I will once again use the same standards and criteria that the Nazi Jochen Katz employs, in fact this article will also expose any other Christian who has a faulty way of argumentation.



If anyone has read the Bible, then they would know that the Bible claims that the Moon will turned into blood, as we read in the book of Joel:



The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.



So the moon will be turned into blood!



If anyone studies basic astronomy, then you will all know it is physically IMPOSSIBLE for the moon to turn into blood. It would almost be like saying the moon is made up of cheese (who knows maybe it is according to the Bible!).



No scientist who isn't a Christian will ever believe such a wild claim, that the moon will be turned into blood, heck even Christian scientists will deny such a thing!



I challenge any Christian to bring me scientific proof of how the moon can be turned into blood; I would really love to know how!



Remember, I am being like Jochen Katz, and I am being like Christians who love to argue and use science, always saying the Bible's claim are both HISTORICALLY and SCIENTIFICALLY accurate to the end. Since this is a future event to take place, it doesn't go under failing a historical event, but completely misses the mark when it comes to science.



Now watch the Christians employ their lovely double standards, it is so lovely to watch, and very amusing.



And Allah Knows Best!

http://muslim-responses.com/Moon_Blood/Moon_Blood_

So just because it is not scientifically proven, does not mean it can not turn to blood. Why undermine God's abilities??

ronkebp:

So just because it is not scientifically proven, does not mean it can not turn to blood. Why undermine God's abilities??

on the contrary! you are seeing something that goes contrary to God's laws.science and the way for instance the planets have orbits is evident of divine planning.so your bible goes against divine laws.

also,if this was found in the Quran or Vedas,will a christian understand that he should not undermine God's ability?

Divine law?? according to who? the scientist?? who made the ''so-called divine law''

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

according to the Creator.

a car that runs with petrol has a user manual by the maker.you cannot use kerosine.so likewise,the laws of nature and the laws which govern the heavenly bodies are placed by God Himself.

So what is your point? why is it impossible for this same God to turn moon into blood

the point is such a conversion undermines God's law.a moon would not be turned into blood and still be considered a moon.do you get it?

the language is possibly figurative, or has more than one context.

compare with

Then he had another dream, and he told it to his brothers. “Listen,” he said, “I had another dream, and this time the sun and moon and eleven stars were bowing down to me.”

10 When he told his father as well as his brothers, his father rebuked him and said, “What is this dream you had? Will your mother and I and your brothers actually come and bow down to the ground before you?”

gen 37 9-10

A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head

rev 12:1

tpia@:

the language is possibly figurative, or has more than one context.

compare with
gen 37 9-10

this isn't an issue of figurative and literal.this is a prophecy that is said to come to pass.

LagosShia:

the point is such a conversion undermines God's law.a moon would not be turned into blood and still be considered a moon.do you get it?

What will it be called then? BLOON? prophecies are of an appointed time, if it is in the Bible it will surely come to past, whether proven by science or not. God things cannot be understood by a mean man, He has to open the inner eyes, for anyone to really see.

Turned to blood is also translated as red as blood.

Whatever can turn the sun to darkness no doubt will change the moon too.

This guy is still a mumu. All what muslims know is to tackle Christian because of envy and grief in their hearts which Q'ran teaches them. Since u believed God created you and when u will die no one on earth can bring u back to live again I think u should equally ask God how he did it "goat".

victorazy:

This guy is still a mumu. All what muslims know is to tackle Christian because of envy and grief in their hearts which Q'ran teaches them.

i am only applying against false teaching what the bible says:

Psalms 139:19-22:
"Surely thou wilt slay the wicked, O God: Depart from me therefore, ye bloodthirsty men. For they speak against thee wickedly, And thine enemies take (thy name) in vain. Do not I hate them, O Jehovah, that hate thee? And am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee? I hate them with perfect hatred: They are become mine enemies."

2 Peter 2:12
"These false teachers are like unthinking animals, creatures of instinct, born to be caught and destroyed. They scoff at things they do not understand, and like animals, they will be destroyed."

Psalms 137:8-9
O Babylon, you will be destroyed. Happy is the one who pays you back for what you have done to us.Happy is the one who takes your babies and smashes them against the rocks!

Since u believed God created you and when u will die no one on earth can bring u back to live again I think u should equally ask God how he did it "goat".

"Indeed, those who believed and those who were Jews or Christians or Sabeans [before Prophet Muhammad] - those [among them] who believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness - will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve".(Holy Quran 2:62)

If God wants to turn the moon into blood, it's within his omnipotence. He can do anything . It doesnt have to be literal blood anyway. He turned the water of Egypt red as blood before. He is God.

^^^^^^

will blood reflect light?

i know that God has created light and has created blood.except blood can reflect light which it naturally does not,i dont see how that law would be possible.

it is just like saying you'd be given to different biological parents to born you again.its not an issue of God's power.yes we know God can do everything.its an issue of how natural and real that thing would be.

