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cgift (m)
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Horus et al,
This is what really happens when people seek too much knowledge. The wont be able to draw the line and before they know it, poof! They are into the other side not initially intended.
Again, all these happen when out of too much curiosity and inherent hatred for the truth and deep reasoning, we deliberately subvert the truth and would rather lay hold of dubious, fictions and fables or stories passed down but wothout basis?
Do you know that what we have today in very broad terms are actually blood brothers? The three sons of Noah who worshipped Jehovah God as we have in the bible, i.e. Shem, Ham and Japhet are the fathers of the broad races we have today? When i say broad races, i mean - Caucasians, Blacks and the Middle Easterners? Japheth is the father of the whites (Caucasians), Ham - the father of the blacks or hamitic people and Shem, the father of the middle easterners (including Isrealites and Arabs put together)? Do you know the pronouncements that their father Noah made on each of his three sons and what he said about their respective futures? Do you mind studying the bible to see how the past prophecies of Noah and other prophets are coming to pass concerning racism and the plan of God for all these races in the end times?
Do you know the special promises God has for the physical Israelites - then spiritual Isrealites? Why dont you take time to understand God through his words - The Bible? Mind-settling answers to all these racism issues are clearly outlined in the scriptures.
If you know and understand these, you will have less trouble understanding racism. Racism cannot be stopped by any human efforts. The only solution which can stop it is reconciliation in Christ. As long as some people continue to deried and deny Christ by all means possible, they will never know peace. This is because, He is the only solution to racism and all other problems of the world. I for one, I laugh at the very stupid tensions in the middle east between blood brothers. Those who think the bible is against the Arabs (the descendants of Ishmeal - who today make mot of the muslim worlds) are just bold-faced liars! The muslim reader (especially if from the middle east) can seek to take a ride with me as I show him the kind of future that God of the Bible has for him through Christ for the future. They have a special place which they themsleves do not know which is as a result of the special focus God placed on Ishma-el the son of Hagar! The arabian muslim will then see what hope no other book or person can offer him when he comes to Christ of the Bible.
To those who talk about the control by the white man over the blacks, are you surprised? Do not be. It was meant to be. Their father, Noah, wanted it that way and pronounced it so. Ever wondered about slave trade you are usually angry about? It was clearly foretold in the Bible with the same foundation laid by Noah. Oh! Is it the troubles in the middle east? Thr ground work was laid by the father Noah also.
In these scheme of things however, the black man was not favoured cos of his grave error against his father.
Care to know the story of your true past and how it affects the present with the plan of God for the future, grab your copy of the bible and have a deep study and reflection with God.
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Horus (m)
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@cgift
There are two things that are infinite:Your stupidity and the universe, and I'm not too sure about the universe.
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Blackcat (f)
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There is no smoke without fire. Guys educate me
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cgift (m)
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@cgift
There are two things that are infinite:Your stupidity and the universe, and I'm not too sure about the universe.
But why the rage? Even if you are frustrated, you dont need to show it in front of your son. Be matured a bit your age notwithstanding. Did I deride you in any way? I was thinking my submission would pave way for some nice chat but unfortunately it was lost on you. You probably are not havinga good day. Nevertheless, cheer up! Your Nubians were blacks, descendants of Ham (the father of Cush and grand father of Nimrod), who were under the curse of their great-great---grand father, Noah due to Ham's misbehaviour after the great flood. The blacks continued to revel largely in their inordinate lifestyles and paganism which continued to put them under the curse of God despite their being under the curse of man (their father). This was the beginning of the black man's problems : Genesis 9:27; God shall enlarge Japheth, and he (Japheth) shall dwell in the tents of Shem (Jews and Arabs); and Canaan (Hamites and black race) shall be his servant (slaves). Horus, your Nubians were very black people and dealt very wickedly against the Hebrews when they conquered Egypt. Joseph successfully throgh the plan of God brought his family into Egypt (Africa) to escape the famine in their region then. The king (pharoah) was very friendly to Joseph and his family due partly to the favour of dream interpretation and wise counsel that Joseph gave the king. But the bible talsk of another king who knew not Joseph. How is it possible for another king not to know Joseph and his family after Joseph's death if he had been in Egypt and had been there when the Jews started growing expanding in the land of Goshen into mainstream Egypt even after jospeh's death? This was the period the Nubians invaded Egypt and ruled. They were very brutal to the Jews. The bible gives us this account of hisotry. The old tension and family division, which resulted from Ham's profane behavior at Ararat, was still there in Egypt, so God mercifully rescued His people from Egypt as given in the account of the Exodus. The blacks of course where the first to perpertuate slavery  . It just seemed like an evened score when the table turned around and we were plundered as well. Horus, calm down okay. Paganism was Ham's children's handiwork. Right from canaan - the Israelites were afraid to go into canaan to face the black men there  They were ripe in paganism. It angers God cos He is a jealous God and wants your worship and not ancestral worship. Your ancestors that you seek to worshi were created by this same God. Worship the creator and not his creatures! Our discussion continues shortly. |
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focused (m)
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@cgift :
I enjoyed your contribution to say the least.
