Tawhid: The Issue Christians Avoid

lol what's knew? Its the same decietful attempt by muslims to put on the garb of victims to excuse their cult of death.
Seriously you werent saying anything of interest, the only reason i put up with replying u is simply because i can't sit by and watch you trying desperately to force fit mohamadu into the bible while using the very same tongue to declare the bible corrupt. You can't just get away with being dishonest.

@Nwando


 Let me combine your two posts.






Good, I am very much aware that the verses exist in KJV. My question was on other versions. Read my post for better understanding. Let me have the verse in other versions.







Did you read my question? I asked you why verse 17 v 36 is missing but all you could do was buttressed my claim that its missing. Common, why is the verse missing? You may give me RSV and GNB as well. The missing verse shows the corruption of the bible.






Keep nailing yourself and why are some manuscripts leaving verse 36 in the inspired word of God.



It shows that its corrupt.


Now as from now henceforth, when you are giving me any verse from the bible, let me know the year the version was produced because some earlier publication are omitting some verses while the latest publications are inputting same.

Let me further expose you:

Get  RSV published in 1952 and you will notice that Mark 16 v 19, Luke 24 v 15 and John 8 v 1-10 ARE MISSING WHILE THE SAME VERSES WERE RESTORED IN THE NEXT PUBLICATION OF 1971 after great controversy.

These verses talk about the ascension of Jesus and the women who were taken in adultery. The Living Bible's commentators stated at its footnote p. 79 that most ancient manuscripts omit John 7 v 53-8, 1 - 11.

So please where are the latest publications getting their own verses from?

Does the above not justify the the claim that the Gospel is corrupt, distorted and not in its original state?


The clock is ticking. Accept Islam today, tomorrow may be too late.

First allow me to appreciate your mature approach to responding to criticism, it is a breath of fresh air as compared to the garbled responses we get from alhaji and blabs787 which border on the paranoid.

Back to your quote above: Are muslims now trying to shift the blame of the "lost" torah and injil on christians now?

Surah Al-Imran 3: 3 Step by step has He bestowed upon thee from on high this divine writ,* setting forth the truth which confirms whatever there still remains [of earlier revelations]:** for it is He who has bestowed from on high the Torah and the Gospel

Sura 6:115 "Perfected is the word of thy Lord in truth and justice. There is naught that can change His words."

1. If allah's words CAN NEVER be changed, then it stands to reason that the christian bible CANNOT be from him since muslims claim it has been corrupted. If that is the case then WHERE is allah's original torah and injil?

2. Surah 9 Ayat 30 The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!

If allah's curses be on the jews, why then did allah send them the torah? Would it not have been better for the torah to have been sent to the Ishmaelites? the very lineage muslims claim is the covenant child of abraham?


In your haste to use the biblical men of God as a shield for mohammed's desperately vaucous claims to "prophethood" you have ignorantly missed the point. ONLY GOD is described in the bible as the HEALER.

Exodus 15: 26 . . . for I am the LORD that healeth thee.

In the new testament Christ makes it clear that by ourselves we can do nothing; Mark 16: 17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they . . .

Moses, David, Abraham could not heal anyone for they were mere men like you and i but when God chose to show himself through them, he gave them the power to perform miracles. Look at the case of Elijah as a very good example or Moses.

Now the reason i asked whether Mohammed performed miracles is simple . . . muslims equate Mohammed as being a prophet like Jesus christ . . . assuming that is even remotely true  . . . why was Mohammed unable to perform EVEN ONE miracle as Jesus did? christians have no reason to wonder why David performed no miracles (the slaying of goliath was one) because we know he was a mere man . . . we know Jesus could and does heals because He has the power to do so AS GOD.


no arab poetry comes close to any western poetry so far. If you have any please don't hesitate to let us know.


Isaiah 53: 5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

@lakpenne

Let me correct the following misconceptions you seems to have :

Muslim god is allah. allah is an idol in Saudi Arabia. Islamic religion is an Idolatrous, occultic  religion that encourages propagating Islamic religion by force, encourages Jihad, hatred for other religion, promotes polygamy and all sorts of rituals and witchcraft, hence the symbols of a quarter moon and star.

