Who Did Abraham Nearly Sacrifice: Ishmael Or Isaac?

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candy (f)
Re: Who Did Abraham Nearly Sacrifice: Ishmael Or Isaac?
« #32 on: April 21, 2008, 07:41 AM »

HER EXCELLENCEY, THE MODERATOR, I wonder why my posts were removed! I smell cowardice. . . just because I said(and I repeat) that you have no right to change the word IMOLE( Grin)  to the great religion! I know you'll remove this(or ban me), no worries.
samba123 (m)
Re: Who Did Abraham Nearly Sacrifice: Ishmael Or Isaac?
« #33 on: April 21, 2008, 09:21 AM »

Quote from: candy on April 21, 2008, 07:41 AM
HER EXCELLENCEY, THE MODERATOR, I wonder why my posts were removed! I smell cowardice. . . just because I said(and I repeat) that you have no right to change the word IMOLE( omo to ni iya oun o ni sun, oun naa o ni foju ba orun;D) to the great religion! I know you'll remove this(or ban me), no worries.

Just stick to the Topic lol  Undecided
cgift (m)
Re: Who Did Abraham Nearly Sacrifice: Ishmael Or Isaac?
« #34 on: April 21, 2008, 10:39 AM »

Quote from: samba123 on April 21, 2008, 09:21 AM
Just stick to the Topic lol  Undecided

What topic when Seun's employee is yanking off people's posts. murkiness be careful o. Like i said ealier, yanking off people's posts wont add to your pay o. Now restore my post on Prophet MO's plagiarist's expertise  Grin
jennykadry (f)
Re: Who Did Abraham Nearly Sacrifice: Ishmael Or Isaac?
« #35 on: April 21, 2008, 08:24 PM »

*do i really need to ansa this Huh*

ofcourse its isaac ,did u not read your bible Huh
mukina2 (f)
Re: Who Did Abraham Nearly Sacrifice: Ishmael Or Isaac?
« #36 on: April 21, 2008, 08:35 PM »

Quote from: samba123 on April 21, 2008, 09:21 AM
Just stick to the Topic lol  Undecided
thanks Smiley


nwandolina (f)
Re: Who Did Abraham Nearly Sacrifice: Ishmael Or Isaac?
« #37 on: April 22, 2008, 11:07 PM »

hmm
olabowale (m)
Re: Who Did Abraham Nearly Sacrifice: Ishmael Or Isaac?
« #38 on: April 23, 2008, 11:50 AM »

@Igbo_Lady: You are taking this stage names too far! Nwandolina? Woman its too much. If you don't stop, I will take your case to the council of the elders, where you have to bring Kolanuts, and all that will be needed to be brought. Or should I just tell Zainab to sue you in Owerri High Court?

Stop partial plagiarising of names. Its really unbecoming. Na today! lol.
Eclairs
Re: Who Did Abraham Nearly Sacrifice: Ishmael Or Isaac?
« #39 on: April 28, 2008, 09:48 AM »

@post

DEAD. NO query at al. Mi bible tell me its Isaac so wot u on about?

huxley (m)
Re: Who Did Abraham Nearly Sacrifice: Ishmael Or Isaac?
« #40 on: April 28, 2008, 10:50 AM »

Genesis 22: 12   And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only [son] from me.

If god is omniscient, how come he did not know that Abraham fearest him and needed to put him and Isaac through this reprehensible ordeal just to find that out?
cgift (m)
Re: Who Did Abraham Nearly Sacrifice: Ishmael Or Isaac?
« #41 on: April 29, 2008, 12:21 PM »

Quote from: huxley on April 28, 2008, 10:50 AM
Genesis 22: 12   And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only [son] from me.

If god is omniscient, how come he did not know that Abraham fearest him and needed to put him and Isaac through this reprehensible ordeal just to find that out?

So that we can find examples of people who were tested and passed it and gain strength to face our own situations too. this boy  Angry
huxley (m)
Re: Who Did Abraham Nearly Sacrifice: Ishmael Or Isaac?
« #42 on: April 29, 2008, 01:10 PM »

Quote from: cgift on April 29, 2008, 12:21 PM
So that we can find examples of people who were tested and passed it and gain strength to face our own situations too. this boy  Angry

But god said "for now I know that thou fearest God".  Did god not know before  Abraham attempted to complied with the request?


