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allonym
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There is more evidence to the argument that God created hell.
According to the bible, God created all things and through him, all things which exist were made. If thats not enough for you. . . I don't know what is, but lets go on.
According to the bible, God cast satan out of heaven into hell. This implies that hell already existed. Since before satan's rebellion, there were no other beings to cast into hell or angels to create hell as a dwelling place, God MUST have created hell beforehand.
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DaHitler (m)
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allonym, thanks for keeping up the good fight. These people are sell-outs. In their hopes of getting "Heaven" they shamelessly worshipped the gods of the Aryans and Arabs. It would not be an under statement to refer to their actions as prostitution.
I am not in any way implying that the traditional gods are right. I am merely saying that all possible indications from sturdying various groups of people point to the fact that religous is only a means to answer questions that we all have. Sadly, regardless of how many people you get to believe a lie, it will still never be true.
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xkape (m)
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There is more evidence to the argument that God created hell.
According to the bible, God created all things and through him, all things which exist were made. If thats not enough for you. . . I don't know what is, but lets go on.
According to the bible, God cast satan out of heaven into hell. This implies that hell already existed. Since before satan's rebellion, there were no other beings to cast into hell or angels to create hell as a dwelling place, God MUST have created hell beforehand.
This is completely untrue, read ur bible before making spurious statements. God cast satan down to EARTH, not hell |
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Logical (m)
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allonym, thanks for keeping up the good fight. These people are sell-outs. In their hopes of getting "Heaven" they shamelessly worshipped the gods of the Aryans and Arabs. It would not be an under statement to refer to their actions as prostitution.
Maybe your might want to explain the reason why you claim what they worship are just gods of a particular race, but come to think of it, God is a diety? A creator of the Aryans and Arabs if I am allowed to say right? What is wrong with worshipping the creator of Aryans and Arabs that also happens to be the creator of humanity? Can you please explain? And please don't go on saying "The bible say this, the bible said that, ", I want you to reason for yourself and give answers to what you have said, because the bible didnt say the creator of Aryans and Arabs can't be worshipped? Am I missing something? |
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TayoD (m)
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xkape,
I am quite impressed by your introduction to this topic. It is quite enlightening and I'm sure a lot of Christians have no clue about the civilization that existed here on earth before Adam came into the picture. I believe you probably didn't go in-depth for want of space and probably due to lack of relevance to the topic at hand.
That been said, I think there are some things that need to be clarified. While i can't tell you when hell was created, the Bible at least indicate that it is located in the ground. Aside from this, there are 3 compartments altogether that the Bible mentions are in the ground Ephesians 4:9. Two of those are mentioned in the story of Lazarus. Hell or Hades is where the rich young ruler found himself while Lazarus found himself in the bossom of Abraham. I don't believe Lazarus found himself in Abraham's Bossom because he was a direct lineage of Abraham, rather it was because he was also a man of faith. Remember that Abraham is called the father of faith. Hades/Hell from this story is a place of torment and Abraham's bossom is a place of rest.
The third compartment will be found in the Book of Jude and the Bible called it Tatarus. This is the place where all the disobedient angels are being held. These angels were locked up "in chains of darkness" after the flood of Noah because they tried to pollute the human race.
As for Abraham's Bossom, it is no longer populated because Jesus took all the occupants with him to heaven during his ascension. This is what the Bible refers to in the Book of Ephesians 4:8 as "He led captivity captive." You will also remember that when Jesus was risen, people saw a number of this old testament saints in and around Jerusalem. Jesus took them with Him on His triumphant entry into heaven.
obviously, there's a lot to talk about. but I'll give more gist later.
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xkape (m)
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@ Tayo D
Thanx. I believe most of ur comments are spot on, especially those about the various compartments of what we know as hell. About the civilizations before adam, i have heard just little gist about it. I havent been able to determine from the bible for myself one way or another so i would be glad to see what u have to say about it.
cheers.
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TayoD (m)
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xkape,
I'll try and give you the gist by weekend. I'm a little busy now. As a starter, you can read Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28. You will find some things there to help.
Cheers.
