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wendymanda
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The worst of all are people from the Carribbean Islands. I lived in Jamaica and let me tell you it's the worst, so many horendous stories, from grown people asking if people in Africa wear clothes or eat to people in church praying for people in the wilderness of Africa. People pretend as if exposure equals intelligence hecks no. Kingston is so sad people will do anything to be "light skin" from the girls to the men. It is so sad how they think they are better than Africans just because they are mentally enslaved. Most Jamaicans think they are better than Nigeria, they used to ask me if I chased lions and tigers for sports in Nigeria. These are grown teachers, imagine what th estupid kids will say and do when the teachers behave like that. I had friends that went their last year for Christmas vacation and experienced the same nonsense. When we moved from Jamaica to US I thought it would be over, to my amazement people here suffer from the same skin disillusions. I was at a softball practice when this girl was making a joke (wasn't really funny) and said she would have been a house slave that slept with the master if she was back in slavery times and we the dark skin people would be out in the fields toiling in the hot sun and getting darker. I was so disgusted that she thought it a thing of pride to be a sexual slave. Tufiekwa |
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nwando
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Babyosisi. Correct if I am wrong, who sent them to the islands in chains? Well unless the Europeans lied then it wasnt there uncles, fathers, brothers et al who sold their own, instead they "volunteered" to be taken,  And another thing, the Caribbean, though primarily make up of african slaves descendants, also have a large Indian, Portuguese, Spanish, European( my maternal grandmother) and the Natives( Arawak and Caribs) who were there on the islands long before those poor slaves were brought there. I think the problem most west Indies have with Africans is their remorse for selling their own flesh and blood then having the audacity to use it as a curse, Well they ought to read and find out that the transaharan slavery wasn't about men willingly giving up their daughters and sons. Some were captured forcefully,some went willingly thinking they were going to work and others were sold after capture from tribal wars. Slavery had already existed in some form or another even way back in biblical times before it became commercialised in this way. I'm not saying slavery was not a grave ill,of course it was but to blame Africans,a colonised people under European rule at the time for slavery is absurd. What rights do a colonized people have over their colonial masters? The pointing of fingers will do nobody any good. And some of them being quick to tell you of their drop of "Dutch" and "English" blood sounds so comical. As though they are struggling to tell you they are not 100% African Who cares? They are as African as a man from Mushin and the earlier they spoke the truth to themselves,the better they'll accept themselves. |
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Islander (f)
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Wendy,
I am not at all disagreeing with your post, I have lived in and among Jamaica while attending UWI, Trust me when I tell you most Jamaicans are bats and I say this without fear or favour. I am NOT Jamaican, but I have had many misfortunes with them as well. Don't feel bad, they don't even consider us ( the smaller islands) as a part of the Caribbean. Then again I have met some very nice ones who are so afraid of their fellowmen they would rather not be associated with their own kind.
This type of ignorance does not only appy to Caribbean nationals. Just last week on my way home I met a group of Africans at Grantly Adams International in Barbados and me being me decided to initiate a chit chat. My first question after realising they were Africans was to inquire if they were Nigerians and I almost got my head eaten off my tiny shoulders. I immediately apologised and was later given a sermon by the group( whom by the way was made up of Ghananians, Togolese, Kenyans and 1 south African) as to why they got offense to me refering to them as Nigerians.
