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kenway (m)
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This is simply my opinion.
I stand corrected however if i see a more convincing argument.
Thank you all in anticipation of your replies.
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ayusman16 (m)
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please don't start this comparison plssssssssssss
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kenway (m)
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If you give me a good reason i'll tell seun to take it off.
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ayusman16 (m)
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what i mean, Vogt cannot be compared with Tella, who is tella in terms of achievements compared to vogt? Let Tella prove himself that this victory is no fluke by bringin up another U17 winning squad,
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toba1909 (m)
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Why do you have to reason this way?Berti Vogtz coaching career superceed Yemi Tella's,Winning this U17 of a thing doesn,t even bring him closer to Vogtz in career.Moreover the team work is being coordinated by Ben Iroha not him because he's not feeling alright before they left Nigeria.
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ayusman16 (m)
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Even at that, he still cannot be compared, Tella has been with the team since the pepsi academy
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doyin13 (m)
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Me I just feel there should be a principle established
NO bloody foreign coaches
Let us prosper or fall with local coaches
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ayusman16 (m)
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don't be deceived, no local coach can excel with our Super Eagles at International level,  |
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doyin13 (m)
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@ayusman
well we will not find out if we don't give them a chance do we
and I don't see the overwhelming success that these foreign coaches have given us
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I-man (m)
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@ayusman
well we will not find out if we don't give them a chance do we
Maybe them never born you when the likes of Festus Onigbinde,Christian Chukwu,Shuaibu Amodu.e.tc coached the Super Eagles  Ask people how "fantastic" we were. |
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doyin13 (m)
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You dey talk of age
how many chances them give foreign coaches before we finally reach world cup
and when we reach there it jus happened to coincide with the most talented squads we had
NOw they give local coaches a chance with much diminished talent and una dey shout
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A-40 (m)
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Una no go kill person with laugh
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ayusman16 (m)
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I would laff at your ignorance if u tell me Tella is better than Berti Vogts, put patrotism aside, in todays match which side was more technical? Our attack lacked cordination with the midfield, If not for god of soccer decided to be a Nigerian; the spaniard would have carried the day, they were obviously more technical in their approach to the game,
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tkb417 (m)
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u guys should stop. yemi tella and Vogts!!! na wa o. Tella will die of hyper tension if they ask him to coach super eagles. He was even brought from the hospital while coaching these small bois.
whoever started this should remove the thread before you kill the man with this comparison
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ayusman16 (m)
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Abi ooo. them no even fit hug am for fear, d guy really look sick on the bench, KUdos to Iroha for doing a good job
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lawyer (m)
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@ayusman I would laff at your ignorance if u tell me Tella is better than Berti Vogts, put patrotism aside, in todays match which side was more technical? Our attack lacked cordination with the midfield, If not for god of soccer decided to be a Nigerian; the spaniard would have carried the day, they were obviously more technical in their approach to the game,
I think your a little bit harsh in your judgement here. You talked about technicality. There is a big difference between technicality and winning mentality. Am an Arsenal fan to the blood and i can tell you that while i appreciate arsenal's technical ability, it doesn't always result in a winning mentality. The spaniards are like the south americans, beautiful ball jugglers and finesse in technicality but how many tournaments has spain won from the junior to senior level? Agreed the boys did not have a future Mikel or Okocha in the midfield, but they chose a pattern that helped them win the cup, that is a powerful mental and physical discipline to conquer their opponets. While the spaniards dominated the midfield, our defence over shadowed their strikers. The presence of Udoh today at the back is what a club or country like arsenal or spain lacks. Your winning ability starts from the confidence your defence reposes on the team. Tella disciplined this boys and in return they disciplined themselves. The bottom line is who won not who dribbled the most. As it regards Tella and vogts, all i would say is, that tella is not a coach but a lecturer who came to prove a point but if he continues this way with his disciplined background then in 10 years time, this would be a no contest. Vogts has only succeeded in germany as a coach of their national team and since 1996, he has been a collosal failure for every team he had managed. Do you think if any of the 4 big premiership managers where coaching the super eagles, there wont be discipline in the team? Vogts is a business man and he's interested in his salary. The only white coach that understands African football is claude le roy and his results are open to the world to see. so to me there is no comparison between the 2 |
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Mc Omo (m)
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@D-law . . .God bless u !! na 4reign mentality dey kill d average naija man ! Who is Berti Vogts and what has he really achieved where ? a Local coach/lecturer of coaches- baba Tella instills d kind discipline Vogts is praying hard to in his boys winning a World cup in d process and some numbskulls yap balderdash here ? do u guys know what it takes to be a winner ? Techinic ability , natural ability, luck , divine intervention and very importantly A WINNING AURA !!!
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tkb417 (m)
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lies. send him to coach the Eagles then. Amodu,Chukwu etc. we have seen the nations cup they have won. |
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doyin13 (m)
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Well how many those foreign coaches don win? International football should be centred around a principle -UTILIZE BLOODY NIGERIANS  |
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tkb417 (m)
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@Doyin 13
I agree with you.if that is stipulated, ill be happy at least as our game improves, the coaching aspect of it will grow. But, in the meantime, we have to use the best. Our locals need to develop their capacity to coach beyond the shores of Nigeria.
