Glory To Jesus, Honour To Mary! All The Real Catholics Please Stand Up!

I repeat, give Catholics exact instructions of my above post on Imageries (Lamb, Lion and Dove) and not biblical references.  No posting of pictures - Pilgrim take note.

However, Catholics believe they don’t worship Mary or idols, but if Protestants say we worship her or idols – then they are the ones that blasphemy or commit sins against the Holy Name of God, and will be held liable.

@ ebos
Hey brother, i needn't explain any of my actions to you. I am God's creature, and if the word of God is true (as i believe it is) then I will not be judged by whatever Church I go to - be it white garment or red garment- i thought the thread was for people to air their opinion. My opinion is that unlike all the apostasies you preach about only Catholics going to Heaven, the visa to that glorious place is not the name of a church. it is the TOTAL BELIEF in Jesus and the fact thaonly He can save. finito! if u have any problem with that, go and settle it with Jesus, He said so i did not.

So take am easy, u hear?

@Mosetra,
I take am easy.  I no fight you and no intention to so.  we no be enemies here, but your stuff be irk me enough - though na your humble opinion.  Back to the thread.

Make una Protestants also take am easy

At times, I feel like exploding because of the way some people argue without listening.  There was a day I read some stuffs in Nairaland about Catholic, my actions that very day would have landed me in jail due to anger as I was venting my anger on some people on the way.
 
Catholics have said many times that they don’t worship Mary, but Satan would always tell these people – don’t listen to them, just remind them once more what Pope said about Mary, that they should put their trust in her.  What does that mean?

Catholics believe that Jesus is their only saviour, but Satan would still ask them – don’t agree with them, what of those big titles they give only Mary – just call their attention to those names.

Catholics believe idol worship is one of the gravest sins that can incur the wrath of God, yet Satan would still tell them – why not ask them all those statues in their various churches, and Protestants would do as Satan had told them.

Catholics also believe in Infant Baptism – Satan would also push them – ok ask them where infants were baptized in bible, make them quote the portions make we see.  However, Satan cannot tell them to quote the exact portions in the bible that condemned infant baptism, rather they will prefer to give references such as ‘believe and be baptized, that a child cannot believe.’

The truth is that, no portions in the bible condemned infant baptism.  It is even John Chapter 3:5 that encouraged infant baptism because it says NO ONE can enter the kingdom of God except you are born of Water and Spirit.  Here, NO ONE includes children, it didn’t say No Man or Woman, rather NO ONE.  But when Catholic gives such reference in the bible, they will still ask “show us the exact portions where bible instructed that infants should be baptized.  But they have not given us exact portions to back their points.

@Mosetra,


Bo, my sister, I tire! I've been observing from the sidelines and allowing our Catholic friends to confirm those words on marble! 

@ebos,

It's a very funny twist you're devising as defence for Catholicism. I initially piped down to give you guys some room to develop your thoughts; but having watched events from the sidelines, you've prompted a rigorous come back from me on issues which I'd have to address in yours so we don't confuse the dramatic interludes with the core concerns of this thread. Even so, let's examine them in simple terms.


Like I said earlier, everyone is entitled to their understanding of Revelation 12, so I don't see how my points or understanding of that passage should "kick out" cgift's without having done the same to yours. I'm just waiting to see how you came round the point in mine, though.


Nope, I didn't make the inference you're suggesting here. I did infer that the woman in Revelation 12 was neither the Roman Catholic Church, nor even "the Church" founded by the apostles; but that it referred to the nation of Israel.

On the other hand, I stated clearly that: "vs. 4 - the 'dragon' is indeed the 'devil' (cf. Rev. 20:2)" - and not "foreign nation(s)" as you misread my post (please go back and read it again).

@ebos,


There again, that's not correct. The Dragon in Revelation 12 is neither the Jews nor Herod; rather, it is the Devil - compare with Rev. 20:2 - "And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years." Unless you want to accuse the Jews of being the Devil, I don't see how you arrived at equating them to the "Dragon or Herod", lol.

Second, the Dragon was not able to kill the Child because He was "caught up unto God, and to his throne" (Rev. 12:5), and not because the Mother fled to a foreign land (after all, she did not flee into the wilderness with the Child, did she?).

