Roman Catholic Is Not A Church, But A Modernised Way Of Idolatry?

@Hnd-holder,

Long time no see, no hear, no read. . ! It's all good.


Be careful small-small. Catholics did not "write" the Bible - unless you're saying that Moses and the prophets were 'Catholics'.

Catholic church is not the same as Roman catholic church. We still have the traditional catholic.
Pilgrim 1 I miss u send your ID to me I love to contact you. Please note that the old testament scriptures were quoted freely in the new. All the scriptural records are with the catholic and the Jews. Christianity  was viewed as fulfilment of Jewish religion.


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Take fanatics away from here and search from the truth the truth will set you free.

are you for real??


So what you're saying is sex is unclean?


You just committed catholicide!!!!! They are free to have sex? enh enh. i been no know o!


You wan yab and you no dey hear English



@naomijt
His point is: pedophilia's perfectly okay for priests. They'll confess after the act, "that grace may abound".

Another point is make you no dey shallow of knowledge, and keep your ignorant

*sista, i like that your reply for class o. on Paul's sufferings.

GET A LIFE, AND STOP BEING JEALOUS OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Its no use running when you are on the wrong road.

I am a  YORUBA man and a  PhD holder in Engineering. I obtained a post graduate Diploma in Hydraulics from an English University and Top manager  I do not need to hear English because English people refused to hear my language.

 Sex is a known language in USA. Please leave catholic priests alone. As one time lecturer in a Seminary we understand we should leave people like you alone. But you need not to be a fool since silence is the best answer for fools who just love making noise. I know some people just want to use nairaland to kill loneliness

I hope you studied in Yoruba since you do not need to "hear" English And the English people refused to learn your language? Didn't you tell them the uncountable benefits for them if they speak Yoruba? LOL
Are you announcing that you're lonely that's why you're here? and why don't you heed your seminary's warning to avoid topics like this? it will do you good. At least, you won't expose your ignorance too much
Anyway, we're going off topic.

@~Lady~


I've tried to avoid you like i was warned to do. But you always seek me out OK, why do you insist that i be the one to answer your questions? please go back and read through my posts and tell me why you are asking me to answer for issues i never contested with u. whether your opinions on them are right or not. i didn't and still don't know your opinions on them. only thing on your list i talked about was your "keys to the kingdom" obsession. You explained that. touche! Even though it doesn't answer how come Peter's the first POPE, does ROCK translate into POPE? or the election of the Pope by cardinals, the Pope being God incarnate, the regalia, the involvement in politics and wars and racism all that. How does Peter meaning Rock explain all these? Those were the issues I raised. Your solve-all answer is "God gave Peter the keys" You ignore other issues i raised and believe you've answered all "our" questions by proving the existence of the "keys to the kingdom"

I don't know where you are going with this, but read my posts and tell me where my assertions tally with your questions and i will be glad to answer.

@imhotep
If Peter looked anything like your pope looks in that pic, he'D never have been able to deny Jesus a good three times. unmistakable outfit

It is a pity for those that can not seek for the truth.
Keep to your protesting faith.

Why? I am seeking the truth just as you all have asked me to. Now that I am asking questions all of a sudden cat got your tongue.
What are those people afraid that you might learn the truth and you might actually see reason and logic behind the Church's teachings?
If we don't teach the truth and if we don't understand the Bible then what's the harm, at worst I could learn "the truth"

When you were having fun asking questions no one said I will avoid you, but now that we are asking questions you refuse to answer. It only says hypocrites.
If you truly are a truthful person, you would answer the questions. It is not about me, I could care less if you avoid me, but at least answer the question out of fairness.


The questions are not for you alone. They're for everyone to answer. I did not single you out in all honesty when I posted the questions the names I called are David and AKO, I never said your name.
But you like going on a rampage on insulting people you do not know. I could care less anyway, I just want you to answer the question.
For someone who seems to know the truth you avid spreading the truth. Will it kill you to answer the question? Me think not.
At least be fair and answer the question. All you do is show that your motives are deceitful.
If you feel the only question that is single out to you is the ne of the keys to the Kingdom of heaven having to do with Peter then answer it.
If you feel that my questions are not fair, then say so.
Would it be better if I post scriptural reference to the Catholic belief and then have you interpret it for me?
Which ever way is best, I am willing to go that route.
I just think it's hilarious that those who have claimed to know the Bible cannot even answer simple questions dealing with the Bible. It becomes a taboo to ask a question. It is never taboo to ask a question, you never know who is reading they might gain some knowledge.
So spread the knowledge and in all fairness answer the questions. You can't bash us and make comments without backing it up.


