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Oby1 (f)
Re: Glory To Jesus, Honour To Mary! All The Real Catholics Please Stand Up!
« #3936 on: July 23, 2008, 12:50 PM »

Quote from: ebos on July 23, 2008, 12:45 PM
Oby, remove my loss (figure) you quoted me. remove it, I posted it for you and not to be displayed. Please, remove it, I have edited the one I posted.



I have removed it.
ebos (m)
Re: Glory To Jesus, Honour To Mary! All The Real Catholics Please Stand Up!
« #3937 on: July 23, 2008, 12:53 PM »

Quote from: Oby1 on July 23, 2008, 12:50 PM
I have removed it.

Ok, good girl. Oby, I will be back by 2.00pm.  I have somewhere to go.
Oby1 (f)
Re: Glory To Jesus, Honour To Mary! All The Real Catholics Please Stand Up!
« #3938 on: July 23, 2008, 12:55 PM »

Quote from: ebos on July 23, 2008, 12:49 PM
Oby, I'm serious. that's the meaning of my name. them say, our compound guys dey fight the time wey dey born me, but as them hear the news, na him the fight stop and they begin celebrate. Grin Na him make dey name me that name. Ebo, just 5 characters. Cheesy

This one b like MTN advert.
Which means anywhere you go if there is fighting and they site you peace will come back, is that why you want to go to Lebanon?  don't mind me o  Grin  I'm trying to add letters to Ebo to get the real pronunciation I wish viee is here at least she understand Igbo pass me
Oby1 (f)
Re: Glory To Jesus, Honour To Mary! All The Real Catholics Please Stand Up!
« #3939 on: July 23, 2008, 12:57 PM »

Quote from: ebos on July 23, 2008, 12:53 PM
Ok, good girl. Oby, I will be back by 2.00pm. I have somewhere to go.

ok, till then.
ebos (m)
Re: Glory To Jesus, Honour To Mary! All The Real Catholics Please Stand Up!
« #3940 on: July 23, 2008, 02:20 PM »

I'm back till 4pm and I will be regular here from next month. 

So, oby, u think I'm joking.  You will find it difficult to add the two alphabets because we may be less than 5 people that bears the name in Igboland.  The only two people I heard that bears the name are from my community and I have never seen any other person. Cheesy

Viee is now a case study, until I set my eyes on her.  Maybe, what happened to Elijah might have happened to her only that no Elisha to explain.   As for Lindiwe, flood no gree her come greet us, and if say na Bayelsa, she for don come say hi to us. Just like Lawyer, u know tribunal everywhere, they might have hired him.  I know for sure, he is a good Lawyer. Cheesy

I have not even read Lady and Pamperme posts for a while now.
ebos (m)
Re: Glory To Jesus, Honour To Mary! All The Real Catholics Please Stand Up!
« #3941 on: July 23, 2008, 03:02 PM »

Oby, I came and you disappeared.  Why now?
Oby1 (f)
Re: Glory To Jesus, Honour To Mary! All The Real Catholics Please Stand Up!
« #3942 on: July 23, 2008, 03:03 PM »

Quote from: ebos on July 23, 2008, 03:02 PM
Oby, I came and you disappeared. Why now?

I no dissappear o because i no bi magician went for lunch
Oby1 (f)
Re: Glory To Jesus, Honour To Mary! All The Real Catholics Please Stand Up!
« #3943 on: July 23, 2008, 03:09 PM »

Quote from: ebos on July 23, 2008, 02:20 PM
I'm back till 4pm and I will be regular here from next month.

So, oby, u think I'm joking. You will find it difficult to add the two alphabets because we may be less than 5 people that bears the name in Igboland. The only two people I heard that bears the name are from my community and I have never seen any other person. Cheesy

Viee is now a case study, until I set my eyes on her. Maybe, what happened to Elijah might have happened to her only that no Elisha to explain. As for Lindiwe, flood no gree her come greet us, and if say na Bayelsa, she for don come say hi to us. Just like Lawyer, u know tribunal everywhere, they might have hired him. I know for sure, he is a good Lawyer. Cheesy

I have not even read Lady and Pamperme posts for a while now.

Regular from next month, does that mean you are going on break from trading?

i want to guess your name now; Ebogu  Grin i know i'm correct

Lawyer own na worse, his never online.

ebos (m)
Re: Glory To Jesus, Honour To Mary! All The Real Catholics Please Stand Up!
« #3944 on: July 23, 2008, 03:13 PM »

Quote from: Oby1 on July 23, 2008, 03:09 PM
Regular from next month, does that mean you are going on break from trading?

i want to guess your name now; Ebogu  Grin i know i'm correct

Lawyer own na worse, his never online.



Seeing that bolded word there was like my brother or sister calling me. Grin  But are u sure you got it?  Now, tell me yur name, you have provoked me. Cheesy
Oby1 (f)
Re: Glory To Jesus, Honour To Mary! All The Real Catholics Please Stand Up!
« #3945 on: July 23, 2008, 03:16 PM »

 Grin Grin Grin i can't help laughing so i'm correct. I'm too much.
ebos (m)
Re: Glory To Jesus, Honour To Mary! All The Real Catholics Please Stand Up!
« #3946 on: July 23, 2008, 03:18 PM »

Who said you got it? Grin  Is your name Obiageri or I'm too much?  Just tell me your name. 
ebos (m)
Re: Glory To Jesus, Honour To Mary! All The Real Catholics Please Stand Up!
« #3947 on: July 23, 2008, 03:20 PM »

You know, one's first step in wisdom is to question everything - and one's last is to come to terms with everything.  So, who said you got my name and who said you didn't get it? Grin
Oby1 (f)
Re: Glory To Jesus, Honour To Mary! All The Real Catholics Please Stand Up!
« #3948 on: July 23, 2008, 03:21 PM »

Quote from: ebos on July 23, 2008, 03:13 PM
Seeing that bolded word there was like my brother or sister calling me. Grin But are u sure you got it? Now, tell me yur name, you have provoked me. Cheesy