Third, you're contradicting yourself here, my dear eboslol. Did you not say earlier that the dragon was the devil? Why now infer that the Jews would be the "Drogon or Herod" in parenthesis?


Lol. . . you see how misreading people's posts could take you a far way off track?   Okay, rest your heart - pilgrim.1 did NOT claim that the "dragons" (plural) were the foreign nations, biko. Besides, Revelation 12 does not teach that the Child's life was saved by Egypt!   It says rather in verse 5 that He "was caught up unto God, and to his throne" - and that was the reason why the Dragon could not devour Him.

Infact, I simply didn't respond initially to your rejoinder on Revelation 12, because you were attributing assertions to me that I never made. Since you didn't not come back to correct them, I initially teased you when I said: "pilgrim.1 don shut up" - e no mean say I no get wetin to talk!


Remember my anthem? "Na my own I dey jeje when . . . ."  Lol, okay make I keep quiet some more to allow you cool off the steam. I busy today as well - but I go show sooner than you can guess.


Cheerio.

ebos

leave infidel alone the guy has his points u know. do u think these guys are ever going to understand what u r saying (maybe in your dreams sha).

any body with good enough sense can always see through their flawed arguments.

but let them enjoy.

Ave Maria, gratia plena, dominus tecum, benedictatu in mulieribus et benedictus fructus ventris tui Jesus.

Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, ora pro nobis peccatoribus, nunc et in hora mortis nostra, Amen.

@carlosein

My brother you have point there.  Wetin me I dey read - hum, Satan strong no be small.  But I no fit understand why Infidel go use the word stupid in this thread.  The guy be make some points, but that word no fit am.  Direct insult.

My happiness is that all Catholics have no doubt in what they believe.

@
pilgrim,

Wetin you wan post?  Abi, make we begin fight?  You knwo two of us no suppose fight at all.  Abi na lie?   I go still tell you where you be get Rev. 12 wrong.

@ebos,


You know sey me and you no sign contract to fight at all - and I don talk say I go wait until. . . them begin misbehave again!


Okay, I'll be patient.

Enjoy.

This is my favourite Prayer of Thanksgiving from the bible. It was first said by our blessed Mother after the declarations from God and the Holy Spirit through Angel Gabriel and Elizabeth. I say it whenever anything good happens to me: Luke 1:46-55

My soul doth magnify the Lord.
And my spirit rejoices in God my Saviour.
Because He hath regarded the humility of His handmaid: 
For behold from henceforth ALL GENERATIONS SHALL CALL ME BLESSED.
For He that is mighty hath done great things to me, and holy is His name.
And His mercy is from generation unto generations to them that fear Him.
He hath showed might in His arm: 
He hath scattered the proud in the conceit of their heart.
He hath put down the mighty from their seat: and hath exalted the humble.
He hath filled the hungry with good things:  and the rich He hath sent empty away.
He hath received Israel His servant:  being mindful of His mercy.
As He spoke to our fathers:  to Abraham and to his seed forever.

Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Ghost.
As it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be, world without end. Amen.


PROUDLY CATHOLIC!!
Catholic For Life!!!!!!!!!!! 
Glory to Jesus, Honour to Mary!!!!!!

soldee, please continue to pray your rosary because the devil is not happy when we do so, hence he tries to dissuade children of God most high and of the most Blessed Virgin from doing so.

well he wages a losing battle. Our Lady asked the children of fatima (and all of us too), to make reparations for all such things as published above because she knew it will always be there, so no amount of "u worship mary" will make true catholics stop being children of the Virgin most Powerful.

You feel me.

@Carlosein,


So then, who exactly is the devil in this thread that Catholics feel are dissuading the 'children of God' simply because non-Catholics are engaging issues on this topic? Just talk wetin dey your mind - you won't be the first to confirm how Catholics regard non-Catholics. . . oya talk am straight!


Lol. . . make una take style face up and talk true - if you know your Catholic history, you can't deny it is on record that your Popes and Bishops have stated openly that Catholics worship Mary. QED. And in your statement above, you're not doing any different in calling Mary "most Powerful". Make una continue - we are here to read you confirm what we have been saying all along. . . na small-small we go arrive at the heart of the matter!

Cheers.

