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EloSela (f)
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This thread is about class of citizenship and you have now jumped to start talking about class in general.
If you must know class does not determine how one is treated as a citizen in their own country but in Nigeria it does.
The richest man in Britain does not speak like the Queen and I am sure that their palates are not the same either and he would be considered an upper class, as would his children. However, someone like me would have the same right as his children because we both have the same citizenship. Anyone can adopt a certain type of etiquette and claim to be of a certain class, as class, whether it be upper, middle or lower is not an official designation like citizenship.
Class and citizenship are two different entities and every citizen in Britain, America and most western nations can freely exercise this right regardless of whatever class or colour they are considered to be. Can you say the same for Nigerians?. . . . no!
That is why a teacher can be beaten and burnt to death by her students. If that teacher had been a rich person's daughter or wife, the killers would have been rounded up and put in front of a firing squad.
That is why Big Bully Dare Obasanjo can boldly walk into the room of another grown man without permission, snap his picture and publish it on the world wide web for all and sundry to see.
to him as his servant.
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lucabrasi (m)
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fair enough and all i was doing was analysing the whole class thing as well and the diffrent hooks to it as it is not straight foward
the richest people are foreigners so it stands to reason that they wont speak like the queen ,also most of the multi millionaires and bilionaires who are of british descent made most of their money during the labour era and their background s mostly working class or working class,the rich men who are conservatives have a diffrent accent,even i with my naija accent know that.
i don't want to keep banging on about this equal rights n sturvs issue but ill repeat myself again,u might have the same passport as they have but you definitely don't have the same rights,we were all in this country when one of prince charle's internal memo was published by the mirror newspapers where he said people don't know their places and the world is turning to something else because an afro carribean personal assistant working in the royal office applied for promotion.
of course class and citizenship are two diff things,citizenship is d basic but it doesnt put food on the table neither will it give u a career, also i disagree there as well its clear and i can give examples of cases in uk and us where class made some people treated diffrent
quick example because of time and space,in the uk we r still waiting for the result of the cash for honours, the man was let off the hook because of his class in the society, nobody was prosecuted apart from a minor employee or so, in america we can't start to count but george bush gets away with a lot without questions because of class,u don't even need to go far just check out any of michael moores docu-drama, the same thing in nigeria happens in the uk and the usa the only diffrence is that they are suble and discreet with it, david cameron having his fotos in the papers riding a bicycle to work with his 4.6 latest jaguar following behind,we hear all the scandals of the mps and the lords e.t.c cheating and going round the system ,we heard the scandal of tony blair and the flat that caused some wahala like 2 years ago, abeg sin is sin ,corruption is corruption anywhere in the world they r all the same thats why the rulers abroad all come around to hang out in nigeria
dare obasanjo is simplybehaving true to type as his father's son,and its public knowledge that the name obasanjo is hated in nigeria,even the man's daughter said it on bbc that anything that has to do with hier father is hated
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EloSela (f)
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i don't want to keep banging on about this equal rights n sturvs issue but ill repeat myself again,u might have the same passport as they have but you definitely don't have the same rights,
With all due respect, you are merely a visitor in a foreign country and I think that it is highly ludicrous of you to purport to know what it means to be born Black and up in Britain. Further more, I know my rights and I don't need the likes of you, a foreigner, telling me what they are and if and how they supposedly differ from a person who so happens to have a different skin tone to myself. And as for Dare, the fact that no one really blinked an eyelid in Nigeria shows that Big Oga always wins.  |
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big_bumper (f)
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Polite question please, with all due respect, where can I get to stamp my forehead with born black and raised in the UK, so that people can stop confusing me with Lubracasi the foreigner. I would have preferred a Black British stamp though as I have a very small head. Sorry o lubracassi, I honestly did not mean to insult you o, its just that Ife where I come from and Modakeke where you come from don't get along, and then throwing the fact that you are a foreigner and I am a Britico into the equation doesn't help the situation at all. I am working on how to stop being tribalistic, I really am.  |
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big_bumper (f)
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Is the man in the pic below a second class citizen. . . I say no. I am not even sure if he would qualify to enter into the 10th class of citizenship, despite being a Nigerian in his own country and employed by the then President of Nigeria.  Which class of citizen is this man in Nigeria?“One of the servants sitting down on the bed of his one room apartment. You can see the entire apartment in this shot.” - Dare ObasanjoAs you can see, this poor soul was not even allowed to freshen up after getting up from bed before Big Oga’s son busted into his quarters and snapped this pic so he could show of to his oyinbo friends on the world wide web that his father has ‘servants’ Further more Big Oga, did not even see fit to buy the man a decent bed, despite this man being a Nigerian citizen in Nigeria, never mind a human being like Big Oga himself.  First class citizen! My Fada has money! One can surely imagine the uproar that would follow if people like the Bush Twins or Prince William and Harry took pictures of the servants in The White House or Buckingham Palace to show off on their personal web sites, never mind if the Servants looked as pitiful as the one above. Of course that would be unheard off but in Nigeria if you if you are the offspring of a Big Oga then one can basically get away with murder. A society where one is considered less than human, never mind a citizen in any class, because one doesn’t have the right amount of money, is a society that needs a drastic revolution before it can progress. Please stop worrying about the class of citizenship in other countries and sort out your own first. http://grandioseparlor.com/2007/04/a-presidential-servant/ I agree too that the man in the picture is not a second class citizen. The second time I am agreeing with you, you see Siena, the psychic, was right that me and you are going to be best of friends by force, by hook or by crook.