Sure i got it.  If it sounds as if its your brother or sister calling then i'm correct  Grin
ebos (m)
Re: Glory To Jesus, Honour To Mary! All The Real Catholics Please Stand Up!
« #3949 on: July 23, 2008, 03:27 PM »

Quote from: Oby1 on July 23, 2008, 03:21 PM
Sure i got it.  If it sounds as if its your brother or sister calling then i'm correct  Grin

Are u the one to say you are correct or my very self?  Ok, you are not correct. Grin  But I know you are Obiageri.
Oby1 (f)
Re: Glory To Jesus, Honour To Mary! All The Real Catholics Please Stand Up!
« #3950 on: July 23, 2008, 03:32 PM »

Quote from: ebos on July 23, 2008, 03:27 PM
Are u the one to say you are correct or my very self? Ok, you are not correct. Grin But I know you are Obiageri.

Wetin you think sey i bi, Itsekiri?

So what about the S in Ebos, what does it stand for?

Mine is not hidden.
ebos (m)
Re: Glory To Jesus, Honour To Mary! All The Real Catholics Please Stand Up!
« #3951 on: July 23, 2008, 03:44 PM »

See this Enugu girl o.  You have not told me your name and you are asking what "S" stands for.  The S is nothing, I just added it. Cheesy
ebos (m)
Re: Glory To Jesus, Honour To Mary! All The Real Catholics Please Stand Up!
« #3952 on: July 23, 2008, 03:48 PM »

Oby, see you later tomorrow.  From next month, we get to chat well.
Oby1 (f)
Re: Glory To Jesus, Honour To Mary! All The Real Catholics Please Stand Up!
« #3953 on: July 23, 2008, 03:51 PM »

Quote from: ebos on July 23, 2008, 03:48 PM
Oby, see you later tomorrow. From next month, we get to chat well.

Okay o! nwoke Abia see you other time, takia.  hit forex well well o  Grin
Lindiwe (f)
Re: Glory To Jesus, Honour To Mary! All The Real Catholics Please Stand Up!
« #3954 on: July 23, 2008, 05:19 PM »

my people, una too much!
i miss una no bi small!

i'm fine and flood is over,
i'm still around oh!

cheers all
Carlosein (m)
Re: Glory To Jesus, Honour To Mary! All The Real Catholics Please Stand Up!
« #3955 on: July 24, 2008, 08:57 AM »


Thursday of the Sixteenth Week in Ordinary Time

Reading 1
Jer 2:1-3, 7-8, 12-13

This word of the LORD came to me:
Go, cry out this message for Jerusalem to hear!

I remember the devotion of your youth,
how you loved me as a bride,
Following me in the desert,
in a land unsown.
Sacred to the LORD was Israel,
the first fruits of his harvest;
Should any presume to partake of them,
evil would befall them, says the LORD.

When I brought you into the garden land
to eat its goodly fruits,
You entered and defiled my land,
you made my heritage loathsome.
The priests asked not,
“Where is the LORD?”
Those who dealt with the law knew me not:
the shepherds rebelled against me.
The prophets prophesied by Baal,
and went after useless idols.

Be amazed at this, O heavens,
and shudder with sheer horror, says the LORD.
Two evils have my people done:
they have forsaken me, the source of living waters;
They have dug themselves cisterns,
broken cisterns, that hold no water.

Responsorial Psalm
Ps 36:6-7ab, 8-9, 10-11

R. (10a) With you is the fountain of life, O Lord.
O LORD, your mercy reaches to heaven;
your faithfulness, to the clouds.
Your justice is like the mountains of God;
your judgments, like the mighty deep.
R. With you is the fountain of life, O Lord
How precious is your mercy, O God!
The children of men take refuge in the shadow of your wings.
They have their fill of the prime gifts of your house;
from your delightful stream you give them to drink.
R. With you is the fountain of life, O Lord.
For with you is the fountain of life,
and in your light we see light.
Keep up your mercy toward your friends,
your just defense of the upright of heart.
R. With you is the fountain of life, O Lord.

Gospel
Mt 13:10-17

The disciples approached Jesus and said,
“Why do you speak to the crowd in parables?”
He said to them in reply,
“Because knowledge of the mysteries of the Kingdom of heaven
has been granted to you, but to them it has not been granted.
To anyone who has, more will be given and he will grow rich;
from anyone who has not, even what he has will be taken away.
This is why I speak to them in parables, because
they look but do not see and hear but do not listen or understand.
Isaiah’s prophecy is fulfilled in them, which says:

You shall indeed hear but not understand,
you shall indeed look but never see.
Gross is the heart of this people,
they will hardly hear with their ears,
they have closed their eyes,
lest they see with their eyes
and hear with their ears
and understand with their hearts and be converted
and I heal them.

“But blessed are your eyes, because they see,
and your ears, because they hear.
Amen, I say to you, many prophets and righteous people
longed to see what you see but did not see it,
and to hear what you hear but did not hear it.”
Carlosein (m)
Re: Glory To Jesus, Honour To Mary! All The Real Catholics Please Stand Up!
« #3956 on: July 24, 2008, 09:03 AM »

Quote from: Lindiwe on July 23, 2008, 05:19 PM
my people, una too much!
i miss una no bi small!

i'm fine and flood is over,
i'm still around oh!

cheers all

hi lindiwe, miss you too.

nice to know you r still around.

where is lady, come let's feel your presence now.
Oby1 (f)
Re: Glory To Jesus, Honour To Mary! All The Real Catholics Please Stand Up!
« #3957 on: July 24, 2008, 09:45 AM »

Quote from: Carlosein on July 24, 2008, 08:57 AM
Thursday of the Sixteenth Week in Ordinary Time

Reading 1
Jer 2:1-3, 7-8, 12-13

This word of the LORD came to me:
Go, cry out this message for Jerusalem to hear!

