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Kobojunkie
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Davidylan: Okay the lost or diluted or corrupted Injiil/Torah aka, the Bible, is like this:
after the Egusi Ijebu soul (Which by the nature of how the Ijebus make it, is somewhat watery
compared to how others make theirs, but that is beside the point), then say, a plate of it is
fixed for you with Eba, and you begin to eat. Say if you then decided to add ordinary water to
this soup, for a fuller boul of soup. What you have is this, you will have less granules of MELON
on every bolus of Eba, and as a result the taste will be less intensed, as it would diminished
in quality. This does not mean that there is no truth whatsoever between the covers of the BIBLE.
The litmus for any truth in it, is the agreement of that truth, in what is revealed in the Qur'an. You
should have no problems understanding this explanation. Use anything, pure cool aid, to the water
down cool aid, etc, etc.
COrrection. The Torah is not the Bible. Correction number 2. Incase you do not know your history and the contents of the books well. The Quran does not in any way tell the stories in the Torah or the Bible as it is told in those. The stories are completely opposite and so the one can not be litmus test for the others. I don't know if you have ever taken time out to read the 3 books you refer to in this case. The stories in the Torah go one way but the same stories in the Quran go the opposite way. How can the two books be the same if they are not telling the same stories?? And please, do not play the two different aspects excuse, we have seen that used too many times and still no headway. Another problem with your claim of a litmus test is that you are basically putting the blame on God and if I remember, God is supposed to be perfect in both books. So If a perfect God can make so many blunders by coming up with stories that completely oppose each other then that would be you saying that your God is not as perfect as you claim. He is prone to making mistakes that could cost billions their eternal souls. You can not pick up the Shakespears book and claim the book 10 things I did last summer is litmus test for the truth in the former. It does not work that way. Are you sure that is a path you want to take here?? @Olabowale??? Why are you not content with your belief as it is?? It is clear that these people do not care for what you are selling. Why do you NEED to put down what others believe so you can say yours is better even though it seems more like, with each post, you continue to shoot yourself in the foot and distance more people from even trying your belief?? |
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davidylan (m)
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Are you asking for the lost Gospel when you have been seeing missing verses in your bible and even some verses absent in early versions but present in later versions. Think man, this shows that it is corrupt. Where did the writer cull his own from when early version is not having the verses?
Forget about my "corrupt" bible, please produce the injil and torah allah sent or be silent! The litmus for any truth in it, is the agreement of that truth, in what is revealed in the Qur'an. You
should have no problems understanding this explanation. Use anything, pure cool aid, to the water
down cool aid, etc, etc.
If the litmus test for any truth is that it agrees with the quran then we would believe that: a. the world is flat b. the mountains are used as tent pegs to hold down the earth and prevent earth quakes c. man is made from blood clots (i.e fibrin meshes) d. Aaron is the uncle of Jesus Christ e.t.c. See why no rational mind can take your book serious? |
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babs787 (m)
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@Davidylan Forget about my "corrupt" bible, please produce the injil and torah allah sent or be silent! The missing verses shows that its corrupt, distorted. You have not been able to provide explanation to the missing verses in the bible. To nail you more, you claimed that the bible is not corrupt but I am telling you that the message given to them is not in its original state. Now, how do you reconcile a situation where a bible produced in years has verses missing while the latest edition is having the verses and all you could do was deny the corrupt book. If you really have the original manuscript, why are the verses missing in early edition but present in the latest. |
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pilgrim.1 (f)
