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Afam (m)
Re: Top Scientist Claims: Black People Are Stupid
« #96 on: October 19, 2007, 12:02 PM »

If the man has apologized then where does it leave the people that are busy abusing others for disagreeing with the man's position?

In my opinion, it makes them look really stupid and senseless.
almondjoy (f)
Re: Top Scientist Claims: Black People Are Stupid
« #97 on: October 19, 2007, 12:02 PM »

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Quote from: Uche2nna on Today at 04:29:46 AM
White people r so smart and that is why the divorce rate in America is so high

White people are so smart and that is why You have pedophiles all over the place


White people so smart and that is why u have students shooting up their own schools


They r so smart and that is why they are still stuck in Iraq

White people r so smart!!!!!



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OH MY GOOD GOD!---Who said we needed Dr. Watson afterall? Shocked  Are you for real Uche2nna? Embarrassed  You should have quit while ahead but too late now.  Hope you have enough warrrer in the River Zambezi to wash that one down! Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy






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You should have stopped when you said that he was entitled to his own opinion but no you had to continue. Divorce rate in africa is also high, you may not have seen the numbers reported but it is and it is on the rise too. Blacks and mexicans and asians and other races are included in the numbers you have for divorce in America. Yes, Nigerians also do get divorced, yes, so many africans in the white world have had at least one or two divorces to their names as well.


About pedophilia?? At least in the white world, there is some punishment attributed to the crime. Do you know how many kids in africa are being attacked daily and not a single person brought to book for it?? Don't let me start with the many kids I went to school with as a kid who got pregnant by some old dude or a cousin and the family had to hide it from the world?? Please do not even try that one.

Do you mean the shootings are better than the many cult clashes and the many hoodlums who go around stealing and killing on the streets of africa?? You do know about the child soldiers and all in africa??

You mean stuck in Iraq compared to still stuck in Chaos in the year 2007?? We are still not able to get our heads together and even head out to defend our own land from our own selves and you think we are any better?? We have internal turmoil that outsiders have to be called in over and over to help quench the fire in our own house that we can not deal with and you think we are any better??


You do not debate this one ,  you are to use action to prove him wrong in this. I am sorry but we have to be honest with ourselves, ignorance is not bliss.  






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Thank you oh Kobojunkie!  That was a wonderful reply to Uche2nna! If you think education is expensive, try ignorance!
Uche2nna (m)
Re: Top Scientist Claims: Black People Are Stupid
« #98 on: October 19, 2007, 12:07 PM »


How come U guys are reeling out Africa's problems like no man biziness. Africa has its own share of problems but it has nothing to do with being stupid or being less intelligent, nothing watsoever. Actually, it is the white guy who sits in the comfort of his apartment in front of his laptop and gets fooled by the idea that he has millions waiting for him once he makes a couple of payments that got the short end of the stick in terms of intelligence.

Like I said, Africa has its own share of problems because our leaders nay followers have misplaced priorities not because they are genetically wired to be dumb. Once again, that was Mr. Watson point and that is the point I am arguing. I am not arguing a case for Mugabe nor Obj. According to Watson all Blacks have down's syndrome, that is the  genetical syndrome closest to being stupid I can think of rite now.

The Asian continent had its own share of problems . At some point, China's main strenght now (which is population) was a huge disadvantage to them. Most of them were hungry and poverty stricken. At that time, no one thot of the term " the Asian tigers". Now it is a common word used in the economic community. Africans have their problems , huge one for that matter, but it has nothing to do with genetics. If we are so genetically dumb how is it that some students from this backward  system of shambolic education get into the more cutting edge research done in the west and still cope up. I am just wondering if the white scholars would have coped as well if the reverse was the case.
     Black people are not genetically wired to be dumb.
almondjoy (f)
Re: Top Scientist Claims: Black People Are Stupid
« #99 on: October 19, 2007, 12:08 PM »

Quote from: Afam on October 19, 2007, 12:02 PM
If the man has apologized then where does it leave the people that are busy abusing others for disagreeing with the man's position?

In my opinion, it makes them look really stupid and senseless.