I remember the devotion of your youth,
how you loved me as a bride,
Following me in the desert,
in a land unsown.
Sacred to the LORD was Israel,
the first fruits of his harvest;
Should any presume to partake of them,
evil would befall them, says the LORD.

When I brought you into the garden land
to eat its goodly fruits,
You entered and defiled my land,
you made my heritage loathsome.
The priests asked not,
“Where is the LORD?”
Those who dealt with the law knew me not:
the shepherds rebelled against me.
The prophets prophesied by Baal,
and went after useless idols.

Be amazed at this, O heavens,
and shudder with sheer horror, says the LORD.
Two evils have my people done:
they have forsaken me, the source of living waters;
They have dug themselves cisterns,
broken cisterns, that hold no water.

Responsorial Psalm
Ps 36:6-7ab, 8-9, 10-11

R. (10a) With you is the fountain of life, O Lord.
O LORD, your mercy reaches to heaven;
your faithfulness, to the clouds.
Your justice is like the mountains of God;
your judgments, like the mighty deep.
R. With you is the fountain of life, O Lord
How precious is your mercy, O God!
The children of men take refuge in the shadow of your wings.
They have their fill of the prime gifts of your house;
from your delightful stream you give them to drink.
R. With you is the fountain of life, O Lord.
For with you is the fountain of life,
and in your light we see light.
Keep up your mercy toward your friends,
your just defense of the upright of heart.
R. With you is the fountain of life, O Lord.

Gospel
Mt 13:10-17

The disciples approached Jesus and said,
“Why do you speak to the crowd in parables?”
He said to them in reply,
“Because knowledge of the mysteries of the Kingdom of heaven
has been granted to you, but to them it has not been granted.
To anyone who has, more will be given and he will grow rich;
from anyone who has not, even what he has will be taken away.
This is why I speak to them in parables, because
they look but do not see and hear but do not listen or understand.
Isaiah’s prophecy is fulfilled in them, which says:

You shall indeed hear but not understand,
you shall indeed look but never see.
Gross is the heart of this people,
they will hardly hear with their ears,
they have closed their eyes,
lest they see with their eyes
and hear with their ears
and understand with their hearts and be converted
and I heal them.

“But blessed are your eyes, because they see,
and your ears, because they hear.
Amen, I say to you, many prophets and righteous people
longed to see what you see but did not see it,
and to hear what you hear but did not hear it.”

MEDITATION OF THE DAY
The greatest proportion of what we know about the world we live in is received through our senses of sight and hearing.  When it comes to perceiving the kingdom of God, however, we can be spiritually deaf and blind.  Our ability to hear and see God was seriously impaired when our first parents chose to be disobedient.  As sin ruled people's thoughts, their understanding became darkened.  Through Jesus, our ability to communicate with God was restored.  It is by faith in that death and resurrection of Jesus that we receive back what was lost through sin, namely, our intimate relationship with our Creator.  When we read in the scripture, "Blessed are your eyes for they see, and your ears, for they hear" (Matt. 13 : 16), it refers not so much to our bodily sensory abilities as to our heart and mind, the seat of our understanding and the dwelling place of the Holy Spirit.  The Spirit of God speaks to hearts and opens our mind to see that is, understanding God's will for us.  If we ask the Holy Spirit to open our eyes and our ears to receive wisdom from God, we will be blessed generously (James 1 : 5).  If we humble ourselves and pray, we will experience the power of God changing us.  No longer will we see only our tangible, physical surroundings, but we will possess a deeper vision which perceives the very mind of Christ.  Our lives as Christains require not only a close but a growing relationship with God.  As we become persistent and consistent in our prayer life, our minds will come to recognize more surely the voice of God when he speaks to us and to distinguish God's voice from our own desires or the voice of Satan.

PRAYER
"Holy Spirit, there are many obtacles in my life and my environment which prevent me from hearing the Lord in prayer.  Often I desire only the things of the world, rather than a deeper knowledge of God.  Give me eyes and ears of faith to understand the magnitude of God's love in sending Jesus into the world to die for my sins.  Help me to learn to recognize the voice of God.  I want to be numbered among those who hear, see and respond to him."
Oby1 (f)
Re: Glory To Jesus, Honour To Mary! All The Real Catholics Please Stand Up!
« #3958 on: July 24, 2008, 09:49 AM »

Today's Saint
St. Sharbel Makhlouf (1828-1898)
 

Although this saint never traveled far from the Lebanese village of Beka-Kafra, where he was born, his influence has spread widely.

Joseph Zaroun Maklouf was raised by an uncle because his father, a mule driver, died when Joseph was only three. At the age of 23, Joseph joined the Monastery of St. Maron at Annaya, Lebanon, and took the name Sharbel in honor of a second-century martyr. He professed his final vows in 1853 and was ordained six years later.

Following the example of the fifth-century St. Maron, Sharbel lived as a hermit from 1875 until his death. His reputation for holiness prompted people to seek him to receive a blessing and to be remembered in his prayers. He followed a strict fast and was very devoted to the Blessed Sacrament. When his superiors occasionally asked him to administer the sacraments to nearby villages, Sharbel did so gladly.

He died in the late afternoon on Christmas Eve. Christians and non-Christians soon made his tomb a place of pilgrimage and of cures. Pope Paul VI beatified him in 1965 and canonized him in 1977.

Quote
When Sharbel was canonized in 1977, Bishop Francis Zayek, head the US. Diocese of St. Maron, wrote a pamphlet entitled “A New Star of the East.” Bishop Zayek wrote: “St. Sharbel is called the second St. Anthony of the Desert, the Perfume of Lebanon, the first Confessor of the East to be raised to the Altars according to the actual procedure of the Catholic Church, the honor of our Aramaic Antiochian Church, and the model of spiritual values and renewal. Sharbel is like a Cedar of Lebanon standing in eternal prayer, on top of a mountain.”
The bishop noted that Sharbel's canonization plus other beatification cases prove “that the Aramaic Maronite Antiochian Church is indeed a living branch of the Catholic Church and is intimately connected with the trunk, who is Christ, our Savior, the beginning and the end of all things.”
 
