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issac boro
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Muslims have being attacking people all in the name of religion well i believe the solution is this an eye for an eye.If they kill 100 people all in the name of religion well they christians should kill 1000 of them at least this will teach them that we are prepared for them no mercy at least then they will understand how it feels to lose someone you love. Forget what those people tell when they slap you turn the other cheek for them to slap again slap them and see what they will do to you. Who is sokoto caliphate forget them they can not rule nigeria again and this is where the line is drawn.BLOOD FOR BLOOD NO MERCY. CHRISTIAN LIBERATION ARMY  |
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issac boro
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Rasqe are you afraid what the hell they started and will finish it for them left for me all muslims should be wiped out of nigeria.Is nigeria an islamic state that they feel they own nigeria and they can do anything and getaway with it well man this time they are wrong we will go to the extreme and tell them that we christians are more fanatical and we are ready to die and are they ready gone are the times that they can just kill and christian are go free well this time we dear them to bring the violence and they will be crushed to shredds. You are talkiing about hotel rowanda my friend that is a movie and this real life if you are happy that you religious brothers are killing innocient people in the cause of religion in nigeria that has no ties with the said cartoon well u better think man becasue and how we will meet tham at the battle field and GOD Bless us will defeat them and save nigeria from ther evil hands.I have no appology i hate northerners and i don't give damn what u feel.  |
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toshmann (m)
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my problem is not the muslim or christain.there are good and bad amongst both groups. my problem is the govt that is busy stealing money and doing nothing about this injustice for over 5 decades, it is begining to yield bad fruits.
can u imagine,in the face of all this killings the fed govt is busy talking about 3rd term. hmmmn,rome burns while nero sings. our country is in deep shit. the way things are going ,worse is yet to come. FAILED STATE WITH NO GOVT. God save us.
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Odeku (m)
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I don't support killing innocent people, but you can only push people to the wall before they retaliate, this extremist Muslim in the north have been getting away with this kind of action for decades, and I am glad the Christians are finally standing up to them. this to me will send a clear message to them from this point on forward.
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Seun (m)
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EIther you support it or you don't. Either you value human life or you don't.  |
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toshmann (m)
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seun, in 1993 the yorubas wanted to declare republic of oduduwa b/c june 12 was annulled. they sensed tribal injustice and rightly felt aggrieved.the nation felt their pain and seeded the presidency to the southwest(the biggest political blunder in our history) to pacify the west. but ibos have suffered serial pogrom for decades.no compensation,the killers aint brought to justice. what did u expect them to do. keep being killed?
seun be rational abeg. sometimes,unfortunately,the only effective means of communication is by blood. it is only a shame that our govt allowed it to get to this stage.
our nation is dying. i thank God that HE shielded me from all this mess. i wish i can do something to stop it. but i can't. but God can.
BABA GOD SAVE THIS COUNTRY
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Seun (m)
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Let it be your blood, then, and not mine. Because you are in the US you are talking as if those of us here are he and she goats ripe for slaughter in the name of politics. Bad politics.
Look at Liberia, look at Somalia, look at Ivory Coast. Have the wars done anything erased the injustice that precipitated them in the first place? No! Eventually you need to bring a peace-keeping force before they stop killing each other.
Patience, determination, and sensible development plans and strategies will do a lot more for a country than bloodshed. Go and ask all the war-torn African countries whether war has brought them any form of prosperity. You cannot cure peace-time injustice with war-time injustice. This is like trying to cure malaria with HIV.
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seeni4ever (m)
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seun, you are talking like you are wise, but you aren't. i personally believe that war or violence can not solve a problem but do you believe that u need it in some cases to prove who you are. some people always start problem, killing other races, killing other tribes. so tell me, someone is killing your brothers and sisters and you fold your arm saying violence is not the answer, what kind of person you are jesus?, u need to defend yourself and you need to fight back. hausas are killing other people in their states, if they don't want problem why do they start it. we are all in america today enjoying free democracy, do you think america got it on a platter of gold?, no, they fought for it, they go to war and they are free today because of what they do then. at times you need to fight to earn respect, to let other people knows that you are not a fool. before, germany is germany, later they go to war and broke to east and west because of the nazis influence in some part of the country that others don't want, later they both come together to form free germany. if there is no war then, germany wil still be a nazis country. freedom is not free, you have to fight for it. look at all this nigerdelta problem, i am yoruba guy but i support those guys, if they don't fight for their right now, when is it going to be. violence is not good but at times we need it.