I am sorry is not in the "black" man's dictionary.   We keep coming back to this Dr. Watson's study by our interactions on this topic.  We keep proving him right!  To a typical Nigerian, or African---any hot slapping truth that hits the face is an insult instead of a favor!  So let's just let that one go.   Insult is a term used subjectively and we cannot all agree on what constitutes an insult or not.  It is all about "feelings" and what hurts the ego.  Pity! You cannot apologise for what you feel is right.  Dr. Watson did not say he was sorry for his study but only stated his regrets about being "misquoted"!
almondjoy (f)
Re: Top Scientist Claims: Black People Are Stupid
« #100 on: October 19, 2007, 12:14 PM »

Quote from: Uche2nna on October 19, 2007, 12:07 PM
How come You guys are reeling out Africa's problems like no man biziness. Africa has its own share of problems but it has nothing to do with being stupid or being less intelligent, nothing watsoever. Actually, it is the white guy who sits in the comfort of his apartment in front of his laptop and gets fooled by the idea that he has millions waiting for him once he makes a couple of payments that got the short end of the stick in terms of intelligence.

Like I said, Africa has its own share of problems because our leaders nay followers have misplaced priorities not because they are genetically wired to be dumb. Once again, that was Mr. Watson point and that is the point I am arguing. I am not arguing a case for Mugabe nor Obj. According to Watson all Blacks have down's syndrome, that is the  genetical syndrome closest to being stupid I can think of rite now.

The Asian continent had its own share of problems . At some point, China's main strenght now (which is population) was a huge disadvantage to them. Most of them were hungry and poverty stricken. At that time, no one thot of the term " the Asian tigers". Now it is a common word used in the economic community. Africans have their problems , huge one for that matter, but it has nothing to do with genetics. If we are so genetically dumb how is it that some students from this backward  system of shambolic education get into the more cutting edge research done in the west and still cope up. I am just wondering if the white scholars would have coped as well if the reverse was the case.
     Black people are not genetically wired to be dumb.

Oh my God!  You are sinking deeper and deeper! 

Na so you be? Shocked------------------------ Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin

Let's just worry about our own problems first okay?  I am sure other races are taking care of theirs. No one said "blacks were genetically wired to be dumb".  We are saying that our environment is conditioning us to be dumb because of the "negative" factors we allow to take hold over us.  Please go back and read Tayo-D's and Texapette's posts and I hope you find them useful.  I think you have grossly misinterpreted this delicate subject and are fast heading towards the emotional quagmire exhibited by "rookie" and the likes of him! 

This not a topic of passion but one of reason and common sense!
Afam (m)
Re: Top Scientist Claims: Black People Are Stupid
« #101 on: October 19, 2007, 12:15 PM »

Quote from: almondjoy on October 19, 2007, 12:08 PM
I am sorry is not in the "black" man's dictionary.   We keep coming back to this Dr. Watson's study by our interactions on this topic.  We keep proving him right!  To a typical Nigerian, or African---any hot slapping truth that hits the face is an insult instead of a favor!  So let's just let that one go.   Insult is a term used subjectively and we cannot all agree on what constitutes an insult or not.  It is all about "feelings" and what hurts the ego.  Pity! You cannot apologise for what you feel is right.  Dr. Watson did not say he was sorry for his study but only stated his regrets about being "misquoted"!

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LONDON, England (CNN) -- Nobel laureate biologist Jim Watson apologized "unreservedly" Thursday for stating that black people were not as intelligent as whites, saying he was "mortified" by the comments attributed to him.

"I cannot understand how I could have said what I am quoted as having said," Watson said during an appearance at the Royal Society in London.

"I can certainly understand why people, reading those words, have reacted in the ways that they have."

"To all those who have drawn the inference from my words that Africa, as a continent, is somehow genetically inferior, I can only apologize unreservedly. That is not what I meant. More importantly from my point of view, there is no scientific basis for such a belief," he said.

Watson, 79, an American who won the 1962 Nobel prize for his role in the discovery of the double-helix structure of DNA, told the Sunday Times he was "inherently gloomy about the prospect of Africa" because "all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours, whereas all the testing says not really."