This thread is about class of citizenship and you have now jumped to start talking about class in general.
If you must know class does not determine how one is treated as a citizen in their own country but in Nigeria it does.
The richest man in Britain does not speak like the Queen and I am sure that their palates are not the same either and he would be considered an upper class, as would his children. However, someone like me would have the same right as his children because we both have the same citizenship. Anyone can adopt a certain type of etiquette and claim to be of a certain class, as class, whether it be upper, middle or lower is not an official designation like citizenship.
Class and citizenship are two different entities and every citizen in Britain, America and most western nations can freely exercise this right regardless of whatever class or colour they are considered to be. Can you say the same for Nigerians?. . . . no!
That is why a teacher can be beaten and burnt to death by her students. If that teacher had been a rich person's daughter or wife, the killers would have been rounded up and put in front of a firing squad.
That is why Big Bully Dare Obasanjo can boldly walk into the room of another grown man without permission, snap his picture and publish it on the world wide web for all and sundry to see.
to him as his servant.
Again with all due respect, your post was in regards to Obasanjo's son social status class, and has no affiliation with the topic at hand about second-class citizen. You dragged Nigeria into the equation and class in Nigeria is determined either by occupation, wealth, net-worth, education, qualification, family backgrounds, etc. All that buffoon was doing was to ingratiate himself with those whom he felt were in a better position than him hence his need for his "look at me I am so rich I have a servant" stance. |
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lucabrasi (m)
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With all due respect, you are merely a visitor in a foreign country and I think that it is highly ludicrous of you to purport to know what it means to be born Black and up in Britain. Further more, I know my rights and I don't need the likes of you, a foreigner, telling me what they are and if and how they supposedly differ from a person who so happens to have a different skin tone to myself. And as for Dare, the fact that no one really blinked an eyelid in Nigeria shows that Big Oga always wins. i totally agree with you jare lol im a foreigner in britain lol im prolly more abreast about these things more than u are because im still in school and politics is actually part of my programme,seeing as u have left uni a while back but by all means check it out on google or wikipedia, im not a genius or just formulatn stuffs its what i get taught in your british schools that i talk about on here no one blinks in nigeria because who cares, i didnt even know one dare obasanjo excisted untill i saw this, the onli ones nigeria know are gbenga and iyabo obasanjo and everybody s after their ass at the moment,why did she jump her back fence to escape the efcc if big oga always wins,and why is gbenga running helter skelter if big oga always wins,go check the iyabo's interview on bbc then u ll know big oga doesnt always win @big bumper exsactly all he was doing was showing off to people he perceived were of a better class,if not he wouldnt get a photo of the guy all d way from nigeria just to show his fellow nigerians, especially because the average nigerian has a gateman and driver e.t.c its prolly to show some foreigners or white people that im like u or the same level as u are Polite question please, with all due respect, where can I get to stamp my forehead with born black and raised in the UK, so that people can stop confusing me with Lubracasi the foreigner. I would have preferred a Black British stamp though as I have a very small head. Sorry o lubracassi, I honestly did not mean to insult you o, its just that Ife where I come from and Modakeke where you come from don't get along, and then throwing the fact that you are a foreigner and I am a Britico into the equation doesn't help the situation at all. I am working on how to stop being tribalistic, I really am. lol,so thats why your even calln me lubracassi abi , so you r from ife,u better warn that your ooni of ife who is causing wahala everywhere turning pdp against pdp and pdp against ac,he has turned himself into another adedibu,don't worry o my papa actually supports the ife stance and we have never supported the whole modakeke "we must stay" fight lol don't worry ill go and look for britico to marry me so that i can be a britico too,ill find a way to hide the marriage from my pop so he doesnt kill me |
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EloSela (f)
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Again with all due respect, your post was in regards to Obasanjo's son social status class, and has no affiliation with the topic at hand about second-class citizen. You dragged Nigeria into the equation and class in Nigeria is determined either by occupation, wealth, net-worth, education, qualification, family backgrounds, etc.