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wendymanda
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who sent them to the islands in chains? Well unless the Europeans lied then it wasnt there uncles, fathers, brothers et al who sold their own, instead they "volunteered" to be taken, Here we go buying into that selling our brothers and sisters bs. No one sold their brothers and sisters, initially people traded those they captured from war with other tribes that only had skin color in common, did not even speak the same dialect. Later with the help of Arabs the whites started capturing people from their villages, they would raid villages ofr human beings. People selling their brothers in the African slave trade is like comparing the Brits to the Irish. Some Irish left Ireland because of the torture the British was subjugating them, from this tangent I want to show how the Africans that willingly traded people only did so becuase they were not kin. Kinship is extremely sacred to Africans. Most of the Caribbean is made up of majority blacks of African descent but if you want to piss a Jamaican off mention they are of African descent the way they will deny it will bring you to shame. How can you claim to be mixed with everything when the most evident in all the family is black, dark black why argue something when the proof is almost impossible to find. One of my friends while playing with her told me that slavery does not exist in Jamaica anymore and if I wanted a slave I should go back to Jamaica and we were in the 9th grade when she said this. We were playing a game where we chase each other and it was totally uncalled for. Some will tell you to go back to Africa and not finish their food in Jamaica, ridiculous. I don't think it is anger for being sold I think it is the white syndrome which makes blakcs ashamed of themselves and try to do anything to emmulate whites. |
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wendymanda
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This type of ignorance does not only appy to Caribbean nationals. Just last week on my way home I met a group of Africans at Grantly Adams International in Barbados and me being me decided to initiate a chit chat. My first question after realising they were Africans was to inquire if they were Nigerians and I almost got my head eaten off my tiny shoulders. I immediately apologised and was later given a sermon by the group( whom by the way was made up of Ghananians, Togolese, Kenyans and 1 south African) as to why they got offense to me refering to them as Nigerians. Why did they take offense to being refferred to Nigerians, because they think they are better than us? |
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Islander (f)
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Well they ought to read and find out that the transaharan slavery wasn't about men willingly giving up their daughters and sons.
Some were captured forcefully,some went willingly thinking they were going to work and others were sold after capture from tribal wars.
Slavery had already existed in some form or another even way back in biblical times before it became commercialised in this way.
I'm not saying slavery was not a grave ill,of course it was but to blame Africans,a colonised people under European rule at the time for slavery is absurd.
What rights do a colonized people have over their colonial masters?
The pointing of fingers will do nobody any good.
And some of them being quick to tell you of their drop of "Dutch" and "English" blood sounds so comical.
As though they are struggling to tell you they are not 100% African
Who cares?
They are as African as a man from Mushin and the earlier they spoke the truth to themselves,the better they'll accept themselves.
With all due respect, I fully understand where you are coming from. Ironically, I spent 5 years as a Primary school teacher in my native Islands upon completing A levels, And would you believe the History books that were used were the very ones written and published by Europeans. As Bob Marley stated repeatedly in many of his songs, The white man's oppression did not only alter our eductional system, but it has also significantly altered the way may Islanders view this entire issue of slavery. Now while I do accept responsibility for many at times becoming offended when being referred to as a slave baby( since as I mentioned my entire maternal side were from Ireland) this doesn't in anyway gives me or anyone the right to discriminate against our African roots. My islands were actully the last to be inhabited by african slaves after the French exiled the Native caribs to Hondruas and Belize. Personnally, I believe this topic is a very touchy one and can spur some emotions that should be left dormant. This reminds me of a discussion I had in church regarding Children of the bond woman (Haggai) and that of Sarah, Why should Esa and his descendants be blamed for something they had no control over, Maybe if sarah hadnt forced Abraham to shag Esa then, I was thinking what if the Europeans hadnt ravaged Africa.What if they weren't sold or forced into slavery, What if?  |
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Islander (f)
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Wendy,
let me reiterate that I am NOT Jamaican, So maybe if you make your argument less closed circuit then we can have a senseble discussion. F.uck Jamaicans,
To answer your latter question, Sorry maybe I should put out an annoucement to ask the group of Africans their reasons as to not wanting to be called Nigerians.
