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+osisi
Re: Time To Abolish Dowry
« #64 on: September 12, 2007, 04:07 PM »

Quote from: Donzman on September 12, 2007, 03:30 AM
If you can't pay the average bride price then you should not be getting married anyway. Nonsense. Do not go pointing out extreme cases of greedy exploitative parents, dowries are not that exorbitant.

donzman I wish I could call the cases extreme but generally speaking Igbos and Nigerians in general sabi cut throat for all ceremonies ho ha.
whether wedding o,Igbankwu,burial,chieftancy,child dedication,knighthood,age grade, even ordinary childrens birthdays that were just children affair during my day have now metamorphosed into major owa nbes.

I've heard of churches and town meetings conducting a charitable fund raising to help out members about to marry a wife. That is just so shameful when a community has to pitch in to marry a wife for a man
What mouth will that man ever use to talk?
ThiefOfHearts (f)
Re: Time To Abolish Dowry
« #65 on: September 12, 2007, 04:16 PM »

Rofl. Ok that truly is pathetic.
romeo (m)
Re: Time To Abolish Dowry
« #66 on: September 12, 2007, 08:09 PM »

where i am from in Igbo land people don't pay dowry to marry, but that rule will automatically change when my daughter matures for marriage Grin Grin, i will cause headache for that boy coming for her hands Grin Grin, she fine no be small and them go like marry am Wink, -osisi which kind campaign be this now? it's like you have only boys in the house!! abeg wait make my kid marry before you begin dey talk about abolition of dowry Grin, it's either 1 duplex or the money equivalence or no marriage Grin Grin Grin Grin
iya aje (m)
Re: Time To Abolish Dowry
« #67 on: September 12, 2007, 09:32 PM »

abeg make una no spoil market for me o,i have 7 fine girls wey i dey train for school and i dey keep the receipt of all the money wey i spend on their head including the food,water,medicine,book,cloth,matress and light wey them use for my house,anyman way go marry them must pay me back all the money wey i take train them and bring them up,plus including the money for the work wey i do with their mama to born them,una no know say,to born girls now na beta business,osisi if this your campaingn on dowry na joke abeg make you stop am o at least wait till my childrenses marry finish.
presido1 (m)
Re: Time To Abolish Dowry
« #68 on: September 12, 2007, 10:23 PM »

I don't think that dowry is compulsary, what cannot be skipped is the things you will give the relatives or Umuada as the case may be and in some places the list for the relatives is so exorbitant that the guy might take off is he is not loaded. Case study is in Mbaisi Imo State. If you are not reach abeg no near that area otherwise you need to sale something to marry their gyl.
What u should advocate is for the umuada to consider their list as things have changed.Dowry is our custom and must be fulfiled irrespective of how small it may be and i beleive thats why you old boy collected the N1. It does not imply that he sold you as some people will put it.
Donzman (m)
Re: Time To Abolish Dowry
« #69 on: September 13, 2007, 12:31 AM »

Quote
I've heard of churches and town meetings conducting a charitable fund raising to help out members about to marry a wife. That is just so shameful when a community has to pitch in to marry a wife for a man
What mouth will that man ever use to talk?

You're heard, you've heardhow many have you seen?. . .Dowries are not outrageous on average. Even if they were, marriage ceremonies are freaking expensive, you might as well abolish it, why not? People save for years just to afford a decent marriage, what a horrible ceremony!
Uche2nna (m)
Re: Time To Abolish Dowry
« #70 on: September 13, 2007, 12:38 AM »

Exactly ma point, presido.

Dowry is not the main issue. That one na akamu case. The problem begins with demands of every tom, dcik and harry that happens to be related or associated with the bride. Umuada, number one culprit Grin  Also, in some communities, u are expected to buy one big box (usually echolac) and fill that up to the brim with hollandis for the mother in law or the bride, whichever. Funny thing is that the mother in law has a rite to reject ur box if she thinks it is not rich enough  or not to fill to the brim.

+osisi
Re: Time To Abolish Dowry
« #71 on: September 13, 2007, 12:45 AM »

Quote from: Uche2nna on September 13, 2007, 12:38 AM
Exactly ma point, presido.

