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Chxta (m)
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I find it funny that I haven't been here. To those who support the killings, I have only one thing to say: violence begets violence.
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toshmann (m)
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good chyxta,violence begets violence therefore no one should start violence. the ibos have never started violence. hence i feel u guys should concentrate your efforts to those who have always started violence in nigerian history.the north started violence all the time in nigeria.the only time i can remember that the north did not start violence was in 1999 july when the yorubas started violence in shagamu against the hausas and there were reprisal attacks in kano against the yorubas(take note;reprisal attacks did not start this year)
mariory,i think we should encourage the govt to do more to avoid future occurrence of this sort of nonsense. reports have it that while there was violence in the north,a good chunk of security personelle who would have been more useful in stopping the carnage were rather sent to the constitution centers to protect politicians bent on bending the constitution for the sake of 3rd term.
good, the politicians need security,but with what was going on I expect a responsible govt to act more wisely. now with reprisals the message is clear,if unchecked,a civil war is looming. u can't beat history.
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toshmann (m)
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but u see,now we have the classical nigerian solution to serious problems;temporary palliative solution.the army wont be in the street forever,tempers are still high,probability for another attack in the future is very high.i suggest we get the muslim and christain communities together to talk. let us go beyond "stop fighting" to "what happened,can we be friends" let us try and get to the root of this problem and see what we can achieve.
finally, peace is not just the absence of war but the presence of justice(martin luther king jnr) let the govt ensure equity in the system.
God bless Nigeria.
Thank you
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whirlweend (m)
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the logic is that the repeated attacks unwittingly gives the murderers the false belief that they can do anything and get away with it. with reprisal attacks,which is a signal of the readiness and possibility of a civil war,the primary killers will think twice before attacking again. even if they don't, the govt will take such scenarios more seriously and be better prepared for such eventualities.
the attacks was not just against the northerners,it was also a signal to the govt that they should sit up,security wise.if there were no reprisals the killers will feel that nothing serious happened.undeterred they will be ready to do it again.
for the innocent that died. well, what can i say?human life is sacrosanct. i've lost a family member before,i know how it feels. i tell u. but history has it that in any conflict innocent souls always die.
innocent souls died in the biafran war.
innocent souls died in world war 1 and 2
innocent souls died in iraq
innocent souls died in afghanistan
innocent souls died from the economic sanctions placed on nigeria targeting the abacha regime caused abject poverty to nigeria
innocent souls died in the balkans during the war in bosnia -herzegovnia
innocent souls died on 911
innocent souls died in the india-pakistani conflicts
innocent souls died in the rwandan wainnocent souls died in the somalian war
innocent souls died in the liberian war
the list is endless,there is no conflict that innocent souls don't die.
that is why conflicts should be avoided.
note that if nothing happens to stop primary killers,innocent souls will contnue to get killed unless/until the innocent souls become guilty souls
I feel u man,u have said it all.An eye for an eye,a tooth for a tooth,that is the only logic those foolish and illiterate murderers up in the savannah will understand,I don't think they can be reasoned with in any other way. @Mariory,if u had lost someone in those attacks u wont be saying all this,I m sure u would have killed the nearest northerner.
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seeni4ever (m)
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@wherlweend. if someone kill your mother and two sisters what are you going to do. you are talking like you are saint. no one can't take rubbish from anyone. if you pinch me i will punch you. thats my own policy. i can't sit down and let some animals destroy my life, i g@t to do something.
note seun: be careful on your modification, g@t is g@t not got . i have to do something means i g@t to do something not got to do something. where do u learn your own slang.
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toshmann (m)
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@wherlweend. if someone kill your mother and two sisters what are you going to do. you are talking like you are saint. no one can't take rubbish from anyone. if you pinch me i will punch you. thats my own policy. i can't sit down and let some animals destroy my life, i g@t to do something.
note seun: be careful on your modification, g@t is g@t not got . i have to do something means i g@t to do something not got to do something. where do u learn your own slang.
lol, seeni4ever, american policy.lol.japan bombed pearl habour,US bombed hiroshima and nagasaki terrorist brought down WTC,US brought down the whole afghanistan(and iraq, and?iran)lol |
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funloving (m)
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I don't support any form of killing unless it is judicial(I certainly would support the execution of an unrepentant rapist of drug dealer)
But I have a bone to contend with Seun.
