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skyone (m)
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Olabowale is MR. INCREDIBLE
I am fully convinced that he's next destination now is to join his fellow islamic counterpart in the cave-yard of Afghanistan.
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nwando
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Due lack of education and critical thinking several myths have taken root in the Muslim world over the ages, and there have not been any efforts in the past to clear these doubts. On the contrary, there has been a sort of effort to strengthen these myths and misconceptions. These misinterpretations of Islamic teachings have taken their toll on the Muslim world and have strengthened a misplaced perception that Islam is a symbol of obscurantism, a religion of intolerance and answers everything with the sword. And there is no bigger misconception-strengthened with misunderstanding of Islamic beliefs over the years-other than the belief that Islam doesn't tolerate apostasy. The Christian missionaries and the Western world are cashing in on it. Ulama have tried to strengthen their point of view and several leading Muslim reformists have failed to tackle the issue. This misconception has also presented Islam as a medieval and killer religion. Islam bashers like you Nwando have time and again tried to carry the point by pointing out that Islam orders the killing of a person if he or she reverts to another religion from Islam. Nobody is forthcoming to challenge this widely held belief as well as put forth a convincing argument about the misinterpretation of Qur'anic teachings by Ulama. The Qur’an is completely silent on any worldly punishment for apostasy and the sole Tradition that forms the basis of rulings is open to many interpretations. Prophet (pbuh) is reported to have said: ‘Whosoever changes his religion, Kill Him (man baddala Dinahu faqtuluhu)’”. It is this last quote from the Prophet that forms the basis of the said ruling. Finally, there is the crucial dispute over the nature of the punishment and the crime. Al-Nakha’ee and, according to Sha’rani, al-Thawri, hold that the apostate is a grave sinner who should however be continuously called back to the fold for the rest of his life, and not killed. By implication, they do not consider the offence a hadd (fixed penalty) offence with a fixed punishment that must be carried out. He then adds in the case of apostasy “renunciation of the faith and conversion to disbelief is admittedly the greatest of offences, yet it is a matter between man and his Creator, and its punishment is postponed to the day of Judgement. (“fa’l jaza’ ‘alayha mu’akhkhar ila dar al-jaza”). If repentance is accepted, then apostasy is not a hadd offence with a fixed punishment. Secondly, once scholars accept that a Muslim apostate has the right to be given the opportunity to repent, they lose the right to set a time limit for his repentance. Allah (SWT) says in the Glorious Qur’an (39: 53-54: Say: “ O you servants of Mine who have transgressed against your own selves! Despair not of God’s mercy. Behold God forgives all sins, for verily He is much forgiving, a dispenser of grace! Hence, turn toward your sustainer and surrender yourselves unto him before the suffering (of death and resurrection) comes upon you for then you will not be succored.”
Any scholar who says the death sentence applies to leaving the faith, then the convict is to be given a life-time to repent. One must conclude that the death sentence is not for “simple apostasy” (mujarrad al-ridda), but for apostasy accompanied by treason and sedition, or by the abuse and slander (sabb) of the Noble Prophet. Freedom to convert to or from Islam "Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance." Article 18 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. The Glorious Qur'an says, "Let there be no compulsion in the religion: Surely the Right Path is clearly distinct from the crooked path." Al Baqarah, 2:256.
"Those who believe, then disbelieve, then believe again, then disbelieve, and then increase in their disbelief - Allah will never forgive them nor guide them to the path." Surah An-Nisa', 4:137. For example, the Qur'an says: "Let him who wishes to believe, do so; and let him who wishes to disbelieve, do so." (Al-Kahf: 29)
In another verse, Allah Almighty says: "Yours is only the duty to convey the message; you are not a guardian over them." (Al-Ghashiyah: 21- 22)
The quotation from Surah An-Nisa', 4:137, shown above, seems to imply that multiple, sequential apostasies are possible. That would not be possible if the person were executed after the first apostasy.[/b] From the above verses it can be argued that religious freedom and the absence of compulsion in religion requires that individuals be allowed adopt a religion or to convert to another religion without legal penalty. [b]Hence the death penalty is not an appropriate response to apostasy. Muslims who support the death penalty for apostasy use as their foundation the above cited hadith, in which the Prophet (pbuh) is reported to have said: "Kill whoever changes his religion." But this is a weak foundation because this hadith was only transmitted from Muhammad (pbuh) by one individual. It was not confirmed by a second person. According to Islamic law, this is insufficient confirmation to impose the death penalty. The Shari`ah has not fixed any punishment for apostasy.