I never knew Shem, Ham and Japheth were of different race and yet of the same father.
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Horus (m)
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But why the rage? Even if you are frustrated, you don't need to show it in front of your son. Rage?,how?,When?  I was just telling you a fact. This was the period the Nubians invaded Egypt and ruled. Fake statement,The Egyptian were Black Negroid.  Queen Tiye (Grandmother of King Tutankhamun)The blacks continued to revel largely in their inordinate lifestyles and paganism which continued to put them under the curse of God despite their being under the curse of man (their father). Absolute CRAP!! and white Supremecist PROPAGANDA!! Canaan was pale skinned.The Caucasian, Albino, Ghost or Moon man was created or grown by 3 ether spirit forces called Sin, The Moon God. They were created during the Winter or Death cycle in Nature, The right CYCLE and SEASON for this to occur. The Bible refers to him as Canaan in Genesis Chapter 9 verse 25. He is the Cursed 4th son of Ham, and he was cursed to be a servant of servants to his brothers called Hammites, Easterners or Asiatics a branch of the East Indian or Hindu Race. That is why they are called Indo-Europeans. In the book of Leviticus Chapter 14 verse 33-34 Moses is told by the God of the bible that there is a curse of leprosy in the land of Canaan. The word for leprosy in the Hebrew language is 'Tsawsarah' which means a malignant skin disease. This disease is called Albinism today, a term used for species that are melanin recessive. The Cursed Seed,Canaanite, Tamahu(Created Filth) The Winter or Death Seed of the Races If you look further in Leviticus Chapter 13 verse 30 and also verse 36, you will see that these Cursed Albinos had yellow thin hair, today they call it blonde hair, which is really Fur not hair. Notice how the name Canaan and Canine, the term used for dogs, phonetically sound the same. Caucasians or Canaanites are genetically related to the dog, that's why a Caucasian will care for or love a dog more than they will a human. This is where the term 'Man's best friend' came from. He is a man, we are not, we are GODS. They are the PERSONIFICATION of DEATH and they are the NATURAL OPPOSITE of the NUWBUN RACE. The name for this Leprosy mentioned in Leviticus Chapter 13 and 14 is called in the Hebrew language 'Tsawsarah' pronounced ta-sa-ra, which means a malignent skin disease. So the plague in this 'house' was not mildew, it was a 'Tsawsarah' an ailment in the skin, today called Albinism or lack of Melanin. The confusion comes in when reading it in the English language and not the original language of the Torah which is Aramic Hebrew, because the English language has things such synonyms, anonyms and homonyms you can interpret these Text in many different ways. This is not the case when reading it in the original tongue, there is no room for misinterpretation, because the ancient languages were more clear and concise than modern languages. If you go even further you will find in Leviticus 13:30 that the Lord of the bible is describing these plague or cursed people as having 'yellow thin hair' and that they are unclean. The Hebrew word for yellow in this verse 'tsahob' meaning golden in color or yellow. I think we all know who this is describing. Let's look further, according to Numbers 12:10 Miriam the sister of Moses and Aaron was cursed to be 'leprous,white as snow', Deuteronomy 24:8-9 says that this is the same leprosy from Leviticus. This leprosy is also mentioned in 2nd Kings 5:27 as making Namaan the son of Benjamin and his seed 'white as snow'. This leprosy or Tsasaraw would cause ones skin to become as white as snow. So as you can see this 'curse' and the people that have it are clearly defined in the bible, if it was just read thoroughly and in it's original language. As a matter of fact according to Genesis 24:3, Genesis 24:37 and Genesis 28:1 the lord god of the bible forbids Abraham and his sons not to ever mixed their seed with or have children by these cursed filthy white people. I hope this clears this matter up. |
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Blackcat (f)
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Cain killed his brother and God caused him and put a mark on him so that whoever saw him will not kill him but God never changed the cause. We are the descendants of Cain and still carry the cause and the mark (Dark skin)
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Horus (m)
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I cannot believe that in 2008 african still believe that melanin is a curse .Melanin is NOT a curse,melanin is a blessing because melanin protect you from catching skin cancer.You found melanin in humans,animals,and plants.Melanin is a Natural element.Melanin is as old as the Universe. |
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goodguy (m)
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@cgift
I'm not a good student of History, neither am I so versed in the Bible anymore (long story), but I find your views quite interesting. So you mean, Noah gave birth to three children who belonged to different races?
