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soloreal (m)
Getting Rid Of Tribalism Out Of Nigeria
« on: November 27, 2007, 07:39 AM »

How do we get rid of tribalism in Nigeria and move forward like every other rich country in the world?, The only thing that brings nigerians together is Football and musical shows, what more can be done?

The ethnic groups should come together and forget religion and tribalism,I love Nigeria so much that it hurts so much seeing it go the anarchy way, attack in US and Nigeria boils,attack in Israel and Nigeria boils, riot in northern nigeria,the south boils, riot in the southern nigeria, the north boils, which way forward?

Please my fellow Nigerians lets sort our selves out

Long live the 250 ethnic groups!
Long live  Nigeria!

People your views and ideas are needed.


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olanajim (m)
Re: Getting Rid Of Tribalism Out Of Nigeria
« #1 on: November 27, 2007, 09:09 AM »

By encouraging inter-tribal marriage.
McKren (m)
Re: Getting Rid Of Tribalism Out Of Nigeria
« #2 on: November 27, 2007, 01:17 PM »

Quote from: olanajim on November 27, 2007, 09:09 AM
By encouraging inter-tribal marriage.

I agree with you
Mariory (m)
Re: Getting Rid Of Tribalism Out Of Nigeria
« #3 on: November 27, 2007, 03:34 PM »

Quote from: soloreal on November 27, 2007, 07:39 AM
Long live the 250 ethnic groups!
Long live  Nigeria!

Amen!
Kobojunkie
Re: Getting Rid Of Tribalism Out Of Nigeria
« #4 on: November 27, 2007, 05:01 PM »

I fail to see how Blaiming Tribalism and trying to get rid of it will solve anything in Nigeria. I have great respect for the way we are all people from different tribes and I see absolutely nothing wrong with tribalism itself. I remember I actually posted in a particular thread on this issue a while back and since then have noticed that the very people who stoned me and accused me of being a tribalist and hence a racist and ethnocentrist have gone ahead to insult others for their tribal affiliation in other threads. I believe we need to get off our high horses in these issues and focus more on accepting what is and turning it for our good instead. Encouraging people to sign up for inter tribal marriages is not going to solve issues. I believe we as nigerians should look more to self when we want to solve problems and not continually try to change the view of those who do not see things as we do and mark them as the problem in our own way all the time.

As long as we are humans, tribalism will always exist. If it is not tribalism, it is something else.
soloreal (m)
Re: Getting Rid Of Tribalism Out Of Nigeria
« #5 on: November 27, 2007, 05:06 PM »


your contributions are encouraging my fellow nigerians, one love to you all
naijaway (m)
Re: Getting Rid Of Tribalism Out Of Nigeria
« #6 on: November 27, 2007, 11:30 PM »

we need to ban or drastically demote traditional rulers. I bet u that will do 88% of the trick and the other 12% will dissipate with time and national fairness and much more stories of patriotism.
RichyBlacK (m)
Re: Getting Rid Of Tribalism Out Of Nigeria
« #7 on: November 28, 2007, 12:02 AM »

Quote from: Kobojunkie on November 27, 2007, 05:01 PM
I fail to see how Blaiming Tribalism and trying to get rid of it will solve anything in Nigeria. I have great respect for the way we are all people from different tribes and I see absolutely nothing wrong with tribalism itself. I remember I actually posted in a particular thread on this issue a while back and since then have noticed that the very people who stoned me and accused me of being a tribalist and hence a racist and ethnocentrist have gone ahead to insult others for their tribal affiliation in other threads. I believe we need to get off our high horses in these issues and focus more on accepting what is and turning it for our good instead. Encouraging people to sign up for inter tribal marriages is not going to solve issues. I believe we as nigerians should look more to self when we want to solve problems and not continually try to change the view of those who do not see things as we do and mark them as the problem in our own way all the time.

As long as we are humans, tribalism will always exist. If it is not tribalism, it is something else.

Please keep your myopic views to yourself. Ethnic bigot!