Many scholars interpret this passage as referring only to instances of high treason. (e.g. declaring war on Islam, Muhammad (pbuh), God, etc.). There is no historical record, which indicates that Muhammad (pbuh) or any of his companions ever sentenced anyone to death for apostasy.
The question of apostasy has been debated among scholars based on their interpretations of some hadiths since the Qur'an does not specify any worldly punishment for it. For example, there was a case at the time of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) where a man came to him in three consecutive days and told him that he wanted to apostate. The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) never took any action against him, and when the man finally left Madina, the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) never sent anyone to arrest him, let alone kill him.
This is why some scholars distinguished between individual apostasy and apostasy which is accompanied by high treason. So, it cannot be confused with the freedom of conscience for every individual, which has been guaranteed in the Qur'an through hundreds of verses. For example, one version of a hadith narrated by `A'isha (RA) concerning apostasy relates to one who left his religion and fought against Muslims. QUR'ANIC VIEWS The Qur’an has referred to the issue of apostasy at more than one place (for example see Al-Baqarah 2: 217, Al-Baqarah 2: 108, A’l Imra’n 3: 90, Al-Nisa’ 4: 137 and Al-Nahl 16: 106). But at none of these places does the Qur’an mention the punishment of death for such people who change their religion. The Qur’an does mention that such people shall face a terrible punishment in the hereafter but no worldly punishment is mentioned at any of these instances in the Qur’an. This situation obviously raises a question mark in the mind of the reader that if Allah had wanted to give the punishment of an apostate a permanent position in the Shari`ah, the punishment should have been mentioned, at least at one of the above mentioned places. If the Qur’an had kept completely silent about the apostate, the matter would have been different. But the strange thing is that the Qur’an mentions apostasy, and still does not mention the punishment (if any) it wants the apostate to be subjected to. Furthermore, the Qur’an has strictly disallowed the imposition of the death penalty except in two specific cases. One of them is where the person is guilty of murdering another person and the other is where a person is guilty of creating unrest in the country (fasa’d fil-ardh) like being involved in activities that create unrest in a society, for example activities like terrorism etc. The Qur’an says: Whoever kills a person without his being guilty of murder or of creating unrest in the land, is as though he kills the whole of mankind. (Al-Ma’idah, 5: 32)
Obviously, apostasy can neither be termed as "murder" nor "creating unrest in the land". Thus, in view of the above facts, we are left with one option only. We can only say that either the saying has been wrongly ascribed to the Prophet (pbuh), as it is clearly contradictory to the Qur’an and the Prophet could not have said anything contradictory to the Qur’an, or that the saying ascribed to the Prophet (pbuh) relates not to all apostates but to a particular and specific people.
Misinterpretation of the hadith, Man baddala Dinahu faqtuluh (kill him who changes his religion) has caused the problem. This order has been made to look general and permanent, though it was said in a particular circumstance for a particular group.
This order was made to counter a scheme prepared by Jews of Madinah. They had planned that some of them embrace Islam for some time and then return to their old religion. Then some other people do the same. It was aimed to create restlessness among Muslims against their own leadership so that the strong Muslim unity should start crumbling. It was made clear in Qur'an in (Aal Imran, 3: 72-73). To counter this planning the Prophet (SAW) ordered his companions to act in such a manner. Despite this order lengthy investigations were made to ascertain that the case was true and the person concerned was given adequate time to explain before the punishment was carried out. Lack of clear grasp of Qur'an misguided even leading Ulama. Otherwise it was not difficult to understand the hadith. Qur'anic teachings on the issue were not kept in mind. Nwando i think this as laid to rest the misconception about the hadith you have quoted.
If you have got any questions about it, you might post it when the forum is open,
Or conatct me through my mail fur further explanation. mdsocks@fastmail.fm
mdsocks thanks for your attempts at portraying Islam as a tolerant religion,however,that is not the reality in our world. In Egypt ,in the year 2007,it is illegal for a Muslim woman to marry a non muslim. A woman must remain the religion of her father if her father is muslim meaning that as long as her father is Muslim she cannot convert to Christianity. Christians girls in many Muslim countries including Nigeria are abducted,raped and forcefully converted. Christian girls are forced to wear Islamic head coverings. In Malaysia,once born a Muslim you continue to have Muslim on your ID card no matter what you convert to,till the day you die. Several Muslims on nairaland including Bellotti have told us unashamedly that the punishment for adultery apostacy,desecration of Koran is death and that is enshrined in most sharia laws or individual Muslims would kill the people themselves. Why do you think those Sudanese wanted Gibbons killed? are you reading a different Koran and hadith from theirs? If a Christian today tells you anyone who stomps on the Bible ought to be killed,it would be a big lie because it's not Biblical,Christ never preached or did so. The fact that majority of Sharia laws and individual Muslims would kill at the slightest provocation, speaks volumes about Islam. It already shows itself up as a religion with some violent consequences and the media has nothing to do with this portrayal. Any religion that threatens its followers with death is no longer a religion,there is no difference between it and communism and mind control. Many remain there for fear of death even at the hands of their own father not love for Islam. Which other religion would a religious leader preach a sermon and it's followers pour out in the streets and begin killing innocent citizens unprovoked while shouting allahu akhbar ?