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Mariory (m)
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seun, you are talking like you are wise, but you aren't. i personally believe that war or violence can not solve a problem but do you believe that u need it in some cases to prove who you are. some people always start problem, killing other races, killing other tribes. so tell me, someone is killing your brothers and sisters and you fold your arm saying violence is not the answer, what kind of person you are jesus?, u need to defend yourself and you need to fight back. hausas are killing other people in their states, if they don't want problem why do they start it. we are all in america today enjoying free democracy, do you think america got it on a platter of gold?, no, they fought for it, they go to war and they are free today because of what they do then. at times you need to fight to earn respect, to let other people knows that you are not a fool. before, germany is germany, later they go to war and broke to east and west because of the nazis influence in some part of the country that others don't want, later they both come together to form free germany. if there is no war then, germany wil still be a nazis country. freedom is not free, you have to fight for it. look at all this nigerdelta problem, i am yoruba guy but i support those guys, if they don't fight for their right now, when is it going to be. violence is not good but at times we need it.
I hope that by "some people", you are not referring to an entire people (based on religion, race, ethinicity etc). If by some people, you are referring to a select number of criminals then you are right. Get your facts straight. germany did not split into East and West because of the Nazis. They did so because of Demorcracy (West Germany) and Communisim (East germany). Violence is never the answer. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying we should fold our hands and do nothing, but we should be looking to hold people who organise these riots responsible. Rioters do not appear from nowhere and start rioting. Someone has to organise them and give them information on where to riot. These are the people that should be sitting in jail right now for murder. Both from the South and North. I remember when the riots in the North happened. People where asking what Southen Nigerians in the North had to do with printing mohameed pictures? Is it because they are not Muslims/Southerners? One could also ask the same question in the South. What have these Northeners in the South (Some of whom might not even be muslim) got to do with the riots in the North? they didn't kill anyone, so why are they being killed? Is it because they are Muslim/Northerners? This is why the rule of law must be maintained. Tit for tat killings will only lead to ANARCHY. And eventually people will forget why they are fighting in the first place because they will be so focused on getting revenge. |
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seeni4ever (m)
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Get your facts straight. germany did not split into East and West because of the Nazis. They did so because of Demorcracy (West Germany) and Communisim (East germany).
who are the communists? nazis |
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Mariory (m)
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Communists were the Sovient Union or agents of the Soviet Union. While the Nazis were in power Germany was one country.
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DivineOke (f)
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Ono
You r right. It's only in Nigeria that we have had mass killings and burning of churches because of a cartoon that waxn't even published here.Personally, I think the muslims are just a set of violent butchers looking for every excuse to spill blood, destroy lives and property.Life means nothing to them.The American prophecy of Nigeria being a failed state will soon come to reality.
@ oasis
d'u really think killing hausa's in the south will cause them up dere in the north to have a rethink? I don't think so. Rather it'll act as fuel for more killings. I think their religion is all about spilling blood
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Txlonghorn (m)
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Communists were the Sovient Union or agents of the Soviet Union. While the Nazis were in power Germany was one country.
Dude the Nazis were a communist party, you get your facts straight. It's very easy for people like you to come out here and put down the Christians (Igbo) for fighting back because you've never lost a loved one to those Muslims. I'm an Army Reserve, I can now claim to experience war infact this is my second tour of duty. War or violence what ever you may call it is never a pretty sight, no one in their right mind prays or looks forward to war or violence.But some times after diplomatic talks don't work, war maybe just the last resort.The Europeans and Canadians call Americans war mongers.Oh well If not for us Americans, the whole of Europe would be speaking Garman right now and their would not be a South Korea. So if we christians don't want to be bowing our heads and praying to some shrine in Mecca we need to stand up and defend our way of live,seriously how long can we keep talking.Our people are being killed every year and the Government is not doing any thing to protect the people. |
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Mariory (m)
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Dude the Nazis were a communist party, you get your facts straight.