Yes, I slammed you first because you deserve it for insulting all the Nigerians that have given the ultimate sacrifice to preserve Nigeria's unity. Idiot!!!  Angry
RichyBlacK (m)
Re: Getting Rid Of Tribalism Out Of Nigeria
« #8 on: November 28, 2007, 12:21 AM »

Possible solutions:

1. Refraining from discouraging inter-ethnic dating and marriage. Many Nigerians are guilty of this.
2. Refraining from using ethnic slurs, e.g. ndi ngbati ngbati, awon aj'okuta ma m'omi, etc.
3. Instituting more meritocracy in the system, at whatever level or situation one finds him/herself, instead of ethnic preference
4. Teaching our kids that every person, regardless of ethnic background, should be given due respect and a fair chance. I emphasize kids because it's difficult to change adults, like the Kobojunkies of this world.
5. Desisting from consciously excluding people from other ethnic groups from our circle of friends.

Just some of my thoughts.

Please do not listen to the Kobojunkies of this world, who, like the Klu Klux Klan, cannot distinguish cultural identity from tribalism or ethnocentrism.
Kobojunkie
Re: Getting Rid Of Tribalism Out Of Nigeria
« #9 on: November 28, 2007, 12:25 AM »

Quote from: naijaway on November 27, 2007, 11:30 PM
we need to ban or drastically demote traditional rulers. I bet u that will do 88% of the trick and the other 12% will dissipate with time and national fairness and much more stories of patriotism.

But @Naijaway ,  in all of changes over history, from the very dawn of time, tribalism /racism and many others have remained. Why do we continue to cry for it to be removed from society?? That is similar to the cry of those who claim religion is there problem when religion has been from the beginning and regardless of changes to society, whichever the direction, will remain. We have seen civilizations disappear but their religion has remained and is still practised. Why do we think that tribalism will ever go away ?? Why is TRibalism even the problem?? Why do we not instead focus on accepting people as they are and instead of continually calling for the shutting up or elimination of those who do not believe or subscribe to the same ideologies that we do?? I think that happens to be our BIGGEST issue more than anything else.
adconline (m)
Re: Getting Rid Of Tribalism Out Of Nigeria
« #10 on: November 28, 2007, 06:42 AM »

easier said than done
nigeria1
Re: Getting Rid Of Tribalism Out Of Nigeria
« #11 on: November 28, 2007, 11:27 AM »

The way to get rid of tribalism is to change the constitution of Nigeria and make your state of origin , your state of birth,    And you start a new program and put people like afam , makama under special mind changing program to eliminate the tribalism in them,










dot2002 (f)
Re: Getting Rid Of Tribalism Out Of Nigeria
« #12 on: November 28, 2007, 12:21 PM »

Free education, education, education
Kobojunkie
Re: Getting Rid Of Tribalism Out Of Nigeria
« #13 on: November 28, 2007, 01:37 PM »

uumm,  we have had free education for decades now and that has still not cured anything. Even some of the most educated people we have on the planet are stilll tribalistic in nature, even though they do not wear the badge in public. And ever notice that when you get to some sort of Rally, those crying against tribalism and against such things as racism are themselves some of the worst culprits of the same without even realizing it Huh


Quote from: nigeria1 on November 28, 2007, 11:27 AM
The way to get rid of tribalism is to change the constitution of Nigeria and make your state of origin , your state of birth, And you start a new program and put people like afam , makama under special mind changing program to eliminate the tribalism in them,


Does forcing people to change cause you do not like their view and the way they choose to live their lives really make you any better a person than they are?? I mean we have seen this happen over and over in history and we still think this approach will yield good because we think when we do it, it will be any different, even though it is the same old wheel rolling?Huh
oldie (m)
Re: Getting Rid Of Tribalism Out Of Nigeria
« #14 on: November 28, 2007, 03:32 PM »

My dad once told me if availability of ECN (NEPA/PHCN)  in a street recognised tribe?
I told him NO.
Lesson?
Competence and being the best in what ever you do will always see you through no matter the situation.
I run a company and employ the best that are available.
What about you?Huh?
Kobojunkie
Re: Getting Rid Of Tribalism Out Of Nigeria
« #15 on: November 28, 2007, 03:44 PM »

Quote from: oldie on November 28, 2007, 03:32 PM
My dad once told me if availability of ECN (NEPA/PHCN) in a street recognised tribe?
I told him NO.
Lesson?
Competence and being the best in what ever you do will always see you through no matter the situation.
I run a company and employ the best that are available.
What about you?Huh?