Watson also asserted there was no reason to believe different races separated by geography should have evolved identically, and he said that while he hoped everyone was equal, "people who have to deal with black employees find this is not true."

His comments were met with an avalanche of criticism, and London's Science Museum canceled Watson's planned Friday appearance, saying his remarks had "gone beyond the point of acceptable debate."

The British government's skills minister, David Lammy, who is black, called the comments "deeply offensive."

"It is a shame that a man with a record of scientific distinction should see his work overshadowed by his own irrational prejudices," Lammy said.

Watson's remarks to the Sunday Times were the latest in a number of controversial comments from the eminent biologist.
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Uche2nna (m)
Re: Top Scientist Claims: Black People Are Stupid
« #102 on: October 19, 2007, 12:19 PM »

@ almond
The man was not shooting off his mouth based on any studies. He did not quote any studies to back his claim. Matter of fact, his only defense was black employees and Africa's economical problem. How does this relate to genetics? Where is the connection? That is what I am pissed about.

How can u deduce a scientific fact from a social  (attitude of black employees) and an economical issue?


However, he did because he hypothesized based on these two stand point that a gene that codes for intelligence will be out within a decade.

How can U get a hypothesis from 2 non scientific facts?? Undecided
Uche2nna (m)
Re: Top Scientist Claims: Black People Are Stupid
« #103 on: October 19, 2007, 12:24 PM »

@ almond

Y should I read Tayo D et al post. I am not reacting to their statements. I am reacting to Mr Watson. U are saying that the environment is making us not achieve our potentials which I agree with. But is that Mr Watson' s point? Please, go back and read his interview.
almondjoy (f)
Re: Top Scientist Claims: Black People Are Stupid
« #104 on: October 19, 2007, 12:24 PM »

Quote from: Afam on October 19, 2007, 12:15 PM
The content in bold and in red refers, please see below

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LONDON, England (CNN) -- Nobel laureate biologist Jim Watson apologized "unreservedly" Thursday for stating that black people were not as intelligent as whites, saying he was "mortified" by the comments attributed to him.

"I cannot understand how I could have said what I am quoted as having said," Watson said during an appearance at the Royal Society in London.

"I can certainly understand why people, reading those words, have reacted in the ways that they have."


"To all those who have drawn the inference from my words that Africa, as a continent, is somehow genetically inferior, I can only apologize unreservedly. That is not what I meant. More importantly from my point of view, there is no scientific basis for such a belief," he said.

Watson, 79, an American who won the 1962 Nobel prize for his role in the discovery of the double-helix structure of DNA, told the Sunday Times he was "inherently gloomy about the prospect of Africa" because "all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours, whereas all the testing says not really."

Watson also asserted there was no reason to believe different races separated by geography should have evolved identically, and he said that while he hoped everyone was equal, "people who have to deal with black employees find this is not true."


His comments were met with an avalanche of criticism, and London's Science Museum canceled Watson's planned Friday appearance, saying his remarks had "gone beyond the point of acceptable debate."

The British government's skills minister, David Lammy, who is black, called the comments "deeply offensive."

"It is a shame that a man with a record of scientific distinction should see his work overshadowed by his own irrational prejudices," Lammy said.

Watson's remarks to the Sunday Times were the latest in a number of controversial comments from the eminent biologist.
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Do you understand when someone urinates on your leg and tells you it is raining? Grin  What will he say?  And you buy that?  

Look, back to what I said before.  I do not need the likes of Dr. Watson to tell me who and what I am.  I stare at the mirror everyday and look around me and can easily draw my own conclusion.  Dr. Watson is operating on the level of "Damage control" for those whose feelings have been hurt by his "scientific research".  I am not that easily fooled!    The man has said what the heck he wants to say and he cannot take it back no matter all the apologies in this world.  It is called the DON IMUS slip of tongue!  We all know what is going on in his mind and the minds of many like him so who is he trying to fool?  Not me! Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin  For simple minds, this could work.  But I am not forgetting it because his words ring true not because he is a racist according to some here!
almondjoy (f)
Re: Top Scientist Claims: Black People Are Stupid
« #105 on: October 19, 2007, 12:33 PM »

Quote from: Uche2nna on October 19, 2007, 12:24 PM
@ almond

Y should I read Tayo D et al post. I am not reacting to their statements. I am reacting to Mr Watson. You are saying that the environment is making us not achieve our potentials which I agree with. But is that Mr Watson' s point? Please, go back and read his interview.