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Seun (m)
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xkape, it's funny how I missed this thread completely. The crux of your argument is that there are certain laws of existence that are greater than God, right? That there are certain laws of nature that God cannot break? Right?
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macalurs (m)
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I've asked and asked. I shall ask once more.
God knew that adam would eat the fruit in the garden of eden, why then put it there, right in the middle, when he created and wove their minds to think the way they did, gave 'em 3yr old minds made them as guilable, does it mean man was not predictable enough as mentally backward as they were?, sounds more like God wanted man to fall~
Man makes choices based on his predispositions, genetic encodings and imprints from his environment. There is no such thing as "free-will", man is a vacuum without his environment. There is no free-will in a vacuum.
It makes no sense when an ardent muslim converts to christianity or any other religion for that matter. Belief is belief, faith if u will. It has nothing to do with accuracy or coherence of facts presented to one by a certain religion. It has all to do with those pieces of information which is drummed into ones head the hardest, regardless of how absurd and moronic it is. Check-out Nazi teachings. Someone is like "I would never do any such to my fellow human being " uuum, yes you would, given the same circumstances as they as have research proven; what does that tell u about men and their "choices"?
~ and then God turns around and say man sinned against Him? Isn't that sadistic? or is there a game somewhere?
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KDK (m)
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@ allonym,
I see your point.
@hot coco,
you better give your life to christ before you realise the truth that this earth is no hell.
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Seun (m)
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Assuming that God is powerless to prevent hell from becoming a place of torment for human beings, he must at least have known what would happen before it happened. If so, then he shouldn't have created hell or Satan.
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olabowale (m)
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Those who think that Hell is on this earth, please tell us the location. infact show it to us, its physical location; is it in the European, African, South American, Asian, the American , Australia or other continent. Where really?
Those who think that they are presently in hell, right now because of their financial, social, emotional or other factor, when they see Hell as the place of abode for disbelievers of the Oneness of The Lord of all creations, they will wish to go back to live that miserable life that they had lived on this earth. But it will be too late!
Hell is already created, just like paradise is. God is all powerful, in control of everything on earth, in heavens and in between and beyond our understanding. For those who limit the power of God, this simply amount to disbelief.
The life in this world is a test; to discriminate between the obedient and the disobedient. Are you trying to be obedient or are you knowingly or ignorantly disobedient? It is our duty to find the right guidance. You do that by not associating anything with God, because is One, not two, three or more. There is God and nothing is accident of occurence or happens by chance. Do you notice the impeccable order of all things?
No one had eyes on the knees, nor the heard sitting outside the skin on the arm. No one has fingers on top of the scalp! Adam and his wife are already forgiven by their Lord. This is the way God has taught mankind the process to seek forgiveness from Him. God will forgive all sins, except disbelief; associating anything with him or claiming that He does not exist.
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allonym
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Assuming that God is powerless to prevent hell from becoming a place of torment for human beings, he must at least have known what would happen before it happened. If so, then he shouldn't have created hell or Satan.
Ok - let me clear up a few things. #1. Foremost in God's plan for humanity is free will. Without that, nothing else that God did would remotely make sense to us. #2. Hell exists currently as the dwelling place of Satan and his demons. Currently no human beings are there - they only go there at the return of Christ. #3. The torment that people go through in hell is not of being BURNED - the bible does NOT say this at all. The torment people go through is because they are separated from God. The bible repeatedly states that being apart from God is the worst thing that can happen to a person. #4. So, because we have free will, we must be able to choose between God. . . and not God. If God did not have an alternative, then we couldn't exercise free will, because there would be no other choice. This is what the bible says about the lake of fire (which people erroneously assume means burning torment for eternity) Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
As you can see, being cast into the lake is death. A second (and final) death. It is not forever. I'm sure if more people take time to read Revelations, they'll quickly see that the bible only mentions three people for torment: Satan, his beast, and his anti-christ. Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. |
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macalurs (m)
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"No one had eyes on the knees, nor the heard sitting outside the skin on the arm. No one has fingers on top of the scalp! Adam and his wife are already forgiven by their Lord. This is the way God has taught mankind the process to seek forgiveness from Him. God will forgive all sins, except disbelief; associating anything with him or claiming that He does not exist."
