@olabowale,
Many times you seem to lower my respects for you because you argue issues like a child! What sort of analogy were you trying to offer in this:
To give you an answer on the Lost, distorted, impure Gospel, Torah, sabuur, indeed the Bible, you will have to follw my logic. First, if some oranges are freshly sqeezed into a tall glass, you will agree that it will have the pure orangy color, smell and if not strained, enough pulps. That is just for starter, with only visual test. If it is tasted, the drinker will definately be able to say for sure, that it is an adulturatedly a pure and freshly sqeezed orange juice. This is the state of the Torah, when it was revealed to Moses, the state of the sabuur when it was revealed to David and the state of the injiil when it was revealed to Jesus. May God be pleased with them all.
However, when they were not on the scene of mankind and just at the time that Muhammad came on the scene, the Bible, containing the three revelations, as indicated have gone from , similitude of a tall glass full of pure orange juice to the most watered down full glass of what could be called colored water, however faint/light the color is, and it has not the pure orange taste, now its smell and definately, you can only find some pulp, if you look hard enough!
And may I ask you a simple question: who gave the "oranges" in the "tall glass" in the first place - Muhammad or "Allah"?
You're simply chasing your tails on one spot! If 'Allah' says he is the revealer of the Torah and Injil, and then Muslims follow Muhammad's fallacies and fancies that they have been "corrupted" (or
'lost'), are they not admitting to the FACT that the very same "revelations" of 'Allah' have been altered, corrupted, changed and distorted?
It is easy for you to assume a convenient position to castigate the Bible as a book that "smells" in your hypocritical analogy. How about the fact by the same inference that the Qur'an reeks with a mephitis stench of the obvious fallacies which Muhammad pretended as "revelations" from Allah?
You're not making any sense at all with your hypocrisies, and have continued to confirm that you cannot hold a dialogue sanely and intelligently! That analogy is untennable, and the Bible does not "smell" nor is it 'watered down'. The many altercations of Muhammad's orations where he fabricated his own dialogues and passed off as the word of 'Allah' is what you should rather be concerned with, instead of sitting smug and trying to discredit the Bible on your weak assumptions.
How can this happen? The drinker of the initially tall orange, realises that he needs to keep his glass full, because of his unquenchable thirst and desire to satisfy his own need, regardless of how he does it. He pays no particular attention to the purity of the orange anymore, so he adds, ice/rocks to it, at first. Then later as he continues to drink, and there are no more ice/rocks, he added water, and he way even add cool aid, or tangy mix.
Have you realized that with all the add-mixes of Muhammad in the Qur'an and the hadiths, his thirst was was not quenched, and he went to his grave a disappointed man with his anti-Jewish and anti-Christian hate?
Tell me, how is it that Muhammad's Qur'an satisfies anyone when the end of the man himself was a sad tale? You have said so many silly things against Jesus Christ dying on the Cross; but for all that, He died and rose again - triumphant over sin, death, the grave, and the very same thing that Muhammad feared: the anti-Christ! How is it that Muhammad left curses on his lips as he breathed his last - whereas Jesus had forgiveness on His lips as He died on the Cross?
You may sit for ages continually trying to deride the Bible, Christianity and Jesus Christ - and yet deny that you have never done so! But I'm still asking Muslims just one thing: have you guys ever wondered that only Jesus is referred to as
THE Messiah (and in some cases "the deliverer" as well)?
So, if the Bible does not satisfy you with its offer of salvation, grace and abundant mercies (because you deliberately like to call it a "corrupt" Book); then is it Muhammad with a curse on his lips while he breathed his last that will yet deliver and satisfy?
Pleeease!
This is what is meant by lost, corrupted or whatever you want to call it.
Please stop furthering your career with duplicity - it is not a virtue! Muslims who try to fake the idea of a
LOST Torah and Injil do not explain it away with your weak analogy. They have categorically claimed that they
CANNOT BE FOUND! And our simple challenge has been that they produce what they claim is lost while they try to smuggle Muhammad into the Bible! Are you not one of those who have attempted to smuggle Muhammad into
John 14 and 16?The bottomline is that your Bible is no more 100% from God.
Which is based on a lie sld by Muhammad - for the simple reason that God
never spoke to him, nor did he have the faintest clue as to who
the Holy Spirit was! Does it not amaze you that a man who never heard God speak to him and who obviously made false claims is the same person you want to set above the Biblical prophets who ALL heard God speak to them directly as well as had a
personal experience of the power of
the Holy Spirit?
I know you will talk about it being inspired. So here is the question for you, does God inspire mondanely, as in some of the verses of whatever came out of Paul, where he said that this is from his own heart? Is that not an example that will cancel out your Inspired writer argument?
The example of Paul speaking about his own experience does not necessarily cancel out the fact that he was inspired to pen those words we read in his epistles. As if he would be present here today, he would say the same thing: "Since ye seek a proof of Christ speaking in me" (2 Cor. 13:3), so also he had a test for those who question the authenticity of his ministry:
1 Cor. 14:37 If any man think himself to be a
prophet, or
spiritual,
let him
acknowledge that the things that I write unto you
are the commandments of the Lord.
It is difficult for a "prophet" with a pretended "spiritual" portfolio to acknowledge the things written by Paul as being the commandments of the Lord. Why? Well, for a few reasons, including the following:
(a) a
natural man (
in contrast to a "spiritual man") does not receive the things of
the Spirit of God (1 Cor. 2:14). . . and until you actually discover for yourself the very identity of the One whom ALL the Biblical prophets knew as
the Spirit of God, then spiritual matters will continue to elude you! Muhammad definitely did not know
the Spirit of God (which he mistook for angel Gabriel) - and that was why he never heard from God nor did he acknowledge that Isaiah was telling the truth when he called the Messiah "the Mighty God" (Isaiah 9:6).
(b) Even the OT prophets also spoke of their own experiences - including Moses (Exo. 2:14), and the prophets following after his time! Did that cancel out the fact that the Torah was also inspired?
(c) what about the fact that some Muslims have tried to smuggle Muhammad into the Song of Solomon - which they have described as an X-rated book in the Bible? Yet, the same Muslims have failed to see that the Qur'an actually endorses Solomon's ministry, as well the fact that Muhammad was busy in the Hadiths telling his companions numerous X-rated stories of Solomon in an approving manner!
My dear olabowale, you continue to offer bloviates and yet skirting round the core concerns of the fact that the Qur'an falls on its face without a reference to the Bible! That is why you guys are now confused about your claim that the Torah and Injil are
lost - and that being the case, what are you doing searching the Bible for a convenient verse to read Muhammad into it?
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