So the house agreed that Allah is one God but He is BLACK /Arab God
and another God is a white/Europe God. Is that the stand of the House?
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WesleyanA (f)
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 yes
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hot-angel (f)
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I have no stand! God can be anythang he wants to be. All i know is he should act like God.!
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Hnd-holder (m)
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My sisiter, How do you want God to act? Definitely not like Allah!
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hot-angel (f)
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L.o.L he can act anyway! God is meant to be a good man. So he has to act good.
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WesleyanA (f)
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HND, what do you mean not like Allah.. what did he do to you?......did he kill your grandpa?
HND, why do you associate black w/evil. you're black you know.
and let me tell you this the black people that worship allah are smart. they have a concept of a God that not only looks like them but the one they can relate to....
the whites that worship christian God (let's call him jehovah) are also smart. he looks like them and they can relate to him.....
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sage (m)
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u guys are trying to start inter religious combat here.
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Latoya (f)
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Allah is the arabic translation of God
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delarontus (f)
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Administrator, I don't know why you still let this thread continue. Are you waiting for people to start throwing missiles at themselves before you stop it? Certain posters are becoming blasphemous because they have little or no knowledge of the topic.
I do not think the author of this topic intended this type of discourse and i speak vehemently against it.
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Hnd-holder (m)
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Administrator, I don't know why you still let this thread continue. Are you waiting for people to start throwing missiles at themselves before you stop it? Certain posters are becoming blasphemous because they have little or no knowledge of the topic.
I do not think the author of this topic intended this type of discourse and i speak vehemently against it.
and remember that Seun said Re: God and Allah: Are they the same? « #32 on: August 03, 2005, 05:25 PM » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It doesn't seem to have gone bad, yet. Kayode is a muslim and he's yet to declare fatwa on Nairaland. If a muslim asks me to remove this topic, and gives reasons backed by the Holy Quran, I'll remove it. |
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kazey (m)
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Allow me to go off topic here.
There is something we call "exposure". I believe that can be achieved through interaction with different people from different cultural backgrounds etc and the moment we all start accepting other peoples "personal" views with a pinch of salt if we don't agree to it . The better.
Online forums for example, involves sharing of knowledge, etc in written words. We are not screaming for christ sake, we are just bastartizing the e-world with words on how we feel, and what we feel like saying. You don't need to use an ear plug to avoid hearing what we are screaming!!. You can just avoid such threads.
And thats the best way to express yourself without looking into "someones eyes". Nairaland has provided the avenue for such expressions, and anyone can express himself or herself without thinking of the likelihood of getting arrested by a law official etc. And we should appreciate that.
I think Nairaland has achieved a lot, and I would like to say that if you really don't like, as in the way people express their views on nairaland freely whilst still abiding by its rules. Avoid the threads that have sensitive titles. I guess that would work for everybody.
The same people would be shouting for Freedom of speech. How Ironical.
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WesleyanA (f)
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this thread needs to die. really.
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kazey (m)
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Reasons? Why? Really so far , I have not seen any reason? Please do tell us the reason why this thread should go off.
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