Well, I have to understand it from different view points not just a one-sided angle!  It is not an emotional issue so I might not like what I read but I have to examine it just to see if it has any merit. If you do not see all sides of the matter how can you make an informed conclusion on any matter?  I read all posts and if I find something of interest that might just shed more light on a subject why not give it a chance?  You should comment on matters of logic too.  Emotions can only get one so far if at all an inch!

I read his interview and my reaction is one of indifference.  He is not telling me anything new.  Is this the first time you have been confronted with such an idea?  Everyday of my life I am confronted with ideas to survive and keep head above water and you are here lamenting over what just one man is exercising his right to do---express himself?  Look, this is a joke.  The real deal stares us in the face everyday.  Hint----Nigeria at 47 years old.  Nothing to show for it.  Get a grip please, you are losing focus!  We have a dying generation of blacks and you are worrying about Dr. Watson who is one foot in the grave and from a priviledged caucasian race who has not issues but enjoy his Nobel Prize? Grin  Please be serious! Cheesy
Afam (m)
Re: Top Scientist Claims: Black People Are Stupid
« #106 on: October 19, 2007, 12:39 PM »

@almondjoy,

My dear, no scientific study supports such nonsense.

I have worked with Americans and Britons before in the oil and gas. It is common to see the average white man look down on Nigerians (maybe blacks in general) and in most cases Nigerians that are not too sure of themselves are to blame. That doesn't make the Nigerian less intelligent.

Nigerians have broken academic records in the Western world from UK to US so what are we talking about?

I have written exams set by whites and I know how easy the exams are compared to our own system where we are made to invoke formulas before solving a maths question.

His comment is wrong and has been consistent, his apologies not withstanding.

Enjoy the weekend and stop believing that blacks are less intelligent than whites. Not having access to better infrastructure isn't the same thing as being inferior intelligent wise.
Uche2nna (m)
Re: Top Scientist Claims: Black People Are Stupid
« #107 on: October 19, 2007, 12:40 PM »

Anyway, that was Mr Watson's opinion. And U are rite, no matter how much "Kpele" he says now we know what is going on in his mind.

And I also have my own opinion of him.


Abeg, make I go read ma book before my PI begin think like Watson, or at least says it
Kobojunkie
Re: Top Scientist Claims: Black People Are Stupid
« #108 on: October 19, 2007, 12:40 PM »

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He writes that “there is no firm reason to anticipate that the intellectual capacities of peoples geographically separated in their evolution should prove to have evolved identically.
While I understand the repulsion of the average black man to Professor Watson's statement, I still don't think the statement is enough to call him a racist. I know studies have been carried out before on "intelligence and sex", and the people who carried out the research are no more sexist than I believe the Professor is racist.

His main argument is highlighted above. You can't expect people who grow up under different circumstances to turn out with the same intelligence. This I believe is logical. You can't expect a child born and raised in the present day Sudan to operate at the same level intellectually to one born and raised in Naija. Africans have generally been raised in a more repressive environment than the Europeans so I believe its logical not to expect the same level of intelligence.

At the same time, we know race has been linked to health and especially resistance or easy susceptibility to some diseases. So why should the study end there? Why can't more questions be asked? What if it is now proven that Africans have a higher intellectual capacity than Whites? Would that result satisfy us? Just a thought!


Thank you for that @Tayo
kulaShaker (f)
Re: Top Scientist Claims: Black People Are Stupid
« #109 on: October 19, 2007, 12:40 PM »

HAHAHA
trust Nairalanders to misquote people, that was not the claim at all, geez learn to read people Sad
Kobojunkie
Re: Top Scientist Claims: Black People Are Stupid
« #110 on: October 19, 2007, 12:42 PM »

HE apologizeD???  Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy So, let me get this straight. The Man basically came out and said what so many people out there were not bold enough to say. We castrate him for being the honest one instead of actually taking what he said with a grain of sand and then setting out to prove him wrong?? Now he apologized and we are all calm now that he did ??

