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biolabee (m)
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Once again the quintessential question of our time\
The Black Man
I agree that things do not seem so well with the black man at the moment but you have great men around the world in the mold of Mandela, Mo Ibrahim, Johnson (Ebony), Parson (Timewarner), Powell, Obama, Soyinka, Achebe, If you look deeply there are everywhere
I think the problem of the balack man stems from the fact that our environment was never a challeging one so we just sat back, married wives, played music (we invented jazz and rock y'know) and just laid back unlike our white brothers whose lives were compounded with typhoons, hurricanees etc
Also socially we are still at the lowest stage of development. we believe in a hierachical system that edifies our leaders even if they are wrong, sit and die style leadership and no form of accountability (or corporate governance as it is called now) in our dealings.
So talking of running things down even Enron and Parmalet failed bacause of lack of corporate govenance and accoutability.
I think we all need to rise up and demand better from our leaders where ever we are
Have you seen Lions For Lambs? good film
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Blackcat (f)
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'denex' or what ever your nickname is. You live in Lagos and yet hate black people, you cunt sucking,myopic, foul mouth piece of junk!!!!.
Anyways, no body chooses who their parents, race, country or even children will be. I believe if God were to ask everybody what they wanted before been born a lot of people will not be were they are now. The black race was a great race, but lots of events have made it one of the most despised races e.g cain,slavery.(who for heavens sake sells a family member for a mirror or gun powder??? damn!!!) our forefathers did us 'in'. We should on the other hand do us 'out'.
Blacks are really, really trying and coping with the situation. I don't believe the other races faced with all these discrimination would have reached or made the kind of tremendous progress we have made or are trying to make.
SOLUTION:
1. Learn to love and respect one another.
2. The black man should stop thinking with his heart but with his head. Thats what the whites do and thats why they are way ahead of us.
3. Never put a white man or any other race for that matter first before a black man.
4. Do not despise your fellow black brothers/sisters and show admiration to the other races.
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Kulibali
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1)Firstly I would like to know where the contributions on this subject will end. To start with the current black generation have no idea of what happened in the 16 th Century up to today on the African Continent since the history we are now engaged in was never taught in Schools unless the school education system changed few years ago but if you are in the mid thirties I doubt much if you have the current history taught to our brothers and Sisters today. 2) Egypt in the Ancient times was a stable Country in terms of Economics and Finances and we read in the Bible how the Israelities found themselves being slaves in Egypt. When the Israelities where set free by the hand of GOD as HE promised to ABRAHAM ( the father of Faith), they did not turn back to Egypt , they moved forward as we all know today. 3) Having said that, African Countries are free of Colonisation today and it's time that we move forward, I know there are challenges that we need to conquer.( Economic imbalances that were left by the colonies) 4)Slavery of cause left a mark that will never be forgotten in our lives. I fully agree with Blackcat that " all black leaders and African Presidents " within Africa and Abroad should get together when they meet at the AU meetings and the issue our brothers and Sisters who were sold into slavery by our own Great- great great grand parents should be addressed. There must be a reunion that must take place. I cannot be at peace here in Windhoek while the truth have been revealed to us. 5) Dr Claude Anderson ,founder of Harvest Institute have written good books on blacks back in the 16 th Century up to where the black race is today and he has highlighted keys actions that we need to do as a race. Check www.harvestinstitute.org for more information. 6) Our forefathers when selling their brothers into slavery used to demonstrate their strength and Power to the White Men who happen to be helped by a black folk before a deal could be concluded. The current generation ( black race like boasting and showing of too much). Dancing kwasa - kwasa and Ndombolo , and other invented music by African American etc, even today is what the black race like doing most, not all of us. After the Civil war in America , blacks of that generation were left roaming on the street asking for food from whites " The Nigger in the wood pile expression "came about When black folks started having sexual affairs with White ladies after cutting fire woods " Read the books by Dr Claude ANDERSON. There were no gas stoves at that time .We need to learn to build and save for our Grand children and start to think seven generation from now on. 7) For your records I'm writting from Windhoek Namibia and I'm black. When an African for example gets a Chance to study in Europe or America, at the completion of the course instead of getting information on the CD's e.g IT to come build an IT company home, He ( not women) exports depreciating assets ( e.g Cars ,Clothing etc) and an Asian boy or Girl e.g leaves all depreciating assets and takes information and forms an IT company when back home. 8)Some of the things which some highly educated blacks (PHD holders) still do today, is consulting Sangoma's or so called Traditional healers when visiting their uncle's and Aunt's at the villages just like in the time's of the chaka Zulu.  Check African Movies ) 9) We need a complete a new mind set in our thinking. We have to take our own leaders to task on issues that will help us rebuild the Continent. There is no more time for marrying 15 wives  This current generation should do away from polygamy. I have said a lot for now - Cheers Kulibali
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Kulibali
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denex comments does not save the purpose of this forum and should not be allowed on this forum please Mr moderator. He or she is to naive and could be in disguise. 