Hence the christians and the muslims are not worshipping the same God. Although we are all from father Abraham.  Muhammad ( who is the founder of this Islamic religion ) is a product of diversion, because if Abraham have patiently waited on the lord just as the lord has promised, this issue of Ishmaelites would not have come up and the world will not be going through all these problems we are going through. Islam religion does not show tolerance at all. Who is mohammed that they should not criticise him ? God who created we (human beings ) gave us a choice, to either do good or evil. Human beings do criticise and challenge God

As a result the christian God is different from your allah.

 " YOU SAID IN REVELATION, THAT JESUS SAID HE WILL COME AND FIGHT WITH THE JEWS "


Can you quote where exactly in revelation if what you are saying have any credibility.

Have you forgotten that the Jews and Arabs are related?. They are all children of father Abraham, so why do most muslims have a great hatred for the jews ? Why are muslims against their existence in the middle east ?

99.9% of muslims don't know the bible, and 99% don't even know the Quran. All they know is violence, senseless violence.

 " YOU SAID ANYONE WHO SAID JESUS IS GOD IS A LIAR "

First of all, Jesus was conceived through what we called immaculate conception, by the holy spirit, he was born of the virgin mary. he was not born as a result of sexual intercourse, just the way mohammed was born. Jesus is God the son. If you want me to explain more, I will. Your Quran is full of contradictions, that is why when mohammed die, there was no succession.

May God help us. That is why any country that adopts Islam as a state religion will never experience peace.

Davidylan:  

I appreciate your response as it is less ranting than usual and more thought out but here is the problem U have as well as the problem I have.  First, I am not one of those that is inclined to use the Bible as sole proof of anything, only as supporting proof.  I don't believe the Bible can stand by itslef as proof (U do not have to accept that, that's o.k.).  Many of your responses suggest, or think, that I believe the Bible is true.  Likewise, many of my responses sometimes forget that you do not accept the Quran.  With that said, this is why at times I suggest we take an objective look at what the Prophets came with as we see from a comparative look at the Quran and Torah and Bible.  With that said, let me proceed:

As for God sending Jesus to the Jews, it is obvious that there was something the Jews were doing for God to send Jesus to them.  They were not innocent, proven by the fact that they rejected Jesus despite all the miracles he performed in front of them.  So, it is very plausibel that, and consistent with the Quran and what should logically follow, that God was upset with the Jews and angry with them, yet sent them a final messenger for deliverance - and they rejected him.

As for the salvation?  The most critical thread between the Prophets, I would argue, is their preaching of one God and not committing shirk or polytheism.  As for the act to be performed for salvation is ancillary.  What good is being free from sin if you don't know worship a God besides God.  For example, what if someone performs all the actions necessary to gain salvation, such as the old sacrifice of the goat, but also worship a cow.  He will not be saved.  Since Christians believe u need t accept Jesus to be saved, as that belief is the heart of Christian theology, what difference does it make or what good is it if you do everything else good but reject Jesus.  

I submit that since all the Prophets came with the message of monotheism, this is the most important and everything else is ancillary.  Jesus is the only one with a different definition of monotheism, which includes the trinity.  

"Nope, the biblical prophets did not need to split the moon to prove they were sent by God."   --- fine.  But that says nothing.  The point is wther its splitting the moon, feeding an entire load of people with little food, raising the dead, killing Goliath, splitting the Red Sea, they all needed something to give the people as a stamp of approval that they are a Prophet.  Otherwise, any Tom privates or Harry can say, "hey I am a Prophet" with out prsenting any authenticating papers we call miracles.


"Here is the problem . . . how does the bush man know that "god"? What is his name and how does the bushman reach him? will he have to learn arabic?"