Dowry is not the main issue. That one na akamu case. The problem begins with demands of every tom, dcik and harry that happens to be related or associated with the bride. Umuada, number one culprit Grin  Also, in some communities, u are expected to buy one big box (usually echolac) and fill that [b]up to the brim with hollandis for the mother in law or the bride, whichever. Funny thing is that the mother in law has a rite to reject your box if she thinks it is not rich enough  or not to fill to the brim.[/b]



yes now,we don't want the man to just run out and buy any yeye wrapper and bring,it has to be original wax not some aba n'anya.
what will her fellow women say if the suitor can't provide common wrappers for the woman who carried his wife 42 weeks and went through great pains to push her out Grin
The Hollandais must not be adjusted.
I no mind that one.

kidding
omoge (f)
Re: Time To Abolish Dowry
« #72 on: September 13, 2007, 12:47 AM »

Abi o my sister. not some cheap nigeria wax. i will tell ma people to request for hollandis and George  Grin some Real English wax not nigeria wax  Grin

Not yet time to abolish it o.
Uche2nna (m)
Re: Time To Abolish Dowry
« #73 on: September 13, 2007, 01:41 AM »

And we are all complaining about the dowry  Cheesy


Do You know how much it takes to buy an echolac and then fill it up with original wrapper  Shocked

Ol boy, that is enough for me to take a rain check on my marriage oooooo!!!
debosky (m)
Re: Time To Abolish Dowry
« #74 on: September 13, 2007, 03:22 AM »

please forgive my ignorance, but what the heck is an 'echolac'??
Uche2nna (m)
Re: Time To Abolish Dowry
« #75 on: September 13, 2007, 04:27 AM »

Quote from: debosky on September 13, 2007, 03:22 AM
please forgive my ignorance, but what the heck is an 'echolac'??

Maybe I did not spell it rite  Undecided  but it is a kind of luxury suit case or box (or watever U might want to call it) . Heard it was expensive also
presido1 (m)
Re: Time To Abolish Dowry
« #76 on: September 13, 2007, 09:38 AM »

The topic should have been how we can reform[b][/b] the marriage rights,we must not abolish all our identity rather we reform to stand the teste of time.
Abolish this abolish that is not helping us at all.
iya aje (m)
Re: Time To Abolish Dowry
« #77 on: September 13, 2007, 08:57 PM »

Quote from: omoge on September 13, 2007, 12:47 AM
Abi o my sister. not some cheap nigeria wax. i will tell ma people to request for hollandis and George Grin some Real English wax not nigeria wax Grin

Not yet time to abolish it o.
omoge why you dey put fear for my mind now?abi you no jnow say i wan carry 1st wine come?if i bring hollandis and all those thns wey you write na wetin me and you go chop when we marry finish,biko reduce those thns.
laudate
Re: Time To Abolish Dowry
« #78 on: September 13, 2007, 08:59 PM »

Quote from: Uche2nna on September 13, 2007, 12:38 AM
Also, in some communities, u are expected to buy one big box (usually echolac) and fill that [b]up to the brim with hollandis for the mother in law or the bride, whichever.[/b] Funny thing is that the mother in law has a rite to reject your box if she thinks it is not rich enough  or not to fill to the brim.

If the large suitcase is meant for the bride, just 'pally' the babe and tell her to fill it up with her own clothes underneath, while you pile a few new wrappers on top to make it look heavy. Wink But if the suitcase is meant for the mother-in-law, ehm. . . .you will need to think of another strategy be that o!
Uche2nna (m)
Re: Time To Abolish Dowry
« #79 on: September 13, 2007, 10:59 PM »

How U go take pally the babe when the box will be scrutinized by the babe's mother. Do U think she would not recognize her daughter's old clothings.

Anyway, another option (if the box and suitcase belongs to the daughter) is just to go and borrow new wrappers from a seller at a cost. The mother in law and other aunts and sisters sees them and approves. After the whole ceremony take back the cloth and collect ur deposit back. I swear, i don see somebody wey do am  Grin
kellorah (f)
Re: Time To Abolish Dowry
« #80 on: September 13, 2007, 11:02 PM »

Poor guys!! Grin

ABOLISH it. It's outdated.  Grin Some customs in Nigeria suck man, totally. Angry
+osisi
Re: Time To Abolish Dowry
« #81 on: September 14, 2007, 12:55 AM »

Quote from: Uche2nna on September 13, 2007, 10:59 PM
How You go take pally the babe when the box will be scrutinized by the babe's mother. Do You think she would not recognize her daughter's old clothings.