Grin Cheesy Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin ALL HAIL THE "BLACK MAN" LOLOLOLOLOL


What are we going to take away from this?? NOTHING Huh saying it is just his opinion and not deal with the issues we have once and for all so that 10 years from now no one else will come up with same again and even have like 100 more people backing him ??

Kobojunkie
Re: Top Scientist Claims: Black People Are Stupid
« #111 on: October 19, 2007, 01:51 PM »

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Even Asians have come to associate Africa with kwashiokor, war, famine, children with big bellies and flies around their mouth.

I felt ashamed when a genetics professor used it as an example today. But did i really have a choice? Afterall he was right.


I have a choice. I have a choice to bring to his notice all the slave trade and apartheid that was perpetrated by his own "kind". That does not sound to me like the actions of super intelligent beings
 
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Only thing that comes to a sleeping man is dreams ----2pac



Slavery and Slave trade still exists today in Africa. The Slave Trade in africa did not start with the whites. Infact, it was a black dominated business in Africa for centuries before America came in the picture and remained so even to this day  Grin


NO NEED TO HATE ON ME FOR POINTING OUT THE FACTS. I PREFER WE ARGUE WITH FACTS AND NOT IN BIAS MODE
dudu-bobo
Re: Top Sicentist Claims - Black People Are Stupid
« #112 on: October 19, 2007, 01:53 PM »

What's the arugument about?
The junkie admits he is a less intelligent being.


Davidyland probably agrees with Dr Watson too
Germannig
Re: Top Scientist Claims: Black People Are Stupid
« #113 on: October 19, 2007, 01:58 PM »

Almondjoy and others so inclined,

Mr. Watson has not carried out any scientific study to back his claim (now he is reported to have denied saying exactly what the press carried). So there is no scientific sense in what he said, if he actually said so. That is why he was stopped from giving a seminar in London yesterday. In this field, which is very ethical and emotive, you really have to show solid proof based on DNA analysis. He has not done any of that. So please rest this case.

Anyone who has been in a class with whites will know that intelligence is most likely an individual thing, not based on color. I believe some blacks are more intelligent than other blacks, ditto for whites.

Come to think of it, is anyone really black or white?
Kobojunkie
Re: Top Sicentist Claims - Black People Are Stupid
« #114 on: October 19, 2007, 02:29 PM »

Quote from: Uche2nna on October 19, 2007, 12:07 PM
How come You guys are reeling out Africa's problems like no man biziness. Africa has its own share of problems but it has nothing to do with being stupid or being less intelligent, nothing watsoever. Actually, it is the white guy who sits in the comfort of his apartment in front of his laptop and gets fooled by the idea that he has millions waiting for him once he makes a couple of payments that got the short end of the stick in terms of intelligence.

Here is the way I see it. Why did the man decide to look to genes for the answer to the problem in Africa??Maybe cause so far, the world has not been able to figure out what is going on down there and why even after pumping over 1.5 trillion dollars into the continent ( AIDS ), things do not seem to be getting better. He is a scientist. Yes, he has his issues as a human being but if you were to think as a scientist would, you would kind of understand why he would jump to such a conclusion in his thinking. And by the way, it is not just that he came up with his ideas out of thin air. We have, if you have not noticed, given the world, evidence to support such insulting allutions over and over by the way we have continued to handle things as a people. Why now go off on him for being honest with us?? Is it ok for us to have problems and continue to watch as it gets worse but not ok for persons to express their opinion when it comes to what they see happening with us??
  
This reminds me of a case I had as a kid. This one dude used to go out and steal, when he came home, people would tell his mum her son was a thief. Immediately the woman would go in a rage shouting and screaming that her son may have problems but he was no more a theif than the other children in the area. People tried to be honest with her and she would go into the same rage each time screaming that all her neighbours were hateful people and did not have anything good in mind for her and her kids. Long story short, the boy went stealing, got arrested in his teens and ended up spending so many years in prison cause of his ways. The mother died from all the stress caused her by this boy whom she somehow convinced herself earlier in his life that he was ok and was just like the other kids.