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@olabowale, I have been very, very occupied the past week; but let me quickly run through your previous posts. Amongst all that you have posted in my absence, there are a few things that should help summarize why I converted from Islam to find salvation in Jesus Christ. Muslims cannot hope to interest any honest heart with the usual Islamic lies and hypocrisies that have become your second nature. A few of those lies will be presented later. For now, here are my thoughts summarizing the same tired antics your have posted again and again: @Pilgrim.1: After those Muslims, who by their share ignorance or personal
desire, erected and venerated the graves of the pious amongst them who died,
maybe, after punished enough in the hellfire, they may be forgiven. This is merely wishful thinking that seeks to once again play the Islamic 'convenience game'. If you like sef, you can see the "live" performance of the Muslim idolatry on this link: ( http://www.zainab.org/liveShrine.html) Muhammad never predicated the idea of "punishment" in this issue on the assumption of a " maybe" - and you were only trying to pull the wool over your own eyes by excusing the facts revealed in my posts. My rejoinders were pointing out the simple matter of exposing the facts by comparing the prejudices in Muhammad's jejune pronouncements. Muhammad denounced others for the very same things that Muslims now fully engage in but pretend do not exist in Islam. Here are a few reminders of the several hate proclamations that Muhammad made against others: (1) 'May Allah fight the Jews and the Christians. They took the graves of their Prophets as places of prostration.' [ Malik Muwatta Book 45, Num. 45.5.17] (2) "May Allah's curse be on the Jews and the Christians for they build places of worship at the graves of their prophets." [ Sahih Bukhari, Vol. 4, Bk. 56, Num. 660] Despite all these protests and vehemence from Muhammad, my question was simple enough: is Muhammad's 'Allah' ready to both " FIGHT" and " CURSE" all those Muslims who have done precisely the same thing that the Quraish prophet denounced? Please tell me WHY 'Allah' would find it convenient to "forgive" Muslim culprits for the same things that Muhammad accused others? Is such idolatry only permissible in Islam because you folks gullibly acclaim yourselves to be "Muslims" practising the same idolatry? But you who dies, not as a Muslim, will have no prayer and there is no coming out of the fire of hell! Is that what you want? Another wishful thinking!  Were you not the same guy trying to play dice and a game of chance on three probabilities of whether Moses, Jesus or Muhammad might save you? Rest your fears: I've a deep conviction that there's no 'Muslim Hell' for me as pronounced by Muhammad - especially when his theory on that subject is still as confusing to Muslims themselves today. Muhammad's prayer will fail you - and we shall see how this is so. What if Jesus is not in the position to help? On what basis would Jesus (who was without sin) not be able to help? And what makes you think that Muhammad the sinner would be of any help to other sinners? |
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pilgrim.1 (f)
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@olabowale, What if he is truly not God as the Muslims say? This is where you keep deceiving yourself - you have to make everything depend on what "Muslims say" inspite of the fact that Muslims are known to be liars! Let me ask you a few questions which I have continued to ask Muslims and yet not received any sound answers: ~ Between Muhammad and Jesus, who is called THE Messiah? ~ WHAT is the meaning of THE Messiah? ~ Between Muhammad and Jesus, who is THE sinner? ~ How could a self-confessed SINNER help you if he was UNABLE to live a consistently sinless life? Let me even tease you further. "What if" Jesus was not God, as "Muslims say"? Then there are three possible outcomes of that inference: (a) Muhammad's Qur'an would be a fraud!The reason is because Muhammad stated several times that the Qur'an was given to confirm (rather than "contradict") what was revealed in the Torah (the Law of Moses) and the Injil (the Gospel) - see Sura 3:81, " And afterward there will come unto you a messenger, confirming that which ye possess." As at the time when Muhammad spoke these words, the people he was addressing "possessed" the very same Torah and Gospel that declare the deity of Jesus Christ ( John 1:1 was already a Gospel truth even before Muhammad was born!). So, if Muhammad