Have you ever asked yourself a simple question
Why are plenty of my fellow Mulsims so violent?
why should a merciful allah ask humans to stone a woman to death?
How can a compassionate allah sanction killings?
is there no room for repentance in his heart
Even Amadioha and shango are not that wicked and unforgiving.
When was the last time you heard Christians burning down mosques,beheading Muslims,blowing themselves up in buses,threatening to kill in the name of Christ,killing innocent school children and forcefully converting people at gun and knifepoint?
Why do you think Islam forbids Christian evangelism?growth of churches and forces it's Christian minority to basically stay unheard
what are they scared of?Could it be because they know that the bill of goods Muhammad sold them cannot compare to the message of love and real peace which only Christ can give ? I pray the Lord opens your eyes some day. I must commend your gentle demeanor but frankly Islam is the most violent and most intolerant religion on the face of the earth.
The constant killings even blowing up of mosques between Shittes and Sunnis tell us something that you choose to ignore.
Islam is a dictatorial violent force not a religion of peace by any stretch of the imagination.But I hope many catch onto this your peaceful and humane version. That is what we need. Enough of the inhuman treatment of non Muslims in Muslim lands and beyond. Take a poll of this thread alone of all the Muslims that contributed,only yourself and Mukina2 outrightly condemned the Sudanese sharia.
All the other clowns that commented were dancing kokoma and owigiri on the subject.
That is the problem we have with Islam.
The voices of reason are very very few that should make us all very uneasy about you folks |
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nwando
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chei. It felt like writing a phD thesis. Quite unlike me  |
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mdsocks thanks for your attempts at portraying Islam as a tolerant religion,however,that is not the reality in our world. (But Christianity has no reality. Ask the Jews why the refused to even acknowledge Jesus?
In Egypt ,in the year 2007,it is illegal for a Muslim woman to marry a non muslim. (How can good woman belong to a bad man, a filth?
A woman must remain the religion of her father if her father is muslim meaning that as long as her father is Muslim she cannot convert to Christianity. (Is there anything that is good in Christianity that is humanly possible to accept? The concept of Turning the other cheek has not sank in, in over 2000 years that the Christians have been playing with it. Show me an example? Zero. Its unreal. Trinity is like a fantasy.
Christians girls in many Muslim countries including Nigeria are abducted,raped and forcefully converted. (A man who abducts, rapes, forcible converts any one does not follow Muhammad. Oppression, illegal sex and forcing people are Unislamic. Next topic.
Christian girls are forced to wear Islamic head coverings. (At least they are not naked. Most would love to be stark naked. They are quick to show us their underpants. Yet they say they are fully dressed!
In Malaysia,once born a Muslim you continue to have Muslim on your ID card no matter what you convert to,till the day you die. (If you can't stand the heat get out of the Kitchen.
Several Muslims on nairaland including Bellotti have told us unashamedly that the punishment for adultery apostacy,desecration of Koran is death and that is enshrined in most sharia laws or individual Muslims would kill the people themselves. (Adulterer deserve death, if that is the law of God.
Why do you think those Sudanese wanted Gibbons killed? (You know the unseen, so give us what will happen next year?
are you reading a different Koran and hadith from theirs? (It is Qur'an.
If a Christian today tells you anyone who stomps on the Bible ought to be killed,it would be a big lie because it's not Biblical,Christ never preached or did so. (Jesus never saw a single Bible with his own eyes. How can he legislate on what he never knew? Jesus was not even a CHRISTIAN! Hello!
The fact that majority of Sharia laws and individual Muslims would kill at the slightest provocation, speaks volumes about Islam. (I never have killed before. Okay, am in the minority, in close to a Billion people.
It already shows itself up as a religion with some violent consequences and the media has nothing to do with this portrayal. (How many killings of nations in the Old Testaments? What happened in the 2 world wars? The big nations in the fights were Muslims? I do not think so.