Oby1 (f)
Re: Glory To Jesus, Honour To Mary! All The Real Catholics Please Stand Up!
« #3959 on: July 24, 2008, 09:51 AM »

Quote from: Lindiwe on July 23, 2008, 05:19 PM
my people, una too much!
i miss una no bi small!

i'm fine and flood is over,
i'm still around oh!

cheers all

I miss u too sweetheart Kiss 
Are you still in Lagos? or you've gone back.
Oby1 (f)
Re: Glory To Jesus, Honour To Mary! All The Real Catholics Please Stand Up!
« #3960 on: July 24, 2008, 09:52 AM »

Quote from: Carlosein on July 24, 2008, 09:03 AM
hi lindiwe, miss you too.

nice to know you r still around.

where is lady, come let's feel your presence now.

That reminds me, lady how is the health of your Parish Priest now.
May kelly (f)
Re: Glory To Jesus, Honour To Mary! All The Real Catholics Please Stand Up!
« #3961 on: July 24, 2008, 10:07 AM »

 A document that will especially appeal to Muslims and those with a Chinese background, as well as many others.     


                                     The Mystery of the "Sinless" Son


Buddha could not correct this, Muhammad could not correct this, no ideology or philosophy could correct this, only one name under heaven could correct this . . . Jesus!

"And He hath made me blessed wheresoever I be," (Surah 19:31).

"Neither is there salvation in any other for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be save" (Acts/Injil 4:12).

Let us first compare what is known about Jesus and what is know about Muhammad.

Jesus                                            Muhammad
His name means                             His name means "praised
"Savior" - Isaiah 63:8                     one." Also "Al-Amin,"
Matthew 1:20-23 also,                   trustworthy
"Immanuel" --"God is             
with us!"

Born of a virgin, Mary                     Born of Ammiah
No earthly Father,                          Abd Allah was his father
According to Bible and
Quran.

Born about 4 B.C. in                        Born A.D. 570 in Mecca
Bethlehem, Israel

Raised by Mary, his                        Raised by his mother,
mother and Joseph, his                   Hailima the nurse, then
adopted father.                                his uncle and grandfather.

Labored as a local                          Started as a shepherd then
carpenter in city of                           became a camel caravan
Nazareth, Israel.                              leader to Syria.

Spoke in Hebrew,                           Spoke only Arabic.
Aramaic and probably
Greek.

Was literate; wrote no                      Was literate; wrote the
Books.                                               the Quran.

Attracted multitudes by                     Attracted multitudes by
his miracles and teachings.              by his teaching and the sword.

Had to move to the city                     Had to move to Medina because
of Capernaum because of               of rejection by his townspeople.
rejection by his towns-
people.

Was never married.                           Married to fifteen wives.

Lived a sinless life,                          Lived no sinless life, prayed according to both according to Bible                  the Bible and the Quran often for forgiveness.
                                                       and Quran.   


Waged no physical war.                  Waged physical war by fighting
                                                          or leading in 66 battles.

Ordered the death of no one.          Ordered the death of many men
                                                          (some as old as 100 years) and
                                                           women (the first was a poetess).

Established a religion of                   Established a religion of
mercy even for                                   fear and the sword.
one's worst enemies.

Established an eternal                       Established an earthly empire.
"spiritual" kingdom.

Died by crucifixion in                          Died in Medina due to affects of
Jerusalem at age 33.                         pneumonia and poisoning at age 62.
               .

Arose the third day,                           Lingers still in his grave still
alive from the dead,                          awaiting the Day of Judgment,
emptying His tomb.                           according to the Quran.
Quran/Suras 355 and
Suras 1933) Bible
Matthew 27:27-28:10

Old Testament predicted                   No scripture predicted his coming.
his coming, His life, death,       
and raising again.
Isaiah 53:1-12

Mentioned in the Qu'ran                   Mentioned in the Qu'ran
(97) ninety-seven times.                    (25) twenty-five times.

1,500,000,000 claim to be               800,000,000 claim to be
his followers.                                      his followers.

Many of His followers                       Many of his followers (Muslims) are known   
(Christians) are known                     for their fanatic dedication to
for their dedication, love,                  war and vengeance, even
and caring for others,                       or killing other Muslims.
even for their enemies.   

About 5000 Greek and                       Four different Qu'ran
and Aramaic manuscripts                  traditions existed and instead
of the New Testament exist                of the variations preserved for
in whole or in part. The                        future comparison, all but one
best and most important of                was destroyed. The Hijazi
these date back to about                    tradition, the Kufan tradition,
A.D. 350.                                              the Basran tradition, and the
Comparison of                                    Syrian tradition from Ubayy
these show extreme care                    ibn Ka'b, one of the scribes of
given by scribes that they                    Muhammad. Uthman was
not be corrupted and the                     commissioned to destroy all but
original teachings faith-                       his edition.
fully preserved.       

Jesus taught that all                         Muhammad claimed to have
revelation from God                         added to the Revelation of God.
ended with Him.
(Bible/Romans 10:4
Revelation 22:18-19)

     
My friends, why do I bring these things up? It is because in all our short lives, the truth about God has the greatest influence on our lives, both in this life and in our eternity.

I believe that only God knows Muhammad's heart and motives. I believe God sent true Christians with uncorrupted Bibles to Muhammad, but I also believe Satan sent false Christians to Muhammad with corrupted texts and Muhammad chose to believe the false Christians teaching instead of the "true Christians." How sad! This is like believing one of today's cults that have sprung out of Christianity, instead of true Christianity.

Each of these cults have added another "revelation" in addition to the Bible and/or the Qu'ran saying their teacher or prophet was the final and true prophet. The ancient "Christian cults" who influenced Muhammad taught there was no trinity, that Jesus was not crucified nor did he die, and that Jesus was not anything but a glorified angel.

Oh, that Muhammad would have become a true believer in Jesus. How different his life would have been! He would have refused to go into war or to kill any of his enemies! He would have shown only love to Jews, idolaters and many of them would have left their former lives to follow the Jesus he loved.