Mr Admin,why don't you face reality for once.Advocating peace in an environment where there is no room for peace is unrealistic.Saying we should live together in peace without making constructive attempts to solve the underlying problems tending to conflicts is simply to ask the lion to be friends with the goat.It is never going to work.
Nigeria's problems are deep rooted and unless we take tangible steps to solve them it is never going to be okay in the country,no amount of burying our heads in the sands will help.
The truth is,the muslims or northerners should stop killing igbos/christians everytime they have a grudge.If they contnue to kill then you can't blame the retaliation of the Christians or southernsers.
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Mariory (m)
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You see, my problem with this people saying an eye for an eye is that this is not what is happening. INNOCENT people are being killed and you are calling it an eye for an eye. The people actually doing the killing are not the same people being killed in repraisal attacks.
Let's take one example of what happened in the Tiv village where the military murdered hundreds of civilians when 19 military personnel where allegedly abducted and killed by Tiv militia.
As far as the military where concerned, use of force was what those people understood. Going by what some of you are saying the military was correct in it's action.
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toshmann (m)
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the people that died in the afghan invasion are not the terrorists who brought down WTC on 911.
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Seun (m)
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In that case, the intention was not to kill them but to capture Bin Laden after defeating his allies. It's not the same at all.
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oasis
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This topic has reached an impasse. There is nothing more to say that hasn't already been said.
I suggest it be closed.
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toshmann (m)
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@seun
the similarity is that innocent people were hit
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Seun (m)
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Intentions matter. Innocent people are killed when a car veers off the road and hits a pole, but that is not murder. It's an accident. But in Onitsha, the mob's intention was to kill muslims/hausas and that is exactly what they did.
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seeni4ever (m)
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Intentions matter. Innocent people are killed when a car veers off the road and hits a pole, but that is not murder. It's an accident. But in Onitsha, the mob's intention was to kill muslims/hausas and that is exactly what they did.
the hausas do the same in the north. what the hell are u taliking about. |
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whirlweend (m)
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@wherlweend. if someone kill your mother and two sisters what are you going to do. you are talking like you are saint. no one can't take rubbish from anyone. if you pinch me i will punch you. thats my own policy. i can't sit down and let some animals destroy my life, i g@t to do something.
note seun: be careful on your modification, g@t is g@t not got . i have to do something means i g@t to do something not got to do something. where do u learn your own slang.
Did I post anything different from what u posted above?.I guess u are reading my post with a mirror because I never 'talked' like a saint.I am a total advocate of "An eye for an eye" and "a tooth for a tooth".My friend read my posts again! |
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nobody2
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seun,
you really amuse and amaze me with that. on the other hand, i want to believe you when you say death penelties are not given to brothers, sisters or relatives or tribes men but i would want u to say pricisely who the ibos killed in maduigiri and other northern parts of the country over the years they are paying for. what penalty are they recieving.
yes, the hausas living in onitcha love the ibos and by saying so u are insunuating that the ibos living in the nothern parts of the country hate the hausas.
how many times will this happen? do u know that the muslims(hausas) believe they are the only ones who can manage the knives in destroying lives.
i am praying for a day when anyone who supports evil will a have a test of it.
a day when all the destruction of lives and properties belonging to the ibos will stop.
when the ibo communities will be left alone to continnue their inidividual struggles for which they are known and do that in peace.
why is it the ibos and their properties that are always on target.