Any religion that threatens its followers with death is no longer a religion,there is no difference between it and communism and mind control. (Never have I heard such a HOGWASH. Yet the Christians use their pretty white women, to convert the innocence of the Ignorant African Muslims into the tune of 6 Millions per year? It sounds disingenuous to me.
Many remain there for fear of death even at the hands of their own father not love for Islam. (Again. I need to know what will happen in this world, from the future knower?
Which other religion would a religious leader preach a sermon and it's followers pour out in the streets and begin killing innocent citizens unprovoked while shouting allahu akhbar ? (The great obsession with Islam skyrocketed without any shame and fear of God, since 911. The jury is still out on many matters.
Have you ever asked yourself a simple question
Why are plenty of my fellow Mulsims so violent? (We have nations which claim to be Christian nations, declaring hostility on Muslims around the world. Which one is worse?
why should a merciful Allah ask humans to stone a woman to death? (The kind hearted person who will become a monster when their partner stray will not understand the legislation, when the going is good.
How can a compassionate Allah sanction killings? (How many killing of city states did Jewish God sanction in the OT? What about the death of the Innocent man on the Cross in the NT?
is there no room for repentance in his heart (Allah says in many verses of the Qur'an; People can apostate over and over until death comes to them. God Almighty says He covers people evil and shameful deeds until they themselves reveal it. This is the highest of mercy.
Even Amadioha and shango are not that wicked and unforgiving. (Yet they will all not be able to save their worshippers. Allah is capable to forgive and punish whosoever He wills.
When was the last time you heard Christians burning down mosques,beheading Muslims,blowing themselves up in buses,threatening to kill in the name of Christ,killing innocent school children and forcefully converting people at gun and knifepoint? (Ever heard of Spanish Inquisition? What about the European pogrom? Oh, the last one was on the Jews. When the Christian nations do any killings, it is okay.
Why do you think Islam forbids Christian evangelism?growth of churches and forces it's Christian minority to basically stay unheard
what are they scared of? (Christians will never be satisfied until they eradicate Islam. But Alhamdulillah, it will be impossible. Their efforts will always be ZERO.
Could it be because they know that the bill of goods Muhammad sold them cannot compare to the message of love and real peace which only Christ can give ? (Christ was not a Christian. More importantly, Muhammad is in a highest grade amongst the Prophets and Messengers of Allah. Allah declares in Surah Alam Nashrak; And We (Allah alone), raised you to the highest level. In many places, He said Muhammad is My Messenger.
I pray the Lord opens your eyes some day. (Some make prayers that will never be accepted. Its like saying that God was a helpless kid before. Oh, the Christians already are sold on that line of belief already.
I must commend your gentle demeanor but frankly Islam is the most violent and most intolerant religion on the face of the earth. (And some who are not Muslims are so vile and evil. They could not even contain what was in their hearts. It had to come out. See how Allah reveals what was in the depth of the soul? Thats courtesy of 911.
The constant killings even blowing up of mosques between Shittes and Sunnis tell us something that you choose to ignore. (30 years ago, it was unheard of in Iraq! I wonder what happened to them that they kill one another off now?
Islam is a dictatorial violent force not a religion of peace by any stretch of the imagination. (People whose hearts could not be clean enough to forgive, how could they even understand anything in Islam? Yet they want to educate us the Muslims.
But I hope many catch onto this your peaceful and humane version. (Even if all Muslims become like Doves, some people will never be satisfied.
That is what we need. (Whoever is not a Muslim, will have no part of the goods of the day of Judgement. It is a HATMAN DECREE; This is for your enjoyment, Pilgrim.1!
Enough of the inhuman treatment of non Muslims in Muslim lands and beyond. (I am dumb founded.
Take a poll of this thread alone of all the Muslims that contributed,only yourself and Mukina2 outrightly condemned the Sudanese sharia. (Islam is not homogeneous. We all have our personalities. Unlike Christianity; Slap you once, turn the other cheek. How do you expalin that one, whenyou know that it is impossible to follow?
All the other clowns that commented were dancing kokoma and owigiri on the subject. (Kokoma, is an old dance. They do that today? It shows. The Christians are good at unearthing some old relics.
That is the problem we have with Islam. (The reformer of Islam is holding court. lol.
The voices of reason are very very few that should make us all very uneasy about you folks (Those who fail to accept Islam, will not be helped from the wrath of God. Is there a true voice of reason in Christianity? Does any follow Jesus, or it Paul that they follow?