Muhammad esteemed Jesus as the highest of all prophets and reported to have said, "I am most akin to the son of Mary among the whole of mankind," and "I am most close to Jesus, son of Mary, among the whole of mankind in this worldly life and the next life." (Sahih Muslim, Vol. 4, pp. 1260-1261).

If only Muhammed’s choice would have truly been to walk like Jesus! Yet you can! My prayer is that you consider the true Jesus of the Bible!

Even with the corrupt ideas the cults had shared, Muhammad still had some truths about Jesus. What are these in the Qu'ran?
    1.    Jesus was born of a virgin (Sura 19:16-35)
    2.    Jesus was the "Messiah" of the Old Testament prophecies. (Sura 4:171)
    3.    Jesus was a Spirit from God. (Sura 4:171)
    4.    Jesus was the "Word of God." (Sura 4:171)
    5.    Jesus was faultless and sinless. (Sura 19:19) This is the greatest "19" verse of the Qu'ran, and makes Jesus the greatest prophet, for:
            Adam sinned. (Sura 2:36, 7:22,23),
            Abraham sinned. (Sura 26:82),
            Moses sinned (Sura 28:15-16),
            Jonah sinned (Sura 17:142),
            David sinned (Sura 38:24-25),
            Muhammad sinned (Sura 47:19, 48:1-2, 33:36-38),
            yet Jesus did not sin!

"But we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are - yet without sin."

    6.    Jesus is illustrious in the world and the hereafter. (Sura 3:45)
    7.    Jesus was taken up to heaven by God. (Sura 4:158)
    8.    Jesus was to come back to earth for judgment (Sura 43:61) translation. Yusuf Ali and Mishkat IV pp. 78-80.

Why then was Jesus so hated by the Jewish religious leaders who wanted him dead?

First, Jesus healed a man who had not walked in 38 years and did this on the Sabbath day! He would forgive peoples’ sins. (Luke 7:49)

"So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jews persecuted him. Jesus said to them, My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I, too, am working.’ For this reason the Jews tried to all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God." (John 5:16-18)

Surat al-Imran (The Family of Imran) 3:49 states of Jesus, "I healed him who was born blind, and the leper, and I raise the dead, by Allah’s leave."

Again Jesus said, "I and my Father are One." The Jews took up stones to stone Him, and Jesus answered them, "I have shown you many good works from the Father; for which of these do you stone me?" The Jews answered Him, "We stone you for no good work, but for blaspheming, because you, being a man, make yourself God." (John 10: 30-33)

Why would Jesus make such a claim? Jesus "knew no sin" (I Corinthians 5:21), Jesus "did not sin" (I Peter 2:22), Jesus "was without sin" (Hebrews 4:15), and in Jesus "is no sin" (I John 3:5). Since both the Bible and the Quran agree on this point, (Sura 19:19), can you see the need for the "sinless" One, Jesus, equal with God, to forgive your sins? Jesus is ready to do this, but first you must understand the most important mystery of mysteries!

Jesus said, "I tell you the truth, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned; he has crossed over from death to life." (John 5:24)

The mystery of God that is revealed next is the one of God’s own "Suffering" for his lost children of humanity; to set them back on the correct path again. Have you ever loved one intimately your heart, only to watch them go a wrong way? Then read on . .


No. 4
The Mystery of the "Suffering" Father

"Let us make man in our image" (Genesis 1:26). God, in all His mysterious fullness, is both righteous, holy, sinless, as well as loving, gracious and merciful.

In the beginning, man and woman in the Garden of Eden were also righteous, holy, sinless, and well as loving, gracious and merciful.

Though they were two people (male and female), God declared that they were "one flesh" i.e.; a unity (Genesis 2:24). The relationship they had was that of a Father and His children and God declared "it was very good" (Genesis 1:31).

But, to be made in God’s image does not mean Adam and Eve, the first man/woman was in any way EQUAL with the Godhead! They were still "created" beings, not "equal" to God!

Today science is able to "clone" a sheep, and perhaps in the future a man or a woman. Then that person will be "in the physical image" of the other person much like an "identical twin," yet are they equal to each other? No, each will have different decisions, experiences, and histories in different times. They are not equal.

It’s amazing that Jesus therefore claimed to be "eternally equal" with God, with the same history, the same thoughts, the same mind as God! Jesus was 100% man, born of a virgin and 100% sinless in the true image of God! Jesus claimed to God "in the flesh" and indeed lived a sinless life. Why?

Jesus was the only one who could eternally correct damage done by Adam and Eve. After Adam, all mankind lost the image of the Living God except for a few individuals. Many times throughout history, God considered destroying all mankind in His righteous justice! During the time of Noah, only ( eight people survived on the ark, because God was "grieved that he had made mankind" (Genesis 6:7). God saw that all humanity had become very wicked and every inclination of the thoughts of their hearts was only evil all the time (Genesis 6:5).

Ancient Chinese writing stands as a memorial to the great worldwide Flood of the Bible in the character "boat/ark" (Chuan). This character means: a vessel +(8)eight +mouth or people! The character for "flood" is "Hongshui" which means: "( eight + united + earth = total + = flood!"   Later, God had promised never to send a flood to destroy the earth again, but His creation had grieved Him so much that He wanted to destroy all the people He had saved from Egyptian bondage during the time of Moses.

"I have seen these people," the Lord said to Moses, "and they are a stiff-necked people. Now leave me alone so that my anger may burn against them and that I may destroy them. Then I will make you into a great nation" (Exodus 32:10).

Moses interceded for the people, he didn’t leave God alone and in his prayers he reminded God of His promises to Abraham, Isaac and Israel (Exodus 21:13).

Mankind all through the Old Testament Torah and Prophets continued to get worse and worse and God would bring many judgments on the people. Yet, external punishment and judgment do not change the heart! Fear does not change the heart!