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nwando
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I lived in Jamaica and let me tell you it's the worst, so many horendous stories, from grown people asking if people in Africa wear clothes or eat to people in church praying for people in the wilderness of Africa. People pretend as if exposure equals intelligence hecks no. Kingston is so sad people will do anything to be "light skin" from the girls to the men. It is so sad how they think they are better than Africans just because they are mentally enslaved. Most Jamaicans think they are better than Nigeria, they used to ask me if I chased lions and tigers for sports in Nigeria. These are grown teachers, imagine what th estupid kids will say and do when the teachers behave like that. I had friends that went their last year for Christmas vacation and experienced the same nonsense. When we moved from Jamaica to US I thought it would be over, to my amazement people here suffer from the same skin disillusions. I was at a softball practice when this girl was making a joke (wasn't really funny) and said she would have been a house slave that slept with the master if she was back in slavery times and we the dark skin people would be out in the fields toiling in the hot sun and getting darker. I was so disgusted that she thought it a thing of pride to be a sexual slave. Tufiekwa
Ignorance is indeed a disease. The first weapon of slavery is to convince the individual,they are in a better place that where they came from. Same way a rapist could capture a sex slave and convince her she loves him. They see no pictures of Africa that depict what you and I know. The stories their captives told them are the pictures inprinted in their brains from generation to generation. Here in the USA in 2007 there are families,black and white that have no college educated folks. It'll be hard to convince them that some Yoruba families have their 3rd and 4th generation of lawyers and doctors and I'm not talking babalawos. I work in a rural clinic,in this day and age,I've had people ask how I became a doctor,a woman and an African ? Where do I begin to tell them I had female professors and that my class was 1/3rd female and that my own grandfather graduated from Methodist College Uzuakoli in Abia state. The image they have about Africa is some hungry and naked people running around in the forest,pictures most of us have never seen. It's very sad. |
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nwando
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Here we go buying into that selling our brothers and sisters bs. No one sold their brothers and sisters, initially people traded those they captured from war with other tribes that only had skin color in common, did not even speak the same dialect. Later with the help of Arabs the whites started capturing people from their villages, they would raid villages ofr human beings. People selling their brothers in the African slave trade is like comparing the Brits to the Irish. Some Irish left Ireland because of the torture the British was subjugating them, from this tangent I want to show how the Africans that willingly traded people only did so becuase they were not kin. Kinship is extremely sacred to Africans.
Most of the Caribbean is made up of majority blacks of African descent but if you want to piss a Jamaican off mention they are of African descent the way they will deny it will bring you to shame. How can you claim to be mixed with everything when the most evident in all the family is black, dark black why argue something when the proof is almost impossible to find.
One of my friends while playing with her told me that slavery does not exist in Jamaica anymore and if I wanted a slave I should go back to Jamaica and we were in the 9th grade when she said this. We were playing a game where we chase each other and it was totally uncalled for. Some will tell you to go back to Africa and not finish their food in Jamaica, ridiculous. I don't think it is anger for being sold I think it is the white syndrome which makes blakcs ashamed of themselves and try to do anything to emmulate whites.
It is very very saddening. I feel the utmost pity for these people. Slavery has made a people hate themselves. They can claim to come from Aberdeen in Scotland,they only succeed in looking foolish to the hearers. |
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Islander (f)
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Ignorance is indeed a disease.
They see no pictures of Africa that depict what you and I know.
And are you alarmed? This is not only an African-American, WEst Indian thing. The first day I turned up white client's home I had to demonstrate Places of Articulation and production of sounds to two novice parents since Early Intervention wasn't paying me and they themselves were cheap as hell. So I decided to give them a dvd so they help the kid on his own. YOu should have seen how the dad took the remote and was literally telling me where is the power button and to work the device. I got so upset I had to ask him if he thought we lived in caves in the islands. The truth is many of these people have never even travelled outside of their state and all they know of the outside world is what the television feeds to them. So whenever I encounter people of that calibre rather than get aggitated I give them a lesson and then leave them to deal with their stupidity, |
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nwando
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I once had a black woman say to me "you are very pretty,if only you were a little lighter".
She then proceeded to give me the name of her toning cream that would lighten me up about 3 shades,she promised.
I almost wept for her.
In all my years in Nigeria I never heard anyone tell me such.
Admitted I'm dark skinned but I have never felt inferior to anyone and here was a woman whom I hardly knew,a fellow black but African American telling me I was good but could be better.
Can you then imagine what would be the lot of a child born,who hears this constantly?
Of course she grows up to believe she's no good and ugly and if she were lighter in complexion she'll be better.
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Islander (f)
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LOL, so is that why so many Africans bleach their skin?
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wendymanda
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I once had a black woman say to me "you are very pretty,if only you were a little lighter".
She then proceeded to give me the name of her toning cream that would lighten me up about 3 shades,she promised.