Do you mind explain how this relates to the topic?? I mean I do not understand the question at all and if you can better explain, I may be able to post a reply.
laudate
Re: Getting Rid Of Tribalism Out Of Nigeria
« #16 on: November 28, 2007, 03:48 PM »

Quote from: Kobojunkie on November 27, 2007, 05:01 PM
I fail to see how Blaiming Tribalism and trying to get rid of it will solve anything in Nigeria. I have great respect for the way we are all people from different tribes and I see absolutely nothing wrong with tribalism itself. I remember I actually posted in a particular thread on this issue a while back and since then have noticed that the very people who stoned me and accused me of being a tribalist and hence a racist and ethnocentrist have gone ahead to insult others for their tribal affiliation in other threads. I believe we need to get off our high horses in these issues and focus more on accepting what is and turning it for our good instead. Encouraging people to sign up for inter tribal marriages is not going to solve issues. I believe we as nigerians should look more to self when we want to solve problems and not continually try to change the view of those who do not see things as we do and mark them as the problem in our own way all the time.

As long as we are humans, tribalism will always exist. If it is not tribalism, it is something else.

Quote from: RichyBlacK on November 28, 2007, 12:02 AM
Please keep your myopic views to yourself. Ethnic bigot!

Yes, I slammed you first because you deserve it for insulting all the Nigerians that have given the ultimate sacrifice to preserve Nigeria's unity. Idiot!!! Angry

Abeg, make una no stop me. . . .I wan laugh well, well!! Grin  Grin Nothing wey person eye no go see for Nairaland. I thought the difference between Nationalism and tribalism had been clearly spelt out in another thread. Yet, someone is still here moaning about seeing "absolutely nothing wrong with tribalism itself." Chukwu biko!!

Hehehe. . . . . .may God deliver us! Shocked
Kobojunkie
Re: Getting Rid Of Tribalism Out Of Nigeria
« #17 on: November 28, 2007, 04:04 PM »

Quote from: laudate on November 28, 2007, 03:48 PM
Abeg, make una no stop me. . . .I wan laugh well, well!! Grin Grin Nothing wey person eye no go see for Nairaland. I thought the difference between Nationalism and tribalism had been clearly spelt out in another thread. Yet, someone is still here moaning about seeing "absolutely nothing wrong with tribalism itself." Chukwu biko!!

Hehehe. . . . . .may God deliver us! Shocked


I am sorry if I offend you with my view but I do not see things as you do in this is all it means and come tommorow, I will still argue the same. I repect people for their views on these issues. If a person wants to be tribalistic, that is fine by me. I do not believe in denying persons their right to believe as they want to, it is the freedom we have as humans, so I do not see it as a problem.
oyb (m)
Re: Getting Rid Of Tribalism Out Of Nigeria
« #18 on: November 28, 2007, 04:07 PM »

Quote from: laudate on November 28, 2007, 03:48 PM
Abeg, make una no stop me. . . .I wan laugh well, well!! Grin  Grin Nothing wey person eye no go see for Nairaland. I thought the difference between Nationalism and tribalism had been clearly spelt out in another thread. Yet, someone is still here moaning about seeing "absolutely nothing wrong with tribalism itself." Chukwu biko!!

Hehehe. . . . . .may God deliver us! Shocked

laudate. . . long time no see. where u been?
soloreal (m)
Re: Getting Rid Of Tribalism Out Of Nigeria
« #19 on: November 28, 2007, 06:45 PM »

@RichyBlacK

 well said and  i believe naija will move forwad once we trust in our sisters and brothers from different ethnic groups.

 I believe we can make it happen,i love nigeria so much that i cry atimes when i see people suffer because of the so call [b]ETHNIC GROUPS[/b].

 lONG LIVE FEDERAL REPUBLIC OF NIGERIA!
Kobojunkie
Re: Getting Rid Of Tribalism Out Of Nigeria
« #20 on: November 28, 2007, 07:38 PM »

Quote from: soloreal on November 28, 2007, 06:45 PM
@RichyBlacK

 well said and i believe naija will move forwad once we trust in our sisters and brothers from different ethnic groups.