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NigEclipse (m)
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denex comments does not save the purpose of this forum and should not be allowed on this forum please Mr moderator.
He or she is to naive and could be in disguise. Denex is also another person battling self hatred. Denex is also black, but yet wants to pretend to be a white individual in order to start a racial argument in the forum.
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Kobojunkie
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Denex is also another person battling self hatred. Denex is also black, but yet wants to pretend to be a white individual in order to start a racial argument in the forum.
I don't believe he/she is pretending to be white or has white issues at all. There is a thread on nairaland on James Watson that will better explain what he/she thinks. I mean it is funny but I don't believe he pretends to be white. LMAO!!!
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Kulibali
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I know there are people who does not take the issue of the African Continent serious or perhaps lack information on the History of the Continent and also the around the World. I believe this FORUM was brought up for a real purpose and we expect a high level of Communication on the Black race subject( Intellectuals and keep emotions aside for now)
So please ignore denex , s/he needs help whether he is black or white. Remember when Joshua was assigned to go spy the Promised land. Ten(?) brought bad news ( Cowards) and Only Joshua and Friend were courageous enough to give a positive report to Moses though in real there Giants who occupied the land at that time, MY point here is , there will be always foolish people among us (Blacks) who can't see beyond their own imagination.
History( may be till today) has it that African Leader (Presidents)prefares to Invest their Money in Europe ( Bank Suisse - an Integrated Global Bank in Swizerland) being the Common one. What do you think Europe will do? or an receipt of these Investments? ANSWER - they will develop their Infrastructures( Hospitals, Roads, Railway etc) and invite once again African Men and Women to go work for them paying high salaries which African Governments cannot afford( Brain drain)/
So once again - as I mentioned earlier let's take our Leaders to task, let's hold them Responsible and Accountable. Hope you all know that Africa still have the largest amount of Raw Materials that needs to processed into finished Products.
Cheers - Kulibali - Windhoek Namibia
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folem
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Denex thinks he is BROWN and not BLACK! 
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Blackcat (f)
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So once again - as I mentioned earlier let's take our Leaders to task, let's hold them Responsible and Accountable. Hope you all know that Africa still have the largest amount of Raw Materials that needs to processed into finished Products.
Cheers - Kulibali - Windhoek Namibia
How do we go about holding our leaders responsible or accountable for our woes??? I believe the problem lies with each and everyone of us.
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redsun (m)
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It is a matter of looking beyond 2000 years and see how humanity has toiled to this present day.
What makes people who they are is about what people wants to be,it is about precedence,hard work and sacrifice.The precedence we have now because we can learn from other races,but the question is,what are we doing about it?for those of us abroad,are we going to remain abroad and be complaining that things are bad and that our leaders are not doing anything about it?meanwhile we are the leaders,we are the people,we got to begin to let go this comfort zone we call abroad and pay the price of setting a pace for a stable future.
We need to go back to africa enmass and massively effect and change the mindset of the populace,die if you have to but stick to the plan.Personally i feel embarass hanging out in europe,while my father's land is crying out for help and development,every little helps.
The brain is like musles,it expands while you push,opens up to what you want but you have to ask.It is about what we are not doing right,it is about losing touch with reality. This is the time for us to reverse the syndrome,because we now know and just a generation can change this things.
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lucabrasi (m)
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please my guy,if you can lay your hand on this book "whats wrong with being black" it will answer all your questions and i promise you it will open your eyes to so many things its written by pastor mathew ashimolowo, you can read limited chapters online at whats wrongwithbeingblack.co.uk or .org.uk
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wirinet
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Thanks funloving for raising a vital question. I believe that a problem is 50% solved when we identify that a problem exists, and the greatest problem facing us as a people is not the backwardness of the the black race but the failure to recognise that a problem exists and living in a state of denial as done by many people in this forum.
