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Jackal (m)
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Secondary Virginity . . . . . . . . . (tnaidaR's category) If there's ever been an oxymoron that blew me away, this one is it. The point of virginity is that once it's gone, it's gone for good. And no matter how long a woman waits, it's not coming back. So these women that say that they've had sex in the past, but now want to wait until they're married before having sex again are really in a league of their own. There's nothing wrong with wanting to wait until marriage, but let's call it something different, shall we? How about, "it didn't feel good the first time" or "I made a big mistake?" It's definitely not virginity at the secondary, elementary, or even sedentary level for that matter. What cha think? Did i hit the nail on its muthafucking head? 
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k0be
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Lol jackal Okaynow seriously, don't be naive. How is the world run? How do you think leaders run countrieseverything that people do is motivated by what other people think. Even the way you think was shaped be the people around you, just like how I think is shaped by the people around me. So when some people think a certain way, and feel the need to lie about stuff, they did it because of what they've been exposed to. What they have been taught by the people around them. No, its not rightno doubt. But I blame the men more. culture, tradition, jobs, yes I know. It's not a a matter of naivety don't draw it out of context. In the frame you're thinking of it that would be correct yes, but no you don't run your life based on what another man would think of you, that would be a very foolish mistake to make. lies aren't prerequisites for finding true love. a lie is one of the worst, if not the worst of impressions you can make on a guy. What has got you thinking this way? If your environment teaches you to be a crook you don't have to oblige, you can make a statement like "i am a liar because the people around me are" or "i am a murderer because my father was" YOU have to do what is right. |
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tnaidaR (f)
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Jackal, you a goat  How u sure that's my cat? Yeye boy |
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tnaidaR (f)
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What cha going to do?
Hook up with ya? |
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Jackal (m)
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Hook up with me?
Confess which of the CATs are u then i would know what to do.
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PTBNaija (f)
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Lol jackal
culture, tradition, jobs, yes I know.
It's not a a matter of naivety don't draw it out of context. In the frame you're thinking of it that would be correct yes, but no you don't run your life based on what another man would think of you, that would be a very foolish mistake to make. lies aren't prerequisites for finding true love. a lie is one of the worst, if not the worst of impressions you can make on a guy. What has got you thinking this way? If your environment teaches you to be a crook you don't have to oblige, you can make a statement like "i am a liar because the people around me are" or "i am a murderer because my father was" YOU have to do what is right.
Ok. |
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k0be
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ok? don't just succumb the discussion like that, if you disagree it's fine. it's just that we'll have to agree to disagree.
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uoe80 (f)
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PTB and JACKAL,
I respect my home girl's view on the issue of VIRGINITY but jackal has really educated me.Kobe wetin woman do u?meanwhile have you guys heard of REBIRTH VIRGINITY?when u give your life to christz"zold things are passed away and u become new"
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PTBNaija (f)
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Wellyou took the words right out of my mouth  Agreed that we disagree. |
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k0be
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rebirth virginity? uoe stop being delusional.
ptb, I wouldn't want to meet you, telling me lying about virginity is okay because it's what boys want to hear.
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PTBNaija (f)
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@k0be Please read my posts again as I never said it was okay. I only said there was a reason behind it. . .   |
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k0be
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unacceptable reason. the reason is bad and beyond comprehension. would you burn your hand on a hot stove because someone else does it? no.
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Jackal (m)
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PTB and JACKAL,
I respect my home girl's view on the issue of VIRGINITY but jackal has really educated me.Kobe wetin woman do u?meanwhile have you guys heard of REBIRTH VIRGINITY?when u give your life to christz"zold things are passed away and u become new"
Re-birth Virginity? I have never heard of that. Meanwhile, i am not saying GUYS should necessarily avoid VIRGINS like a plague. What we are saying is WOMEN should come clean about their past and tell WE guys their status. A Woman's past is her past and i don't give a mess about it . . . . . . . .IT is what happens while we r together that really counts. Who says VIRGINS are saints? There are NON-VIRGINS who have good hearts and keep their heads straight than the so-called VIRGINS/ Let every woman say the truth. |
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Jackal (m)
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@ K0be, don't crucify PTB Naija, She's only playing the Devil's Advocate for the women. She is not saying LYING is OK but she is only trying to shed light on the reasons why WOMEN lie about their VIRGINITY. To be fair, some MEN can be very idiotic about the subject in question. A good example is Kanu Nwankwo who flew to Nigeria to marry a 18 yr-old VIRGIN. A gurl he has never met. How sick is that? It is MEN like this that gives Women the impetus to lie about their HYMEN STATUS especially tanidaR |
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k0be
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ok so from now on whenever a girl tells you she's a virgin, you should jump to the automatic assumption that sh e's not, because you know she's lying?
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PTBNaija (f)
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unacceptable reason. the reason is bad and beyond comprehension. would you burn your hand on a hot stove because someone else does it? no.
I'm sorry but burning your hand on a stove and a woman lying about her virginity are two completely different things. So they really don't make for a good comparison. I'm not talking about copying behaviors that others doand that because others do it, justifies others for doing it as well. Of course that's a horrible reason. I'm talking about people being driven to do things. I don't think lying about your virginity is right, it's deceitful of course. But for those that do, I can understand. When Nigerian men are so focused on marrying virginspeople will lie. k0be, have you ever lied a little to get what you want? People lie on resumes to get jobs (maybe they have been out of jobs for years and really need that one), people lie on college applications to boost their standings. People are reduced to stealing food to feed starving families. Is it necessarily right? Noof course not. But you can still empathize and understand why they did it. @ K0be, don't crucify PTB Naija, She's only playing the Devil's Advocate for the women. She is not saying LYING is OK but she is only trying to shed light on the reasons why WOMEN lie about their VIRGINITY. To be fair, some MEN can be very idiotic about the subject in question. A good example is Kanu Nwankwo who flew to Nigeria to marry a 18 yr-old VIRGIN. A girl he has never met. How sick is that? It is MEN like this that gives Women the impetus to lie about their HYMEN STATUS especially tanidaR Thanks for understanding the intent of my posts. ok so from now on whenever a girl tells you she's a virgin, you should jump to the automatic assumption that sh e's not, because you know she's lying?