Like I said before , God belief itself if quite simple.  His essence is a greater mystery.   But things like the fact that he is all powerful and the creator of everything, etc is intuitive and a natural inferrence from the fact that we live.  Muslims believe everyone is a Muslim because Islam simply means one that submits to God.  Whether it be a Bushman or an educated Harvard boy, we all ask the question "who am I and where did I come from"  Why?  Because I submit that we arre hardwired to believe in God.  So the Bshman does not have to be told about God belief, its natural.  he knows the simple things such as the fact that God created him and knows that since God created him, God is the only one deserving of worship.  That's all he needs as Bushman.  For more sophisticated people they might need more.  The Bushman's basic belief is te essence of what the Prophets came from.  If he has that, he is in a better position than the one who associates partnership with God yet does all sorts of other worship and rituals.  The latter is a fool and damned.

As for learning Arabic, you can get a superficial understanding of the quran, enough to suffice for basic belief, reading its translation in your language and as you said, one will have no excuse that they were unable to read it.  But to really get an in depth meaning, you need to read it in its original language.  Ever heard of "lost in translation?"  The arabic language is rich, if one ever learned it or even tried to learn it you'd see.

"no arab poetry comes close to any western poetry so far. If you have any please don't hesitate to let us know."

-- sorry sir but that is a foolish statement.  Not because it might not be true but because you don't know Arab poetry.  If you did, maybe I would take your word for it.  But until then, that is simply your opinion.  

Finally, and I hope I covered all, the fact that God is the healer and Jesus healed does not in an of itself translate into Jesus being God.  If god truly said that, then so be it but I don't believe he did.  As a logical progression, it does not hold true that because Jesus healed and God is known and the healer that Jesus is God and this is why (notice, I am not arguing against the word of the Bible, that would be pointless, but rather, the illogical assumption you make)

God is known to have endowed several of the prior Prophets with powers that only God can have and we never called them God. No man can split the sea  but God can.  No man can turn a stick into a serpent (give life to a lifeless thing) but Moses did and we never called him God?  Why?  Cause its understood that God helpe him do it by His will.  In fact, I would argue that giving life to an inanimate object like a stick (not the magic the pharoahs minons performed) is greater than giving life to a dead animate thing like a human.  One could argue, the human was never really dead but in a coma and then Jesus just happened upon him when he was awakening (silly argument but can be made).  As for the stick, there is no question it was dead and then not only had life, but had life in the form of a thing other than a stick  - a serpent.  Yet, we don't say that God is the giver of life and Moses gave life to the stick therefore Moses is God.  See, its not consistent in light of what we know about the powers of God.  So, I submit that just because Jesus healed or raised the dead or was born of a virgin mother (Adam had no mother and father and that's even greater) is not sufficient basis to believe that he is God.

God bless.

You are very correct, BUT the plan of God to die for our sins through Jesus Christ had already been hatched long before the jews came on the scene . . . the very minute Adam fell the bible records that "all have sinned and come short of the glory of God". Through Adam's fall man became spiritually dead, separated from God through sin. It became imperative that to appear before God we would need to be cleansed from sin and that was why Christ came to shed His blood.
It had very little to do with the jews really, God simply used the jews as the people He chose to manifest Himself through . . . He could as well have chosen the Moabites.


you are simply stretching the facts to force-fit the quran. Remember Allah cursed the jews allegedly for rejecting his "final messenger". but God, in the book of Numbers, tells us clearly that the Jews had already been blessed and COULD NEVER be cursed. Since God does not change His word it becomes clear that the God that blessed the jews in the OT could not be the same Allah cursing them in the quran.

God was upset with the jews on several occassions but NEVER cursed them even once. Remember the issue of the golden calf in the wilderness, God was so upset he wanted to wipe them all out YET he forgave them, remember those who murmured after they were sent to spy out the promised land? Yet God never cursed them, remember the 70yrs they spent in captivity in Babylon after they went after false gods? Yet God never cursed them.
 

this is false. The jews did not need a prophet to remind them to worship one God after they got the 10 commandments. Read through the bible . . .  this is simply an attempt to force the quran and mohammad's false message into the bible.


Hebrews 9:22  22And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission. . . . of sins.
Dear Lakpenne, the wages of sin is spiritual death, no two ways about it and without salvation there is NO remission of sins. to declare that salvation is unimportant is to dig your eternal grave.


Your example holds no water for you, by human reasoning, assume that salvation is a ritual to be performed.