God always use the folish things to confound the wise.
With God you cannot succeed in using your own wisdom
whatsoever. You need a child-like faith

East:

God always use the folish things to confound the wise.
With God you cannot succeed in using your own wisdom
whatsoever. You need a child-like faith

whatever!

Then the Lord rained upon Sodom and Gomorrah fire and brim stone from the Lord out of heaven.
Gen 19:24.

You may be quick to say,how possible?
Anyway, your posts doesnt treat the full Bleep ups in your Koran.

LagosShia:

"Indeed, those who believed and those who were Jews or Christians or Sabeans [before Prophet Muhammad] - those [among them] who believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness - will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve".(Holy Quran 2:62)

I dont want your heaven full of fresh,black eyed virgins and young boys for Sex.ual pleasure. The heaven of my Jesus is the best for me.
I wanna be an Angel and not a Porп actor.

A total lunar eclipse can cast the moon into shadow and making it appear bright red and supersized.

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The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.

Its a simple figurative language that many Muslims cant get their heads around. It simply means that the moon shall turn red, which happens during an eclipse. The writers were depicting the signs that will accompany the signs they were talking. A double darkening of the sun and moon.

If anyone studies basic astronomy, then you will all know it is physically IMPOSSIBLE for the moon to turn into blood. It would almost be like saying the moon is made up of cheese (who knows maybe it is according to the Bible!).

No scientist who isn't a Christian will ever believe such a wild claim, that the moon will be turned into blood, heck even Christian scientists will deny such a thing!

I challenge any Christian to bring me scientific proof of how the moon can be turned into blood; I would really love to know how!

Incidentally during the last lunar eclipse of the moon of December 2011, Scientist described it as "super sized - BLOOD RED moon"

http://www.space.com/13874-total-lunar-eclipse-dec-10-preview.html

Since its so difficult to understand, For example if I say his family is of blue blood, to LagosShia the colour of his family's blood is blue not red!

LagosShia na wa oh! 

I think we have to firstly establish if LagosShia's education was restricted to Quran Recitation in a Koranic school ONLY. 

He seems to have some problem grasping simple scientific principles. !!!

frosbel:

I think we have to firstly establish if LagosShia's education was restricted to Quran Recitation in a Koranic school ONLY. 

He seems to have some problem grasping simple scientific principles. !!!

Honestly sometimes i wonder. I try to ignore him, but for the sake of gullible people, I spend my precious time even explaining rudimentary things. 

It amazes me that some Muslims will seek to raise questions about others when contraadictions in the Quran sticks out like a sore thumb:

Here are a couple;

Number one

The sun sets in a muddy pool/spring -- Sura Sura 18:90

It is scientifically proven that the sun does not go down in a muddy spring.

This seems to presuppose a flat earth, which we know is utter rubbish. If Allah was all knowing and made the earth, how come he forgot that the earth was round an d the sun went round it not in a muddy pool?

Number two

Suras 15:16-18, 55:33-35 etc. which seem to speak about the same thing. - The stars were created by Allah as missiles to throw at the devils? In order to not let them eavesdrop on the heavenly council? Not exactly a "scientific" world view.

What rubbish. If Mohammed didn't know what the stars are for he ought to just keep quiet.


Number three

Mohammed flew (?) from the Sacred Mosque to the Farthest Mosque (Al-Masjid-ul-Aqs-a).
-- Sura 17:1

Problem was The Farthest Mosque (Al-Masjid-ul-Aqs-a) was built many years after the death of Muhammad. It is utterly impossible that Muhammad visited it on his Night Journey.


Number four

Wine: Good or bad? Strong drink and , are only an infamy of Satan's handiwork. [Sura 5:90, also 2:219]. Yet on the other hand in Paradise are rivers of wine [47:15, also 83:22,25]. How does Satan's handiwork get into Paradise?


Number five

The stars and the moon: The Qur'an teaches that there are seven heavens one above the other [Sura 67:3, 71:15], and that the stars are in the lower heaven [Sura67:5, 37:6, 41:12], but the moon is depicted as being in/inside the seven heavens [Sura 71:16], even though in reality the stars are much further away from the earth than the moon.


These are just five of almost 300 fallacies recorded and counting

LagosShia:

this isn't an issue of figurative and literal.this is a prophecy that is said to come to pass.

atmospheric disturbances of the type described earlier in the passage you quoted, can cause the moon to turn red.

brentkruge:

It amazes me that some Muslims will seek to raise questions about others when contraadictions in the Quran sticks out like a sore thumb:

obviously you are lost.so as usual you pull a redherring on the an off topic issue.let me assure you that there is not one contradiction in the Holy Quran.infact the Holy Quran makes it the yardstick to know if a book is from God or not.

in one of the Quranic verses we are told:"had this being from any other than God,you would surely have found a lot of discrepancies".

so i want to tell you that the verses you raised as "examples" are based either on your corrupt misinterpretations which are deliberate or imagination which results from ignorance.

if you need to talk about the Holy Quran,please kindly open another thread,or there is another thread which your fellow blind christians started.there you could even find some of your stories against the Quran answered beyind doubt:
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-820495.0.html

tpia@:


atmospheric disturbances of the type described earlier in the passage you quoted, can cause the moon to turn red.

turning red in color as a result of refraction or reflection is not the same thing as turning it into blood.as besides,i hope you know what the color red looks like and how usually the moon APPEARS red.