Repetitious religions, rituals and external habits of ordered behavior did not change the evil hearts of mankind! Was mankind lost forever, hopeless? Could mankind’s heart and life ever reflect the true image of God again? Could the wicked downward spiral ever be stopped for mankind? Yes!

God was allowing mankind’s out-of-control path to reach a "critical mass," a perfectly timed place in history to change the course of mankind by sending Jesus. He told "that generation," "And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this generation" (Matthew 23:35- 36).

All the generations of mankind had been overall wicked people, yet Jesus’ generation would "fill up" the measure of evil accumulated since Adam and Eve sinned and set the world spiritually off course.

Adam, the first sinful man brought disharmony, imbalance and death to all mankind. Only a sinless man, Jesus could bring harmony, balance and life to all mankind.

This disobedience of sinful Adam and Eve to God’s command brought death to all creation, therefore the "sinless" obedience of Jesus could be the only act to rebalance creation. God needed to go one step further than "rebalancing" creation, for God desired to "correct" the problem of sin forever.

What good is it for a "sinless man" to come in obedience to rebalance all things, if only another "sinful man" knocks it out of balance again? A greater change and correction to all creation needed to take place. "For since death (spiritual, creation, death) came through a man, the resurrection of the dead (new creation, spiritual life) comes also through a man"
(I Corinthians 15:21).

The mystery of sinless obedience of Jesus, the "new man" of a restored creation was the degree of how extreme an obedience it would take to forever change all history. Ali substituted once for  Muhammed in hiding in his bed, one substitutes for another at the Haj, and in the Haj an animals Blood is sacrificed, Why? Why? God wants you to see His substitution!

Death was the haunting problem. Spiritual Death! That all mankind had veered off course on a path away from God. Holy, righteous Justice demanded Death to all Mankind.

From Adam to Jesus, all who died under the Old Testament died separated from God. Those righteous ones like Moses and Abraham went in death to a waiting place called "Paradise." The unrighteous to a waiting place called "Tarturus." They all awaited the day of history’s greatest change, but Death, this holy separation from God due to mankind’s sin, needed to be forever corrected. None could enter into God’s Presence after death except through one great event that would happen.

God’s heart was most grieved that mankind, His creation was not re-united with Him! The mystery of the "suffering Father" is the Father who poured His Life into His children only to be spurned and rejected by them because sin had blinded them to His love for them. The "sinful" children all desired to be "equal" in every way with God, to be their "own gods," to be worshipped as men "gods" and women "goddesses." They choose their own standards of what is "truth" and what is "false," killing those who did not agree with their "godhead" and honoring those who bowed to their image of values. Spiritual Idolatry!

Like people who rejected a great artist, yet sold and fought over his paintings, mankind rejected the Creator only to worship His creation, even themselves.

Muhammad was a created being, Buddha was a created being, and you and I are created beings. Muhammad is dead, Buddha is dead, Confucius is dead, and one day you and I will face death too! Men and women die every day who have only lived lives as "little gods." Rich or poor, if they did not live to honor the Father God, our One Creator, and looked to His plan and miracle to restore a right relationship, they remained in "Death" and His Heart suffers.



N0. 5

The Mystery of the Most Extreme Miracle/Sign Proof!

What is the most extreme miracle you know of? What is the most amazing "Sign" in all history God could do regardless of whether people accepted it or not?

"We refrain from sending the signs, only because the men of former generations treated them as false" (Sura 17:59).

Regardless of whether mankind accepts miracles or not, God has a purpose in bringing forth miracles. It is proof to those who desire to return to unity with God and His Plan for His creation.

Jesus was born of a virgin. A miracle! Jesus was a "sinless, faultless man," a miracle!

In the Surat av Ma’idah (The Table Spread) 5:1-10, we read, "When Allah saith, O Jesus, son of Mary! Remember My favour unto thee and unto thy mother; how I strengthened thee with the Holy Spirit, so that thou speaketh unto mankind in the cradle as in maturity; and how I taught thee the Scriptures and Wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel; and how thou didst shape clay as it were the likeness of a bird by My permission?"

To none other that "Isa/Jesus" has God given this power, this miracle to impart life, to bring forth life from non-life, to turn clay birds into live ones. Only God could do such a miracle.

Surat al-Imran (The Family of Imran) 3:49 states, "I heal him who was born blind, and the leper, and I raise the dead, by Allah's leave."

In the Holy Injil, the Bible, Jesus raised the only son of a widow in the city of Nain, from the dead! (Luke7:11-17) "They were all filled with awe and praised God. 'A great prophet has appeared among us!’ they said. God has come to help his people!" Jesus healed multitudes of people, the lepers, the blind, the deaf, the demon possessed and insane, the lame and raised many from the dead. He turned water into wine, and even walked on water! Jesus’ word would calm the raging storm or fill an empty net over full with fish!

After Jesus would heal, he would forgive their sins, saying, "Friend, your sins are forgiven." The religious leaders of the Jews were furious at this, saying, "Who is this fellow who speaks in blasphemy? Who can forgive sins but God alone!" (Luke 5:17-26)

Jesus spent much of his time with the "outcasts" of society. They asked him, "Why do you eat and drink with tax collectors and sinners?" (Luke 5:30-31). These people were considered low and unclean, not worth Jesus’ time. Jesus replied, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance" (Luke 5:31-32). Jesus even raised a man who had been dead three days!

Yet of all these wonderful miracles, signs and proofs, it was not the "most extreme" miracle. Jesus said, "This is a wicked generation. It asks for a miraculous sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah. For as Jonah was a sign to the Ninevites, so also will the Son of man be to this generation" (Luke 11:29-30).

What was this one special miracle beyond all miracles? Jonah was sent by God to speak to his enemies, to turn them back to God and away from a wicked life before God’s judgment fell on that nation. Jonah at first did not want to go to these people, his enemies, and fled the other way.

Yet God commanded a great fish (Jonah 1:17) to swallow Jonah and he lived inside the fish three days and three nights. When Jonah preached to the Ninevites, he was like a man alive from the dead, bleached white from the great fish’s stomach acid, and the entire nation heard his message and turned to God.