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Like I said, Africa has its own share of problems because our leaders nay followers have misplaced priorities not because they are genetically wired to be dumb. Once again, that was Mr. Watson point and that is the point I am arguing. I am not arguing a case for Mugabe nor Obj. According to Watson all Blacks have down's syndrome, that is the  genetical syndrome closest to being stupid I can think of rite now.

I believe the one mistake you make here is to attribute africas problem to it's Leaders. The problem in Africa is not just limited to it's leaders. Case and point, Nigeria. We as a people have the power to do for self but we are yet to get ourselves to the point were we step out of self to act.


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The Asian continent had its own share of problems . At some point, China's main strenght now (which is population) was a huge disadvantage to them. Most of them were hungry and poverty stricken. At that time, no one thot of the term " the Asian tigers". Now it is a common word used in the economic community. Africans have their problems , huge one for that matter, but it has nothing to do with genetics. If we are so genetically dumb how is it that some students from this backward  system of shambolic education get into the more cutting edge research done in the west and still cope up. I am just wondering if the white scholars would have coped as well if the reverse was the case.
     Black people are not genetically wired to be dumb.

yes, the world has it's share of problems but that is no EXCUSE FOR US to keep throwing that line about everytime we are called to think or work to make life better for ourselves. China's problem still remains it's population. Only about 30 million chinese people are actually doing ok. over 750 million chinese are still living very poor.

Like I tried to explain earlier, please read what the Watson dude stated earlier. He said there could be a genetic link to what we see happening in Africa. I ask that you set your emotions to the side in this and actually see how this is more of a challenge than it is the man insulting africa ( as if we have not HEARD THIS ONE BEFORE).
  
Kobojunkie
Re: Top Scientist Claims: Black People Are Stupid
« #115 on: October 19, 2007, 02:32 PM »

Quote from: dudu-bobo on October 19, 2007, 01:53 PM
What's the arugument about?
The junkie admits he is a less intelligent being.


Davidyland probably agrees with Dr Watson too

This is my first with you,  Are you saying that I should just accept that you are here for AdHominems and nothing more??
Kobojunkie
Re: Top Scientist Claims: Black People Are Stupid
« #116 on: October 19, 2007, 02:49 PM »

Quote from: Germannig on October 19, 2007, 01:58 PM
Almondjoy and others so inclined,

Mr. Watson has not carried out any scientific study to back his claim (now he is reported to have denied saying exactly what the press carried). So there is no scientific sense in what he said, if he actually said so. That is why he was stopped from giving a seminar in London yesterday. In this field, which is very ethical and emotive, you really have to show solid proof based on DNA analysis. He has not done any of that. So please rest this case.

Anyone who has been in a class with whites will know that intelligence is most likely an individual thing, not based on color. I believe some blacks are more intelligent than other blacks, ditto for whites.

Come to think of it, is anyone really black or white?


Here is the situation.  The man threw out a hypothesis sort of  and said that in 10 years, that we might discover the gene linked to intelligence and BOOM!!!! People Jumped to EMOTIONAL MODE and instead of considering what exactly was inferred, made it another race issue. In the end, the man basically apologized and somehow that is supposed to quiet the discussion. God forbid 10 years from now, as the man said, scientists actually find a gene linked to intelligence and then what ??
beneli (m)
Re: Top Scientist Claims: Black People Are Stupid
« #117 on: October 19, 2007, 03:27 PM »

@ Almondjoy and his likes:

Almondjoy or whatever it is he calls himself is always making reference to looking at himself in the mirror. And based on that self-image concludes that his kind is inferior.

Self-awareness is a great liberator. And I am happy for Almondjoy for coming to that self-awareness of his own inferiority. Well-done. But when you look at the mirror who you see is yourself. Not the millions of other Africans and people of African-descent who populate this planet. You see yourself: an inferior creation, a creature who is less than the "white man".

When i look in the mirror, what I see is a lot different.