Actually it does answer how come Peter's the first Pope. The Pope is the leader of the Church, hence when Christ said and upon this rock I will build my church. Rock does not translate into Pope, and maybe that has been the problem, the word POPE is what's bothering you, would it be better to call him "The One Christ gave the Keys to the Kingdom of heaven to"? Fine that's what he would be called.
How does that mean that the Popes are successors of Peter? Because Christ said that the gates of hell shall never prevail against his Church. Meaning it will last for ever. You don't appoint a leader to a position and expect the position to die off when the person dies. If so then Christ didn't plan on his Church lasting till the end time.
It only makes sense that when he positioned the apostles he planned on having successors to those positions, hence why today we have the Apostles who are priests, missionaries, bishops, archbishops, sisters, and so on. These people are sent out to spread the gospel, that's what apostle means.
Why do we take apostolic succession so seriosuly, there's a passage by St. Paul (I can't think of it right now, I'll look it up for you) that spoke of those who were christians who were supposedly preaching the gospel to the churches and St. Paul basically stated that those people weren't "sent out" by any of the apostle, meaning no random person can wake up and walk into a church and start preaching.
We also see in the acts of the apsotles that before anyone was sent out they had to receive blessing from the apostles, basically being ordained to spread the gospel. On several occasions apostle Paul talks about sending someone out to the Churches. That also showed that they were very organised and it wasn't a bunch of Churches on their own just doing whatever they want, they were united with the other churches that were founded at that time already.

Lol, the Pope is not God incarnate that's just you adding your own in there, he is the Vicar of Christ, i.e. and Ambassador of Christ, and from the Power of the keys that were handed over to the office of Vicar of Christ, the Pope can certainly make decisions and as Christ said "whatsoever he binds on earth can be bound in heaven, and whatsoever he looses on earth is loose in heaven"

What is wrong with the regalia is that bothering you? Those are vestments and they have several appropriate for the seasons of the liturgical year or for the appropriate mass that is being celebrated. For example for a funeral, black is worn.
You all dress yourselves up, is it wrong for him to dress too? At least you all get to choose what you wear, he doesn't.

Okay the Pope is not involved in world politics. He condemns actions of heads of state that are immoral for example the Iraq war and he meets with them because guess what, people live in those nations and Catholics live everywhere even in the middle east (they're running for their lives for their belief in christ) but they live there. The Church condemns the death penalty because we believe in sanctity of life, we beg the heads of state to care for the people and help in alleviating the ailment of the poor. And things of that sort. I think if people actually get to know what it is the Pope discusses they won't give the man such a hard time. He knows that these leaders have the power to change the world and he hopes that they have enough respect for him and Christ that they will listen and start helping people.

All Catholics are called to be active in the politics of their nation so that laws can be passed to help people rather than condemn them, laws can be passed to respect the sanctity of life, marriage, and so on.
We know that our faith doesn't just stop in church, it continues in school, at work, at the market, wherever we may be.
Our faith isn't to just go to church, and let me get me and my own salvation and go home and do whatever. No we are to show the love of Christ to everyone, everywhere even to those who threaten us. We are to stop complaining, join our suffering to the sufferings of Christ on the Cross for the salvation of souls.

If only you all will take your time and learn truly what the Church teaches you won't have a problem with us. You misunderstand us, and to be truthful when I have conversations with people who are sincere and they are saying things out of ignorance when they actually take their time to learn about the church and her teachings, they become catholics themselves.
Why do I call a lot of people on this board deceitful, because they don't want to know what the church teaches, they just want to start strife, and you can tell who these people are because they are quick to ask questions and when questions are thrown at them they run and hide, and then say o you're asking the wrong questions, and that's irrelevant. There is no such thing as an irrelevant question. That says something about who they are, they cannot face the truth and they refuse to be fair. The next day up comes another bashing moment.
Ask them to interpret certain passages they go an quote another passage, how is that interpreting?

My thing is if you want to attack the Church, fine, but be willing to answer questions yourselves. It only shows cowards and deceitful people.

Peter meaning rock explains that Christ created the position of the leader of the apostles, the Vicar of Christ, whom today we call Pope. Peter's name was changed from Simon to Peter for a reason, God doesn't just change a name for the sake of it, we see that in Abraham and in Jacob whom he called Israel. If Christ was changing Sions name to Peter meaning rock and then saying that on that Peter he wil build his church, I thought it would be clear to you that Christ created the position that we call Pope today, he wasn't called Pope in the beginning, until later on a couple of centuries later i believe, it's actually Papa meaning father, as in the father of the church (NOT GOD THE FATHER). But the head of Christ's church on earth.
And then Christ went on to give him the Rock the keys to the kingdom of heaven, and gave him the power to bind and loose on earth.
All that shows that Christ did create this position that we call Pope today. And as it is an office, it always has a successor.

