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tlops (m)
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Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia , as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks. A day after a group of mainstream Muslim leaders pledged loyalty to Australia and her Queen at a special meeting with Prime Minister John Howard, he and his Ministers made it clear that extremists would face a crackdown. Treasurer Peter Costello, seen as heir apparent to Howard, hinted that some radical clerics could be asked to leave the country if they did not accept that Australia was a secular state, an d its laws were made by parliament. "If those are not your values, if you want a country which has Sharia law or a theocratic state, then Australia is not for you", he said on National Television
"I'd be saying to clerics who are teaching that there are two laws governing people in Australia : one the Australian law and another Islamic law that is false. If you can't agree with parliamentary law, independent courts, democracy, and would prefer Sharia law and have the opportunity to go to another country, which practices it, perhaps, then, that's a better option", Costello said.
Asked whether he meant radical clerics would be forced to leave, he said those with dual citi zenship could possibly be asked to move to the other country. Education Minister Brendan Nelson later told reporters that Muslims who did not want to accept local values should "clear off. Basically people who don't want to be Australians, and who don't want, to live by Australian values and understand them, well then, they can basically clear off", he said. Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques. Quote: "IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians."
"However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the 'politically correct' crowd began complaining about the possibility that our patriotism was offending others. I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to Australia ." "However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need t o understand." "This idea of Australia being a multi-cultural community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. And as Australians, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle." "This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom"
"We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society . Learn the language!"
"Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture." "We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us."
"If the Southern Cross offends you, or you don't like "A Fair Go", then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from. By all means, keep your culture, but do not force it on others.
"This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'."
"If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.."
Maybe if we circulate this amongst ourselves, American citizens will find the backbone to start speaking and voicing the same truths.
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ziddy (m)
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I love this guy.
He has more balls than all these European leaders put together. They're walking on eggshells around the Islamist hardliners who are so obviously cowards and opportunists. I mean why the fuc k would some imbecile from nowhere sneak into my home and start dictating to me, twisting my own laws around to suit himself and his retarded religion?
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Bankole01 (m)
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America and the rest of Europe needs such hardline stances. People have so scared and playing this political correctness foolishness. Laws are made for everyone and if you don't like it, GET OUT OF DODGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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tlops (m)
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This is what Us and UK are suffering today. They have compromised to a level which its quite to late to stand up for what they actually believed.
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Big B1 (m)
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Guys, please slow down a bit.
Of course it is easy to walk around with these kind of big balls when the population of Muslims in a country is very little.
Do not compare apple to orange. Do you guys know the population of Muslims in UK or US? When the population is high, it makes things more difficult in every way.
Politicians want the vote of the Muslims, therefore they must be extra careful when it comes to handling this type of issue.
Yes, you can give the big bravo to this cat, but exactly how many Muslims is he speaking to? What is the percentage of Muslim population (who are eligible to vote) in Australia? My answer: Not much. Don't be a fool, this is all politics indirectly.
I may be wrong, please educate me.
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Yanga Rat
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Big B1 you dey make case where case no dey. Abi na lawyer you dey do for Lagos ?
Who care whether na only one Sharia terrorist them tell to leave Australia and go back to him country, or whether na one million of them ?
Na very fine and good example Australia don show these Bin Laden boys them, with them long biya-biya when resemble mad person own, as Australia president come order them to pack up them Sharia terror system, go take am go begin dey punish women for Pakistan or Iran, so far no be by force person go talk say him go live for Australia, and Austraila gofment don talk am say them no need any mad oppressive religious fanatics for them country.
Good riddance to bad rubbish. Wettin remain na for UK and USA to follow Australia example and tell these mullah people say " If you no like we modern country to live, then LEAVE am go tanda for ya own backward country, because nobody beg you to come visit where ya mumu Bin Laden death-worshipping people no dey gofment at all."