came "contradicting" (instead of " confirming") what the 'people of the Scripture' (Jews and Christians) already possessed, we immediately know that the Qur'an is a fraud. (b) Muhammad would be a false prophetMuhammad once angrily boasted to his companions: " I am the most Allah fearing, and know Allah better than all of you do." ( Sahih Bukhari, Vol. 1, Book 2, Num. 19). However, at the time when Muhammad made the statement as already cited in Sura 3:81 (' a messenger, confirming that which ye possess'), the Torah which the people possessed had a litmus test for recognizing false prophets. For instance, Numbers 12:6 boldly decalres that: " If there be a prophet among you, I the LORD will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream". Question: did the LORD God reveal Himself or speak to Muhammad at anytime? We know that Muhammad failed this very basic test, inspite of his angry boast of knowing 'Allah' better than all his companions. If you ask HOW Muhammad failed the test, my answer is that the LORD God never once revealed Himself or even spoke to Muhammad - not even once! By that Torah test alone, the Quraish prophet qualified as a false prophet; and a false prophet cannot help anybody when we stand before the LORD God on Judgement Day! (c) Muhammad's many sins have no basis of REDEMPTIONOne theme that is constantly occuring in both the Torah (the Law), the [/b]Zabur[/b] (the Psalms), the Injil (the Gospel) and the other OT & NT Scriptures, is redemption. In short, as far as salvation is concerned, then "redemption" is the basic theme of this subject in the Bible (I shall try and give you a list of some Bible texts on redemption later). The question therefore is: did Muhammad come to " confirm" the Bible doctrine of 'redemption' which was already taught in what 'the people of the Scripture' possessed at the time Sura 3:81 was declared in the Qur'an? Where did Muhammad ever try to " confirm" the REDEMPTION that is taught in the Bible ( Torah, Injil, Zabur, and the OT Scriptures)?!? These are the 3 possible outcomes of your question as to "what IF" Jesus was not what the Bible teaches - as "Muslims say". What Muslims say is of littel consequence - for the fact that Muhammad was a false prophet and his claims in the Qur'an are a fraud! Let me help you further on the subject to make you see the seriousness of Muhammad's bold denials of what he pretended to have come to "confirm". In my next post. |
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pilgrim.1 (f)
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@olabowale,
Before I further discuss the subject of Muhammad's denial of the Biblical theme of redemption, here is a short list of the recurring theme of redemption in the Bible - from the Torah, the Zabur, the Injil and other OT and NT Scriptures.
The Torah:
*Numbers 18:15 - Every thing that openeth the matrix in all flesh,
which they bring unto the LORD, whether it be of men or beasts,
shall be thine: nevertheless the firstborn of man shalt thou surely redeem,
and the firstling of unclean beasts shalt thou redeem.
The Zabur:
*Psalms 34:22 - The LORDredeemeth the soul of his servants:
and none of them that trust in him shall be desolate.
*Psalms 130:8 - And he shall redeem Israel from all his iniquities.
Other OT Scriptures:
*Isaiah 62:12 - And they shall call them, The holy people,
The redeemed of the LORD: and thou shalt be called, Sought out,
A city not forsaken.
*Hosea 13:14 - I will ransom them from the power of the grave;
I will redeem them from death: O death, I will be thy plagues;
O grave, I will be thy destruction: repentance shall be hid from
mine eyes.
The Injil and NT Scriptures:
*Matthew 20:28 - Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto,
but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
*Romans 3:24 - Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption
that is in Christ Jesus.
*Ephesians 1:7 - In whom we have redemption through his blood,
the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace.
*1 Timothy 2:6 - Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
*1 Peter 1:18 & 19 - Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with
corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation
received by tradition from your fathers, But with the precious blood of Christ,
as of a lamb without blemish and without spot.
Now, please pay particular attention to the prophet Hosea as quoted above ("I will redeem them from death" - Hosea 13:14). Dear olabowale, do you know of anywhere in the entire religion of Islam where REDEMPTION from death was preached by Muhammad?