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olabowale (m)
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A nice expose on the religion of peace "undercover mosque" see what the" religion of peace" teaches its adherents. (What the entrant did not hear because of the poor condition of the heart, is what the other Muslims said. Wahabi sect is one of the 73. There are others who practice classical Islam. The Senior VP of my company is Jewish. The Secretary is Swiss Catholic and the Treasurer is a Hungarian Christian. Yet, Olabowale is a Muslim. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peFQWuk4nuo&feature=related |
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nwando
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A nice expose on the religion of peace "undercover mosque" see what the" religion of peace" teaches its adherents. ( What the entrant did not hear because of the poor condition of the heart, is what the other Muslims said. Wahabi sect is one of the 73. There are others who practice classical Islam. The Senior VP of my company is Jewish. The Secretary is Swiss Catholic and the Treasurer is a Hungarian Christian. Yet, Olabowale is a Muslim. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peFQWuk4nuo&feature=relatedThe truth don dey commot ya mouth kadan kadandidn't you say all Muslims are one with 5 pillars and one Koran and there are no denominations. so which one be classical Islam and "Tokunbo" Islam kai menene!! |
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Modups! (f)
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na wa oh  some people know how to do bizness sha! teddy M, its going to sell like hot cake!!!!!!!! |
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olabowale (m)
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A wise businessman is already selling the bears. (Buy a few and send me some, for your Christmas! lol.
My main man davidylan, hello. Are you there? Anyone home? I was mad at first, but Allah from His
Mercy calmed my heart. I see how people could be led astray my a traumatic event(s) in their live! You too,
Nwando. I am truly a Lover. It unlike your slogan, which depicts, the exact opposite of your behaviour!
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nwando
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A wise businessman is already selling the bears. (Buy a few and send me some, for your Christmas! lol.
My main man davidylan, hello. Are you there? Anyone home? I was mad at first, but Allah from His
Mercy calmed my heart. I see how people could be led astray my a traumatic event(s) in their live! You too,
Nwando I am truly a Lover. It unlike your slogan, which depicts, the exact opposite of your behaviour!
You don't know me. na so so love love fill my heart. die hard romantic like me. If madam is half as loving as moi,you don already enter jannat. kai menene |
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olabowale (m)
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If that is true that you are a LOVER, put Abayya on for the Mister.
I will not respond to the rest. What happens in Vegas should not sperad out beyond the STRIP!
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nwando
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what is abaya?
an aphrodisiac?
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focused (m)
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@Nwando :
I am sure Olabowale and other muslim enthusiast know that their Islamic religion is manufactured from the kingdom of darkness.
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nwando
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@Nwando :
I am sure Olabowale and other muslim enthusiast know that their Islamic religion is manufactured from the kingdom of darkness.
are you telling me? They know Thank God those who no know are beginning to know. Many Muslims on this site have expressed surprise at certain actions of Mohammed and teachings of Islam that they never knew about. I will not mention names  Let's keep casting our bread upon the waters |
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olabowale (m)
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If I have a billion USD for every time I know that it is only a blowing wind gimmick that is at play,
by now, I could been able to Bankroll Nigeria out of the perennial malaise that has plagued her
Psyche. Nwando, any Muslim who is surprised at anything about Muhammad is not a Muslim!
Muhammad, is the only person from his time onward, to the end of time, whose opinion can't be
challenged! Allah Almighty says in several verses of the Qur'an that whatever Muhammad give, it
should be taken, whatever he forbids, should be dropped. Allah also says, if you love Me, obey
Muhammad. Allah will love you back and He will make your way easy and forbids you your sins!
So Nwando, whats on your plate today?
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nwando
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If I have a billion USD for every time I know that it is only a blowing wind gimmick that is at play,
by now, I could been able to Bankroll Nigeria out of the perennial malaise that has plagued her
Psyche. Nwando, any Muslim who is surprised at anything about Muhammad is not a Muslim!
Muhammad, is the only person from his time onward, to the end of time, whose opinion can't be
challenged! Allah Almighty says in several verses of the Qur'an that whatever Muhammad give, it
should be taken, whatever he forbids, should be dropped. Allah also says, if you love Me, obey
Muhammad. Allah will love you back and He will make your way easy and forbids you your sins!
So Nwando, whats on your plate today? Semolina with egusi soup |
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olabowale (m)
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@Focused: Sometimes, I think you are just not serious enough about the topics, by your one liner responses?
@Olabowale :
Honestly, you are a hard sell .
So if I buy you a beer, you will take it and drink, that means you are not a good muslims, you are simply picking and choosing. ( First, I am not a drinker. I can't stand the smell of alcohol/liquor! In Islam, there is always condition that governs any jurisprudence. So, if a condition warrants a Muslim to drink beer to preserve his/her life, it is permissable. The same thing applies to pork. Preservation of life is more important than rigidity. For example a man can do a dry clean soil purification known as tayammum, if there is fear of one losing ones life, if water were used. Say using ice cold water to take bath/shower in the dead of winter, in a very cold environment. Death may occur and Islam does not want people to die as if committing suicide/murder!
