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dudu-bobo
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I think Davidylan will agree with this guy 
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hola2ng (m)
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Dr Watson is a controversial individual. And this is sure to bring even more protests globally. My take is that the man is entitled to his own opinions. Every man on this earth is created equally as the other. To start with, where did civilization begin ? Life is full of people who are quick to label,they put you in a little box.
Secondly, what is this intelligence? Intelligence comes from the latin verb "intellegere", which means "to understand". Jean Piaget said, "Intelligence is what you use when you don't know what to do." There are several ways to define intelligence.Intelligence is a property of mind that encompasses many related abilities, such as the capacities to reason, to plan, to solve problems, to think abstractly, to comprehend ideas, to use language, and to learn.
Alfred Binet,the French psychologist who published the first modern intelligence test, the Binet-Simon intelligence scale once said, "Some recent thinkers seem to have given their moral support to these deplorable verdicts by affirming that an individual's intelligence is a fixed quantity, a quantity that cannot be increased. We must protest and react against this brutal pessimism; we must try to demonstrate that it is founded on nothing." In the Mismeasure of Man,a controversial 1981 book written by Harvard paleontologist Stephen Jay Gould,he critiqued the principal theme of biological determinism,which said that "worth can be assigned to individuals and groups by measuring intelligence as a single quantity." He argued that intelligence tests were based on faulty assumptions and showed their history of being used as the basis for scientific racism.
Individuals differ from one another in their ability to understand complex ideas, and Only God in his complexities can answer all human questions on intelligence.
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BlkRaven (f)
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I never read the daily mail. They are always trying to steer up trouble.
Africans are not less intelligent than westerners. Intelligence should be judged on an individual basis. I know some intelligent westerners and I know some really dumb ones. Same goes for Africans.
The articles say that "Tests reveal. . .". What tests were used to reach this conclusion? Who was involved in these tests? The links you posted clearly show that Dr Watson is using his position as a nobel laureate to perpetuate his own prejudices.
I'm waiting for the Equality and Human Rights Commission to get their teeth into this one.
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MORA_ZARIA
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i agree with that prof. westerners r more intellegent than u guys, at least they know what they r doin in ther life, but look at most of the nigerians,,in nigeria or in black africa generally more than 60% are illetrate and even the educated ones, go to schools and look at the teachers, I'm egyptien, i swear to god i know better than them and I'm a high school student, the proplem is truley inherted
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Horus (m)
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It seems a little ironic, that white people deem themselves genetically superior with the oxymoron of white supremacy. There is nothing supreme about a genetic defect. White people are merely mutated inbred albinos. This alone adds credence to them being an inferior stock. To feel better about themselves they develop totally senseless propaganda to flatter them and to make they feel better about their poor genetic condition at the expense of people of color. The doll test, where it has been reported that both white kids and black kids prefer WHITE dolls is solely out of ignorance, that I have termed “centuries of BRAINWASHARY.” It has clearly been shown that white skin is actually indicative of albinism. Albinism is a genetic defect. Who in their right mind would prefer a genetically defective condition to one that is Nature’s normal and has been proven more efficient? This is why we need to continue our crusade to decolonize the minds of the original genetic template (black people) to see through the nonsense propagated by white people to flatter themselves. Total ignorance can be fought with knowledge. A more recent tactic white people use to appease themselves is the “Implicit Association Test.” They have devised a means to make it seem as though white people are supposed to be the most desirable people on the planet and that everyone wants to be like them and be around them. If you can see through the nonsense, then you will know what I mean. Would you want to be around a bunch of paranoid white genetic defects with psychological problems and with intermittently inferior genes? In a nutshell, black people, being the original genetic template are the only fully NORMAL people on the planet. White people are albinos (recessive genetic defects) and other ethnicities are merely admixtures in between. Always remember these points, and you should never have to hold your head down to any recessive genetic defects.All phenotypes exist within the black family. Asian people are only the semi-recessive descendants of their ancestors who were a black African tribe with slanted eyes. White people are the albinos of a specific group of Africans and have inherited those people’s phenotypes. They try to imply that their phenotypes were originally theirs and that if you see people of African descent with these features, they inherited them from white people. Nothing is further from the truth. Blacks are the genetic parents. Remember, whites cannot reproduce anything else but themselves. They cannot reproduce genetic material they don’t have, melanin. Therefore, they cannot reproduce us, but we can reproduce them and all others in humanity. This should also convince you that all of the great civilizations from antiquity had to be started by us. White people with their recessive genes and poor reproductive systems, could not have lasted that long, seemingly that they are disappearing faster than anything now.