Having said these, I believe i have the answers to your questions and I know that 90% of you would not even comprehend the reason not to talk of agree with me. Because it would mean viewing changing our whole perception of ourselves and life as a whole, and as you know breaking of our beliefs systems and perception is tantamount to suicide to majority of humans especially blacks. it is our psychological security. so i will slowly and gradually explain the reason why we are backward as a people, some not of our doing while others is entirely our fault. It will take many posts to even begin to explain but i will try my best.
Before i start i will want to add more to your observations We blacks have the least population among the races but the whites would have us feel we are overpopulated so we should reduce our population. But if you look at the statistics the number of blacks on the earth surface is less than 600 million, about half the population of india but the white man is not talking about reducing asian population. when small europe became overpopulated, the colonized other continents so today the whites occupy almost every continent in the world with their total population runining into at least 1.5billion. Why i added this observation to show that even from the position of population we are backward and if there is a war among the races today (hypothetical that is) the blacks stand no chance.
Will continue later
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wirinet
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Before i go further, the answer to our present state has to do with our evolutionary development. I Know when i mention evolution lots and lots of people will explode and say "WHAT NONSENSE" but i implore you to have patience and gradually it would be made manifest (understood).
When i say evolutionary development i do not just mean physiological evolution but also societal and spiritual evolution. Evolution in its basic form means adapting to changing environment, food, situations and requirements, the more extreme the situation the more the adaptations needed to survive. species that are unable to adapt fast enough quickly become extinct. Please allow me to digress here. We african are very resistant to changes, when the europeans brought christianity, we refused to leave our old ways and rejected christianity, so the europeans set up schools to educate and convert the children as they are less rigid than their parents and gradually we accepted christianity. Now that the europeans have embraced science and regard science higher than religion we still refuse to follow and scorn at them for being unbelievers (sinners), we still refuse to stop old beliefs and embrace science, most of us still scorn at scientists but are quick to use and perform thanksgivings for scientific inventions (computers, GPS, Plane, Moblile phone and lots more). sorry for the digression
So the differences in the development of the races can be seen the the challenges each race had to face and how they evolved to solve those challenges.
to continue later
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Kobojunkie
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please my guy,if you can lay your hand on this book "whats wrong with being black" it will answer all your questions and i promise you it will open your eyes to so many things its written by pastor mathew ashimolowo, you can read limited chapters online at whats wrongwithbeingblack.co.uk or .org.uk
A man who is a good example of the power of capitalism, by the way !!
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Kobojunkie
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Thanks funloving for raising a vital question. I believe that a problem is 50% solved when we identify that a problem exists, and the greatest problem facing us as a people is not the backwardness of the the black race but the failure to recognise that a problem exists and living in a state of denial as done by many people in this forum.
Having said these, I believe i have the answers to your questions and I know that 90% of you would not even comprehend the reason not to talk of agree with me. Because it would mean viewing changing our whole perception of ourselves and life as a whole, and as you know breaking of our beliefs systems and perception is tantamount to suicide to majority of humans especially blacks. it is our psychological security. so i will slowly and gradually explain the reason why we are backward as a people, some not of our doing while others is entirely our fault. It will take many posts to even begin to explain but i will try my best.
Before i start i will want to add more to your observations We blacks have the least population among the races but the whites would have us feel we are overpopulated so we should reduce our population. But if you look at the statistics the number of blacks on the earth surface is less than 600 million, about half the population of india but the white man is not talking about reducing asian population. when small europe became overpopulated, the colonized other continents so today the whites occupy almost every continent in the world with their total population runining into at least 1.5billion. Why i added this observation to show that even from the position of population we are backward and if there is a war among the races today (hypothetical that is) the blacks stand no chance.
Will continue later
Back in 2000, World population was estimated as below African--------------------------------------- ---794 Million Asia ------------------------------------------- 3672 Million Latin America and Carribean ---------------519 Million Europe-----------------------------------------727 Million Northern America --------------------------- 314 Million Oceania----------------------------------------31 Million There are blacks in majority in Africa, there are blacks in America in the millions. Blacks in Latin America and the Carribeans in the Millions and blacks in Europe in the millions. Are you sure of your estimate and claim that Africans have the least population??? Please provide proof for your claim.