please seun if you are looking for a topic, i suggest you put for us "why is it always the ibos the target" or " who is behind all these" if we discuss these two topics, we will then talk about "possible solutions"
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nobody2
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well, the situation at hand should not course more wars. since we have two parties here; people saying the onitsha people did well(which i belong) and the group saying they did not act well, let us pray and hope that things like this affect them soonest so that they will teach the onitsha people how to behave.
we will look forward for a man living and struggling with his whole family for over 38 years only to wkae up one morning and loose all his life efforts to unknown people for unknown reasons and we here to wait for a government that never answer to seat on a round table to advise against voilence.
could anyone tell me what such a man who lost his whole family and life efforts to such will be living for. no way, God will surely give such man power to revenge
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toshmann (m)
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honestly i don't know why seun is so bitter about reprisal attacks(which is understandable on its own but, )but he is apparently not emphatically bitter about the primary attacks that lead to the reprisals.abi no be innocent people die for north?
he said the reprisal wont stop future attacks,hmmn.but the attacks had no effect on the cartoons. the guy who drew those cartoons said he has no regrets.period.this guy may not even be a christain(europeans are generally secular,don't believe the bible or God or Jesus)
Emphasis should be on prevention of future attacks. more should be done about this religious issue in nigeria.
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Tetris (f)
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here's a thot: ,
Emphasis should be on prevention of future attacks. more should be done about this religious issue in nigeria.
the CAN-man's press release was rather interesting, it was almost if not quite a threat. so if the leaders' stances and advocations are coming to this, well, , perhaps an option is to totally secularize the state and place a ban on religion, better yet look for a religion that unifies all faith.  - millitary rule comes to mind. ah yes, and ban on freedom of speech, ban on use of the i'net and watching cable , alas i can see it now, ! perhaps the wars are not so bad, ?  |
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Mariory (m)
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Posted by: toshmann
he said the reprisal wont stop future attacks,hmmn.but the attacks had no effect on the cartoons. the boy who drew those cartoons said he has no regrets.period.this boy may not even be a christain(europeans are generally secular,don't believe the bible or God or Jesus)
That's not true. Quite a number of Europeans are religious but, they have managed to seperate religion from politics. There are also a number of traditionally Islamic countries that have also managed to do the same. Kingdom of Jordan to name just one. there is no reason why we can't acheive this being primariry Christain and Muslim. I think part of our problem comes from the moderates both North and South but, especially from the North not coming out in the open against these fudmentalists that keep causing trouble. |
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toshmann (m)
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I think part of our problem comes from the moderates both North and South but, especially from the North not coming out in the open against these fudmentalists that keep causing trouble.
may be. at that time,moderate muslims all over the u.k came to london to demonstrate peacefully.they showed the world the true side of islam.i think nigerian moderate muslims should do the same. |
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whirlweend (m)
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Moderates or no moderates,those so called fundamentalist in the north will never stop these killings unless the Government clamps down very hard on them especially their leaders.Believe me thses people don't just wake up in the morning and start killing,more often than not they are worked up and propelled by what their leaders tell them.What does a common almajiri(whatever they call them) know about cartoons in a danish paper if he wasnt told by knowledgeable people?.Last year I got a very very lucrative job with one of the GSM operators and I was posted to Bauchi,I had to turn down the job because of safety reasons,imagine I m in my country and I don't feel safe in certain parts,maybe by now I would have been a victim of the riots, well heaven knows I would have taken down 10 or more before going down.
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toshmann (m)
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well heaven knows I would have taken down 10 or more before going down.
lol, to strike 1st and ask questios later aint it? lol |
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whirlweend (m)
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Yeah man,that is the rule of the game and its high time they get it into their thick skull that 'no one man has the monopoly of viloence'.I heard the Governor of Kano talking about averting riots in Kano and feeling good with himself but the truth is that the Ibos in Kano are heavily armed,armed to their bone marrow,I bet u that any sort of assault weapon you can imagine they will surely have.After the last massacre in kano in the past,those murderers have learnt their lesson,I m sure they even pretended they didnt hear about the cartoons.Can bow and arrow match AK-47,pump or an Uzzi rifle?
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