I submit that that phrase indicates that he did not know. If he did not know, can he still be god?
olabowale (m)
Re: Who Did Abraham Nearly Sacrifice: Ishmael Or Isaac?
« #43 on: April 29, 2008, 01:56 PM »

But the understanding is different in Is/l/am. God is all knowing. And God commands total submission to Him. In the sacrifice commandment on Ibrahim about his son Ismail, God knew the end before it began. But the test was to kill all worldly attachment that may be represented by this only son, Ismail to Ibrahim, a man in his old age.

By obedience to God in the attempted sacrifice, Ibrahim saw for himself the power of his Lord to ransome with goodness his obedience. He did not know that before, since he did not know the future. His son was preserved alive and the birth of Isiaq was revealed to him, including the birth of a grand child Yaqub, coming from Isaiq.

Ibrahim faith in God the Almighty must have increased manifolds, without a measure of it.
olabowale (m)
Re: Who Did Abraham Nearly Sacrifice: Ishmael Or Isaac?
« #44 on: April 29, 2008, 02:11 PM »

@Huxley and company:       Lesson from the Great Trial of Sacrifice:

One of the things that the Hujjaj (the pilgrims to the house of God for Hajj) do on the 10th of Dhul Hijjah, and so do many Mu/sli/ms all over the world is to:

Slaughter a lamb, or a sheep, or a goat or a camel in remembrance of this great sacrifice of Prophet Ibrahim (AS).

This act is not mere a ritual but it has a meaning and a significance. Al/lah (SWT) has not commanded us to sacrifice animals because He (SWT) is bloodthirsty or meat hungry.

In Suratul Hajj, verses 36 and 37, He (SWT) has made it clear:

"Thus we have disposed them (animals) for your benefit so that you may give thanks." (22:36)

Then He (SWT) adds:

"It is not their flesh or their blood that reaches All/a/h. Rather it is your piety that reaches Him. Thus has He disposed them for your benefit so that you may magnify Al/la/h for His guiding you. And give good news to the virtuous." (22:37)

So what is the significance of offering sacrifice of animals on this day of Eid Al-Adha?

The answer to this question is simple.

A/lla/h (SWT) wants to train us to follow the path of Prophet Ibrahim (AS) who was willing to offer A/ll/ah (SWT) his dearest possession in form of his son Prophet Ismail (AS).

Al/l/ah (SWT) did not want Prophet Ismail (AS) to be sacrificed, but A/ll/a/h (SWT) wanted Prophet Ibrahim (AS) to show his willingness to (do away with worldly things and therefore acquire a greater relationship which is rewarding with his Lord) sacrifice Prophet Ismail (AS), which he (AS) did bravely.

Dr. Ali Shari'ati in his book, 'Philosophy of Hajj' writes and I quote:

"This is a story of man's perfection and his freedom from selfishness and animalistic desires. It is man's ascension to a higher spirit and loves, to a strong will that frees him from any thing that may hinder his responsibility as a conscious man."

In other words, A/l/la/h (SWT) is telling us:

On this day of Eid Al-Adha, you should select your Ismail and bring him to Mina! Who is your Ismail? Anything that is causing an obstruction for you to reach your Lord and fulfill your duties towards Him. Your Ismail could be:

Your wealth
Your job
Your rank
Your power
Your lust
Your greed
Your spouse
Your children

It could be anything and make sure that it is as dear to you as Prophet Ismail (AS) was to Prophet Ibrahim (AS).

As you are sacrificing an animal on this day, bear in mind that you are infact, sacrificing that dearest thing in your life and telling A/l/l/ah (SWT):

"O My Lord! Henceforth, this thing, which has been dearest to me in life, will not hinder me from reaching You and acquiring Your pleasure."

Imam Zainul Abideen (AS), talking about the significance of each and every ritual that is performed during Hajj, asked Shibli:

"As you slaughtered your sacrificial animal (during Hajj), did you intend to cut off the throat of greed (that is hidden in you) by clinging to the reality of Taqwa and to follow the exemplary tradition of Prophet Ibrahim (AS) who intended to slaughter his dear son Prophet Ismail (so as to discharge the command of Al/la/h)?"

Shibli said, "No!"

"In that case" said the Imam Zainul Abideen (AS) "You have not sacrificed your animal."

Similarly, whilst giving instructions to the Hujjaj (the pilgrims to the house of God for Hajj) Imam Jafar Sadiq (AS) said to them: "Cut the throat of carnal desires and greed by offering animal sacrifice."

We pray to A/l/la/h (SWT) on this great day of Eid Al-Adha to grant us with tawfeeq to follow in the path of Prophet Ibrahim (AS) and forgive all our past and future sins.

Source: http://www.almahdi.org.uk
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