You don't know if shes lying or not. And shame on youthat kind of attitude will get you nowhere. |
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Jackal (m)
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@ PTB Naija,
Touche.
You have made your point.
People do horrible things all the time but sometimes one can understand where they are coming from.
When drug-addicts commit crime . . . . . . they don't get maximum punishment because everyone knows they have to feed their habits.
The Law Enforcers know CRIME aint kool but they understand addicts do everything possible to get a fix and to get a fix desperately, crimes have to be perpetrated.
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k0be
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I'm sorry but burning your hand on a stove and a woman lying about her virginity are two completely different things. So they really don't make for a good comparison. I'm not talking about copying behaviors that others doand that because others do it, justifies others for doing it as well. Of course that's a horrible reason. I'm talking about people being driven to do things. I don't think lying about your virginity is right, it's deceitful of course. But for those that do, I can understand.
When Nigerian men are so focused on marrying virginspeople will lie. k0be, have you ever lied a little to get what you want? People lie on resumes to get jobs (maybe they have been out of jobs for years and really need that one), people lie on college applications to boost their standings. People are reduced to stealing food to feed starving families. Is it necessarily right? Noof course not. But you can still empathize and understand why they did it.
excuses again! i've told you about these excuses. you introducing excuses for lying is no different from my comparing hand burning in hot stove to virginity, it doesn't make it the right thing to do. yes they're different, but absolutely comparable. you're telling me the reason leads them to lie, I agree it does, but it shouldn't. just know not all reasons should dictate how you live, especially when dealing with matters of the heart, it isn't a "little lie". a lie like that can cause you an emotional breakdown when the truth is revealed. same repercussions for those who lie on job apps, once found out they are most likely to get dismissed. |
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PTBNaija (f)
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But why should it be an emotional breakdown. Because some stupid man places all emphasize, and makes the very foundation of the relationship all about that womans virginity.
Honestlywhat exactly are you trying to say? Because I seem to be losing sight of what exactly your point is.
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k0be
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ptb, if people continue to drive you to do things, they will drive you to an early grave. become an independent thinker, do what is right for you. this is the problem plaguing american teenagers and I'm glad you brought it up, it's peer pressure. "if i don't do it my friends will think i'm not cool, my boyfriend won't like me anymore." it's very stupid.
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k0be
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But why should it be an emotional breakdown. Because some stupid man places all emphasize, and makes the very foundation of the relationship all about that womans virginity.
Honestlywhat exactly are you trying to say? Because I seem to be losing sight of what exactly your point is. it would be an emotional breakdown because you put yourself in that situation. you shouldn't have put yourself in a position to be broken-hearted. you should try first-time honesty for a change, it works well, that way you know your relationship isn't hinging on what you have to hide. let me add that the man you called stupid did not emphasize on the virginity, she did, that's why she lied to him. unless he comes up to you and says "you must be a virgin" you shouldn't assume he values you on virginity. what am i trying to say? sorry if I am scattering your head, what I've been saying is clear: you don't have to lie about being a virgin. the excuses you've been making don't justify the lie. if it's a risk you're willing to take, go ahead, but blame no one but yourself when your relationship crashes. |
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PTBNaija (f)
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Well the society itself places so much emphasis on it, so how would the girl know unless he invites and creates an honest environment in the relationship. Isn't it the person who's being perceived incorrectly to change that misconception?
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k0be
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you've mentioned that several times. it would be unproductive if we go in circles. if you want the guy to create an honest environment in the relationship, that's a good foundation to build a relationship upon, but shouldn't you also oblige and follow in those footsteps of honesty, not based on a societal hunch. all guys are different.
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PTBNaija (f)
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Well good, all girls are different and not all girls lie. So why make this thread to begin with? A little hypocriticalno?
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spoilt (f)
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a lof of virgins are only technical virgins.
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k0be
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no. not when it asks a question, it didn't offer a closed conclusion.
i made this thread for responses like yours, it wouldn't have been ousted if the thread hadn't been started. okay to lie because the boy gave them the reason to. hmm
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k0be
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now you have to be more specific about the type of virginity you ask. technical virgin, secondary virgin, re-birthed virgin, anal-virgin, vaginal virgin, etc.
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PTBNaija (f)
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no. not when it asks a question, it didn't offer a closed conclusion.
i made this thread for responses like yours, it wouldn't have been ousted if the thread hadn't been started. okay to lie because the boy gave them the reason to. hmm
Maybe you can't read. Where in all of my posts did I say it was okay to lie because the guy gave you a reason? From what I understand/intended my posts to say, it's not okay to liebut some lie becauseetc. Stop putting words in my mouth  |
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k0be
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I am yet to put words in your mouth that you haven't said yourself. you say some lie because and that's why it's acceptable, but it's not acceptable.
you shouldn't have tried to justify their lies by saying it's a little lie.
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PTBNaija (f)
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Ummmwhy would I lie about it? Geez k0bejust because you don't agree with something doesn't mean you shouldn't understand where they are coming from. You better learn or it might happen to you  |
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k0be
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You don't know if shes lying or not. And shame on youthat kind of attitude will get you nowhere. the kind of attitude that says "I can understand why she lied" will cause you suffrage, try threading that path. |
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