I almost wept for her. So sorry my dear, it is such a pitiful state. They think introducing mercury on their skin mkaes them prettier how sad. They will bleach and look disgusting, there was a girl at my school in Jamaica that came to school with her face red like a tomato one day and the other day her face looked like she was burnt, so disgusting for nothing. Africans might bleach but not like those Caribbean people. When I realized they wanted to make me ashamed of who I am I decided to show and tell them I was better. When ever they brought up slavery I hurt there feelings by giving them good history lesson. One sad American example was that this past semester I resolved to go natural and this girl who is mixed with black and white in this century told me not to because its ugly and not appealing. I was like wtf, is it not appealing becuase am showing my true self rather than hiding it with lye, expensive corrosive lye at that. |
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Islander (f)
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ROFLNSAO, Anyway I am off to bed,
PS, The day when I come here and see Igbo and Yoruba and Hausas et al unite, then I will personally embark on a campaign to "force" Caribbean people to stop "hating" on their Africaness, until such time, we ALL have a lot of "beaming picking" to do,
Addios los gentes, Tengomos muy el fin de semana,
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fofura (f)
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wow, an Afro-Brazilian who's proud to be black. Danm, this is a historical event we're witnessing here folks!! You don't get these types very often, most of them will fight tooth and nail in resistance to being associated with anything in which would associate them with the dreaded BLACK, NEGRO and or AFRICAN title. Hero, I know you intended to be a little funny, but until you know a culture you shouldn't make jabs without something to back it up. Trust me, there is more pride and happiness in our black culture in brasil than anywhere in the us. If you dared say what you said to my husband, family, friends, to me, you would be looked upon as a silly white man from the u.s. who is all mixed up without a strong sense of home. Our language shares a huge portion of yoruba words, foods and customs, we still speak it and sing it in our rites and rituals, which were not lost as they were in the us and had to be reintroduced. Maybe you met people from the big cities in the south, I don't know, but up in the northeast we would just as soon cut off our hand then deny what is our heritage. Skin color is not a big deal in brasil, but it is in the u.s, ( imagine that!) My husband's Godmother was a great Iyalorisa, and she was very light skin and maybe not even with african blood. I am Iyalorisa and I am light skin. My Iyalorisa is dark, my Baba is light, who cares about skin color? All kinds of couples can be found, white white dark dark, coffe with cream with white, with jambo with azulao, etc., etc., etc., In brasil, we know what is tasty and good to eat, and it runs from all the flavors light to dark. Any color can be sweet, any color can be salty. It depends on your taste buds, but the pleasure is there. We embrace "blackness" as much we embrace "whiteness", life is to live, life is too short, and life can be rough so we take pleasure in everything we can. Even if we have over 300 names to describe skin color, it is not to seperate, judge, grade, noooooo, it is so we can better describe the object of our love, our passion , and so best describe this delight when sharing with others, 
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nwando
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LOL, so is that why so many Africans bleach their skin?
maybe you have the answer,edumacate us |
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nwando
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ROFLNSAO, Anyway I am off to bed,
PS, The day when I come here and see Igbo and Yoruba and Hausas et al unite, then I will personally embark on a campaign to "force" Caribbean people to stop "hating" on their Africaness, until such time, we ALL have a lot of "beaming picking" to do,
Addios los gentes, Tengomos muy el fin de semana,
We at least agree that we are are proud to be Nigerians,black and Africans and not ashamed to say so. We are not struggling to add a drop of slave masters blood in our DNA Thank God! You can't get more unity in agreement than that. |
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Islander (f)
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We at least agree that we are are proud to be Nigerians,black and Africans and not ashamed to say so.
We are not struggling to add a drop of slave masters blood in our DNA Thank God!
You can't get more unity in agreement than that.