By the way, I think Noah was an highly irresponsible man, going by what transpired in Genesis 9:21-25.
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jagunlabi (m)
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Boy oh boy!I hope not too many christian blacks share your dumbness(I don't hold much hope,though) Dark skin complexion is a curse?Is that what your bible tells you,or you are just in a fever of misinterpretation?WOW! Cain killed his brother and God caused him and put a mark on him so that whoever saw him will not kill him but God never changed the cause. We are the descendants of Cain and still carry the cause and the mark (Dark skin)
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jagunlabi (m)
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Do you know that what we have today in very broad terms are actually blood brothers? The three sons of Noah who worshipped Jehovah God as we have in the bible, i.e. Shem, Ham and Japhet are the fathers of the broad races we have today? When i say broad races, i mean - Caucasians, Blacks and the Middle Easterners? Japheth is the father of the whites (Caucasians), Ham - the father of the blacks or hamitic people and Shem, the father of the middle easterners (including Isrealites and Arabs put together)? Do you know the pronouncements that their father Noah made on each of his three sons and what he said about their respective futures? Do you mind studying the bible to see how the past prophecies of Noah and other prophets are coming to pass concerning racism and the plan of God for all these races in the end times? This is the result of not seeking enough knowledge.Before you know it,POOF!You are dumb for eternity! When you've turned to a brainless vegetable,this is the kind of crap you spew. Junks like this get dumped on your lap and all you do is gubbled it hook line and sinker. Why don't you pause and reread that crap you just wrote? Shege! :oWith nigerians who think like this,our future is doomed. |
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mazaje (m)
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Do you know that what we have today in very broad terms are actually blood brothers? The three sons of Noah who worshipped Jehovah God as we have in the bible, i.e. Shem, Ham and Japhet are the fathers of the broad races we have today? When i say broad races, i mean - Caucasians, Blacks and the Middle Easterners? Japheth is the father of the whites (Caucasians), Ham - the father of the blacks or hamitic people and Shem, the father of the middle easterners (including Isrealites and Arabs put together)? Do you know the pronouncements that their father Noah made on each of his three sons and what he said about their respective futures? Do you mind studying the bible to see how the past prophecies of Noah and other prophets are coming to pass concerning racism and the plan of God for all these races in the end times ? Who then is the father of the orientals(chinese, japaness,koreans and mongolians?) since the bible only mentioned 3 races? how come they have never been mentioned in the bible? who is the father of the indians and south americans? who is the father of the indians in bolivia,chile,brazil and columbia? the only race mentioned in the bible are middle easterns, caucasians and the black race because those were they only people that the writers of the bible knew about at that time, they didnt know about the indains and the chinese not because they didnt exist but because they didnt know about them that was why they were'nt included in the bible. Religion to me is just the understanding of the supernatural through the perception and believe of people, Chritianity is purely a white man's religion while islam is purely an arab man's religion, buddahism is the way people in china understand god while hinduism is the way people in south east asia understand the supernatural being.before they white people and arabs came black people had their own beliefs and worshiped their own gods, why is there no mention of china or india in the bible the countries with the highest population on earth? the answer is simple because the people that wrote the bible did not know that a place called china or india existed at that time if not they would have included them in the bible and told them of gods plan for them too. nonsense. |
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pilgrim.1 (f)
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@mazaje, Religion to me is just the understanding of the supernatural through the perception and believe of people, Chritianity is purely a white man's religion while islam is purely an arab man's religion, Islam was established by a white man. The sources in Islam clearly said that Muhammad was a white man: Sahih Bukhari, Vol. 1, Book 3, Num. 63: Narrated Anas bin Malik: While we were sitting with the Prophet in the mosque,
a man came riding on a camel. He made his camel kneel down in the mosque,
tied its foreleg and then said: "Who amongst you is Muhammad?" At that time
the Prophet was sitting amongst us (his companions) leaning on his arm.