Anyway, another option (if the box and suitcase belongs to the daughter) is just to go and borrow new wrappers from a seller at a cost. The mother in law and other aunts and sisters sees them and approves. After the whole ceremony take back the cloth and collect your deposit back. I swear, i don see somebody wey do am Grin

TUFIAKWA!!
chei,man don suffer.
Borrow wrapper to marry wife and take it back
alu emee
$$Rhino
Re: Time To Abolish Dowry
« #82 on: September 14, 2007, 01:15 AM »

with the exception of some people that think dowry is a make-rich event, i think it is a good idea to never abolish something like that, dowry is a good thing, it is a way to appreciate what you see in the woman and showing to the family of the lady that you are up to the task, now be4 u chop off my head, some people are greedy bastards when it comes to dowry, any family that is asking for cow and cars, they should be stone to death by sharia law, because they are thieves, however, the practice of dowry is nice, cute and should continue.
Uche2nna (m)
Re: Time To Abolish Dowry
« #83 on: September 14, 2007, 03:33 AM »

Quote from: +osisi on September 14, 2007, 12:55 AM
TUFIAKWA!!
chei,man don suffer.
Borrow wrapper to marry wife and take it back
alu emee

Desperate situations call for desperate measures  Cheesy
trendy (f)
Re: Time To Abolish Dowry
« #84 on: September 14, 2007, 09:02 AM »

This topic is hilarious, my dad did not pay a dime for my mum
so he is not getting anything eihter, lol,
but it's really sad, i don't want to be tribalistic here
but there's a tribe in naija that collects too much
As if the daughter is for sale
My aunt's wedding last month, her bride price was just N100, just for the significance of paying the bride price, but for i wont let them collect 1 penny  Undecided
toshmann (m)
Re: Time To Abolish Dowry
« #85 on: September 14, 2007, 03:10 PM »

dowry is symbolic. in my place it is very secretive and only the suitor and the girl's father know how much it is. it is usually little. just to show that the father has accepted the guy as a son-in-law. but my wahala na all those lists Angry . infact, in these days of 419, guys go soon begin borrow cars, house, even degrees and jobs to pose before and during wedding. and return all after the wedding Cool

in fact, one of my friends say he borrow some money from the very babe wey him wan marry Grin  Grin  . . . . and it's worse among us (igbos).

with all these unmarried katikrous  babes wey full igbo land, the next option may be home made prostitution o (katiki=old babes/old cargo. . lol )
(i.e sleeping with men whom you hope will marry you but you know they wont marry you)
willywilly
Re: Time To Abolish Dowry
« #86 on: September 14, 2007, 04:30 PM »

My uncle married 4 wives and all are yorubas,
he spent (250)naira as dowry for his 1st marriage, 2nd wife he paid (300)naira, 3rd wife he got her as a gift after he bought a land from a Yoruba man, 4th wife he paid nothing, only bought AGBADA and BuBA for the father and mother. for all his four wives he spent less than (1200)naira. i love that ,a very good bargain
+osisi
Re: Time To Abolish Dowry
« #87 on: September 14, 2007, 05:22 PM »

Quote from: willywilly on September 14, 2007, 04:30 PM
My uncle married 4 wives and all are yorubas,
he spent (250)naira as dowry for his 1st marriage, 2nd wife he paid (300)naira, 3rd wife he got her as a gift after he bought a land from a Yoruba man, 4th wife he paid nothing, only bought AGBADA and BuBA for the father and mother. for all his four wives he spent less than (1200)naira. i love that ,a very good bargain

Hmm.
This kind randy uncle of yours. Shocked Shocked
high bride price would have curtailed his appetite for women.
If he paid through the nose to get the first wife,he could have never afforded a 2nd talk less of a 3rd and 4th.
See how high bride price may be an advantage sometimes.
willywilly
Re: Time To Abolish Dowry
« #88 on: September 14, 2007, 05:38 PM »