The Nazis hated communisim which at the time was practised by the Sovient Union (Russia). That is why they eventually went to war with the Sovient Union and this s what eventually lead to their timely collaspe. Nazisim and Communisim are two different idealogies. If you wish to know futher, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_Twohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communisimhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NazisOn to more important issues. It's very easy for people like you to come out here and put down the Christians (Igbo) for fighting back because you've never lost a loved one to those Muslims. I'm an Army Reserve, I can now claim to experience war infact this is my second tour of duty. War or violence what ever you may call it is never a pretty sight, no one in their right mind prays or looks forward to war or violence.But some times after diplomatic talks don't work, war maybe just the last resort.The Europeans and Canadians call Americans war mongers.Oh well If not for us Americans, the whole of Europe would be speaking Garman right now and their would not be a South Korea.
So if we christians don't want to be bowing our heads and praying to some shrine in Mecca we need to stand up and defend our way of live,seriously how long can we keep talking.Our people are being killed every year and the Government is not doing any thing to protect the people.
So where does it end? Must we continue the revenge attacks until we have a situation that precipitated the civil war? Must we continue to ignore lessons that history has made avaliable for us? If there are a group of people that keep breaking the rules, is it not better for them to be locked up and removed from society than for us to become like that same group of people. Is it better for us to go on killing ourselves hoping the other group losses the will to fight first? Must we become like Sierria Leone, Liberia, Ivory Coast, DRC, Somalia etc. Must we allow the blood of thousands of nigerians to flow before we decide to say we must act like law abiding citizens. Must we be exhausted from all the killing we have done before we reliase murdering people is wrong? If your answers to these questions are yes, then by all means let the killing continue. After all people get bored of things and move on. They will get tired of murder as well. There are 130+ million lives in Nigeria. I'm sure we won't be able to exterminate half of our population before we get tired of killing. So by all means let's keep killing and make Nigeria like the Rwanda that emerged in the nineties. |
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Mariory (m)
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It would seem we are a violent people after all. Any chance we get to "settle the score" or "show our might", we take it with the best of our ability in murderous abandon. Then we go to our Churches and Mosques after killing to our fill and act like the chosen ones. It seems what nigeria needs is a nasty war. So that people can finally see and fell what it is like to live in such a situation. To see horrors that will emotionally scar us for the rest of our lives. It seems that is the only way we can "win" and become a great nation. Well at least according to some people's views here. People who are supposed to be religous and caring I might add. Maybe the time has come for us to know what it's like to live in Somalia, in Iraq, or in other war torn countries. Bring on the bloodshed I say. Peharps the sooner we get it over with, the better.  |
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Seun (m)
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Are you saying the 1970s civil war was not enough. Gah, I think the problem is that many of us are too young to have experienced the terror of that war. At least the people talking nonsense here.
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Txlonghorn (m)
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WOW, we had civil war in Nigeria in the 70's.I need to go check my History books_-_-_brb.
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gigitte (f)
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i've been coming to the nairaland website for a long long time now. i just had to register to put in my fifty kobo
1. i sincerely doubt that this is a christian/moslem thing. please note that no-body in lagos is killing anybody. could it be that a yoruba man would rather play ayo and drink palm wine, or watch the telly rather than carry machete and start killing christians or moslems who happen to be his tribal brothers. please laugh with me at this suggestion. after all it is quite common to find moslems and christians in the same yoruba family. methinks, that this is a case of tribal tension between the ibos and the hausas. why, i honestly cannot say. could it be because ibo people are very enterprising and dominate trade in the north. i heard sabon gari (new town, ibo) is the commercial capital of the kano. could it also be because of long simmering resentment due to the civil war. i think not, because the killings usually start from the north and it is ibos who continue to complain about marginalization. if this tribal hatred is true, man im too sad. this is how parents will poison their own children to hate other tribes. can you imagine, my roommate who only goes to nnewi once in some years thinks all ibos in nigeria are being marginilized, why? her parents said so. imagine oh, and she lives in the US. please oh, teach your kids to be nigerian first!