We replied, "This white man reclining on his arm." |
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mazaje (m)
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Shut the F up you stupid bigot, of all the things i stated islam is the only thing you saw, keep deluding your self you deranged lunatic, instead of trying to explain why china and india (the most populated nations on earth) where not mentioned and chronicled in the bible islam is the only thing you saw.
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Blackcat (f)
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Boy oh boy!I hope not too many christian blacks share your dumbness(I don't hold much hope,though) Dark skin complexion is a curse?Is that what your bible tells you,or you are just in a fever of misinterpretation?WOW! Genesis 4: 17- 22 17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch. 18 And unto Enoch was born Irad: and Irad begat Mehujael: and Mehujael begat Methusael: and Methusael begat Lamech. 19 And Lamech took unto him two wives: the name of the one was Adah, and the name of the other Zillah. 20 And Adah bare Jabal: he was the father of such as dwell in tents, and of such as have cattle. (Hausa and Fulani) 21 And his brother's name was Jubal: he was the father of all such as handle the harp and organ. (Blacks are masters of music) 22 And Zillah, she also bare Tubalcain, an instructer of every artificer in brass and iron: and the sister of Tubalcain was Naamah. (Blacks are very good with their hands, very innovative) Need I say more |
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pilgrim.1 (f)
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@mazaje, Shut the F up you stupid bigot, of all the things i stated islam is the only thing you saw, keep deluding your self you deranged lunatic, instead of trying to explain why china and india (the most populated nations on earth) where not mentioned and chronicled in the bible islam is the only thing you saw. There really is no need for all the over-reaction, unless a simple answer to your fallacies really got you re-thinking your misconseptions. If you want answers, ask nicely - and you will get them. Cheers. |
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mazaje (m)
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@mazaje,
There really is no need for all the over-reaction, unless a simple answer to your fallacies really got you re-thinking your misconseptions.
If you want answers, ask nicely - and you will get them. Cheers.
Ok pls tell us where the bible talked about china and india. Genesis 4: 17- 22
17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.
18 And unto Enoch was born Irad: and Irad begat Mehujael: and Mehujael begat Methusael: and Methusael begat Lamech.
19 And Lamech took unto him two wives: the name of the one was Adah, and the name of the other Zillah.
20 And Adah bare Jabal: he was the father of such as dwell in tents, and of such as have cattle. (Hausa and Fulani)
21 And his brother's name was Jubal: he was the father of all such as handle the harp and organ. (Blacks are masters of music)
22 And Zillah, she also bare Tubalcain, an instructer of every artificer in brass and iron: and the sister of Tubalcain was Naamah. (Blacks are very good with their hands, very innovative)
Need I say more
you are lost i most say |
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Blackcat (f)
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you are lost i most say
Then find me and deliver me |
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cgift (m)
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It is unfortunate that some people are not cultured enough to mix among humans despite living amidst humans (how am I even sure?). Real men dont loose their heads over nothing. Be calm and perhaps you might learn one or two things. Even if you disagree with something, let sanity prevail over your shortcomings and ask questions politely rather than resort to vulgar words. Nobody has a monopoly of derogatory words mind you.