Jonah preached, "Let them give up their evil ways and their violence. Who knows? God may yet relent (For God had declared 40 days and the city would be destroyed) and with compassion turn from his fierce anger so that we will not perish" (Jonah 3:9).

Listen my friends, Jesus said "and now one greater than Jonah is here."

"Because your sins are so many, and your hostility so great, the prophet is considered a fool, the inspired man a maniac. The prophet, along with my God, is the watchman over Ephraim, yet snares await him on all his paths, and hostility in the house of his God." (Hosea 9:7-8)

The religious leaders could not deny the overwhelming good miracles Jesus did all the time. But they desired to keep what "power" and status they had. They wanted to continue being little "gods" and didn’t give glory to God as Jesus taught and did. Instead, they hated him more and accused him falsely.

"Peace on me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be raised alive! Such was Jesus, a son of Mary, (this is) a statement of the truth concerning which they doubt." (Sura 3:55 and 19:33)

Jesus’ enemies decided to kill him by making false accusations against him to the government. Jesus did no wrong for He was "sinless." He only spoke the Truth to them which made them angry. He claimed to be equal to God, He claimed to forgive sins, He did miracles daily to help others.

If they killed him, He would be gone forever, no one would be able to raise him from the dead! Even those whom Jesus raised from the dead had only a "second chance" and would die later in their lives, they reasoned. No one could escape death, no one could live forever! Even the prophets who did miracles in the past had died, never to return. Moses, Elijah, and Elisha were all dead and no longer living on the earth.

So they had Jesus arrested and put on trial. They asked him, "Are you then the Son of God?" and Jesus replied, "You are right in saying I am." Then they said, "Why do we need any more testimony? We have heard it from his own lips." Finally Jesus was ridiculed, mocked, beaten, and killed with the oversight of the government soldiers of Rome (Luke 22:47-71).
This is confirmed in the Qu'ran despite the influence of the corrupted texts that influenced Muhammad in his writings. Jesus had to die according to the Qu'ran (Sura 4:59, 19:33; 3:55). If Jesus did not die on the cross, as the Bible clearly teaches, then WHEN did He die?

My friend remember, Jesus promised them He would do one miracle they would never forget ? Jesus promised that wicked, adulterous generation one sign, the sign of the prophet Jonah. "For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth!" (Matthew 12:40).

Why? Why this one sign? This is the mystery of the most extreme miracle proof that God could show to mankind or do for all mankind!

Death, Burial for Three Days, and then . . . Eternal Resurrection! Never to die again! This was a first!

First, what did this greatest miracle do for all mankind? It reversed the effects of Adam’s sin and disharmony to all creation and opened the Way for all men and women who choose Jesus to exist in harmony with God once more! It set the course of creation straight again! Permanently! Man’s sinful nature has no more power to alter it again. Man still has choice, but cannot alter the great Plan of Redemptive History. He has a choice to live in the Plan or exist out of the Plan and Will of God. Only the "sinless man" could do this "greatest miracle;" Resurrection eternally!

Mankind can now and forever taste of the pure, holy, clean spiritual life meant for his creation, both now in this life and eternally in the glorified resurrection body He gives us after we faithfully honor Him in this physical body. All mankind from Adam until Jesus’ generation were cut off from this true spiritual life.

When Jesus shed His blood and died, a man’s "sinless blood" was shed for the first time in all creation! During those 3 days and 3 nights, Jesus preached to the "spirits in prison" in the heart of the earth (I Peter 3:18-19). "When he ascended on high, he led captives in his train and gave gifts to men."

"What does he ascended’ mean except that he also descended to the lower, earthly regions? He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens in order to fill the whole universe!" (Ephesians 4:8-10). Mankind who had died under the old age were judged, and Jesus led the Righteous by Faith into the very Presence of God out of the temporary "Paradise" of that age, and into a Eternal place of Holy Worship! No alcohol or sex in this most Holy Place, no need! God says, My Will on Earth as it is in Heaven!

The wicked awaited the rest of that "wicked generation" who were given an additional 40 years to turn as a nation of Old Testament Israel before it came to an historical End in the complete Destruction of the Temple, sacrificial system, priesthood and nationhood in A.D.70.

I speak this to all Muslims, Jewish peoples and Christians of our day; the resurrection of Jesus means a creation began at that time, a NEW CREATION, a new People, a New Priesthood, a New, Holy Nation, a One People belonging to God (I Peter 2:4-10). I look at the disharmony and death as the result of false teaching today in Israel on this matter and my heart breaks.

What did this greatest miracle show mankind? Jesus "died for sins once for all," all Chinese, all Arabs, all Europeans, all Americans, all ethnic groups and peoples in the world and in all generations-- the sinless for the sinful, to bring you to God (I Peter/Injil 3:18). This is why after the Resurrection, the disciple Thomas exclaimed "My Lord and my God" and Jesus accepted this Worship and said, "Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed, Blessed are those
Who have not seen and yet have believed!" (John/Injil 20:28-29).

This Great Design, Great Plan, Great Purpose to Honor the Creator is given to you this very moment, as your eyes follow these words and your mind ponders these ideas, and your fingers touch these pages. God, Shang Ti, The One True and Living God is asking you this moment to offer your spirit, body, mind, soul and heart as a "living sacrifice" to God by accepting the reality of the gift of what God has done for you!

If you are ready and believe in your heart these things, pray this prayer out loud to God, "Abba, God my Father, have mercy on me a sinner. I confess that Jesus is my only Lord and Savior! I believe with all my being and heart that God raised him from the dead and I humbly seek your saving grace as I submit my entire life to you. I call on the mystery of your Holy Name, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, to save my soul for now and eternally. I trust in you God and your promise to never be put to shame for this decision. Help me to stand in this pledge at all cost to honor you. Thank you for sending Jesus to die for me. Amen" (Romans/Injil 10:8-10).