Romans 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Salvation is a process of the heart . . . it is impossible for you to be saved and continue in your old ways. For behold old things are passed away and all things have become new.


You are simply trying to force the biblical prophets into allah's mould. The biblical prophets came with the message of salvation. they didnt need to remind the people of the 10 commandments. Read Isaiah 53 . . . Read the book of Daniel, there is nothing there about worshipping one God. Read hosea, Ezekiel, Jeremiah . . . monotheism was not part of their writings.


The true test of a biblical prophet was not miracles . . . for even the magicians of pharaoh could perform magic too:

Deuteronomy 18:22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

How many prophecies did "prophet" mohammad give and how many came to pass? that is the true test of a prophet.

the power to perform miracles was given to some prophets as a sign that the Lord was with them. For others who didnt, the children of Isreal did not require splitting of the moon to know who was a prophet and who was not. there was never any confusion.


that is a belief from the deceiver himself . . . the devil.
Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

It takes submitting to be led.


to start with, allah does not heal. Is that enough proof that he CANNOT be the same God of the bible who declares - - I AM the God that healeth thee?

Healing is only done through the NAME of Jesus Christ. If that is not enough proof that he is God then i don't know what is.
All other apostles who performed miracles in the bible did so with that Name.


For this very reason we have the raising of lazarus who had been dead 4 DAYS and had already been wound tightly with linen cloth. Of course someone can be in a coma for 4 days but you can't be without oxygen for more than 4 minutes.

@Focused: Thank you for your confidence in me. I am learning, but gradually getting better in knowing Who imy Creator is and what should be my responsibility to Him.

I have a feeling you are a moderate muslim, but maybe we could learn from each other. (I do not have any tangible scholarship in Islam, but i will speak to you from my heart. I ask that God guides my speech and let it be measured for success, only for His cause. Amiin)

1)  The people who carried out Suicide bombing against innocent civilians and the the people who are involved in the 911 attacks do justify their attack from the quran, especially from surah 9:5 and surah 9:29, of which if you read it very well, directly translates to what they are doing

My response: According to the reports that we have of the 911 hijackers, at least one of them spent his last night on earth in the bar, where he drank until he was drunk. He danced the night away, even on the bar table/stool, with all the trimmings of what they do in the bar, girls, smoking, etc. If this is true, is this the way a man who believed in God will like to end his life, as he himself is sure about what he was going to do, the following morning? Is it a good Muslim quality to parade the bar at all, and get drunk? Is it a good Muslim quality to dance away and perform or at least attempt fornication? How can a habitual drinker and the other ills listed about this particular man be a religious man? Hardly and very unlikely!

About Suratul Tauba, chapter 9 and its verses listed above, you should know that it was revealed for its appropriateness, at the time it was revealed. It was not a band of Muslim who engaged in the many battles/wars that these verses were revealed upon. The Muslims fought, all of them, together as one body. Everyone that was able body was ready and prepared to fight. There was no opposition within the Muslims. They fought under the Banner of One God, indivisible God. Under One prophet and Messenger of God, Muhammad (as).

However, the bands or fragments which claimed or are claimed to be fighting for Islam today are doing it for their own personal end, individually or as a group. There is no complete body of Muslim scholars that will say these people are fighting for Islam. If Muslims were to fight as a body, it will be for just  cause; Only raising the flag of Laa ilaha ilallah, Muhammadanr Rasulullah Salaalahu aleyhi salaam. The only reason this can happen, and be justify is if Muslims all over the world are being prevented from going to Mosque to pray, even in the so called Muslim lands. The Muslim land is wrongly labelled.

This is not to say that the verses could not be potentially applicable, sometimes in the history of man. I am saying that that is not the case now. The Muslims need to look into their own hearts first. Help themselves into being good to themselves and their neighbors and the society at large, while still believing God as One. Islam calls for well rounded belief/faith.

If the Muslim were to fight as a unit, having the singular goal without the stupidity that you see within Islam, today, there will be catastrophe in the lands. May God Almighty in His Infinite Mercy not let us have it , now or in the future of man.