Jagunlabi and blackcat,
I am not one of those who believe that melanin is a curse. In actual fact, everyone has melanin but in different proportions. Its only black supremacists proponents who have nothing to show for it anyways thatwould say erringly that the white man lacks melanin. Its not true.
Horus, that the skin of the whites are what it is does not imply that they are albinos as you would want us to believe. It is not so.
Mazaje is somewhat inquisitive concerning the silence of the scriptures.
Fundamentally, Adam and Eve were created with the inhenret genetic capabilities to produce different races. The experience at the tower of babel isworth mentioning here. When God confused the languages of men, theyhad no option but to look for the few who could understand themselves so that they can resettle elsewhere. Now, their regathering implied that people with varying amount of pigmentation must have come together and given birth to offsprings of slightly different colourations or amounts of melanin.
Your ward could be lighter than both parents. That is very true and cannot be unfounded.
Ham firstborn was Cush who later gave birth to Nimrod. Cush (Kush) is traceable more to Africa now that anyother part of the world.
I have got to rush home. More on this tomorrow especially with the man looking for China in the bible.
Many thanks,
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Horus (m)
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that the skin of the whites are what it is does not imply that they are albinos as you would want us to believe. It is not so.
I am NOT trying to make anybody believe,this is a FACT. ANY living organism who lack melanin is ALBINO.(Look at the definition of Albinism in the medical dictionary) |
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mazaje (m)
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author=Horus link=topic=93545.msg1851950#msg1851950 date=1200345583]
I am NOT trying to make anybody believe,this is a FACT.
ANY living organism who lack melanin is ALBINO.(Look at the definition of Albinism in the medical dictionary)
Hey stop your stupid, baseless and unfounded fallacies, we are all tired of it you directionless fibber, your hatred for the white man should not lead you to such dispecable lies. what do you mean by declaring that the white an is part man and part beast? are you on cheap drugs? some people never fail to amaze me. Religion to me as i aforementioned is the understanding of the supernatural through the perceptions and believes of people. The white people and jews believe in reaching to god through christianity and judaism, a close look at the christain religion will reveal to any objective person the refelection of the white man's Ideals,culture,belief, conception and understanding of the world he lives in and how he connects it all to his god through christianity, islam on the other hand is just the understanding of the supernatural and the world in which he lives in an arabs man's perpective, a closer look at the religion too will show a refelction of how he understands life, how he believes it should be lived, how he connects to his surronding environment and how he connects it all to his supernatural god. Hinduism, budahism and all the other religions are more like cultures associated with people's beliefs and how they connect it to their supernatural being. i still find it hard to believe that china and japan with all their great history and achievements were not mentioned in the bible, should one wonder why? the white people at that time never knew that such places existed hence the ommision or lack of chronicle, the bible only gives account of the whites, blacks and arabs because those were the people that were relating with the writers and founders of the christain religion at that time. If the christain god is a god of the whole world then he would have reveal him self to the whole world regardless of the distance, tribe or location the people found them selves. Imagine china had been existing at that time yet nothing was said about them or did the christain god not have a message for them too? i still find it hard to believe that the most populated countries on earth(Indai and China) wre not mentioned in the bible. The koran never made mention of the americas, nothing was said of the american indians who reside in south america, these people have been existing since pre islamic times but they were never mentioned simple because islam like christianity is the religion of the arabs and those that founded the religion equated it to their daily struggles as a people, they didnt include anything or any group of people that they did'nt know existed at that time. The question here too is that does allah not have plans for the people living in the americas? why was there no message or mention of them during the time of the prophet of allah and in the book of allah? If the chinese or indians were the ones that discovered africa and had as much influence as the whites most of africa would have been practsing their religions. All religions were created out of the fear of the many and the cleverness of the few. |
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oziomatv (m)
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This site is getting interesting
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Horus (m)
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Hey stop your stupid, baseless and unfounded fallacies, we are all tired of it you directionless fibber, your hatred for the white man should not lead you to such dispecable lies. what do you mean by declaring that the white an is part man and part beast? are you on cheap drugs? some people never fail to amaze me.
mess Off mazaje, Albinism is mentioned in the medical dictionary,so what? Where is the hatred?.The medical dictionary is a lie? And I repeat again,ANY living organism who lack melanin (Human or animal) is ALBINO.So what?.What wrong with that?.(Look AGAIN at the definition of Albinism in the medical dictionary). Albinism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albinism |
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cgift (m)
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I think you guys should grow up and leave al lthese name trading. Lets face the real issues. Mazaje, I know Horus's disposition is unfortunately racist in nature but if he has said something no correct or supported by FACTS, we should set him straight.