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pilgrim.1 (f)
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@olabowale, Remember you have asserted earlier that: But you who dies, not as a Muslim, will have no prayer As we have seen already, according to Sura 3:18 and some other verses of the Qur'an, we learn that Muhammad declared he was sent as a messenger to confirm what the people of the Scripture already possessed at the time he made that statement! This is also said of one of the purposes of the Qur'an: " believe in what I have sent down ( this Qur'an), confirming that which is with you, [the Taurat ( Torah) and the Injeel ([/b]Gospel[/b])]" ( Sura 2:41 - Hilali-Khan translation). On the contrary, what we read in the Qur'an is not a "confirmation" but a bold DENIAL of Biblical redemption! If you ever pay attention to your Qur'an, you will remember that Muhammad spoke of "redemption" (or "ransom") in a most unapproving manner: Sura 35:18 (Yusuf Ali tr.) And no burdened soul can bear another's burden, and if one heavy laden crieth for (help with) his load, naught of it will be lifted even though he (unto whom he crieth) be of kin. Thou warnest only those who fear their Lord in secret, and have established worship. He who groweth (in goodness), groweth only for himself, ( he cannot by his merit redeem others). Unto Allah is the journeying. Let's outline what exactly the above verse tells us about Muhammad's doctrine in the Qur'an: (a) that no burdened soul can bear another's burden (b) a heavy-laden soul crying out for help will receive none from the person unto whom he crieth [' naught of it will be lifted even though he (unto whom he crieth) be of kin'] (c) a good man cannot by his merit redeem others. Actually, in that very verse, Muhammad had unwittingly pronounced that he is neither able to help anyone nor offer prayers that will save anybody! It doesn't matter that Muhammad was fond of doublespeak and duplicity - claiming one thing in the Qur'an and then claiming the very opposite in the Hadiths! But even in this case, if the Qur'an is of more authority than the Hadiths, then it stands to reason that Muhammad declared himself unable to help anybody in that Day!! HOW? For the simple reason that: (a) Muhammad was a 'burdedned soul' as a self-confessed sinner; (b) those who cry to Muhammad will receive no help from him; (c) Muhammad cannot redeem anybody by any so-called merit he might have claimed! I'm really sorry for Muslims!! Even when the facts are staring them in the face, they still obstinately refuse to see the danger they're in! The reason why I'm so sorry for you olabowale is because your Muhammad has FAILED every single point in that singular verse as enunciated above! |
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pilgrim.1 (f)
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@olabowale, If there's no redemption from sin and death in Islam, then Muhammad can never be of any help to those who followed him the grave where their souls cannot be redeemed! To assert otherwise in Islam without a fundamental basis for the same, is simply wishful thinking and an expectation of a rude awakening on the Day of Judgement! This is why you will be hard pressed to find Christians making so much noise as Muslims do on the Forum. The one basic theme I often find in your posts is the deliberate attempt to constantly LIE - as does babs787 and several other Muslims. What do you guys ever hope to achieve with your numerous lies? What is the hope of redeeming you from your lying in order to pepper Muhammad's career? Instead of ratifying, certifying, validating or 'confirming' the Torah and Injil, Muhammad obviously rubbished the Qur'an itself by doing the direct opposite of what he declared - that is, Muhammad destroyed the Qur'an's testimony of Sura 3:81 (' confirming that which ye possess'), ) by evidently denying what he said he came to "confirm"!! If these matters do not give you a moment's pause to reconsider how dubious Islam truly is, then no human instrument can help you - not even Muhammad! Which is a good prospect for me - because it certainly gives me the opportunity to keep praying for you and many other Muslims who have been cheated into believing the LIE in the Qur'an that Muhammad came to " confirm" what the people of the Scripture already possessed!! Olabowale, when you launch yourself into unreasonable argument (especially with lies), take time out to consider if the Qur'an is a book of integrity in what it claims. You will be shocked at the many revealing facts that point out that Muhammad was a false prophet by the standard of what he said he came to "confirm" but yet actually came to deny. Now, " IF" Jesus was not God - "as Muslims say" - we certainly can depend on His abundant and sure help! It is better and safer to trust in THE Messiah as the Scriptures declare, than to put your trust in the career of a self-confessed sinner who denied the very basis of the redemption that would have saved him! The LORD God never revealed Himself to Muhammad - and that alone should make you understand the enormous danger you have put yourself by playing a game of chance with your entire life! Cheers. |
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pilgrim.1 (f)
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@olabowale, Aren't you drenched with the yokes and abdomens of the broken eggs in your basket?