 I believe we can make it happen,i love nigeria so much that i cry atimes when i see people suffer because of the so call [b]ETHNIC GROUPS[/b].

 lONG LIVE FEDERAL REPUBLIC OF NIGERIA!


Are you sure the main reason why they suffer is cause of their ethnic background?? Remove that and they might still be pushed out for another reason and then another and so on.
dot2002 (f)
Re: Getting Rid Of Tribalism Out Of Nigeria
« #21 on: November 30, 2007, 07:15 PM »

Kobojunkie so what are your solutions or are you just waiting for somebody to reply so that you can start copying there post and disproving them all over! you seem to disagree with every other thinking faculty contributing to this thread, not realising everyone is right in bits.
Kobojunkie
Re: Getting Rid Of Tribalism Out Of Nigeria
« #22 on: November 30, 2007, 07:36 PM »

Quote from: dot2002 on November 30, 2007, 07:15 PM
Kobojunkie so what are your solutions or are you just waiting for somebody to reply so that you can start copying there post and disproving them all over! you seem to disagree with every other thinking faculty contributing to this thread, not realising everyone is right in bits.

The reason why I disagree with the ideas of the poster and those who are in favour of clamping down on people who freely choose to be tribalistic in their ways is cause I believe in people having freedom to express their views and so I see no reason why we should focus on those who do not agree with us but I propose that we focus more on putting forth more valid points to convince them that our side is the better instead.
 
I propose people start realizing that those who choose to be tribalistic choose to do so cause that is what THEY WANT and as long as they are not committing some sort of crime, they are free to do so. On the other hand, would also like you notice how majority of those who want to stamp down on what others believe are themselves people who are guilty of the same accusations they claim others are guilty of but are too blind to notice it.
 
I am sure this is exactly what I have been saying in my posts so far @Dot2002
dot2002 (f)
Re: Getting Rid Of Tribalism Out Of Nigeria
« #23 on: November 30, 2007, 07:44 PM »

what you wrote is the way out, i must agree. It took you a good deal seven posts! very nice, i will leave it for everybody to digest and move Nigeria forward. cheers
RichyBlacK (m)
Re: Getting Rid Of Tribalism Out Of Nigeria
« #24 on: December 01, 2007, 11:31 AM »

Quote from: Kobojunkie on November 30, 2007, 07:36 PM
The reason why I disagree with the ideas of the poster and those who are in favour of clamping down on people who freely choose to be tribalistic in their ways is cause I believe in people having freedom to express their views and so I see no reason why we should focus on those who do not agree with us but I propose that we focus more on putting forth more valid points to convince them that our side is the better instead.
 
I propose people start realizing that those who choose to be tribalistic choose to do so cause that is what THEY WANT and as long as they are not committing some sort of crime, they are free to do so. On the other hand, would also like you notice how majority of those who want to stamp down on what others believe are themselves people who are guilty of the same accusations they claim others are guilty of but are too blind to notice it.
 
I am sure this is exactly what I have been saying in my posts so far @Dot2002

So in your insane world, all is fair and good unless it is a crime. Based on that logic, adultery is good because it is not a crime in America where you live.

Well then, we'll wait till the Nigerian legislature pass laws that make tribalism a crime.
RichyBlacK (m)
Re: Getting Rid Of Tribalism Out Of Nigeria
« #25 on: December 01, 2007, 11:41 AM »

Quote from: Kobojunkie on November 28, 2007, 04:04 PM

I am sorry if I offend you with my view but I do not see things as you do in this is all it means and come tommorow, I will still argue the same. I repect people for their views on these issues. If a person wants to be tribalistic, that is fine by me. I do not believe in denying persons their right to believe as they want to, it is the freedom we have as humans, so I do not see it as a problem.

How about if a person wants to be an armed robber? I hope you won't deny him/her that right.

Hey, let's not forget those that want to be serial killers.