@wale-olabo
ur argument here is invalid. if God is omini-everything, incomprehendable like u believe, then u're not permitted to know anything about him or his existence. "No one had eyes on the knees, nor the heard sitting outside the skin on the arm, " and u call that order? I'm getting just a little confused, just a little bt
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ijele (m)
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Hello all yo ma hommies,Am back from the dungeon, so what's been happening since I left da house?
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xkape (m)
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@seun
Yes
God cannot break HIS OWN laws. It only makes sense.
The bible explicitly says it is impossible for God to lie. That is one example
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macalurs (m)
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 I don't know about that @seun
Yes
God cannot break HIS OWN laws. It only makes sense.
The bible explicitly says it is impossible for God to lie. That is one example
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KDK (m)
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@ SEUN, Why do you have so much hatred against God?  When I read some of your posts I see elements of Cognitive dissonance. You can prove me otherwise. |
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tokumbor
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Mr allonym check the meaning of FREEWILL as nicetohave said.
it was given to Adam by love. once again please check the meaning of freewill.
it will give you some insight.
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tokumbor
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Mr allonym check the meaning of FREEWILL as nicetohave said.
it was given to Adam by love. once again please check the meaning of freewill.
it will give you some insight.
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syrup (f)
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Just visited there and left a short note to keep it in mind.  |
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Cabeca
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As I read this post, and see that it has been for a long time, I figure you, guys are interested in hell and its origin. I see that allonim presented a good battle and no with out understanding GOD is Omnipotent (Gen 17:1 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.) We can conclude from that "GOD knows everything even before it happen" He took counsel even before He created man, "And God said, Let us make man, " (Gen 1:26) and by that HE took responsibility of his creatures, giving the sacrifice before the foundation of the earth. (Rev 13:  even more, the names of the ones that were call to be save existed before the foundation of the earth (Rev 17: ", whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world," SO Did GOD Created Hell as a direct act of creation "NO" Did GOD knew hell will be a consequences of sin and dead? YES. GOD is not the author of sin, just as he is not the author of darkness, but he is the creator of light and HE, by consequence of light knew darkness will take place. SO directly and indirectly He is creator of everything. did GOD knew that man will sin and for that reason be entitle to hell, "YES" even before man was created. Nothing has surprise GOD, so to say that GOD did not indented something but it did happen just as ALLONIM said before "it is call blasphemy". This morning GOD wake up, and the world it is exactly as he planned, exactly as he saw fit since before the beginning of time. Read Mathew 24. But just as GOD created the just for his own pleasure "The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil. (Pro 16:4)" ALLONIM, GOD is not trying to convince you that HE is GOOD, HE IS GOOD, HE is not running for GOD and expecting you to approve him o vote for him. HE IS GOD "Be still, and know that I am God:" (Psa 46:10) He created you and gave you all those abilities that you have so you have a glimpse of his majesty, no the creation, which is beautiful, but within your self. Many believe that because of "FREE WILL" they choose GOD, they are crazy, they were not free, neither they choose GOD, "And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; (Eph 2:1) A spiritual dead person can not and will not choose GOD, because the so mentioned FREE WILL of ADAN was loose to sin and since then in sin had every one been conceive, and so slave to. GOD is not trying desperate to save people and being frustrated by them because of sin. you were right when you said "GOD do what HE wants to do" and for you to understand that is a great revelation. GOD is GOD either you accepted or not, I know that for many sound unjust that GOD will save some and let other to their own "FREE WILL" which belong to the devil and for that reason will reunite to him at the end. GOD has reveled to you some, which many "Christians" will not believe or understand but you understand that. You are never understand or comprehend GOD completely but the little glimpse that GOD send to you, it is a blessing, not all get it, and nobody is entitle to receive it. GOD is at the throne, and HE is reigning in Power. Would you accept you sin and surrender to him? I am not saying would you choose him, because that is impossible, but would you surrender to his majesty, to his perfection, to his mercy? Would you receive His grace and trough faith be save? |
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