2)  Why are muslims so intolerant  ? Why will they want to kill anyone who criticises Muhammad ? God created human being to have  choice, to do good or evil.
human being do criticises God, so if they can criticise God, then why can't they speak their mind about what they think of mohammed and his followers ?


My response:I am just an ordinary Muslim. I have no special quality to see the heart of my fellow man. However I can make a give time assessment of a person, based on what is said and or done at that time. The future belongs to God alone. It is the foolishness of a man that will make him criticise his Creator. Now am not saying that I am special and not potentially within the group of people that criticise. However, it very terrible that we carry this foolish and perilous behaviour to the extend to affect other people. Especially when you leave your saints and leaders of your religion as secrete Cows, Unreachable, but find it pleasurable to deride other peoples religious leadership. Notice that there is no Christian, unless just Christian by name only, or assumed to be Christian, that has criticised Paul, and never Jesus. Why Muhammad? I ask you, my friend?

Have you ever seen any Muslim who have ever criticised Jesus son of Mary? It will never happen. It will the same as if he had criticised Muhammad who succeeded Jesus son of Mary, if it an Muslim ever does. He can forget his Islam, unless he reenter Islam by seeking forgiveness from God, directly.


3)  Why do the Islamic religion promotes hatred and intolerance against Christians and the jews ?

My response: My mother was a Christian until just few years ago. Thank God. But in all of her years as a Christian, I never expressed any hatred towards her. Okay, so she is my mother. Alright, the remnants of Christianity in my family, both father and mother sides enjoy aboundant of love with me. In business, some of my closest confidants are Jews and or Christians. And by the way, I do not need them as much as they need me. Thank God. Some of them almost became biting bulldogs against me immediately after 911. But thank God, in the end, I have been made Victorious over them. (Even the Jews call others Gentiles and the Christians called others the Unyoked)


4)  Why is that a christian cannot bring bible into Saudi Arabia ? Afterall Christianity have being existing in Saudi Arabia, before the 7th century Islamic religion.

My response: I am not a Saudi, so I can not comment on the Saudi policy for the country as a whole. However, God commanded that no non Muslim should be allowed in Makka. Muhammad bin Abdallah (as), extended this commandment, to cover Madina as well. I am very satisfy with the two standing instructions. For illustration purpose only, you have the right to tell me how to qualify myself to enter your house. So does God and His Messenger.

Do I agree with the Saudi extending this to cover the whole Saudi Arabia? I really do not have any opinion. However, there are many things that they do that I do not agree with. Since they are the custodian of the two Mosques, one would expect them to be just, where justice is needed and be merciful, when mercy is good, espectially when it comes to the matters of the poor, the weak and the the unprivileged.

5)  Why are Nigerians Muslims in particular showing solidarity to Arab Muslims. These were the same people who enslave black people. These were the same people who don't like blacks. You will not realise this racism, not until you work with Arabs. Would they get the same sympathy from Arab Muslims if something goes wrong with Nigerian Muslims.

My response: You are also to include the blind solidarity of the Nigerians with the Christian Europe, who did exactly the same as you have described the Arabs above. A resent example is what happened in Rwanda, when the priest/pastor abandoned the very African blacks who packed his luggaged. He behaved that African was his very worst enemy, the moment, the European Military came to take him out of dodge! You see, humans are humans. Some are good, but majority are very evil. The Nigerian  Christians do not care for justice. They have been reeling in with the 3 godhead in one madness. This is why some of them have no shame in their support for Israel. The very people who claimed themselves to be superior over all people. Claiming over and over againthat they are the chosen people with end. Even as they do filthy things, disobeying God and killing His messengers and prophets. How long do you think they should have this 'special status,' if God is just? They can have it for so long until the appointed time. The appointed time came in the person of Jesus son of Mary. He performed tremendous miracles that were unprecedented in its time. Yet they did not follow him.

Then came the last of the Prophets and Messengers, Muhammad ibn Abdallah! All human being is an ambassador to himself, first then to his family and to the larger body of mankind, in calling to the worship of God the Almighty Allah, alone without partnership.