So my friend, Almondjoy, speak for yourself. But while you grapple with your identity crises, I want you to know that not all of us are antagonistic towards you. You see some, like me, sympathise with you, hoping that one day you and those like you who have been filled with so much self-loathing will be illuminated with enough wisdom that is sufficient to drive away the dark clouds of your stupidity.
Uche2nna (m)
Re: Top Scientist Claims: Black People Are Stupid
« #118 on: October 19, 2007, 04:50 PM »

@ Kobojunkie


Maybe U conveniently overlooked the followers part from post. It was there in black and white ------- leaders nay followers-----------


Quote from: Kobojunkie on October 19, 2007, 02:49 PM

Here is the situation. The man threw out a hypothesis sort of and said that in 10 years, that we might discover the gene linked to intelligence and BOOM!!!! People Jumped to EMOTIONAL MODE and instead of considering what exactly was inferred, made it another race issue. In the end, the man basically apologized and somehow that is supposed to quiet the discussion. God forbid 10 years from now, as the man said, scientists actually find a gene linked to intelligence and then what ??
U don't just  throw out hypothesis like that. He was part of the ELSI group (Ethical , legal and social bla bla bla) when the human genome was sequenced. So he should know better. The least he could have done is to wait until he has genetic evidence before he goes off .

God forbid what?Huh So U actually believe that if and when the gene for intelligence is mapped, the gene will be found missing in black people Shocked Is that  why U are asking God to forbid??? My esteem is not that low. The blacks have the gene if it exists.
kulaShaker (f)
Re: Top Scientist Claims: Black People Are Stupid
« #119 on: October 19, 2007, 05:10 PM »

going by the responses anyone with the ideas expressed in the tittle of this thread could have been so rright about black people after all Cry
Kobojunkie
Re: Top Scientist Claims: Black People Are Stupid
« #120 on: October 19, 2007, 05:42 PM »

Quote from: Uche2nna on October 19, 2007, 04:50 PM
@ Kobojunkie


Maybe You conveniently overlooked the followers part from post. It was there in black and white ------- leaders nay followers-----------

 You don't just throw out hypothesis like that. He was part of the ELSI group (Ethical , legal and social bla bla bla) when the human genome was sequenced. So he should know better. The least he could have done is to wait until he has genetic evidence before he goes off .

God forbid what?Huh So You actually believe that if and when the gene for intelligence is mapped, the gene will be found missing in black people Shocked Is that why You are asking God to forbid??? My esteem is not that low. The blacks have the gene if it exists.

Actually, Yes you do @Uchenna,  You can throw out hypothesis that way. Remember Galileo?? The Wright Brothers?? They did cause they believed what it is they said and only later did we realize what they said was true. No need to change the rule now so as not to hurt a couple of sensitive people who can not look past their feelings when dealing with logic.
  
As for your post as to what I believe, No WHERE IN MY POSTS HAVE I SAID SO FAR THAT THERE IS A GENE THAT CODES FOR HUMAN INTELLIGENCE AND I BELIEVE IT IS MISSING IN BLACKS. I Do not have low self esteem that is why I am not bothered at all when people like Dawson express his opinion of people or even Africans. It is his opinion, does it matter to me and my view of self?? NO, hence the reason why I do not feel the urge to react to it as many have in here by calling him names and claiming he is being racist or what not. It is one thing to SAY you have no low self ESTEEM but ACTION SPEAKS LOUDER THAN WORDS in my opinion and I have seen the way people have gone on to put this one themselves and felt a HUGE NEED to defend themselves from this. What do I think of what DaWson Said?? If you really read what he said, he makes a case, a stinging one to some it seems, but a case. How then do we show that his case is valid or invalid?? By SHOUTING THAT HE IS WRONG OR Forcing him to APOLOGIZE cause we are BELIEVE his Words mean so much to us as is?? OR By going out there and SHOWING HIM That HE IS WRONG /RIGHT by Our own Actions??? We Decide,  Same thing I have been saying all this while.
Nihil-ce-M
Re: Top Scientist Claims: Black People Are Stupid
« #121 on: October 19, 2007, 05:53 PM »

This scientist is right and the first poster has just proved it

Saying that black people are less intelligent doesn't imply they are stupid.