All that buffoon was doing was to ingratiate himself with those whom he felt were in a better position than him hence his need for his "look at me I am so rich I have a servant" stance.
See you trying to behave all grown up,   I did not 'drag' Nigeria into anything. In case it was lost on you This is a 'Nigerian' board frequented by 'Nigerians' and so if someone starts a thread about 'Nigerians' abroad being 2nd class citizens then it is only a matter of time before someone starts talking about citizenship in Nigeria. Citizenship is all about how people are able to exercise their basic political rights around the world and especially in their own countries. In regards to the picture I posted, it is clearly obvious that there is a class issue at hand but the fact that the 'servant' was not even able to exercise his right to object to Dare posting his pic online clearly shows that his citizenship is not perhaps seen as the same level of as Dare's. If this servant had wanted to bring a lawsuit against Dare, would he be able to exercise his right as a citizen to do so? No, but in America or Britain he would have regardless of colour or race. So all of you people screaming about how you are first class citizens in Nigeria, think about what you are able to do in Nigeria as a so-called first class citizen before you start looking at other countries. In Nigeria, ones political and basic rights are abused every day like this 'Servant'; the reason why many of you continue to run out of the country in droves. |
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EloSela (f)
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i totally agree with you jare lol im a foreigner in britain lol im prolly more abreast about these things more than u are because im still in school and politics is actually part of my programme,seeing as u have left uni a while back but by all means check it out on google or wikipedia
You don't know me or how I live, neither have you shared my life experiences as bing born black and brought up in the UK and so . . . you are not more abreast about anything . Please stick to talking about life growing up in Lagos because you really have no idea about Black Britons. Quoting wikipedia of all places says a lot about your mindset and not in a good way. Everything you have posted in regards to a Black person's class of citizenship and life in the UK is pure hyperbole at best! You also seem to miss the point about Dare which is that there are plenty of people like him who violate the rights of others everyday in Nigeria and get away with it just because of their elevated level of citizenship. This is opposed to others whose social status may not allow them to exercise their full social political status in Nigeria. |
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big_bumper (f)
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See you trying to behave all grown up, I did not 'drag' Nigeria into anything. In case it was lost on you This is a 'Nigerian' board frequented by 'Nigerians' and so if someone starts a thread about 'Nigerians' abroad being 2nd class citizens then it is only a matter of time before someone starts talking about citizenship in Nigeria. Citizenship is all about how people are able to exercise their basic political rights around the world and especially in their own countries. In regards to the picture I posted, it is clearly obvious that there is a class issue at hand but the fact that the 'servant' was not even able to exercise his right to object to Dare posting his pic online clearly shows that his citizenship is not perhaps seen as the same level of as Dare's. If this servant had wanted to bring a lawsuit against Dare, would he be able to exercise his right as a citizen to do so? No, but in America or Britain he would have regardless of colour or race. So all of you people screaming about how you are first class citizens in Nigeria, think about what you are able to do in Nigeria as a so-called first class citizen before you start looking at other countries. In Nigeria, ones political and basic rights are abused every day like this 'Servant'; the reason why many of you continue to run out of the country in droves. Nah mate, no offense mate, but you are the one that is lost  , you accused Lucabrasi of digressing from the topic by talking about Social Class in a Second-Class Citizen thread, whereas you were the one that posted an article of Obasanjo's flaunting his social class status. Comprendo. Anyhow, don't want the likes of me to be seen mingling with foreigners like Lucabrasi, he (modakekes) has been given enough airtime, so . . .  |
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big_bumper (f)
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@ Lucabrasi
Na only amala I go chop? What about the joints on the Island? Aren't they going to get a mention too?
I dey plan travel so I need plenty local knowledge about where to get proper food.
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EloSela (f)
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@Big Bumper
I have already explained what social class was and what I would deemed to be classed as second class. I won't waste my time trying to explain to why I felt Dare's photo's were relevant to this thread so feel free to carry on with your mumbo jumbo as i will not try and rationale with you in future.
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