Is this all you can offer? LOL, please spare me and others Baby, I have seen you exhibit tribalistic attitude all over this forum a that sometimes I wonder how come you have not yet started your own civil war, Now please hush let me hear when God's breeze is blowing, |
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Gamine (f)
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Light skin Vs Dark skin
how about
Big head Vs Small head???
wonders shall nevr cease
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kattie101 (f)
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Light skin Vs Dark skin
how about
Big head Vs Small head???
wonders shall nevr cease
that is so fucking funny, bighead vs small head.lol |
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JoJoo
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It doesn't matter whether you're a dark skin or light-skin black,white,hispanic,Asian,Indian,etc. We r all the same, we all came from Africa, and when some of us migrated some of our skin became light and some became darker, we all was mutated by the environment we were in and that is why we have different shades in color. To me I think there r no such thing as Race, because we all have Africa ancestry not just blacks but whites nd etc. Now when it comes to the labeled African American it's sad that we r divided. ME I'm dark skin from Ghana (Africa), and I am at the point were I'm starting to impress my dark skin, I just think you should love who you are and know that we all the same just with different color.  |
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Lgholiday
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It's more than obvious that you haven't been in a completely white society, the color of your skin turns in to a very important thing that must be take care of, and is not as I want it, I mean: I want it because I want to be accepted, and stop receiving bitter looks.
For me is not about that proud speech is about being accepted as I said, and stop being insulted with racist comments or words that really hurt me, I'm actually traumatized and I receive psychotherapies because of that racism.
And I do understand what the person who opened the discussion meant, Is that people don't give us the opportunity to show them how cool we can be and because of our skin color, they want us apart, doesn't matter if we have a great personality is not going to change the fact that we would never have a relationship.
In conclusion I can't judge someone that wants a lighter skin and many white people criticizes that because they had never felt racism.
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Eliza704
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Well for me, im african american. My mothers side is light my fathers side is dark. I took after my father. All during school the kids (even kids darker than i) would torment me. Calling me tar baby, blackie, spook all sorts of crap. They looked at me like i was crazy because i was very pround to be black and proud to be "african" i knew where i came from at a very young age. u know the other kids had smartass remarks like im aint from no africa im part indian and so on and so forth. The big insult back then was "african booty scratcher" i don't know where the hell that came from but it was hell! One thing i know is kids are not born with that kind of ignorance, it has to be taught. Thank god my parents never put that crap into my head. I can remember kids putting hands together to see which was lighter. People put too much into skin tone. Its not that serious. Just because someone is lighter doesnt make them better! Sorry to rant but this issue is personal to me.
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Eliza704
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I can go on forever about this issue, so if its getting too much let me know. I can recall when i was around 15 or 16 years of age. Me and my friend were walking home from school that day. Some guys saw us walking from a distance, as far as they were they couldnt really see what we looked like but they could see that i was chocolate and she was lite (not pretty at all but light). This fool started yelling hey red bone come here. I know im pretty ok but he called her over because she was lighter. When she got close to the car and they saw her face they pulled off. All i could do was laugh to myself, thats what they get. In high school it was always the light skin girls that the boys were all over cute or not. when i turned 18 and out of high school some of those punks that wouldnt even look my way in high school were all in my face and still are to this day. My skin hasnt changed, i look the same. Why the change of heart? Well i have never had that problem out of spanish men or african men or even white men.
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Eliza704
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To hot angel, here in the usa men refer to light skin people as, red bone, yellow bone, high yellow all sorts of crap. If u watch any american tv the dark skin ladies are always in the back some where, well hidden no doubt. Videos and movies its sad. To whoever said rita dominic was yellow, i don't agree, shes not that light. And i think she would still be cute if she where chocolate like me. Any way when i hang out with my african friend from liberia people don't know if im african or not. I take it as a complement not as an insult. My nigerian guy is yoruba and says i look yoruba. He said the only way any one would know is by my accent. Thats a compliment. Any way as for old slave masters dna, i have it but not by choice! But my ancestors dna well overides his disgusting dna.
