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Ndipe (m)
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While there is a difference between tribalism and racism, both of them are damaging and fall under the umbrella of hate. In Nigeria, tribalism has led to unemployment, loss of lives and uncertainty over the future. In America, racism has persisted despite strides made by the civil rights movement. Just recently, a noose was found hung on the door of a Columbia professor who is black. These ugly incident, is a constant reminder of the prevailing attitudes subjected to blacks/minorities in the country. However, while blacks in America can easily file a lawsuit, claiming discrimination and sometimes emerging victorious, the same can't be achieved by minorities back home. In Nigeria, you can't even work for certain state governments, unless you are an indigene of the area. Back in 87, Akwa Ibomites, were purged out of the state civil service when their state was created. The reason? Tribalism.
But it is not all rosy out here in America. You can be lynched for the color of your skin in certain quarters in the states, you can be refused services at a restaurant, or subjected or harrasment day in day out by racists. Back home, being lynched by tribalists is never a reason for not venturing outdoors. You can roam the streets quite freely because your skin color equally blends with the majority of the population.
With this examples cited, who has had it worse then?
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Legendary (m)
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'TRIBALISM' or 'RACISM', they are one and the same. Just a categorisation for english language stakes men!!
Some will argue that a tribe is a subset of a race but the basic and underlining issue here is the discrimination due to common heritage.
None of them makes sense at all.
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almondjoy (f)
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'TRIBALISM' or 'RACISM', they are one and the same. Just a categorisation for english language stakes men!!
Some will argue that a tribe is a subset of a race but the basic and underlining issue here is the discrimination due to common heritage.
None of them makes sense at all.
Well said. Nothing to add. |
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Donzman (m)
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I don't think you can compare racism in America to tribalism in Nigeria. IMO, tribalism is overrated by Nigerians on the internet and there is no reality on the ground. I doubt that there is a Yoruba man somewhere thinking of all Igbos as unequal and looking to deny them job opportunities.
I don't think Akwa Ibomites were purged out of the civil service due to tribalism, it's more due to keeping the civil service in line with the state's new ethnic composition.I doubt Akwa Ibomites were let go because they were seen as INFERIOR, they were let go because under the new system, they're no longer from Cross River state.
Blacks on the other hand, are denied opportunities because they're seen as inferior, hopefully you can see the difference.
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almondjoy (f)
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Hmmmmmmmmm! Yet Nigeria had a "civil war"? I wonder why?
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texazzpete (m)
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I don't think you can compare racism in America to tribalism in Nigeria. IMO, tribalism is overrated by Nigerians on the internet and there is no reality on the ground. I doubt that there is a Yoruba man somewhere thinking of all Igbos as unequal and looking to deny them job opportunities.
I don't think Akwa Ibomites were purged out of the civil service due to tribalism, it's more due to keeping the civil service in line with the state's new ethnic composition.I doubt Akwa Ibomites were let go because they were seen as INFERIOR, they were let go because under the new system, they're no longer from Cross River state.
Blacks on the other hand, are denied opportunities because they're seen as inferior, hopefully you can see the difference.
I strongly think Racism is also overrated in America. Blacks are too quick to pull out the Race card anytime they feel like, and it's absurd. Also, your suggested definition of racism is wrong. Blacks are racist too,a nd they get away with lots of racial jokes they would not tolerate from whites. here's something i posted once before WHY CALL US RACIST
You pass me on the street and sneer in my direction.
You call me "Whiteboy", "Cracker", "Honkey", "Whitey" and you think it's OK.
But when I call you, [black], Kike, Towelhead, Sand-[black], Camel Jockey, Beaner, Gook, or Chink you call me a racist.
You say that whites commit a lot of violence against you, so why are the ghettos the most dangerous places to live?
You have the United Negro College Fund.
You have Martin Luther King Day.
You have Black History Month.
You have Cesar Chavez Day.
You have Yom Hashoah
You have Ma'uled Al-Nabi
You have the NAACP.
You have BET.
If we had WET(white entertainment television) we'D be racists.
If we had a White Pride Day you would call us racists.
If we had White History Month, we'D be racists.
If we had an organization for only whites to "advance" our lives, we'D be racists.
If we had a college fund that only gave white students scholarships, you know we'D be racists.
There are over 60 openly proclaimed Black Colleges in the US, yet if there were pme "White college" that would be a racist college.
In the Million Man March, you believed that you were marching for your race and rights. If we marched for our race and rights, you would call us racists.
You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange, and you're not afraid to announce it. But when we announce our white pride, you call us racists.
You rob us, carjack us, and shoot at us.