2. it might very well be political and tied to the third term agenda, in which case our ibo brothers are playing into the hands of whoever.
3. whatever the case may be, while it may seem well that our ibo brothers want to show the north what they are made of. remember that whoever dies fighting the cause of islams gets some number of virgins with pointy breasts in heaven. so these innocent hausa people in the east are not serving as deterrents, because their hausa brothers in the north know that they are being rewarded, so why not kill more infidel ibos who will defn not be getting any virgins. thus, another solution must be sought
all in all, im happy to have joined the nairaland family
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Tetris (f)
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, methinks, that this is a case of tribal tension between the ibos and the hausas. why, i honestly cannot say. could it be because ibo people are very enterprising and dominate trade in the north. i heard sabon gari (new town, ibo) is the commercial capital of the kano. could it also be because of long simmering resentment due to the civil war. i think not, because the killings usually start from the north and it is ibos who continue to complain about marginalization. ,
2. it might very well be political and tied to the third term agenda, in which case our ibo brothers are playing into the hands of whoever,
igbos vs. hausa, north vs. south, methinks a lot of y'all folks here are southerners. get it out of your heads that this is simply a north v south, igbo vs hausa thing. i am a northerner. a christian, and i am living in the north. please take it from me its no piece of cake here either for us. i have stayed/lived/schooled in jos, minna, kafnchan and a few other places and believe me when i tell you that this goes further than north n south. a commendation to the yorubas ability to accomodate multiple religious strains, even to the individual but the northerners are not so. when you are of a different religious strain, you are outcast. i am talking from experience. , ever dies fighting the cause of islams gets some number of virgins with pointy breasts in heaven. so these innocent hausa people in the east are not serving as deterrents, because their hausa brothers in the north know that they are being rewarded, so why not kill more infidel ibos who will defn not be getting any virgins,
kind of you to point that out. it is unfortunate that if there are any of you out there who are muslim, you don't seem to be making much of a contribution to this to show your stance. there reigns the freedom of speech here after all. there is an abuja-dude who said islam teaches/says nothing about killing.  !my brother your faith is not pure! you need proper indoctrination. this, the lesser jihad, is what guarnatees your soul heaven, or did you not know? true event: post jos crisis of novemer01, a group of 400L pharm student in UJ were discussing the event and at a loss as to why mothers and children would be harmed?they actually posed the question to a fellow classmate muslim, married with two children or so. her answer: that no-o, they slit the bellies of the pregnant mothers to determine the sex of the child, at this point please feel free to gasp, WTF? |
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nobody2
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seun, am sorry if i have to be personal here. i strongly believe that you are a nigerian and you are living in nigeria. how come you find a single reason for blaming the ibos in this case.
you said two wrongs cannot make a right, accepted but when another person's corpes is been carried arround, it looks like wood. please do pinch yourself before you do to another.
in nigeria, are the ibos known with voilence? is yes please make your refference.
the ibos in nigeria and other parts of the world have seen themselves as slaves in the country and instead of fighting decide to strugle on their own to make life go on yet nobody will let them be.
let me take you back to Abiola crises of 1993 when the ibos and the businesses were destroyed in thousands and millions for a case they do not know anything about.
how many of the riot and crises can we talk about in the north? or are you saying the ibos should always fold their hands and watch their brothers and sisters been killed in thousands on daily bases?
i am a resident of Dubai and i must assure you that the so called rich hausa people have all taken their familes outside nigeria for a better education and businesses while they continue using the tauts to destroy the ibos and their business yet you are saying two wrongs cannot make a right.
to me if that inception is not working out fine for us their in nigeria, is high time the ibos with one voice will say tow wrongs will make a right. if dying will be the only solution let us all die once and for all.
if the muslims are not happy with the cartoon let them go to Denmark and sort things with the people and the ibos.
the ibos are crazy but decides to play cool so that peace will reign.
like the Isrealites, i pray God will give us the power one day when if an ibo man is killed ten will pay for it.