What do you need to do next? Repent (confess your sins to God, change the direction of your life to live and honor Jesus) and be baptized (fully immersed/buried into water head to toe, then Raised out of the symbolic grave a New CREATION).

"We are buried with Jesus into death to your old manner of life, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life." (Acts 2:38 and Romans 6:3-4).

Every one of you in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit for the forgiveness of your sins, be immersed and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit! Eternal Life! The fullness of the Godhead will guide you as you obey daily and live according to the teachings of Jesus in the Bible, the Word of God. Read Colossians 2:6-4:6. Do it quickly!

To those who are now baptized followers of Jesus/Isa, prayer is now more than a daily ritual, it will be your moment to moment Joy! The Intimate Presence of God Himself will go with you in serving Jesus daily, by serving others in love, in sharing the life-changing meaning of the message of Jesus’ death, burial and resurrection. The final mystery of God will be revealed in you everyday of your life now.

If you have no Injil/Bible, pray that God will send you one. You can  write this to website (www.bible.com) and ask for a free English New Testament (or complete Bible if available) to be sent to you. You can also read the Bible Online through this link:  If no group of followers meet daily to sing and pray together, pray and ask God to bring it to pass! The Holy Spirit of God will answer and guide you into all Truth. May every Muslim village and city turn to Jesus, the Only Living Prophet of God, never to die again! God seeks to be closer to you than the vein in your neck, He seeks to see you become His Living Stones, built up into a Holy Community for Him (I Peter/Injil 2:5).

"The glorious riches of this Mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory. We proclaim him, admonishing and teaching everyone with all wisdom, so that we may present everyone mature in Christ. To this end I labor, struggling with all His energy, which so powerfully works in me" (Colossians 1:27-29).


hassyino
Re: Glory To Jesus, Honour To Mary! All The Real Catholics Please Stand Up!
« #3962 on: July 24, 2008, 10:30 AM »

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Lindiwe (f)
Re: Glory To Jesus, Honour To Mary! All The Real Catholics Please Stand Up!
« #3963 on: July 24, 2008, 12:35 PM »

Carl and Oby,
how're you guys doing!

yeah i'm still in Lag and i'm liking every bit of it!

Maykelly,
that was a pretty long article,
didn't even know where to start reading it from Undecided
your opening statement just put me off, since i'm neither a muslim nor do i have a chinese background Undecided Embarrassed Undecided Embarrassed

@all
Have yourself a great day!

Remember,
The fervent and diligent man is ready for all things
He that shuns not small defects little by little, falls into greater ones!
You will always be glad in the evening if you spend the day profitably!!
 Wink Kiss Cheesy
Lindiwe (f)
Re: Glory To Jesus, Honour To Mary! All The Real Catholics Please Stand Up!
« #3964 on: July 24, 2008, 12:40 PM »

I was reading one of St. Louis Marie de Montfort's write ups on resisting temptations this morninig on my way to work, and i think i should share with you below, some highlights of the key facts from the book;) Wink Wink

As long as we live in this world, we cannot be without temptations and tribulations. Hence it is written in the book of Job, “Man’s life on earth is a temptation”. We all therefore should be solicitous about our temptations and watch in prayer lest the devil finds an opportunity to strike – he never sleeps but rather goes about seeking whom he can devour!

No one is so perfect and holy as sometimes not to have temptations and we can never be wholly free from them. Nevertheless, temptations are very profitable to man, troublesome and grievous though they may be, for them, a man is humbled, purified and instructed. All the Saints passed through many tribulations and temptations and were purified by them. And they that could not support temptations became reprobate and fell away!

Many seek to flee temptations, and fall worse into them! We can not conquer by flight alone, but by patience and true humility, we become stronger than all our enemies. He, who only declines them outwardly and does not pluck out their root, will profit little; nay, temptations will sooner or later return and he will find himself in a worse condition. Be degrees and by patience you will, by God’s grace, better overcome them than by harshness and your own importunity!
Take counsel, inconsistency of mind and little confidence in God is the beginning of all temptations!

Enjoy your day peeps,


Oby1 (f)
Re: Glory To Jesus, Honour To Mary! All The Real Catholics Please Stand Up!
« #3965 on: July 24, 2008, 01:14 PM »

Quote from: Lindiwe on July 24, 2008, 12:35 PM
Carl and Oby,
how're you guys doing!

yeah i'm still in Lag and i'm liking every bit of it!

Maykelly,
that was a pretty long article,
didn't even know where to start reading it from Undecided
your opening statement just put me off, since i'm neither a muslim nor do i have a chinese background Undecided Embarrassed Undecided Embarrassed

@all
Have yourself a great day!

Remember,
The fervent and diligent man is ready for all things
He that shuns not small defects little by little, falls into greater ones!
You will always be glad in the evening if you spend the day profitably!!
Wink Kiss Cheesy


Sure and may God give us the Grace to overcome all.
May kelly (f)
Re: Glory To Jesus, Honour To Mary! All The Real Catholics Please Stand Up!
« #3966 on: July 24, 2008, 03:22 PM »

Quote from: Lindiwe on July 24, 2008, 12:35 PM
Carl and Oby,
how're you guys doing!

yeah i'm still in Lag and i'm liking every bit of it!

Maykelly,
that was a pretty long article,
didn't even know where to start reading it from Undecided
your opening statement just put me off, since i'm neither a muslim nor do i have a chinese background Undecided Embarrassed Undecided Embarrassed

@all
Have yourself a great day!

Remember,
The fervent and diligent man is ready for all things
He that shuns not small defects little by little, falls into greater ones!
You will always be glad in the evening if you spend the day profitably!!
 Wink Kiss Cheesy


well it wasn't meant for people like you because you're neither a m or c - sun god. ok. but at any rate "it will do you good if you just read it. Smiley
ebos (m)
Re: Glory To Jesus, Honour To Mary! All The Real Catholics Please Stand Up!
« #3967 on: July 24, 2008, 03:43 PM »

Oby, Carlosein Lindiwe,

How is today? 
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