Chukwu went to lowly Kenya but was sent home, Keshi was humiliated by the gooner in the Togolese team 'because he would prefer a foreign coach.
Then how will they coach Nigeria if they can't even succeed in those countries. Remember what happened after the last Under-20 world cup, everybody believed the ineptitude of the coach cost us the trophey.
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lawyer (m)
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You guys aren't still getting the whole gist of the matter. Whether Tella or Vogts, black or white, home based or foreign coach, the main thing is who can actually instill discipline in a team and suceed? The most successful white coach in Nigeria is westahof, because for 5 years, he had the national team under firm lock and key. He handled them so well that established players had to shelve their ego once they had a call up from him. Ask ikpeba, tijani babangida and kanu why they didnt go to the usa94 world cup. He no send them and meanwhile, they were the hottest properties in europe then. Contrary to what people might say, Onigbide is another successful coach, because it's it disciplinary reforms of japan/korea 2002 that we are gaining today. The utakas and osazes in the national team is because of the discipline instilled that fumigated the likes of oliseh and his ilk from the national team. Siasia also succeeded because of that same mental and physical discipline, now tella is the latest one. Now the issue is not whether he is white or black, but who can actually not kiss the ass of these players. We all know nigerian players are filled with ego and efizzi and once a coach can clip that ego in them, we would succeed. Discipline first=technicality= success |
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tkb417 (m)
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Kanu wouldnt have made the team on merit. No space for him then.
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Seun (m)
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Who is Yemi Teller? A Nigerian soccer coach or what?  |
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lawyer (m)
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Kanu wouldnt have made the team on merit. No space for him then @tkb417 But friday ekpo, emeka ezeugo and nduka ugbade made the team on merit, compared to a player who just won the champions league with ajax that year and was an intergral part of the success of the ajax team? Didn't Nigerians complain bitterly when Nduka Ugbade and Friday Ekpo, where introduced after Amuneke and Amokachi were stretchered off in the game against italy?, Talk about merit indeed! And wasn't it the last time those 2 played for Nigeria again? @ seun Who is Yemi Teller? A Nigerian soccer coach or what? Tella is the Nigerian coach of the under 17 golden eaglets. The man that was *boning* through out the tournament sitting down that the commentator said his face looks like thunder |
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tkb417 (m)
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@ lawyer I presume you don't know what you are talking about or you just want to talk or spew rubbish. LET ME LECTURE YOU SOCCER -USA 94 was held in the summer 1994 -Kanu came into limelight in Japan 1993(thats one year before the world cup. he wasnt even known). -Kanu began his career, aged fifteen, at First Division club Federation Works before moving to Iwuanyanwu Nationale in 1992. -After a notable performance at the Under-17 World Championships he was signed by Ajax Amsterdam in 1993 for €207,047. - He made his Ajax debut in 1994 and went on to play 54 times for the Dutch side, scoring 25 goals; - Kanu came on as a sub in Ajax's 1995 Champions League final win over AC Milan. ( note the year the UCL was played. Milan won that year after mauling Barcelona) How could he have played for Nigeria on merit in 1994? please, stop saying what you don't know. Kanu playing for Nigeria in 1994 when Okocha could not even get a first team shirt Hope you now know |
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tkb417 (m)
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PS
My bad. Milan won the previous year againt Barca. Kanu wasnt an integral part as you stated.
Thats just the point i tried to make.
Chao
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tommyex (m)
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VOGTS is simply a white man,ecxcept u wana say all WHITE MEN R GOOD coaches.
I see him as d worst coach in Nigeria 4 some decades now,lets wait 4 Nations cup sha,e no far.Just watch out 4 his substitutions.
But wait o is d TOPIC KANU's club movement or what?lol
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tkb417 (m)
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No it isnt about Kanu. pointed out something and it got elaborated. Sorry, thats my last piece outside the topic
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ebos (m)
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Because we carry papa them go win the cup, na him make u dey compare the coaches - wey the least person for our Golden Eaglet is 22 years. Dem play with small boys. Watch out, before 10 years now, our boys go tire, but the oyibo them go still dey wax stronger for pitch. E go take more 10 years before most oyibo players go reach the age(s) of most of our Eaglet wey play them.
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mutiu78 (m)
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Don't compare Vogts with Tella at this stage, Vogts has not been to any major competition with the Super Eagles. Lets wiat for the Ghana 2008.
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pheesayor (m)
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One revelation for you all,
Ever wondered why the junior teams perform so well and the supper eagles flop? FOOTBALL AGE
When the likes of Uncle Alfa and Uncle Akinsola play against peopl much younger than them, they shine and when they get to the senior level, they would have been overaged and wont be able to perform optimally because of their age,
This was a comment from someone, I stand to be corrected
As for Yemi and Vogts, u can't compare them now because Vogts hasn't been with the team for long. The ones you can compare are Tella and Siasia
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