@Nwando: I was simply saying that I hope the food, or drink or (Thing that can be smoked), does not bring out the untruthfulness! lol.
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@Nwando: I was simply saying that I hope the food, or drink or (Thing that can be smoked), does not bring out the untruthfulness! lol.
I have been able to prove all my claims hon and you know it I understood you,I just made a joke with the egusi soup bit |
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pilgrim.1 (f)
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Semolina with egusi soup
@nwando, Infact sef. . . I wan log out make I sidon wak that dish belleful! |
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OMUWUNMI
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allah because of that i go change my dog name from bingo to mohammed,nonsense
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olabowale (m)
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@Pilgrim.1: She you don finish ya pressing appointment?
Are you ready to rumble? Let go on a more pressing matter, the plagiarising
thread! You bring your Bible and the Qur'an is always standing ready! I don't
think Nwando is up to the challenge. Neither are you, but you are more of a
fresher blood! lol.
I could have invited Omuwunmi. But i am not so sure if she is up to it!
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nwando
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@Pilgrim.1: She you don finish ya pressing appointment?
Are you ready to rumble? Let go on a more pressing matter, the plagiarising
thread! You bring your Bible and the Qur'an is always standing ready! I don't
think Nwando is up to the challenge. Neither are you, but you are more of a
fresher blood! lol.
I could have invited Omuwunmi. But i am not so sure if she is up to it!
olabowole,can you let your wife come to nairaland,I'll love to show her a thing or two even though I have the nagging suspicion she's been on this thread. Am I wrong or right? |
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OMUWUNMI
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@Pilgrim.1: She you don finish ya pressing appointment?
Are you ready to rumble? Let go on a more pressing matter, the plagiarising
thread! You bring your Bible and the Qur'an is always standing ready! I don't
think Nwando is up to the challenge. Neither are you, but you are more of a
fresher blood! lol.
I could have invited Omuwunmi. But i am not so sure if she is up to it!
alhaji walahi talahi you be proper ASHAWO just because you see OMU for the front of my name you want invite me,invite me for wetin?see your life,so with all this your holy holy if you see toto you go do?well na your eye see am your thing no go touch am as i no go gree you touch me,my THN is only for mohammed and you know say if him catch you near me na kill him go kill you {no thanks to sharia} |
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alhaji walahi talahi you be proper ASHAWO just because you see OMU for the front of my name you want invite me,invite me for wetin?see your life,so with all this your holy holy if you see toto you go do?well na your eye see am your thing no go touch am as i no go gree you touch me,my THN is only for mohammed and you know say if him catch you near me na kill him go kill you {no thanks to sharia} This person showed what christianity is all about and how they can be so raw publicly. |
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OMUWUNMI
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This person showed what christianity is all about and how they can be so raw publicly.
see youurself,wetin dey for my write up to show say i be christain?se na the walahi talahi,omu,toto or my thing na for mohammedi wey i write?it shows how myopic you are and how much you hate christains and christainity,for your information i be liberal muslim but not a practising moslem,because i dey booze,smoke,do the do{fok}and i no dey follow una kill people{i,m not sorry to disappoint you}and talking about being raw in public,its my life,i don't need to live it to please you or any fokn soul and for your info its a free world,and in case you have forgotten you are on nairaland,not afghanistan,pakistan,saudi,iraq or zamfara,alhaji WELCOME TO NAIRALAND |
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May kelly (f)
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Well before i santion the teacher i need to ask her some few questions:
1. Is she aware of the bear naming by her student or is she the one that named the bear Muhammad?
2. Does she understand the name Muhammed in Sudan cultural way or whatever?
can someone give me the answer now
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@olabowale
I have examined your replies to Nwando's comments and I've totally seen what I've seen in other Muslims; hardheardedness. How will you give such baseless replies to questions. Let's examine your replies.
But Christianity has no reality. Ask the Jews why the refused to even acknowledge Jesus? (They refused to accept Jesus the same way others did not accept Islam till the swords and matchetes where put to their heads)
How can good woman belong to a bad man, a filth And why should the government be the one to choose who you'll marry. And besides a woman is not a belonging.
Is there anything that is good in Christianity that is humanly possible to accept? The concept of Turning the other cheek has not sank in, in over 2000 years that the Christians have been playing with it. Show me an example? Zero. Its unreal. Trinity is like a fantasy Ok, that's your own opinion and noone is forcing you to believe in the trinity.