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nobody2
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on the other hand, i want to say the question is a partial one. if the people killed in the north are innocent so innocent people should follow.
unless you rejoice over the innocent killing of your loved ones then we will condem the retaliation of the ibos otherwise more grease to their elbows.
God will give us power to pay them in their own coins whenever.
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toshmann (m)
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@seun
with all due respects,i did not intend to revile at u. i was expressing myself. what u said was close to abusive. i'm not happy and i do need an apology.
2ndly, i don't live in the states. i live in nigeria but for now i'm a student in the u.k(not u.s).i have nigeria in my blood and my family is still back home.
look at history,why do u think the united states started the doctrine of separation of church and state?wht do u think western europe is so democratic. why do u think that the u.s started the free press policy,freedom for all citizens,sensitive to racism . why do u think europe is virtually a welfare state, etc. seun i don't mean to hurt your feelings but wars were fought before these issues were resolved. if u need more details let me know.i have read a lot of history. and i have learnt that history repeats itself.
eve in religion, for the christains(which i am and thank God i am) God had to pay a price to save humanity and it took the preciuos blood of Jesus. and islam,i am not sure of the facts, but i think(i humbly want to be corrected if i am wrong and not another killings in nigeria) we were taught in school that some wars(jihad) had to be fought for the sake of islam(correct me if i am wrong please).
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toshmann (m)
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@seun contd
i never thought of those at home as he and she goats.that would mean calling my father and sibblings he and she goats.i beg your pardon.
nobody likes war. i don't.but look at south africa. there was racial injustice. mandela et al used all legitimate means of fighting the injustice but they were rebuffed. he had to do something violent ( but they tried to avoid loss of human lives).and ended in prison.but it didn't end there. u heard about the 1976 uprising of pupils in south africa. people struggled,lives were lost and finally justice prevailed. this is history for u. if the allies did not go to war,nazi germany would have wiped the jews. without the incessant suicide bombings israel would have still been in gaza strip.
seun look at history,whenever an unbearable injustice prevails at population levels,violence and bloodshed follows before unfortunately the issues get resolved(if at all),
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toshmann (m)
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@seun contd
for rwanda, THE HUTUS WERE CARRYING OUT THE ANNIHILATION OF THE TUTSIES. govt did nothing.blood was being shed.nothing happened.people were killed.nothing happened. then the tutsies formed a rebel gang and fought back.civil war erupted and before u knew it there was total chaos. today,rwanda is relatively stable. everybody appreciates the other from the other tribe. anybody coming to rwanda may like the peace there now but what he may not know is the carnage that came before the peace.
that is life for u. some human beings are so mean that they will continue to destroy others unless something drastic is done. most times, the only thing drastic enough to stop these people is counter-violence. check human history.
the killings in the north has been going on for decades(if u want details let me know).nothing happens. nobody takes it seriously enough. so now the natural sequence is taking place,
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toshmann (m)
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@seun contd
when i said it may take some blood to resolve,i was not trying to sound mean or to be negative minded, with all due respect, seun, i was just stating the obvious. it was bound to happen,whether i say it or not. HISTORY HAS IT THAT VIOLENCE FOLLOWS PERPETUAL, SUSTAINED OPPRESSION.ALWAYS. ask history students,they may educate us more on this.
FINALLY, though u may not want to apologise, i'm still civilised enough to still respect u,your feelings and your person(i probably hurt your feelings.well. i was only saying the truth and truth hurts.)and your opinion but, I WILL NOT WITHDRAW ANY STATEMENT I HAVE MADE SO FAR.NOT ONE WORD.I HAVE SPOKEN MY MIND,I THINK IT IS THE TRUTH. I STAND BY IT.TRUTH HURTS BUT IT MUST BE SAID.BAN ME IF You LIKE.
HAVE A NICE DAY.