Horus, no body doubts the meaning of the word ALBINISM that you have asserted. What we doubt is your presupposition that the whites (caucasians) lack pigmentation. We need genuine facts to that effect supported by science. Show to us that the whites completely lack melanin.
You may want to probably consider why so many whites like hanging out in the beach under the sun and staying that long under it. If they actually lack melanin, why dont they all get sunburned? Even you back in the tropics, do you not use shades in the sun? So, whats this propangada of whites not having melanin? I repeat - whites do but in smaller proportions and that does not make them cursed.
Back to the book of Leviticus you quoted earlier.
For thiose who want t oread the full scripture, it is given in Lev. 12 : 1 - 36. But for the benefit of this discussion, I would pick highlight verse. Vs 22: , And if it spread abroad in the skin, then the priest shall pronounce him unclean: it is a plague.
23. Butif the bright spot stay in his place, and spread not, it is a burning boil, and the priest shall pronounce him clean.
24. Or if there by any flesh, in the skin whereof there is a hot burning, and the quick flesh that burneth have a white bright spot, somewhat reddish, or white;
25 Then the priest shall look upon it; and, behold, if the hair in the bright spot be turned white, and it be in sight deeper than the skin; itis a leprosy broken out of the burning: whereof the priest shall pronounce him unclean: it is the plague of leprosy. ,
From the above, the scenario being painted by Horus is far from being true. Albinism and leprosy are two very different things. You have tried to make the two look as if they are the same whereas they are not.
The scripture above clearly talsk about spots on the body as a pre-requisite for determining whom to take to the priests for check up before any declarations as to whether he has leprosy or not. It does not in any way indicate that the because the skin colour is white, then the person has leprosy. mid you, leprosy, which the bible passage mentions is not related to melanin in anyway. You may wish to also prove that to us. The condition being described in the bible is leprosy and not albinism.
China in the bible
What you have failed to realise is that the bible is not a book of a list of nations for you to have expected all nations of the earth to be mentioned in it. It also then follows that The fact that it does not mention the names of those places does not mean that God does not know they exist. Several parts of the whole world are mentioned in the bible for specific purposes and in r3elation to the plan of God for different peoples, lands and the whole mankind at large. If I might ask, what cardinal point do you have india and china you have mentioned for instance. I need to be sure so that I would know how to answer you.
THe mark onCain;s skin
You are probably telling me that the mark God said he would put on Cain was not a mark but an entire colouration of the man from hwead to toe. That leaves more questions than answers you know. A mark is a mark. The bible is silent about the kind of mark but it has nothing to do with races.
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dafidixone (m)
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My own submision on the issue of race will be that God Created Man ( Colour not specified, but Image). It is out of curiosity that we try to provide answers to some problem that does not really matters. Anyway, man was always like that from the begining. However, I think the Bible gave a comprehensive account of how all began. God said be fruitful and multiply. 2X2 e.t.c Every thing started from the Tower of Babel, have we forgoting the history of Creation and Man?  Now coming from that angle the bible made it clear that there are White and Black race. Remember the Ethiopians were metioned in the Bible? They are the one that suggest to us there are blacks in human race. God did not place any race above the other, but He (God) placed His word above everything. Black or White you serve God in Spirit and in Truth you are the best. Everything called racial descrimination falls from wickedness in high places. For Example, Pastor E. A. Adeboye is not and Istrealite and God uses him to talk to the world and likes of them. Dedicate your life to Christ today, then you will be a citizen of God's Kingdom there no racial descrimination. Peace be unto all |
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Horus (m)
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I never said that they completely lack melanin.I just said lack.In fact I should have used the words deficiency in melanin or less melanin instead of lack of melanin.