But, when a white police officer shoots a black gang member or beats up a black drug-dealer running from the law and posing a threat to society, you call him a racist. Eminem was roundly abused in the black hiphop media when he dissed Michael Jackson, with many Black DJs calling him a racist. Almost every black rapper disses white people, and no one makes a stir. Osuofia performed in a club in Holland, with almost 60% of the attendance being naija yahoo boys and illegal immigrants. the dutch police couldnt resist this tempting bait, and they swooped in for the arrest. naturally, the nigerians resisted. Attempts to subdue the illegal immigrants and yahoo boys (nigerians with valid documents were let to go off freely) were labelled as Racist by Osuofia, himself a deliberate rallying point for 419. This outrageous claim found lots of willing recruits even in Nairaland. Until you see the piles of Yoruba Muslims slaughtered in the North, you may continue tom ake the mistake of saying 'Tribalism is Overrated' |
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Ndipe (m)
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Texazpeete, I do agree with you, and I have also wondered why whites have not been given the same opportunites as minorities. Why isnt a month declared as a Caucasian month where their history is taught in school? What about school, affirmative action and all those programes that have been detrimental to their presence in the society. But (don't get me wrong, I know racism exists in the black community against whites) let me give you two perfect examples for the necessity of different media for different ethnic groups. Racism is never overrated in this country, though they exist remedies to sort of rectify this injustices. It is more pronounced than tribalism, because in tribalism, your dark skin color is almost the same with the majority of the population. Racism is different. You can easily distinguish a black man from a white man.
But here are the examples that I have observed. Remember John H. Johnson, the founder of Ebony Magazine? The man passed away in 2005, about the same week as Peter Jennings, the anchor man of ABC world news. Johnson barely received media coverage in the national news, unlike Peter Jennings, whose demise was covered by the major media outlets in the country. If my memory serves me well, he was on the cover of Newsweek magazine as well as (I think) People Magazine. I was quite shocked by the oversight, because Johnson was a force to be reckoned with both in the publishing and business world. Good thing his magazine, Ebony, decided to place him on the front cover.
Another example. Remember the Mcoughey septuplets who received media blitz and presents in the country, but a Nigerian couple residing in Texas who made world history by giving birth to 8 babies were virtually ignored by the same media. While ABC with Diane Sawyer did a story on this feat, there was a congress woman, Sheila (a rep from texas) who was featured in the documentary, and I can conclude that she was perhaps the force behind this coverage.
Racism in America is never overrated!
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Kobojunkie
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I strongly think Racism is also overrated in America. Blacks are too quick to pull out the Race card anytime they feel like, and it's absurd.Also, your suggested definition of racism is wrong. Blacks are racist too,a nd they get away with lots of racial jokes they would not tolerate from whites.
here's something i posted once before
WHY CALL US RACIST
You pass me on the street and sneer in my direction.
You call me "Whiteboy", "Cracker", "Honkey", "Whitey" and you think it's OK.
But when I call you, [black], Kike, Towelhead, Sand-[black], Camel Jockey, Beaner, Gook, or Chink you call me a racist.
You say that whites commit a lot of violence against you, so why are the ghettos the most dangerous places to live?
You have the United Negro College Fund.
You have Martin Luther King Day.
You have Black History Month.
You have Cesar Chavez Day.
You have Yom Hashoah
You have Ma'uled Al-Nabi
You have the NAACP.
You have BET.
If we had WET(white entertainment television) we'D be racists.
If we had a White Pride Day you would call us racists.
If we had White History Month, we'D be racists.
If we had an organization for only whites to "advance" our lives, we'D be racists.
If we had a college fund that only gave white students scholarships, you know we'D be racists.
There are over 60 openly proclaimed Black Colleges in the US, yet if there were pme "White college" that would be a racist college.
In the Million Man March, you believed that you were marching for your race and rights. If we marched for our race and rights, you would call us racists.
You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange, and you're not afraid to announce it. But when we announce our white pride, you call us racists.
You rob us, carjack us, and shoot at us.
But, when a white police officer shoots a black gang member or beats up a black drug-dealer running from the law and posing a threat to society, you call him a racist.
Eminem was roundly abused in the black hiphop media when he dissed Michael Jackson, with many Black DJs calling him a racist. Almost every black rapper disses white people, and no one makes a stir.
Osuofia performed in a club in Holland, with almost 60% of the attendance being naija yahoo boys and illegal immigrants. the dutch police couldnt resist this tempting bait, and they swooped in for the arrest. naturally, the nigerians resisted. Attempts to subdue the illegal immigrants and yahoo boys (nigerians with valid documents were let to go off freely) were labelled as Racist by Osuofia, himself a deliberate rallying point for 419.
This outrageous claim found lots of willing recruits even in Nairaland.
Until you see the piles of Yoruba Muslims slaughtered in the North, you may continue tom ake the mistake of saying 'Tribalism is Overrated'
I can not tell you how I completely agree with that statement there, I have been in America and worked in so so many states and not once have I met a racist white man, but I have had me some of the worst treatments from african americans cause of my being an african. I believe people like to play the race card a lot and I have come to understand from experience that majority of those who do are racists themselves and find it hard to admit they are. |
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Ndipe (m)
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That you have not met a racist white does not mean they don't exist. I am sure you have heard of lynching in the past, or even the dragging death of a black man in texas in the 90's.