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FSU
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More intelligent? No. More disciplined? perhaps. More painstaking? Sure.
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FSU
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Until the differentially expressed genes for intelligence are discovered, only then can Mr. Crick celebrate his racism, and that may be in his grave.
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almondjoy (f)
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@Topic I agree! Definitely less intelligent otherwise they would take better care of themselves and each other in Africa and anywhere you find black people in the world. What a disgrace! Is it by mouth you prove intelligence, or by regurgitating what you learned from textbooks not written by your ancestors to make "first class"?  Compare the qualities of living anywhere you find both races and tell me that blacks are not less intelligent than whites! Don't need some DNA to prove it please! If not for apartheid in south africa, south africa would never smell the world map. Even in the most degenerate states of mind the "western mind" is still superior. When it comes to moral depravity and sheer ignorance and stupidity--the black race is superior. Not to mention slothfullness and outright baseless arrogance. God sure created something there! I wonder what he had in mind!  Most intelligent--Caucasians, Jews, Asians, Indians and Hispainics and then animals and forestry. Blacks or Africans do not have a rank in my opinion right now. Take a look around you and see for yourself! If you are proud of what you see, I am not. As for doing something about it, you are damn right I am. Distancing myself with anything that will take me back into the dark ages! Lack of progress loving people! Copyright race! When is the black race going to be the "real MCcoy"? No originality or capability of thinking for itself. Brain dead race! The laziest race on the face of planet earth and the environs! And before anyone thinks of writing nonsense to my response, you better think twice and keep stepping. Did not comment on yours so do not comment on mine! Thank you! This is not a private chat session please--just face the topic!!!
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FSU
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I am just wondering if Mr. Crick ever had a black person as a graduate student. If so, it will be interesting to see how he rates them. Is he particular about Africans or he is also including Black Americans and those black guys in the south pacific (around New Zealand)?
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Horus (m)
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Mr. Crick should past a IQ Test HIMSELF. 
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FSU
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Almondjoy,
Can I have some of your own less intelligent blood sample from which I can extract DNA, transform your DNA with some intelligence genes from some white folk, and then clone you with it via particle gun or electroporation? You are one of such specimen Mr Crick refers.
I have been in class with whites from MS through a structured PhD program and they were no different, in terms of intelligence.
Plus, how can someone puportedly so intelligent be falling for such cheap and obvious scams as 419?
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londoner
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Why are people equating standards of living and ACCESS to education with intelligence?
There is a difference between being intelligent and being educated.
Mora Zaria and almond joy, there is no need to look down on yourself and feel yourself below others just because you are African. Why do you see them as more intilligent than you? I'm sure you are just as smart, don't feel so badly about yourselves.
These are the same people who still can't understand how the foolish African built the pyramids of Egypt.
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FSU
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Does he mean native intelligence (like Ibo people own  ) or academic intelligence? 
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almondjoy (f)
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And why not? How do you measure intelligence when you cannot take care of yourself and environment? Is it only when you receive a "degree" you are intelligent? Let us start with the most basic form of intelligence---common sense. Blacks ain't gat it! So what definition are we using here?  Anyway Wikidoodle defines it--the same rules apply so do not bother to go searching. We just don't have it. And that is the verdict on the majority in this study. Look down on myself? Please save me the sentiments! As you can see, I have no self-esteem issues. Just accept the facts so you can do something about the doomed generations behind you. We have about 10 races to beat including animals and forestry! I love myself very much and do not have to diagree with the study to prove it! You take care of your own insecurities!
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mellow (m)
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Definitely not. 2 months ago I was in a course in in aberdeen with others from
16 countries in the world. after the exam, we had two 3 best students, Two of us
Nigerians and 1 other from Angola. We had americans, British, french e.t.c there.