Stop trying to play the victim part and accept the fact that the old dying man is right.

MORONS!
almondjoy (f)
Re: Top Scientist Claims: Black People Are Stupid
« #122 on: October 19, 2007, 06:14 PM »

Quote from: Germannig on October 19, 2007, 01:58 PM
Almondjoy and others so inclined,

Mr. Watson has not carried out any scientific study to back his claim (now he is reported to have denied saying exactly what the press carried). So there is no scientific sense in what he said, if he actually said so. That is why he was stopped from giving a seminar in London yesterday. In this field, which is very ethical and emotive, you really have to show solid proof based on DNA analysis. He has not done any of that. So please rest this case.

Anyone who has been in a class with whites will know that intelligence is most likely an individual thing, not based on color. I believe some blacks are more intelligent than other blacks, ditto for whites.

Come to think of it, is anyone really black or white?


Yes oh!  I have rested the case.  Nothing more to say!


Quote from: beneli on October 19, 2007, 03:27 PM
@ Almondjoy and his likes:

Almondjoy or whatever it is he calls himself is always making reference to looking at himself in the mirror. And based on that self-image concludes that his kind is inferior.
Self-awareness is a great liberator. And I am happy for Almondjoy for coming to that self-awareness of his own inferiority. Well-done. But when you look at the mirror who you see is yourself. Not the millions of other Africans and people of African-descent who populate this planet. You see yourself: an inferior creation, a creature who is less than the "white man".

When i look in the mirror, what I see is a lot different.

So my friend, Almondjoy, speak for yourself. But while you grapple with your identity crises, I want you to know that not all of us are antagonistic towards you. You see some, like me, sympathise with you, hoping that one day you and those like you who have been filled with so much self-loathing will be illuminated with enough wisdom that is sufficient to drive away the dark clouds of your stupidity.


Thank you oh! Cry

De ja vu? Shocked   Think I am about to land on ma rim!--- Takin' off with full speed!   For whom the bell tolls, just take off!  I think I just heard one too many bells here and it is definitely time to head on out through the back "doe"  Have a splendid weekend y'all----------------- Kiss
I-man (m)
Re: Top Scientist Claims: Black People Are Stupid
« #123 on: October 20, 2007, 02:21 AM »

@almondjoy,Uche2Nna,Afam

Why all of una come leave my thread dey post here?You see what Dr Watson was talking about?  Grin  Grin Grin Una for post for my thread,you know say Seun dey pay good money .

http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-86564.0.html
Kobojunkie
Re: Top Scientist Claims: Black People Are Stupid
« #124 on: October 21, 2007, 01:28 AM »

Quote from: Nihil-ce-M on October 19, 2007, 05:53 PM
This scientist is right and the first poster has just proved it

Saying that black people are [b]less intelligent doesn't imply they are stupid.[/b]

Stop trying to play the victim part and accept the fact that the old dying man is right.

MORONS!


THANKS YOU @NIHIL_CE ,  Thank you!!!
kulaShaker (f)
Re: Top Scientist Claims: Black People Are Stupid
« #125 on: October 21, 2007, 01:33 AM »

lmaooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
naija_diva (f)
Re: Top Scientist Claims: Black People Are Stupid
« #126 on: October 21, 2007, 02:02 AM »

sometimes i am happy when black people say they ain't african because i believe that africans are smarter than them and if given the right tools, they will suceed. but black people in america always trying to be the victim, the whole black movement is over and they should get over it. they always accusing the white person for their misfortune or the neighborhood they live in. if you can't get out of the hood, then pick up a book and read. they need to stop trying to impress the wrong people who ain't going to give them jack.
naija_diva (f)
Re: Top Scientist Claims: Black People Are Stupid
« #127 on: October 21, 2007, 02:05 AM »

Quote from: Nihil-ce-M on October 19, 2007, 05:53 PM
This scientist is right and the first poster has just proved it

Saying that black people are less intelligent doesn't imply they are stupid.

Stop trying to play the victim part and accept the fact that the old dying man is right.

MORONS!

the whole victim thing is getting old and black people need to move on.
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