Quote from: +osisi on September 14, 2007, 05:22 PM
high bride price would have curtailed his appetite for women.
Grin
Uche2nna (m)
Re: Time To Abolish Dowry
« #89 on: September 15, 2007, 09:28 PM »

Quote from: trendy on September 14, 2007, 09:02 AM
This topic is hilarious, my dad did not pay a dime for my mum
so he is not getting anything eihter, lol,
but it's really sad, i don't want to be tribalistic here
but there's a tribe in naija that collects too much
As if the daughter is for sale
My aunt's wedding last month, her bride price was just N100, just for the significance of paying the bride price, but for i wont let them collect 1 penny Undecided


Abeg, tell me which community your mum hail from. E be like say na there I go go pitch my tent !!!

Or even better, give me your papa address make I come ask your hand in marriage. Who no like " awoof" Grin
MP007 (m)
Re: Time To Abolish Dowry
« #90 on: September 16, 2007, 08:03 AM »

cut your coat according to ur size,  u don't necessary have to "rise up to the challenge',  do the best u can without going into debt. Going into debt because of marriage is ridiculous and dishearting, Its like we are not really focused on the real reason for the wedding but rather the cloths,money food etc, what a shame
Uche2nna (m)
Re: Time To Abolish Dowry
« #91 on: September 16, 2007, 05:54 PM »


@ MP 40

what the 'ell r u talking about? U can only cut ur coat according to ur size if u are the tailor or ur tailor is under ur control. If ur tailor is running haywire, believe me U, so will ur coat!!!!

In this sitation ur coat is entirely in the mercy of ur bride's parents and community. U gat nothing to do with it. They play thye tune and u just dance to it. Unless if u are reffering to cutting off the girl entirely and marrying from a "cheaper" community Undecided
+osisi
Re: Time To Abolish Dowry
« #92 on: September 16, 2007, 11:11 PM »

Quote from: Uche2nna on September 16, 2007, 05:54 PM
@ MP 40

What the 'ell r u talking about? You can only cut your coat according to your size if u are the tailor or your tailor is under your control. If your tailor is running haywire, believe me You, so will your coat!!!!

In this sitation your coat is entirely in the mercy of your bride's parents and community. You gat nothing to do with it. They play thye tune and u just dance to it. Unless if u are reffering to cutting off the girl entirely and marrying from a "cheaper" community Undecided

or insisting they dash you the girl Shocked
Bosdem (f)
Re: Time To Abolish Dowry
« #93 on: September 17, 2007, 10:22 AM »

We all pay dowry in this part of the world, but i think the easterner are just being greedy, in my mum place (somewhere in Edo state) dowry is just N42.00, and in yoruba land the bride family return the dowry before the end of the ceremony to tell you their daughter is not for sale. you can imagine a dowry list where Milo, Milk, can food are included i think they are just greedy.
uchetobi (f)
Re: Time To Abolish Dowry
« #94 on: September 17, 2007, 10:51 AM »

if aman doesnt have money to pay for dowry, chances that he'l be able to take care of his family is slim

Besides the girls family contributes to the weddding significantly, why should men be complainin about the only part they are to do alone??
Uche2nna (m)
Re: Time To Abolish Dowry
« #95 on: September 17, 2007, 09:58 PM »

Quote from: Bosdem on September 17, 2007, 10:22 AM
We all pay dowry in this part of the world, but i think the easterner are just being greedy, in my mum place (somewhere in Edo state) dowry is just N42.00, and in yoruba land the bride family return the dowry before the end of the ceremony to tell you their daughter is not for sale. you can imagine a dowry list where Milo, Milk, can food are included i think they are just greedy.

If these are the kind of stuff that is demanded, then we are in good times. Me sef fit marry three Lips sealed


Quote from: uchetobi on September 17, 2007, 10:51 AM
if aman doesnt have money to pay for dowry, chances that he'l be able to take care of his family is slim

Besides the girls family contributes to the weddding significantly, why should men be complainin about the only part they are to do alone??

Like which part does the family of the girl actually contribute?Huh 
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