Individuals have level of intellignce and not measured by race or continent.
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Siena
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For a start, be intelligent enough to ignore Watsons theory.
I couldn't really care less if Africans are more or less intelligent that the rest of the world, I have enough confidence and intelligence to take the rough with the smooth.
I'm not going to lose any sleep over Watsons theory, but Africans generally DO portray themselves as non-intelligent, a prime example is their inability to partake in debates, without insulting those whose views don't match theirs.
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londoner
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@ Almond Joy, are you an African? If you are, then why talk as if you are exempting yourself? If you are African or Black and you agree that Africans are inherently less intelligent than others and Blacks have no common sense, does this include yourself? Does it include all those Blacks/Africans you know?
If not, what may I ask excuses them from the aspersion of being inherently lacking in common sense?
Sometimes, the issue is not being able to be rational. I can honestly say that I have come across both intelligent and unintelligent people from Africa, Europe, North America, Asia etc. Some lacked common sense, but they were by no means correlative to race or nationality.
Almond joy, if you can't honestly say that every single African you know, heard of or have ever met lacked common sense (including yourself, if you are Black or African) then you disprove your own theory.
I accept that we all have a view, but when you talk of a whole group which you belong to in such absolute negative terms, you cast the same shadow over yourself.
There are people who lack common sense and intelligence of every kind in ALL races. If you are selective about aknowledging the attributes or impediments of an individual because of his race, then you will end up with a distorted view.
There is no way a person can have a healthy self esteem, if he/she sees themselves as racially inferior, in my opinion.
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almondjoy (f)
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I am not exempting myself. I am just trying to run away for the whole mess. I have already petitioned "God" to make me a tree or a mole next time I venture into this world. Definitely not as an African or anything with a drop of black blood in it. ABSOLUTELY not as a NIGERIAN for the devil's sake!  If you did not graduate from school based on some educational parole or academic probatiion, you would have found my reasons in my very first post. Thank you for your opinion too. Like I said, if you were bright in the slightest shade, you would have understood that a study is a general statement of facts based on a representative sample. Where did you go to school again? 
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almondjoy (f)
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Definitely not. 2 months ago I was in a course in in aberdeen with others from
16 countries in the world. after the exam, we had two 3 best students, Two of us
Nigerians and 1 other from Angola. We had americans, British, french e.t.c there.
Individuals have level of intellignce and not measured by race or continent.
Yet look at where you live and look at where they live! With all the high test scores what did you achieve with them?  Still part of a highly "pigmented" race intellectually! Mind you, this is a general Xteristic not an individual trait we are discussing here. Anyone can teleport a text book and reproduce it when needed to make a score or pass mark. It does not equate with intelligence.
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londoner
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I am not exempting myself. I am just trying to run away for the whole mess. I have already petitioned "God" to make me a tree or a mole next time I venture into this world. Definitely not as an African or anything with a drop of black blood in it. ABSOLUTELY not as a NIGERIAN for the devil's sake!  If you did not graduate from school based on some educational parole or academic probatiion, you would have found my reasons in my very first post. Thank you for your opinion too. Like I said, if you were bright in the slightest shade, you would have understood that a study is a general statement of facts based on a representative sample. Where did you go to school again?  Almond Joy, good manners goes a long way. I have noted your point of view, but I wont be joining you in petty insults, enjoy the rest of your day.
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almondjoy (f)
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For a start, be intelligent enough to ignore Watsons theory.
I couldn't really care less if Africans are more or less intelligent that the rest of the world, I have enough confidence and intelligence to take the rough with the smooth.
I'm not going to lose any sleep over Watsons theory, but Africans generally DO portray themselves as non-intelligent, a prime example is their inability to partake in debates, without insulting those whose views don't match theirs. Extremely dull and unmotivated. Most of them have a very flat affect personally, socially, intellectually and you name it. Very unchallanging! Nothing to offer the world at all!  Frankly if you ask me, I think we are taking up much needed space for plants and animals to function in this delicate ecosystem. What a waste! @Topic Now this is a 79 year old Nobel prize winner and a geneticist. Na Beans? Most here arguing have not even attempted JAMB and are looking for sympathy and soliciting unwarranted emotional garbage all to sound politically correct. Who cares about your feelings on Nairaland? Please take them somewhere else! Or go to the lab and manufacture your own theories and studies for the world to read!