Caucasian DO have melanin but not enought,so they are melanin deficient.
You are trying to make us believe that JUST saying that somebody do not have enought pigmentation or melanin is a racist saying.This is RIDICULOUS.
So the dictionary is racist?
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olabowale (m)
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@Davidylan: I wish you can read what my main man Cgist puts down on Black people: The slaves of white people. By the way, the Arabs are not truly whites, based on the opinions of the 'fake Arian nation,' the European bloodlines. If we read from the Hindu's, the symbol of Arian supremacy, the Swatstika, itself is Hindu symbols, and the Indians are a lot older than Europeans among the family of Man. Your Nubians were blacks, descendants of Ham (the father of Cush and grand father of Nimrod), who were under the curse of their great-great---grand father, Noah due to Ham's misbehaviour after the great flood. The blacks continued to revel largely in their inordinate lifestyles and paganism which continued to put them under the curse of God despite their being under the curse of man (their father). This was the beginning of the black man's problems : Genesis 9:27; God shall enlarge Japheth, and he (Japheth) shall dwell in the tents of Shem (Jews and Arabs); and Canaan (Hamites and black race) shall be his servant (slaves).[/qote] We see that your Bible, davidylan put a curse on the Black race. This you will not find in the Qur'an! And if you can find it, I will like to see it, front and center! Finally, Alhamdulillah that Muhammad bloodline from the house of Ibrahim, has a clearly marked outline from the house of Pharaoh. This was along time before the Israelites came in to Egypt. We therefore realised that the people who were Egyptians were Black people. Looking at the condition of Hajar, we will understand that there is no way a Princess of the status from the house of Pharaoh at that time could have been given to a person, regardless of his nobility as a slave!
There goes the first 'theory/statement of the Bible,' about her status! Muhammad was reported to have a woolly/curly hair. Unlike the straight hair of the orientals or the Europeans, for the most part. It was also reported that Muhammad, when in Prostration, in Islamic prayer, his armpit will be exposed! The color of that armpit was white. It means that his armpit was lighter that his skin color. Muhammad being raised by Black African wet nurse and dark skin Halima, we do see him as dark, but European or Arian white.
By the way there are no true white color among mankind! Its very shameful that the Bible condemn noble Prophets and accuse them of various indiscretions. Take the case of Noah above. The Bible actually forgets that Noah and his daughters were not the only people saved in the boat/vessel that Noah was ordered to construct and seeked safety in. There were males and females from Mankind in it, along with the animals, (the animals the Bible never forgot to mention). There was no reason, therefore for a Prophet/Messenger of God, who God saved some and destroyed the rest of mankind from to be involved in incest! God would not let something like that happen. Afterall, there were women who were not his daughters or his sisters from among the saved.
And we did not know if marriage between siblings was forbidden at that time, which the children of Adam and Eve practiced!
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Blackcat (f)
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Okay even if being black means having more melanin then cain was cursed to have more of it (the mark). Don't forget that God placed lots of curses then below are a list of other curses that are still evident in our everyday life.
1. The curse of pain during child birth.
16To the woman He said,
"I will greatly multiply
Your pain in childbirth,
In pain you will (Q)bring forth children;
Yet your desire will be for your husband,
And (R)he will rule over you." (Genesis 3:16)
2. Curse of man ruling over a woman.
16To the woman He said,
"I will greatly multiply
Your pain in childbirth,
In pain you will (Q)bring forth children;
Yet your desire will be for your husband,
And (R)he will rule over you." (Genesis 3:16)
3. Curse of Man's labour
17Then to Adam He said, "Because you have listened to the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree about which I commanded you, saying, 'You shall not eat from it';
(S)Cursed is the ground because of you;
(T)In toil you will eat of it
All the days of your life.
18"Both thorns and thistles it shall grow for you;
And you will eat the plants of the field;
19By the sweat of your face
You will eat bread,
Till you (You)return to the ground,
Because (V)from it you were taken;
For you are dust,
And to dust you shall return." (Genesis 3:17-19)
4. Curse of the snake moving on its stomach:
The LORD God said to the serpent," [Deut 28:15-20] Because you have done this,Cursed are you more than all cattle,And more than every beast of the field;On your belly you will go,And [Is 65:25; Mic 7:17] dust you will eatAll the days of your life; (Genesis 3:14)
Conclusion: "After the great flood the whole world was destroyed and restarted afresh by Noah." but the curses survived the flood. I still believe we are the descendants of Cain (Unless proven otherwise).