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Kobojunkie
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Before i go further, the answer to our present state has to do with our evolutionary development. I Know when i mention evolution lots and lots of people will explode and say "WHAT NONSENSE" but i implore you to have patience and gradually it would be made manifest (understood).
When i say evolutionary development i do not just mean physiological evolution but also societal and spiritual evolution. Evolution in its basic form means adapting to changing environment, food, situations and requirements, the more extreme the situation the more the adaptations needed to survive. species that are unable to adapt fast enough quickly become extinct. Please allow me to digress here. We african are very resistant to changes, when the europeans brought christianity, we refused to leave our old ways and rejected christianity, so the europeans set up schools to educate and convert the children as they are less rigid than their parents and gradually we accepted christianity. Now that the europeans have embraced science and regard science higher than religion we still refuse to follow and scorn at them for being unbelievers (sinners), we still refuse to stop old beliefs and embrace science, most of us still scorn at scientists but are quick to use and perform thanksgivings for scientific inventions (computers, GPS, Plane, Moblile phone and lots more). sorry for the digression
So the differences in the development of the races can be seen the the challenges each race had to face and how they evolved to solve those challenges.
to continue later
America happens to be one of the most advanced countries on the planet and yet religion places a huge part in the lives of over 90% of the population of the people. Even Scientists in the highests ranks will tell you that religious remains an integral part of their lives from the dude that heads the National Science Foundation in America who happens to be a "Born again" Christian. He believes in miracles and even consider's his life and work miracles. Again, Are you sure that what you think is africa's problem is close to Africa's reality??
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4 Play (m)
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Before i start i will want to add more to your observations We blacks have the least population among the races but the whites would have us feel we are overpopulated so we should reduce our population. But if you look at the statistics the number of blacks on the earth surface is less than 600 million, about half the population of india but the white man is not talking about reducing asian population. when small europe became overpopulated, the colonized other continents so today the whites occupy almost every continent in the world with their total population runining into at least 1.5billion. Why i added this observation to show that even from the position of population we are backward and if there is a war among the races today (hypothetical that is) the blacks stand no chance.Will continue later
The question of overpopulation is relative.Hong Kong might be said to be overpopulated with a population of 7m while Australia,with a population of 21m,doesn't suffer the same fate. Africa is "overpopulated" relative to its resources,mainly economic.If you look at the staggering infant mortality stats,there is hardly a case to be made that we are underpopulated.
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Kulibali
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The current population in Africa alone is 934 283 426 ( Millions) according to the Wikipedia. I think most of you contributing to this forum have access to information ( Libraries. internet etc) and other Christian leaders. Do are Research on Countries like Japan, and understand what they did to be where they are today.
BlackCat - You hold a leader responsible and accountable for what they do wrong while in Power by voting them out of office and vote someone with Good Leadership qualities. Currently most African Nations (People) still vote for a president because s/he is from a certain Ethnic Group or Tribe. We have to do away with such thinking and elect/vote for a president who can see generations not 10 years downline.
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Kobojunkie
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The current population in Africa alone is 934 283 426 ( Millions) according to the Wikipedia. I think most of you contributing to this forum have access to information ( Libraries. internet etc) and other Christian leaders. Do are Research on Countries like Japan, and understand what they did to be where they are today.
BlackCat - You hold a leader responsible and accountable for what they do wrong while in Power by voting them out of office and vote someone with Good Leadership qualities. Currently most African Nations (People) still vote for a president because s/he is from a certain Ethnic Group or Tribe. We have to do away with such thinking and elect/vote for a president who can see generations not 10 years downline.
Christian leaders?? What do you mean by that?? I got my numbers from libraries, since when did wikipedia more reliable than library numbers now?? Anywho, the number I posted was from back in 2000 and I am sure by now the population has sky rocketed past that number and that number only addresses africans living in Africa and not even africans living outside of Africa and we all know that there are 10's of millions of africans who live outside of the continent itself.
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Kulibali
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Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo, is a Christian leader. In fact I'm in the process to buy his book titled What is wrong with being Black. So I suggest you do the same.
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Kobojunkie
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Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo, is a Christian leader. In fact I'm in the process to buy his book titled What is wrong with being Black. So I suggest you do the same.
No thanks. I do not believe in the CHRISTIAN SWING ANGLE that some do. I believe that is all just some people's way of soothing themselves instead of facing the fact that we have issues we need to deal with and can EASILY overcome if we wanted to.
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