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almondjoy (f)
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@ Almond Joy, are you an African? If you are, then why talk as if you are exempting yourself? If you are African or Black and you agree that Africans are inherently less intelligent than others and Blacks have no common sense, does this include yourself? Does it include all those Blacks/Africans you know?
If not, what may I ask excuses them from the aspersion of being inherently lacking in common sense?
Sometimes, the issue is not being able to be rational. I can honestly say that I have come across both intelligent and unintelligent people from Africa, Europe, North America, Asia etc. Some lacked common sense, but they were by no means correlative to race or nationality.
Almond joy, if you can't honestly say that every single African you know, heard of or have ever met lacked common sense (including yourself, if you are Black or African) then you disprove your own theory.
I accept that we all have a view, but when you talk of a whole group which you belong to in such absolute negative terms, you cast the same shadow over yourself.
There are people who lack common sense and intelligence of every kind in ALL races. If you are selective about aknowledging the attributes or impediments of an individual because of his race, then you will end up with a distorted view.
There is no way a person can have a healthy self esteem, if he/she sees themselves as racially inferior, in my opinion.
Talk about pissing on my leg and telling me it is raining! Trying to psycho-analyze me because my views are different from yours? Plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz! Like anyone cares! Almond Joy, good manners goes a long way. I have noted your point of view, but I wont be joining you in petty insults, enjoy the rest of your day.
My pleasure!
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londoner
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Talk about emotional, lol
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almondjoy (f)
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You better learn something from Siena's post! 
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londoner
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Almond joy, take three deep breaths, breathe in, then out, is that better dear?
Nothing wrong with having a different view, we all do, thats life. Debating views that people present here is the way this site works. Some people will agree, others wont, you should know that by now.
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almondjoy (f)
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Emotions have nothing to do with the price of rice in China or the price of oil in Saudi Arabia. Just the facts ma'am and we can deal with emotions later. I kind of like the Judge Judy approach to addressing matters. More facts, less emotions please.
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almondjoy (f)
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My respiratory rate and cardiac rhythm have returned to base line. Thanks for the breathing exercise. I am happy to let you know I do not have a fever so can we continue please? Almondjoy is in tip top form!
One reason why black people are categorizes as lacking INTEL is that they get too emotional and unnecessarily sensitive. For example, by stating my points without an iota of senile ambivalence does not make me emotional or worked up. You are not used to aggressive personalities so you see the world through your softies binoculars. Can't get very far with that type of attitude. So toughen up lady. That is why Africa is lagging behind. The world does not care about our "feelings". So please let us stick to the facts!
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almondjoy (f)
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And what does the black man tell you? Has not even cleared the thinking phase yet not to talk of infantile level of speaking! 
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redsun (m)
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I think intelligence is relative,precedence,orientation and the enviroment,of course,a child that is born into gadgets,electronics etc will naturally grow up to master them,it just like children this days with computer,they are far much better than adults on average,same goes with things like cleanliness and creativity in general.There is nothing intelligent about living in filth and mosquitos,there is nothing intelligent about driving on potholes road,stealing your country's money and taking it to your rivals,nothing intelligent about not having a good transportation system like rails and air,it takes virgin to run our national airline.So many evil that are been committed by the elders and the so-called ruling class that warrants any body to call us sub-humans.As at the time the Nubian pharoahs were in their glory,building pyramids,temples,mining,irrigations,water channels,beautiful streets and towns,europe was still in the dark age.Where did the black disconnect?the answers i think lies in the invasion of civilizations of like greek and roman,every conquering civilization destroys the one they conquer,this is the time for us to find it and revive our root.Whiteman's intlligence is more of a perverted one,they are the crudest creatures on earth,just to destroy others to live,that is not intelligence,it is savagery,in as much as we appreciate some of their innovations,but then any body can do that if you understand the formular which lies basically in nature,whiteman studied egyptian civilization and use it as a platform,while they gave us the bible.
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almondjoy (f)
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Bite me somebody! 
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