The Holy Spirit does not tell lies or twists God's WORD. Elizabeth did not call Mary "the mother of my GOD" in Luke 1:43 - rather, she addressed Mary as "the mother of my Lord"; and it is the Catholic Church that wants people to believe that Elizabeth called Mary "theotokos" ('Mother of God') where such a term is not found among any of the apostles. Where did you get the "mother of my GOD" from?


Mary does not pray for nobody; and the title of "co-redemptrix" and "co-mediatrix" is a fallacy - the Vatican knows this, but they won't tell you in plain honesty.


No wayo from the Vatican can twist God's WORD and make it read otherwise than God revealed it.



Amen O!   As you can see, it is not a matter of "glory to Mary". Do you remember that the Catholic Church executed someone for daring to say "Praise be to God" instead of "Ave Maria"? No worry, just take style go back to your history . . na small-small.

Act of faith: Oh my God I believe in you and ALL THAT YOUR CHURCH TEACHES, BECAUSE YOU HAVE SAID IT AND YOUR WORD IS TRUTH.

Ave Maria, spes nostra, Regina Mundi, Ora pro nobis peccatoribus, amen.

@Pilgrim and Cgift

The Woman in Revelation 12 is no other person than Mary

Pilgrim, you are getting everything wrong.  Truly, I said the dragon was Satan, and remember I pointed out also that the dragon used Herod to unsuccessfully kill the Child.  So, my point is that the dragon could appear in many forms - all working for the same purpose.  The dragon could use Israel to accomplish its goal.  I used Herod in my explanation in a paragraph, while Israel in another paragraph.  We know that Herod was not a dragon but he was used by dragon (Satan) – and so could be likened to dragon.  You can even call your fellow human being Satan when he’s up to evil desire.  This does not mean the person is the Satan rather Satan has taken over his heart.  Jesus asked Peter “Get thou behind me Satan.”  This didn’t mean Peter was Satan, but Satan had taken position in his heart.

We don’t see Satan physically, but human beings come to you in form of Satan.  No physical devil had attacked Israel.  I have not heard it before. 

So your explanation that the dragon had tried many times to wipe Israel (the mother of the Child) is baseless.  The devil can only attack the angels, and the angels are also able to see Satan and fight back.  If the dragon had attempted to wipe Israel, such dragon must come in human form and not physically.  So, Israel or Herod played the role of this dragon and tried to kill the Child when He was born.

You also pointed out that they delivered Jesus to the Gentiles because of Jesus statements.  Please, try to pray for wisdom so that the Holy Spirit will guide and help you understand the bible.  Don’t get it literally.  The gentiles had no hand in Jesus crucifixion, though Jesus Christ died for all mankind whether Gentiles, Jews or whatever.  When Jesus said they delivered Him to the gentiles – He was referring to those who never believed in the Name of the Messiah (Jesus), and these Jews were referred as gentiles.  Please don’t get me wrong here, I understand that the Jews were different from the gentiles but for the purpose of Jesus remarks at that point in time – He was referring to the Jews who were hell bent to get Him killed.  You understand that Jesus taught in parables and you need to be guided by the Holy Spirit to understand His teachings.  The bible made it clear that it was the Jews that killed Jesus.  Pilate who was not a Jew, he even said he found nothing against this man (Jesus) that the Jews should go and judge Him according to the law.  Pilate tried his best to get Jesus released but the Jews shouted crucify Him, crucify Him.  So, I don’t need to explain to you that it was the Jews that killed Jesus.  Pilgrim don’t argue this very clear evidence.

As you said, the Dragon was not able to kill the Child because He was "caught up unto God, and to his throne" (Rev. 12:5).  This simple means that the Power of God was with the Child 
because the angel came and told Joseph in his dream the plan of this dragon (Herod) and they fled to Egypt to avoid those that sought the life of the Child.  The question now, who wanted to take away the Child’s life?  It was Satan.  Now, did Satan come to kill the Child physically?  No, it was through Herod.  So Herod was now the dragon because Satan filled his heart with evil.

Let me ask you again - this dragon came to kill this Child in what form?  Remember, Rev. Chapter 12 said that the dragon also sough to kill the Child and not only the mother.  You only said the dragon attacked the mother of this Child which you claimed to be Israel, but you have not said how the dragon came against this Child.  Could you explain it?

To summarize it all, the Mother of this Child was Mary and not Israel.  So, Israel (Herod) was used by Satan (dragon) to get the Child killed, but didn’t succeed.


Cheers