A man who abducts, rapes, forcible converts any one does not follow Muhammad. Oppression, illegal sex and forcing people are Unislamic. This is where you just hung yourself. Meaning Muhammad is not Islamic.
At least they are not naked. Most would love to be stark naked. They are quick to show us their underpants. Yet they say they are fully dressed Since they have made their own choices leave them.
If you can't stand the heat get out of the Kitchen. That's the most unecessary collection of rubbish I ever heard. So u should be stripped of your citizenship because you do not belong to a religion. Just when I thought I could say racists are evil.
Adulterer deserve death, if that is the law of God. Osama, are u reading this, you just got a chief striker for your West African chapter.
You know the unseen, so give us what will happen next year? Pointless talk
are you reading a different Koran and hadith from theirs? (It is Qur'an) You intelligently skipped the question.
Jesus never saw a single Bible with his own eyes. How can he legislate on what he never knew? Jesus was not even a CHRISTIAN! Jesus never saw a Bible, he inspired it. He made so much impact for leaving on the earth for thirty-three years. He didn't even make laws. Buddha wasn't a Buddhist either just as Sango was no Sango-worshipper.
I never have killed before. Okay, am in the minority, in close to a Billion people. (Osama is not a bomber too, he inspires people to kill, and stupidly commit sucide for virgins. You believe in letting people murder other people, believe me u don't have to carry a gun)
How many killings of nations in the Old Testaments? What happened in the 2 world wars? The big nations in the fights were Muslims? I do not think so. In the Old Testament, there were no christian nations there, as u know christianity started fro Jesus Christ. And besides that was long before civilisation.
Never have I heard such a HOGWASH. Yet the Christians use their pretty white women, to convert the innocence of the Ignorant African Muslims into the tune of 6 Millions per year? It sounds disingenuous to me. Liar, check the history of christianity in Nigeria. Missionaries, with more men, infact they came in ships how do women manage to manoeuver ships. How did Islam spread?
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babs787 (m)
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@omuwunmi see youurself,wetin dey for my write up to show say i be christain?se na the walahi talahi,omu,toto or my thing na for mohammedi wey i write?it shows how myopic you are and how much you hate christains and christainity, Point of correction, I don't hate christians because I have them as friends but telling you now that christianity is a fraud. for your information i be liberal muslim but not a practising moslem, Your post exposed your dishonesty. Go and learn what it is meant by being a muslim; its not bearing a muslim name, living in a muslim community, having muslim parent etc that qualifies you to be a muslim. A muslim is someone that does the will of God. I don't want to go into that much but if you need any assistance in relation to what Islam is about, google it out or call on me and I will put you through rather than showing your ignorance here . Since you are not a practising muslim how does that qualifies you to be a muslim because you are acting against what Muslim stands for. because i dey booze, You still showed yourself here. Since you claimed that you are a muslim, please can you please show where we are told to booze? You can never be a muslim because you are acting oppostire the commandment of the creator. smoke, What do you smoke, weed, ganja or what ? do the do{fok} Ots is becoming clearer that you are not a muslim and I even doubt it if you are having a wife hence your doing the fokking as put by you. and i no dey follow una kill people{i,m not sorry to disappoint you} I have not killed anybody and I will never do that because my creator is against that. and talking about being raw in public,its my life,i don't need to live it to please you or any fokn soul and for your info its a free world, Go on ,its your life to be raw but let me remind you that you will be accountable for your deeds and action when the D-day comes and please make sure you are prepapred because if you don't have Islam, nothing for you (being a practising muslim). and in case you have forgotten you are on nairaland, Do you have to post foul tstatement because you are on Niaraland? not afghanistan,pakistan,saudi,iraq or zamfara, Thank you alhaji WELCOME TO NAIRALAND Welcome |
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babs787 (m)
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@ eldee @olabowale
I have examined your replies to Nwando's comments and I've totally seen what I've seen in other Muslims; hardheardedness. You are not in anyway different from other christians that have deception their second name. We have been asking you to present evidence of what you have been saying, Jesus dying for your sisn, being a saviour, crucifed, resurrected after three days, explanation to Jesus' unfulfilled promises, contradictions in the book etc and when you are able to provide answers, muslims will surely accept your claims but failure to do that will be a pure FRAUD. How will you give such baseless replies to questions. Let's examine your replies. Okay But Christianity has no reality. Ask the Jews why the refused to even acknowledge Jesus? (They refused to accept Jesus the same way others did not accept Islam till the swords and matchetes where put to their heads) Is that your response as well? How can good woman belong to a bad man, a filth And why should the government be the one to choose who you'll marry. And