Finally, I do not look at the Arabs for my Islam. First, not all Arabs are Muslims. And not all Muslims are Arabs. Islam entered Ethiopia before it entered Madina. Egyptians and others can claim that their not Africans, yet they are located in Africa. Indeed it is the same descendants of the subsahara Africans that are the primary source of support that they have after 911. Muslims are one body that is the issue on this. Yet we have bad family members within it, but we do not turn them out to the buggie man to scare. You show good behaviour, and they may just take something good from you, in the long run.

The mindset of the North Africans, who blindly claimed that they are not Africans, may just be in the same light as the One who claimed godship for a mere mortal. Have you thought about it, You do do not have to have an idol in front of you, before you are an idol worshipper.

hmmmm . . . . And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful and most deceitful.

@Pilgrim.1: Before I respond to your above thesis on Prophet Muhammad, I want you
to chew on this, or better yet, put it in your smoking pipe, with whatever it is that you smoke,
and smoke it. It will not be surprising that you smoke, based on your Slandering habit. Below
is your quality, in full view of mankind:

The Threat to Those Who fabricate Slander
(And those who annoy believing men and women undeservedly,) means, they attribute to them things of which they are innocent, which they do not know and do not do.

(they bear the crime of slander and plain sin.) This is the most serious slander, to tell or transmit things about the believing men and women that they have not done, in order to bring shame upon them and accuse them of shortcomings. Among those to whom the description most applies are those who disbelieve in Allah and His Messengers, followed by the Rafidites who accuse the Companions of shortcomings and faults of which Allah has stated that they are innocent, and describe them as the opposite of what Allah has said about them. Allah, may He be exalted, has told us that He is pleased with the Migrants and Ansar, and has praised them, but these foolish and ignorant people inveigh against them and accuse them of shortcomings, and say things about them that they did not do and could never have done. In reality, their hearts are misguided, for they condemn those who deserve praise and praise those who deserve condemnation. Abu Dawud recorded that Abu Hurayrah said that it was said: "O Messenger of Allah, what is backbiting (Ghibah)'' He said,

(It is when you mention something about your brother that he dislikes. ) It was asked, "But what if what I say about my brother is true'' He said,
(If it is true, then you have committed backbiting (Ghibah) about him, and if it is not true, then you have slandered him.) This was also recorded by At-Tirmidhi, who said, "Hasan Sahih.''

(59. O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their Jalabib over their bodies. That will be better that they should be known so as not to be annoyed. And Allah is Ever Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.) (60. If the hypocrites and those in whose hearts is a disease, and those who spread false news among the people in Al-Madinah stop not, We shall certainly let you overpower them, then they will not be able to stay in it as your neighbors but a little while.) (61. Accursed, they shall be seized wherever found, and killed with a (terrible) slaughter.) (62. That was the way of Allah in the case of those who passed away of old, and you will not find any change in the way of Allah.)

d real  question is does allah love u? other then his name and the fact that he is one god what do d muslims really know about allah? how come this "final revelation" is so much deficient in material on God then the bible? is any muslim 100 per cent sure of heaven like xtians who believe in christ? eternity is not a joke and this shouldnt b an ego thing on whose religion is better, ask yourself some basic questions on this god u follow. we christians believe 11 men who say they saw the risen christ  and had 500 other witnesses u muslims bank ur eternity on one man who received revelations and heard voices that NO ONE  else could back up. u bank ur eternity on one mans word. we have a crowd of witneses to our believes please just ask God to honestly reveal himself to u and stop these insults because eternity is no joke

@Pilgrim.1: As the Ibadan people say: O ba mi nbe! As I  said earlier, you to me, madam,
is a shameless slanderer. I begin, by Allah my refuttal of your slandering. Suratul Azhab clearly
tells us the nature of Muhammad (as), as regards to his wives.