LagosShia:

obviously you are lost.so as usual you pull a redherring on the an off topic issue.let me assure you that there is not one contradiction in the Holy Quran.infact the Holy Quran makes it the yardstick to know if a book is from God or not.

in one of the Quranic verses we are told:"had this being from any other than God,you would surely have found a lot of discrepancies".

so i want to tell you that the verses you raised as "examples" are based either on your corrupt misinterpretations which are deliberate or imagination which results from ignorance.

if you need to talk about the Holy Quran,please kindly open another thread,or there is another thread which your fellow blind christians started.there you could even find some of your stories against the Quran answered beyind doubt:
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-820495.0.html

You are one funny dude. What are you thinking? That the Quran will tell you there are discrepancies in its OWN TEXT? be real man! Approach the Quran with an open mind. Look at the facts yourself and decide. Only you can set yourself free.


I have been going through the Religion section of this forum and realize that YOU, smack in the middle of a thread, will reel out a list of contradictions of other religious texts. I learnt the bad habit from you really. Why are you complaining when given a dose of your own medicine.

Dude, I am not a Christian. I am an ex-muslim who is agnostic for now. I ditched Islam; its messed up.

brentkruge:

You are one funny dude. What are you thinking? That the Quran will tell you there are discrepancies in its OWN TEXT? be real man! Approach the Quran with an open mind. Look at the facts yourself and decide. Only you can set yourself free.

you are a very big Idi.ot.

do you know why? lets assume for argument sake,the Quran has contradiction and it is not from God.you are asking me to "free" myself.why dont you lead in example and free yourself? the bible is the book with numerous contradictions,immoral tales,false prophecies,fairytales,and fallacious and unscientific statements.

i have told you that there exist another thread for your topic.dont go and copy from some websites that are anti-islamic,coming here to derail this thread.that isn't going to happen.you are not going to run from this topic.best,open another thread and you'd get what you are looking for.if you persist you'd be ignored in your frustration.then you'd only have the wall to hit your head against or may be you would have to burn your bible up!

I have been going through the Religion section of this forum and realize that YOU, smack in the middle of a thread, will reel out a list of contradictions of other religious texts. I learnt the bad habit from you really. Why are you complaining when given a dose of your own medicine.

Dude, I am not a Christian. I am an ex-muslim who is agnostic for now. I ditched Islam; its messed up.

keep claiming! i always stick to the topic and prove it right or wrong, you may just be "frosbel" with yet another username.the dishonesty ofthe christians and christianity's "pious fraud" is easily detectable.

Lagoshia

i've already pointed out the language can be figurative.

If you check the verse you quoted very well, you'll find out atmospheric disturbances (the heavens) were specifically mentioned before the sun and moon.

In any case, whatever happens to the sun will also affect the moon.

But you can believe whatever you want sha.

tpia@:

Lagoshia

i've already pointed out the language can be figurative.

ive already pointed out that this was meant to be a prophecy.so it is not figurative.when someone promise that the moon would be turned into blood,what would you understand and expect?

If you check the verse you quoted very well, you'll find out atmospheric disturbances (the heavens) were specifically mentioned before the sun and moon.

In any case, whatever happens to the sun will also affect the moon.

But you can believe whatever you want sha.

ive never seen the sun turned into blood.may be christians have witnessed that;after all their claim of "holy spirit" can make them see that!!!

LagosShia:

you are a very big Idi.ot.

do you know why? lets assume for argument sake,the Quran has contradiction and it is not from God.you are asking me to "free" myself.why dont you lead in example and free yourself? the bible is the book with numerous contradictions,immoral tales,false prophecies,fairytales,and fallacious and unscientific statements.

i have told you that there exist another thread for your topic.dont go and copy from some websites that are anti-islamic,coming here to derail this thread.that isn't going to happen.you are not going to run from this topic.best,open another thread and you'd get what you are looking for.if you persist you'd be ignored in your frustration.then you'd only have the wall to hit your head against or may be you would have to burn your bible up!

Can't you read? I have freed myself. I just told

As per going to Islamic website. SWEAR you dont go to some of those site yourself? You would never get all these things you are pasting all over this forum from your own study. Be a man and tell the truth. But this is not the issue really. the question is are those contradictions fact of fiction?

keep claiming! i always stick to the topic and prove it right or wrong, you may just be "frosbel" with yet another username.the dishonesty ofthe christians and christianity's "pious fraud" is easily detectable.

If you knew me in person, you would say I was paid. That was what someone once told me

You dont know me so I must "frosbel"