I feel bad that you will stick with something that will not benefit you! Wow, old habit dies
extremely very slow. Perhaps you should know that Muslims have habits that betray their weakness. You have just chanced on the probability that if Muhammad fails you, you might be looking to Moses (Musa) or Jesus (Isa). Christians do not have to play with their destinies the way you acclaimed; and what is worse, neither Moses nor Jesus (or any Biblical character for that matter) was a Muslim! Does it benefit you to slave upon the old habit of drenching yourself with Islamic duplicity - just because "Muhammad said so"? Jesus will not help you in the day of Judgement. You call him Lord and
that is not his place. He will never answer you, when you call him. Let me assure you: Muhammad will never help you on the Day of Judgement - for the very fact that he was a sinner to the end, self-confessed as such, and he obviously did not hide the fact that no sinner would be able to help another on that Day!! You know that fact from the Qur'an and Hadith, or you need to lie again in order to be reminded? Furthermore, he was inconsistent in his declarations about what exactly the Day of Judgement should portray. More often than not, it cannot be argued that Muhammad simply declared his own personal phobia as regards what he thought about the events surrounding that Day. How many times do we read in the Hadiths about all kinds of funny instances that Muhammad declared a judgement of Hell upon eveything he personally did not like, including the arts, musaic and making pictures? Third, I am still asking why you Muslims have a problem with Jesus being called "Lord" in the Bible when the fact is that Muslims have formerly referred to Muhammad and all other prophets as "Lord" as well? Today, many Muslims are trying to hide the fact by claiming that Muhammad was never referred to as "Lord"! Other Muslims who still have this practice have tempered down the expression (using "liege-Lord" instead of simply "Lord" in earlier times among Muslims). I am still waiting on you guys to come back again and deny the FACT, and then the Forum will see the reason why pilgrim.1 continues to refer to Muslims as " LIARS" playing a "convenience game" of denying the obvious truth! |
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pilgrim.1 (f)
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@olabowale, There is a God. He is Supreme, far Superior that whatever you can imagine. I hear - and that God is not the Muslim "Allah"! QED. If you're claiming those atributes for your 'Allah', then indeed you're rubbishing the doctrines of Muhammad and setting up your own Islamic denials as a replacement for the religion of the Quraish prophet! Muslims who have pretended to believe that those attributes apply to the 'Allah' of Islam have deeply disagreed among themselves! That disagreement is still causing ripples and katzenjammer between the Shiites and Sunnis even today. Details when you again try to deny the obvious. Before you condemn yourself, to the fire of hell, because of your blind faith, please my brother
turn your stove on and let it flame shoot at you. Lol. . . you should really be advising yourself, olabowale. Islam is a blind faith, a deadend, and fall-through bucket seeking to justify Muhammad's adventures by trying to smuggle him into the Bible. It is only because the duplicity has been bleached a number of times that you guys have turned round to show your true hypocritical colours in denouncing the Bible. Or put your hand in it. When it burns and you feel the pain, then know the fare of hell is Zillions of times punishing! Open your heart, please. Muhammad never described his "Hell" as 'zillions of times punishing!' All these desperate calculations were part of his hallicunations and the phobia of a man who was always praying to be delivered from his devil ( "O Allah. . . drive away my devil"). Please ask for the reference, or better still come back denying it! You guys keep heaping denials upon denials - that is why you could afford to boldly deny that a hadith referenced by nwando actually exists! Well done! |
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pilgrim.1 (f)