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pilgrim.1 (f)
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@olabowale, By the way, the Arabs are not truly whites, based on the opinions of the 'fake Arian nation,' the European bloodlines. I sympathize with you. That would also mean that Muhammad as an Arab was "not truly white" according to your submission. Whcih again would mean that his companions were wrong to have assumed that he was indeed a "white man", yes?  |
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pilgrim.1 (f)
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@Blackcat, Don't forget that God placed lots of curses then below are a list of other curses that are still evident in our everyday life.
1. The curse of pain during child birth.
16To the woman He said,
"I will greatly multiply
Your pain in childbirth,
In pain you will (Q)bring forth children;
Yet your desire will be for your husband,
And (R)he will rule over you." (Genesis 3:16)
2. Curse of man ruling over a woman.
16To the woman He said,
"I will greatly multiply
Your pain in childbirth,
In pain you will (Q)bring forth children;
Yet your desire will be for your husband,
And (R)he will rule over you." (Genesis 3:16) I'm sorry, but the verses you quoted do not imply any "curse" at all. Many people have read the word "curse" into those verses by personal pretexts; but the Bible does not throw words carelessly about as we often do! Read the verses again, and you will see that they do not refer to curses - and so they could not have survived as "curses" through to this age! In the Genesis 3 narratives, there was ONLY one being out of the characters mentioned there that was actually "cursed" - and that is this verse you quoted: 4. Curse of the snake moving on its stomach:
The LORD God said to the serpent," [Deut 28:15-20] Because you have done this,Cursed are you more than all cattle,And more than every beast of the field;On your belly you will go,And [Is 65:25; Mic 7:17] dust you will eatAll the days of your life; (Genesis 3:14) Please understand here that the implications of placing a curse on Adam and Eve would simply make God's promise of redemption in Genesis 3:15 INEFFECTIVE!! When the Redeemer was borne, He was said to have been born of "a woman" (Gal. 4:4), and there was no hint anywhere in Scripture that the Incarnation was a miracle out of a cursed being!! Please try and grasp this understanding so you don't assume what is not in Scripture. To assume things that Scripture does not teach is to fall headlong into deeper fallacy and arrive at issues that deny the glorious redemption we have in Christ. Shalom.  |
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Blackcat (f)
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@Blackcat, I'm sorry, but the verses you quoted do not imply any "curse" at all. Many people have read the word "curse" into those verses by personal pretexts; but the Bible does not throw words carelessly about as we often do! Read the verses again, and you will see that they do not refer to curses - and so they could not have survived as "curses" through to this age! In the Genesis 3 narratives, there was ONLY one being out of the characters mentioned there that was actually "cursed" - and that is this verse you quoted: Please understand here that the implications of placing a curse on Adam and Eve would simply make God's promise of redemption in Genesis 3:15 INEFFECTIVE!! When the Redeemer was borne, He was said to have been born of "a woman" (Gal. 4:4), and there was no hint anywhere in Scripture that the Incarnation was a miracle out of a cursed being!! Please try and grasp this understanding so you don't assume what is not in Scripture. To assume things that Scripture does not teach is to fall headlong into deeper fallacy and arrive at issues that deny the glorious redemption we have in Christ. Shalom. Mr chrislam. Please we are not discussing the Koran here but the Bible. These are curses because Eve and Adam sinned and all where cursed. Would you have preferred if the word 'cursed' was used in every paragraph so that those who are slow to grasp things will know that God was melting out punishment for the wrong done? Curse is defined as: 1. To invoke evil or misfortune upon; damn. 2. To swear at. 3. To bring evil upon; afflict: was cursed with crippling arthritis. 4. Ecclesiastical. To put under a ban or an anathema; excommunicate and after all the curses God drove them out of the garden of Eden because of their sin. Genesis 3:2424 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life. |
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