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reneed
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you know me being a dark skinned woman i get tired of all this light vs dark crap!!!! to me its nothing to do with your color to me its all about what that person likes and sometimes it ain't even that, to my sisters don't listen to that shit you are being told dark skin is sexy exotic and wild why you think so many white woman or white woman go and get tans cause they wont what we have darker skin. its nothing wrong with having dark skin or light skin but its truth in it that so men do perfer lighter woman but those aren't the kinds of man that we dark skeined sisters need you see dark skin stands for something think of your ancestors from back in the days who slaved and slaved for years and years me personally i consider those women the most beautiful people who ever lived , i just can't believe what people are saying all this crap and lies to make us feel less than what we really are thats what the white man been tyring do to us for the longest break the black generation up and guess what thats exactly what they are doing they brainwashed you to think that light is better well let me tell u dark women i know women Ive seen way prettier than beyonce Knowles one of the prettiest light skin women i ever seen her name is Kd.Aubert they call her the black Angelina Jolie she is a dark color in pics she may look a little light but i seen her in person and my she was just so dark and lovely i mean come on sisters i know we are way better than this our color stand for strongness not evil love you dark is way prettier than light skin women tend to look dead dark skin is so lovely chocolaty and who don't love chocolate??I'm not saying light is bad but for someone to say that light is better those people need some serious help and just think god made you how you is for a reason so enjoy life and mess what all those ignorant people have to say i know when i was in my last high school everyone loved me white black Spanish i was one of the most envied girls walking the hall ways with my long African box braids that swung to my butt thick curvy thighs nice firmed butt big potty lips bold brown eyes and most important chocolate sexy skin to me thats my best feature besides my ass they called mt the finest girl there so any of you lighter chicks who think your skin color is better than dark skin post a pic and we will see causes beauty is way more than skin color sorry i don't care if you had the lightest skin in the USA its all about the features baby, like you can't be light and ugly lol yea right |
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Eliza704
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Thanks reneed u said it my chocolate sista
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PrincessMo (f)
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Nothin wrong with dark skin,
DARK IS BEAUTIFUL!! I'm dark and lovely!!
But I ain't gunno lie. I love ma light skinned
man, dang!! Like u kno that milk chocolate
tone, make me wunna eat him all up!!! *YUM*
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Shaunts
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Well first of all I don't think that being light skinned is better than anyone because there are beautiful women all over no matter the color, size, or age. I think it's very ignorant when people think they are better because of their skin color. I am a Native American woman and I am attracted a dark skin man, which is my husband. When i met him i didn't see the skin color, I seen other qualities that made me attracted to him. He is the first black man that I have been with, but he treated me better than any other man that i have ever been associated with and it had nothing to do with the skin color. Some people say that all black men are no good, they beat their women, they all do drugs, and don't take care of their families. I don't think that is true, it could be any man of any color to do those things. I have heard some ignorant remarks from a couple black women. One day my husband and i were at walmart, I was pregnant about 8 mos and a black woman came up to my husband and asked him "what's wrong with black women" and walked off. I was offended. I have also heard that I was the reason there are no more good black men left because of girls like me, that us light skin women are taking all their men. I was offened. I think that all people have different experiences growing up giving them different opinions. I don't have nothing against dark skin women or light skin women, we are all beautiful in our own way no matter what people might say. I think if someone thinks they are better than you, they have issues within themselves that they need to work on, because putting one down to make them feel better is ignorant of them. I'm light skin but I can say that dark skin women are very beautiful women |
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genie1978
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If I cut you, and you bleed red, you are the same as anybody in this earth
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coco candy
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It's sad when I read or hear anyone saying that they don't like their skin color. Black skin is very precious. The darker we are the more protected we are from sun rays and the environment. Light skin is not more beautiful than dark skin. It never has and never will be. A light skin man or woman is not more beautiful or handsome than a darker skin man or woman. There are gorgeous light skin woman and gorgeous dark and very dark skin women.
I am not dark skin, however, I love to see my lighter, darker or brown skin brothers and sister. What's more important to me is how we treat each other.
When are we going to stop disrespecting our wonderful, God given beauty and accept each other. Look in the mirror! You are beautiful, handsome in your own way. Accept the light and the dark, the different cultures, the different religions as long as they are not destroying you or your family. The last 200 years has been a put down for people of colour. We need to stop it now and accept one another and teach our children to accept others and themselves. I read a wonderful book called "Destini the Chocolate Princess," and it elaborated on the beauty of black men and women. I loved it. We ought to love ourselves. We are worth it.
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Scopium (m)
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I prefer beauty to colour, matter fact, I DON'T SEE COLOUR!
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