Thank God for people like Martin Luther King, Rosa Parks and Malcolm X, who fought against the rights of ethnic bigots. They fought to deny people like the KKK from exercising their right to hate. Thank God they weren't like Kobojunkie, who would have smiled and said: "Please let us respect the right of all racists, including the KKK, to act out their racist and ethnocentric views".

While you are in your warped world of rights, remember that America would not have been as cozy for you without the struggles of those who chose to deny racists, ethnocentric bigots, and tribalists, their right to exercise hate.
soloreal (m)
Re: Getting Rid Of Tribalism Out Of Nigeria
« #26 on: December 01, 2007, 02:26 PM »

well said @RichyBlacK
RichyBlacK (m)
Re: Getting Rid Of Tribalism Out Of Nigeria
« #27 on: December 03, 2007, 07:31 AM »

Quote from: soloreal on December 01, 2007, 02:26 PM
well said @RichyBlacK

Ogbe mi, some rights MUST be denied!

Kobojunkie lives in America but does not appreciate the struggles America has gone through in trying to stamp out hate disguised as racism, ethnocentrism and tribalism.
Afam (m)
Re: Getting Rid Of Tribalism Out Of Nigeria
« #28 on: December 03, 2007, 02:07 PM »

Quote from: RichyBlacK on December 03, 2007, 07:31 AM
Ogbe mi, some rights MUST be denied!

Kobojunkie lives in America but does not appreciate the struggles America has gone through in trying to stamp out hate disguised as racism, ethnocentrism and tribalism.

How will he understand when he is already reaping the from what others put their bloods on the line to give him?

Sometimes I wonder what goes on in this guy's head. Now you may begin to wonder why someone like this will object to suicide bombers doing their thing after all na dia right abi left sef.
mrpataki (m)
Re: Getting Rid Of Tribalism Out Of Nigeria
« #29 on: December 03, 2007, 02:18 PM »

Quote from: Afam on December 03, 2007, 02:07 PM
How will he understand when he is already reaping the from what others put their bloods on the line to give him?

Sometimes I wonder what goes on in this guy's head. Now you may begin to wonder why someone like this will object to suicide bombers doing their thing after all na dia right abi left sef.

Did you watch the Republican debate? Everyone has a right to do their own thing, but when it becomes a nuisance to the society, the law is always there to bring out a punitive measure to it.

I have a right to go and sit down on the railway track, but when it gets to become a nuisance by causing rail traffic for no just cause, then I must face the music of the law!

You have a right to be tribalistic if you so desire, but if it gets to be nuisance to the nation, be ready for what hits you next!

Peace.
Kobojunkie
Re: Getting Rid Of Tribalism Out Of Nigeria
« #30 on: December 03, 2007, 02:24 PM »

Quote from: mrpataki on December 03, 2007, 02:18 PM
Did you watch the Republican debate? Everyone has a right to do their own thing, but when it becomes a nuisance to the society, the law is always there to bring out a punitive measure to it.
I have a right to go and sit down on the railway track, but when it gets to become a nuisance by causing rail traffic for no just cause, then I must face the music of the law!

You have a right to be tribalistic if you so desire, but if it gets to be nuisance to the nation, be ready for what hits you next!

Peace.

Exactly my point. Tribalism is not a crime at all. The Only thing the law should focus on is making sure that criminals ( ie people who commit crimes) be punished for their crimes. Not go around jailing people who have a different point of view from that of others who believe it is wrong. If that were  to be the case, then every Christian/muslim and non-religious persons, who believes homosexuality is wrong,  should be prosecuted for thinking or even believing that.

Heck, I wonder if the same who want tribalists to be treated like  criminals would submit to having their own thoughts screened and they put in jail should they have thoughts or ideas contrary to that of others. I don't understand how any group of people, would want such for another group just because  they do not agree or accept their side of the argument. Heck, we might as well go back to the old days where those who had thoughts contrary to that held by the king of the land were beheaded or sold off into slavery.

What happened to tolerance??
Kobojunkie
Re: Getting Rid Of Tribalism Out Of Nigeria
« #31 on: December 04, 2007, 05:39 PM »

yes. Tolerance flies out the window and when it comes to the opposition. I wait to continue our discussion @Soloreal.  I hope to go a step further to have you see that the problem lies more with those who keep that tribalism is the problem.
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