                                                               Giving the Wives of the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم the Choice

Here Allah commands His Messenger to give his wives the choice of separating from him so that they may go to someone else with whom they can find what they want of the life of this world and its attractions, or of patiently bearing the straitened circumstances with the Prophet for which they will have a great reward with Allah. They chose Allah and His Messenger and the Home of the Hereafter, may Allah be pleased with them. Then Allah gave them the best both of this world and of the Hereafter. Al-Bukhari narrated from `A'ishah, may Allah be pleased with her, the wife of the Prophet that the Messenger of Allah came to her when Allah commanded him to give his wives the choice. She said, "The Messenger of Allah started with me, and said,

(I am going to tell you about something and you do not have to hasten to respond until you consult your parents.)'' He knew that my parents would never tell me to leave him. Then he said:

(Allah says: ("O Prophet! Say to your wives, '')) and he recited the two Ayat. I said to him, "Concerning what do I need to consult my parents I choose Allah and His Messenger and the Home of the Hereafter.'' He also narrated it without a chain of narrators, and added, "She said, then all the wives of the Prophet did the same as I.'' Imam Ahmad recorded that `A'ishah, may Allah be pleased with her, said: "The Messenger of Allah gave us the choice, and we chose him, so giving us that choice was not regarded as divorce.'' It was recorded by (Al-Bukhari and Muslim) from the Hadith of Al-A`mash. Imam Ahmad recorded that Jabir, may Allah be pleased with him, said: "Abu Bakr, may Allah be pleased with him, came to ask permission to see the Messenger of Allah and the people were sitting at his door, and the Prophet was sitting, but he did not give him permission. Then `Umar, may Allah be pleased with him, came and asked permission to see him, but he did not give him permission. Then he gave Abu Bakr and `Umar, may Allah be pleased with them both, permission, and they entered. The Prophet was sitting with his wives around him, and he was silent. `Umar, may Allah be pleased with him, said, `I will tell the Prophet something to make him smile.' `Umar, may Allah be pleased with him, said, `O Messenger of Allah, if only you had seen the daughter of Zayd -- the wife of `Umar -- asking me to spend on her just now; I broke her neck!' The Messenger of Allah smiled so broadly that his molars could be seen, and he said,

(They are around me asking me to spend on them.) Abu Bakr, may Allah be pleased with him, got up to deal with `A'ishah; and `Umar, may Allah be pleased with him, got up to deal with Hafsah, and both of them were saying, `You are asking the Prophet for that which he does not have!' But the Messenger of Allah stopped them, and they (his wives) said, `By Allah, after this we will not ask the Messenger of Allah for anything that he does not have.' Then Allah revealed the Ayah telling him to give them the choice, and he started with `A'ishah, may Allah be pleased with her. He said,

(I am going to tell you something, and I would like you not to hasten to respond until you consult your parents.) She said, `What is it' He recited to her:
(O Prophet! Say to your wives, ) `A'ishah, may Allah be pleased with her, said, `Do I need to consult my parents concerning you I choose Allah and His Messenger, but I ask you not to tell of my choice to your other wives.' He said:

(Allah did not send me to be harsh, but He sent me to teach in a gentle and easy manner. If any of them asks me what your decision was, I will tell her.)'' This was also recorded by Muslim, but not Al-Bukhari; An-Nasa'i also recorded it. `Ikrimah said: "At that time he was married to nine women, five of them were from Quraysh -- `A'ishah, Hafsah. Umm Habibah, Sawdah and Umm Salamah, may Allah be pleased with them. And he was also married to Safiyyah bint Huyay An-Nadariyyah, Maymunah bint Al-Harith Al-Hilaliyyah, Zaynab bint Jahsh Al-Asadiyyah and Juwayriyyah bint Al-Harith Al-Mustalaqiyyah, may Allah be pleased with all of them.

(30. O wives of the Prophet! Whoever of you commits an open Fahishah, the torment for her will be doubled, and that is ever easy for Allah.) (31. And whosoever of you is obedient to Allah and His Messenger, and does righteous good deeds, We shall give her, her reward twice over, and We have prepared for her a noble provision.)

@Pilgrim.1: Should i say anything? Read on. You need it, it will be a means to cleans your soul or act as a witness against you when you are on the Wariduha Alehya, over the Fire of hell. Remember, it is a HATMAN DECREE.

                                                    Allah's rebuke to His Messenger and the Story of Zayd and Zaynab

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