besides a woman is not a belonging. What your response here please and are you here to contribute to the thread or not? Is there anything that is good in Christianity that is humanly possible to accept? The concept of Turning the other cheek has not sank in, in over 2000 years that the Christians have been playing with it. Show me an example? Zero. Its unreal. Trinity is like a fantasy Ok, that's your own opinion and noone is forcing you to believe in the trinity. Sure trinity has no basis and if it does, can I have from the OT where any of the OT preached same? I will also let you know that the symbol of cross was invetented into christianity by idol worshippers because fish happened to be the symbol before it was changed to cross. Let me have the history of trinity from you please. A man who abducts, rapes, forcible converts any one does not follow Muhammad. Oppression, illegal sex and forcing people are Unislamic. This is where you just hung yourself. Meaning Muhammad is not Islamic. Serve your response and I will start from OT, giving you verses on the above issues as being practised in your bible. If you can't stand the heat get out of the Kitchen. That's the most unecessary collection of rubbish I ever heard. So u should be stripped of your citizenship because you do not belong to a religion. Just when I thought I could say racists are evil. Can we have your religious contribution to the above statement? Adulterer deserve death, if that is the law of God. Osama, are u reading this, you just got a chief striker for your West African chapter. Is the above still your response or don't you have verses from OT or NT butressing the claim up? You know the unseen, so give us what will happen next year? Pointless talk. You have been the one making pointless talk. You provided response that has not biblical verses. I honestly thought that you wanted to proffer solution using bible as your reference. are you reading a different Koran and hadith from theirs? (It is Qur'an) You intelligently skipped the question. What question please? Jesus never saw a single Bible with his own eyes. How can he legislate on what he never knew? Jesus was not even a CHRISTIAN! Jesus never saw a Bible, he inspired it. He made so much impact for leaving on the earth for thirty-three years. He didn't even make laws. Buddha wasn't a Buddhist either just as Sango was no Sango-worshipper. Brother, can you beat your chest that the revelation we are having now is the same as that revealed to early prophets and do you have evidence that Jesus and his disciples were christians? I never have killed before. Okay, am in the minority, in close to a Billion people. (Osama is not a bomber too, he inspires people to kill, and stupidly commit sucide for virgins. You believe in letting people murder other people, believe me u don't have to carry a gun) Do you read your bible at all. If you do, have you come across verses where innocwnt soul were killed and virgins kept How many killings of nations in the Old Testaments? What happened in the 2 world wars? The big nations in the fights were Muslims? I do not think so. In the Old Testament, there were no christian nations there, as u know christianity started fro Jesus Christ. And besides that was long before civilisation. Do you have your proof that it started from Jesus and was he a christian as well. You may give me the definition of christianity as well. |
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OMUWUNMI
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@omuwunmi Point of correction, I don't hate christians because I have them as friends but telling you now that christianity is a fraud. Your post exposed your dishonesty. Go and learn what it is meant by being a muslim; its not bearing a muslim name, living in a muslim community, having muslim parent etc that qualifies you to be a muslim. A muslim is someone that does the will of God. I don't want to go into that much but if you need any assistance in relation to what Islam is about, google it out or call on me and I will put you through rather than showing your ignorance here . Since you are not a practising muslim how does that qualifies you to be a muslim because you are acting against what Muslim stands for. You still showed yourself here. Since you claimed that you are a muslim, please can you please show where we are told to booze? You can never be a muslim because you are acting oppostire the commandment of the creator. What do you smoke, weed, ganja or what ? Ots is becoming clearer that you are not a muslim and I even doubt it if you are having a wife hence your doing the fokking as put by you. I have not killed anybody and I will never do that because my creator is against that. Go on ,its your life to be raw but let me remind you that you will be accountable for your deeds and action when the D-day comes and please make sure you are prepapred because if you don't have Islam, nothing for you (being a practising muslim). Do you have to post foul tstatement because you are on Niaraland? Thank you Welcome you still don't get it,i said its my life and not yours and as for the judgement day i would be judged and not you,so give me a break,all this your dogo turenci se na because i no gree make you touch me,no matter wetin you write my ansa is NOOOOOOOOOOOOO,i no dey do  Well before i santion the teacher i need to ask her some few questions:
1. Is she aware of the bear naming by her student or is she the one that named the bear Muhammad?
2. Does she understand the name Muhammed in Sudan cultural way or whatever?
can someone give me the answer now
aunty abeg no draw us back again,the matter don pass that level now we dey for injury time |
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