What pains me so much is when people say that the Catholic church killed off the true Christians, because in that statement they say that Christ's church wasn't strong enough, and that when Christ said that the gates of hell will never prevail against his church, he didn't mean it. I mean Christ didn't mean what he said?
It's so silly that in their hatred and blindness and contempt for the Church they claim that those who were killed basically those who said that Christ isn't God and that his human nature is separate from his divine nature were the true Christians.
It's just sad that people have so much hatred in their heart that they will go so far as to deny Christ's divinity. Granted they don't realise that they're doing so, but it's sad all the same.


Like I stated above the quesions weren't posted towards you alone. Don't be offended, that is not my intent. Just answer the ones you feel you can answer.

@~Lady~
we're back to square one. I don't know why you miss the point. I'm saying you NEVER "answered" OUR own "questions" (you're the one calling them that). We make undisputable claims about RCC and the next thing we see are your 101 questions phrased from your RCC viewpoint. Frankly, how does answering all of your questions clear the facts we pointed out about the RCC? I repeated the isues you avoided in my last post and your inevitable reply is still "The one Christ gave the keys to the kingdom of heaven to".  is that the only area you dispute: pope's legitimacy?. In fact, you were the one who brought up this "keys, keys, keys" thing at all. And it's taken you over. You sound like a broken record.

Please go read your post from yesterday then repeat that you never singled me out to answer your pointless questions.

Also, you've taken great pains to show that Christ's church will never peter out (forgive the pun). But how does that prove the RCC is Christ's church? If Jesus were here today, would he be a Roman Catholic? Or even a "christian" for that matter? I don't believe so for certain reasons which i've pointed out and which you are yet to address (even though i don't need further info on them)

Right from my response to your first post directed at me, i've said i find the "christian" label dubious and i don't ascribe it to myself , even though i respect the wishes of people who choose to. Jesus wasn't a "christian" and i prefer to follow Him and His teachings rather than any "organised religion". That has been my standpoint from the start. You can go and check. The Protestants and Pentecostals you allude to subtly in your last post are not any less guilty than the RCC in drifting away from Christ's teaching. This thread is not for issues relating to those "denominations" and i've stuck to the issue at hand: the RCC. Check my postings on other threads and you'll see my opinions on them.

I've not even hinted that you or anyone else should leave the RCC. It's not my business where anyone worships. whatever makes u happy, do it. I just pointed out FACTS which you can take or leave.

Shalom

You no get elders for your village enh?
LOL LOL

Ok this sounds funny, but I know better so I won't laugh.

You know very well that heaven and hell is real. Even if one leaves the Catholic faith they do not abandon God, there's too much evidence about God. The Church knows so much about him because he has revealed everything to us, the only thing we do not know is the second coming of Christ. No one knows that except the Father, and anyone who claims to know is dead wrong, and anyone who is trying to figure it out will never get it.

There's too much evidence of the existence of God in the Church for you to not believe.

You never even told me why you lost faith. SO why did you? If you don't want to discuss it here, you can e-mail me.

But you know I'll always keep you in my prayers 

the return of uncle Dauda. . . 

Lady is still spamming the threads as usual with nonsense . . . just look at this heresy she said here . . .


Here is what the bible says - Matt 25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh

Maybe God has told Lady when He is coming.

Hi @Viable,


I'm sorry, even though we may all have differing views on certain issues in our Christian faith, I don't see how one may use Daniel 7:25 to refer to the Catholic Church as fulfilling the prophecy in that verse. Changing times and laws is not perculiar - because so many denominations also have changed so many things as well; and why are they not also said to be fulfilling the prophey of that verse?

It is easy for people to snatch verses here and there and arrive at some ideas that they can use to disdain others that belong to another group. Of course, Catholicism has several matters that we may not agree with; and as well, there are other issues in Protestanticism that we can't defend Biblically either (yes, I'm a protestant). . . and there are so many things that Adventists and sabbatarians cannot defend from the same Bible. However, it would be our happy privileg to carefully seek to understand the Word of God and not use it as a battering ram against others just because they don't fit into our own perceptions. What you don't find as a Biblical practice in Catholicism, you can share them without pushing just about any verse to draw a conclusion that is far removed from what is being taught in God's Word.

Shalom.

@~Lady~
I hope David's answers to your questions aptly point out how silly i've been trying to tell you they are. The phrasing of those questions are bizarre at best. Questions 15 and 16 are cases in point. simply pointless.

You may have missed the part of my posts that said the only thing that God has not revealed to us is the second coming of Christ. Before you make claims, why don't you read first?

The simple answer would be yes or no. WHEN YOU STOP BEING A COWARD AND START ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS, THEN YOU CAN GET SOMEWHERE.

As usual you don't answer the question.
I guess when Christ was saying this he was lying abi.

Matthew 16:19
I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven.

What keys? The keys to the kingdom of heaven. What was Jesus saying in that passage?


How does this answer my question. Did you tell me anything about the keys to the kingdom of heaven? When will you stop being a coward.