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Muslim idolatry. That is something that not many of them would like to acknowledge as a fact in Islam today. Yet, in their pretended scholarship, they fail to see that the very thing that Muhammad alleged in his accusations against Jews and Christians are the same things (and far worse) that have now engulfed the Muslim world! In previous discourses, we have seen just one example of such idolatry - and I asserted that Muslims have thrashed every single protest made by Muhammad against building mosques over graves or tombs. In a recent email exchange with a 'peaceful' Muslim who said he was excited by my posts on Nairaland, I once again had the opportunity of showing him incontrovertible evidence of the fact that Muslims have indeed built Mosques and tombs over the graves of both 'prophet' Muhammad and important figures in Islam (like the caliphs and Sultans). The gentleman went berseck and showered me with unimaginable words of "peace" from his prophet, even going so far to threaten that he had a network of efficient "computer engineers" who would trace me out to my office and bring me down so that I would be the first to burn among the denizens of Hell fire! Duh! Later on, he came back with yet another email to say that those pictures do not exist in real life and all the mosques around the world are absolutely empty of graves and tombs! His source of verifying the "truth"? His local Imam! I hear. . . it has been a long time that a Muslim entertained me with such comedies. I would just like to remind the same gentleman that Muslim authorities more recognized by the Muslim ummah actually acknowledge the fact that those mosques are built over the graves of the prophet and other Muslim figures! Not only so, there is no denying the fact that Muslims are seen praying in front of such graves. Let me re-post a picture I sent him by email (and still waiting for his reply after 8 days now). (1) In Konya (reputed to be the most religious conservative city in Turkey), the Semsi Tebrizi mosque also enshrines a tomb believed to be the grave of Semsi Tebrizi. What is interesting here is that Muslims go there to pray - as is depicted in the picture below where figure kneels and directly faces the tomb in prayer:  With regards to facing the graves and tombs when praying, we need to ask what that figure is doing by kneeling in front of the tomb and praying?!? Would that not be a direct violation of Muhammad's protest in the Hadith? Here: (6) Muhammad warned Muslims to not pray facing the graves Sahih Muslim, Book 004, Num. 2121: Abu Marthad al-Ghanawi reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: Do not sit on the graves and do not pray facing towards them. One should not blame the woman so much as one should seek to ask why the MEN have erected such strcutures in the first place! (2) In the Alaettin Tepesi hill in Konya is the location of the city's oldest, largest and most revered mosque known as the Alaettin Camii (Alaettin mosque). A few tombs of the Turkish sultans are to be found in the front courtyard, including those of Alaettin Keykubad, Kiliç Arslan I, and three Giyaseddin Keyhüsrevs (I, II, III) - shown below:  (3) Another mosque still in Konya, Turkey has the following tombs of the sultans in them:  ( click here for larger image). Whether or not Muslims want to deny that these idolatries exist in Islam today is inconsequential. What is fact in the issue is that Muslim apologists often pretend to not have noticed their own idolatries before seeking to attack others of practicing idolatry. |
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olabowale (m)
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The concept of Islam forbids Idolatry. But the concept of Christianity, based on the 3 godhead in 1 God, is indeed a clear indication of its Idolatry. Unfortunately, many in Islam are deviants. So what are showing is not new about people and groups in Islam. It is not a custom in Islam to venerate grave of anyone. I am sure you will remind of the Grave of the prophet (as). However, when people pray at the grave, it is permissable to face it, but face the Qibla when supplicating/praying. I do not see a sign of idolatry in Islam as it is very clear in Christianity; The Crosses, Paintings in the Church, we are not talking about the sisteen Chapel now/Last supper paintings and indeed the Crucible around the neck of Billions in Christendom!
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nwando
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The concept of Islam forbids Idolatry. But the concept of Christianity, based on the 3 godhead in 1 God, is indeed a clear indication of its Idolatry. Unfortunately, many in Islam are deviants. So what are showing is not new about people and groups in Islam. It is not a custom in Islam to venerate grave of anyone. I am sure you will remind of the Grave of the prophet (as). However, when people pray at the grave, it is permissable to face it, but face the Qibla when supplicating/praying. I do not see a sign of idolatry in Islam as it is very clear in Christianity; The Crosses, Paintings in the Church, we are not talking about the sisteen Chapel now/Last supper paintings and indeed the Crucible around the neck of Billions in Christendom!