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Kobojunkie
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Texazpeete, I do agree with you, and I have also wondered why whites have not been given the same opportunites as minorities. Why isnt a month declared as a Caucasian month where their history is taught in school? What about school, affirmative action and all those programes that have been detrimental to their presence in the society. But (don't get me wrong, I know racism exists in the black community against whites) let me give you two perfect examples for the necessity of different media for different ethnic groups. Racism is never overrated in this country, though they exist remedies to sort of rectify this injustices. It is more pronounced than tribalism, because in tribalism, your dark skin color is almost the same with the majority of the population. Racism is different. You can easily distinguish a black man from a white man.
But here are the examples that I have observed. Remember John H. Johnson, the founder of Ebony Magazine? The man passed away in 2005, about the same week as Peter Jennings, the anchor man of ABC world news. Johnson barely received media coverage in the national news, unlike Peter Jennings, whose demise was covered by the major media outlets in the country. If my memory serves me well, he was on the cover of Newsweek magazine as well as (I think) People Magazine. I was quite shocked by the oversight, because Johnson was a force to be reckoned with both in the publishing and business world. Good thing his magazine, Ebony, decided to place him on the front cover.
Another example. Remember the Mcoughey septuplets who received media blitz and presents in the country, but a Nigerian couple residing in Texas who made world history by giving birth to 8 babies were virtually ignored by the same media. While ABC with Diane Sawyer did a story on this feat, there was a congress woman, Sheila (a rep from texas) who was featured in the documentary, and I can conclude that she was perhaps the force behind this coverage.
Racism in America is never overrated!
uumm, Not everyone reads Ebony but I am sure over 75% of adults in America knew of peter jennings. About the Nigerian lady in texas, I saw the news on her and if you notice, there were plenty more multiple births around that same time. Basically after the first couple, we all got tired of it. I saw the woman on ABC actually but I was glad no more was on cause after the first, I was done. Anyways, did you consider the fact that maybe the parents themselves did not want that sort of publicity?? Not everyone wants to be on tv and it has nothing to do with race when you and many others are skipped the attention the one is given. |
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Ndipe (m)
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If they did not want the publicity, why did they not pull out of the ABC show?
Peter Jennings? Yeah, almost everybody in America knew of him, but that can't even justify the oversight of the news coverage of John Johnson's death.
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Kobojunkie
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That you have not met a racist white does not mean they don't exist. I am sure you have heard of lynching in the past, or even the dragging death of a black man in texas in the 90's.
At least you do know that even the blacks are racist on some level too. I never said I have never met any white racist. I have and I have equally met black racists but so far, I have only suffered the racist treatment from the blacks and not the whites. So why continue to play the race is the issue card then when it crosses all races?? To me the whole is sort of like an argument that there are blacks who kill their own every day around the nation and the world but when a white man kills it is worse. Should it really be a race issue when it is common within both races in this case?? If they did not want the publicity, why did they not pull out of the ABC show?
Peter Jennings? Yeah, almost everybody in America knew of him, but that can't even justify the oversight of the news coverage of John Johnson's death.
They can't even justify it and so it should be a RACE issue and not just one of the many mistakes they have made in he past with other deaths??? @Ndipe |
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iykrion (m)
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Racism and Tribalism is just like saying Twelve and half a Dozen. Both lead to hatred and segregation.
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Ndipe (m)
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Yeah, I think it was a race issue.
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Kobojunkie
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Yeah, I think it was a race issue.
Do you have data /information to back up your claim then?? @Ndipe . Or is this just another way to PLAY THE RACE card just cause you can??? |
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almondjoy (f)
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Racism and Tribalism is just like saying Twelve and half a Dozen.
Both lead to hatred and segregation.
Thank you! The end result is the same so why we choose to beat around the bush, beats around my bush!!!! The same thing in different contexts! The same bias of exclusion practiced against others as a result of objective or collective "prejudicial and stereotypical" sentiments. |
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ow11 (m)
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The tribalism wins by a mile. Nigerians won't accept it but black americans and west indians are more prone to racism than white people ( talking about average educated people).
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Kobojunkie
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There are two cards I have noticed people like to play alot .
1) "THEY ARE JUDGING ME" card
2) "RACE" card
From my experience though, I have noticed that 98.9% of the time, these cards are usually played first by the guilty party who has somehow blindly decieved self into believing the other side is the guilty side. We over play those cards today. Imagine a Nigerian who has never known slavery argue that caucasians are evil cause they enslaved the black man, including himself in some weird way.
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ow11 (m)
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Imagine a Nigerian who has never known slavery argue that caucasians are evil cause they enslaved the black man, including himself in some weird way.
i struggle to understand why |
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biolabee (m)
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The racism issue is a big one and people liek to play the race card I know there are times that the black man is really unfairly untreated but please some cards are just palin stupid. See articel below http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071116/ap_on_re_us/break_in_murderI read Botha's speech is it true??? If it is that man deserves to burn |
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