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tos (m)
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Hi All,
I have been following the thread on this critical issue that is boiling at this time of political victimisation. We should not allow people of irrational minds and low thinking ability to disunite this great country. What we are witnessing today in this country is politic being played without respect for peoples' lifes
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gigitte (f)
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i am a northerner. a christian, and i am living in the north. please take it from me its no piece of cake here either for us. i have stayed/lived/schooled in jos, minna, kafnchan and a few other places and believe me when i tell you that this goes further than north n south.
a commendation to the yorubas ability to accomodate multiple religious strains, even to the individual but the northerners are not so. when you are of a different religious strain, you are outcast. i am talking from experience.
well, tetris i also went to school in abuja for six years, and have relatives who've been in the north for years, my father lived in kano for a while and my mom currently works in abuja but is in constant contact with northernmost states via her work. so i would really like to hear more about your experiences and see how they jive with mine and those of my friends who live in the north. these friends and i safely represent the yorubas, ibos, hausa-fulani, middle belt and niger delta |
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whirlweend (m)
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I support the reprisal killings,BLOOD 4 BLOOD,simple.Next time they will think twice before they kill innnocent southerners going about their business.Whatever concerns the Danish cartoons and the Igbo trader?.
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Mariory (m)
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I support the reprisal killings,BLOOD 4 BLOOD,simple.Next time they will think twice before they kill innnocent southerners going about their business.Whatever concerns the Danish cartoons and the Igbo trader?.
Question! If some Northerners go on a killing spree in the North, will that make you think twice about killing Northerners in the South? Obviously, the answer is NO. So what makes you think those that want to kill in the North will feel different? I'm interested to know the logic of "I kill your people here, so you won't kill my people there." This question is not aimed specifically at Southerners. It is aimed at those agitating for "Blood for Blood" wheater they are Northern, Southern, Western, Eastern or from Space. |
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toshmann (m)
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the logic is that the repeated attacks unwittingly gives the murderers the false belief that they can do anything and get away with it. with reprisal attacks,which is a signal of the readiness and possibility of a civil war,the primary killers will think twice before attacking again. even if they don't, the govt will take such scenarios more seriously and be better prepared for such eventualities.
the attacks was not just against the northerners,it was also a signal to the govt that they should sit up,security wise.if there were no reprisals the killers will feel that nothing serious happened.undeterred they will be ready to do it again.
for the innocent that died. well, what can i say?human life is sacrosanct. i've lost a family member before,i know how it feels. i tell u. but history has it that in any conflict innocent souls always die.
innocent souls died in the biafran war.
innocent souls died in world war 1 and 2
innocent souls died in iraq
innocent souls died in afghanistan
innocent souls died from the economic sanctions placed on nigeria targeting the abacha regime caused abject poverty to nigeria
innocent souls died in the balkans during the war in bosnia -herzegovnia
innocent souls died on 911
innocent souls died in the india-pakistani conflicts
innocent souls died in the rwandan wainnocent souls died in the somalian war
innocent souls died in the liberian war
the list is endless,there is no conflict that innocent souls don't die.
that is why conflicts should be avoided.
note that if nothing happens to stop primary killers,innocent souls will contnue to get killed unless/until the innocent souls become guilty souls
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Mariory (m)
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the logic is that the repeated attacks unwittingly gives the murderers the false belief that they can do anything and get away with it. with reprisal attacks,which is a signal of the readiness and possibility of a civil war,the primary killers will think twice before attacking again. even if they don't, the govt will take such scenarios more seriously and be better prepared for such eventualities.
Let us assume that this logic has merit in the real world. The killing of Southerners from the North in the first place did not stop Southerners killing Northerners from the South in the form of a repriasal attack. Now what is to stop Northern Survivors who are now back in the North from killing Southerners in the North in the form of reprailsal attacks? Absolutely nothing. The threat of civil war does not matter to a person wanting to avenge a family member. So when given the chance in the form of group action, they will take it. Just like a group of friends in a fight with another group are more likely to go too far if they out number the other group. In fact, let's not decieve ourselves, the only reason there hasn't been more killing is because the army is on the streets in the trouble areas. When they leave, the cycle starts all over again at the slightest provocation. So instead of condoning repriasal attacks why don't we focus our anger at getting those responsible for the riots and killing? |
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