ROFL. I like the way alhaji tries to wriggle himself out of a mess. I don laugh tire. And the person that started the thread has quietly slipped away. Zaik Nakir has run out of pages to be copied I wonder if that hooded woman praying at the tomb above is facing East just a thought |
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olabowale (m)
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@Nwando: Muhammad (as), the Prophet and Messenger of the Most Merciful, had stated that there will be 73 sects in Islam, before the world comes to an end. The group that you have referred in the picture, with the woman praying at the grave which she faced, is one. You have what we call the five percenters in America, as well as the Nation of Islam. You also have the Shia. You have the Dru, etc And many hypinated Muslims. Inshort all of them have deviated, from the very slightly to the completely deviated group, that you will not see anything Islamic about them, except only the name. From the 73 sects, only 1 will not be punished for any deviation, hence will not enter Hell at all.
All the 72 however who goes against the straigh path of Islam, as Provided in the Qur'an and Hadith/Sunnah, will have to be purified in Hell, time in it is directly proportional to the degree of deviation. Some muslims will not come out of it, ever, because this group is known as the hypocites. They say with their mouth that they are Muslims, but their heart and soul do not accept Islam!
Having said this, all Idol worshippers, Atheists, and all the 71 sects of Judaism and 72 sects of Christianity, without any exception, will be punished and remain in Hell, forever. Obigeli Nwando, is this what you want for yourself? That will be the end of those who associate Partner with the Supreme!
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olabowale (m)
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@Kokojunkie, Nwando, Pilgrim.1, Davidylan, Backslider Bobbylaf, TayoD, etc, etc: I have to thank God that God Almighty Allah spoke the truth through the mouth of my esteem leader, Kokojunkie. On November 30, he made a very important entry, which goes against the myth that everyone else is trying to sell/put forward about Qur'an and the Torah, Sabuur and Injil. I called them the Bible. Read his respond, again. COrrection. The Torah is not the Bible.
Correction number 2. Incase you do not know your history and the contents of the books well. The Quran does not in any way tell the stories in the Torah or the Bible as it is told in those. The stories are completely opposite and so the one can not be litmus test for the others. I don't know if you have ever taken time out to read the 3 books you refer to in this case. The stories in the Torah go one way but the same stories in the Quran go the opposite way. How can the two books be the same if they are not telling the same stories?? And please, do not play the two different aspects excuse, we have seen that used too many times and still no headway : I know that the Torah is not the Bible. The Jews never add your NT to their Book, ever. They do not believe, that the Christians have anything tangible. Especially since you have a 3 godhead for a God. But it is you that cling to them and adopt their Torah as the first part of your Bible. I admire you, the Christians in this. But I stop the admiration, when you cancelled The Mosaic law. Cursed the soul of Prophet and Messenger Jesus son of Mary. And your having a 3 godheaded God as your Almighty. Part of this godhead deity dead on the cross. The second part has no real function. Except as part of the 3 that witness in heaven. And the last seems to be the True God. Who is Independent and completely in control, regardless of the conditions of the other two! I have also told my dear sisters the same thing, the Qur'anic stories have a different source from the source of the Biblical stories. Old habit does die a very sluggish death. I am still calling Torah the Bible. Sorry Kokojunkie. Silly me, it is not the Bible. Only NT is the Bible. But why are you Christians having what is not part of the Bible, in your Bible, therefore? Again our common stories are only in names/Title only. The details and contents are not alike. Again thank you, Kokojunkie. But please excoriate your Christian brothers and sisters, the moment you read their piece trying to claim that Qur'an draws from the same source as Tourat. The Qur'an does not have anything written by Ester, for example. The claim that the Qur'an also draws from Injiil is also false. The Qur'a does not have anything written by Saul/Paul, etc. (Pilgrim, and Nwando you know that I will take full advantage to use Saul/Paul in this case! lol). |
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