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davidylan (m)
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About time the US and UK began to borrow a leaf from the Australians if not we will end up with a situation such as in France and Holland were demons in the cloaks of islam begin to hold the state to ransom.
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oldie (m)
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I mean why the fuc k would some imbecile from nowhere sneak into my home and start dictating to me, twisting my own laws around to suit himself and his retarded religion? Who are you to be judgemental about other religions? Comments like this, create more problems All tenets should preach tolerance
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ono (m)
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Source please. This is a very good one though.
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Bankole01 (m)
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All tenets should preach tolerance
Easy to say, but not practised in Islam. Go to any Islamic country and see how tolerant they are when you try to live a life considered normal in any other country not so resrictive. If they don't chop off your head for touching a Koran, or even looking at it, then come back and tell us about intolerance. Only Jesus Christ preached tolerance and praying for your enemies. The muslims are taking advantage of these Christian tolerance to wage unholy wars on peaceful people. It is about time, more severe laws are laid down for ignorant and backward people, about how to live in a civilised society.
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oldie (m)
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Easy to say, but not practised in Islam. Go to any Islamic country and see how tolerant they are when you try to live a life considered normal in any other country not so resrictive. If they don't chop off your head for touching a Koran, or even looking at it, then come back and tell us about intolerance How many "Islamic countries" have you visited, to pass a judgement like that! Your info is got from often tainted perspective of the American media, who are more afraid of their shadows more than anything please try to explore the world and you will be surprised at what you discover Only Jesus Christ preached tolerance and praying for your enemies. The muslims are taking advantage of these Christian tolerance to wage unholy wars on peaceful people. It is about time, more severe laws are laid down for ignorant and backward people, about how to live in a civilised society.
There you go again, sounding like an american lapdog,, sounding more american than america! Do not judge others by your standards or your beliefs And who says your standards are the best?
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presido1
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You guys are getting it wrong, such thing can never happen here in Uk i don't know of US. Its way too late for such comment to be made in UK. They have gained ground that they must pray every hour at work and their manager can do a shit about it. As somebody said, its all about politics, their vote might not really count in Australia but it will here big time. At moment Uk gives them visa and asylum more than christians when they know clearly that they don't normally work(Somalins as a Case Study) so i think they what they are doing.
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tlops (m)
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Guys, please slow down a bit.
Of course it is easy to walk around with these kind of big balls when the population of Muslims in a country is very little.
Do not compare apple to orange. Do you guys know the population of Muslims in UK or US? When the population is high, it makes things more difficult in every way.
Don't be a fool, this is all politics indirectly.
I may be wrong, please educate me.
Well I think if they had had their guts at the begining rather than giving in to compromise they will not be in this situation. an adage say u should cut or relocate an iroko growing by your fence when its young otherwise it will in future uproot your fence, that is what has happened to places they have given these people a chance. so its a good thing that Australian are making it known now that they are not will to compromise their culture and foundational principles for some snitches, so with this their population will never matter and if it does matter, they know the law and it will not bend to accommodate any intolerant religious demands, so anyway politician will still get their vote. and I think they should warn future politicians not to sell their national identities for selfish ambitions like the politician in Us have done. Easy to say, but not practised in Islam. Go to any Islamic country and see how tolerant they are when you try to live a life considered normal in any other country not so resrictive. If they don't chop off your head for touching a Koran, or even looking at it, then come back and tell us about intolerance.
Only Jesus Christ preached tolerance and praying for your enemies. The muslims are taking advantage of these Christian tolerance to wage unholy wars on peaceful people. It is about time, more severe laws are laid down for ignorant and backward people, about how to live in a civilised society.
Well i served in the northern part of Nigeria, Jigawa to be precise, and I know that these people are intolerant, we were denied a place of worship, even when we rented a guest house they gather and promised to burn the building if we still held any fellowship there, of course nobody gave his property to churches for the fear that it may be burnt, we started in a guys house (a corper) and after three weeks his house was razed plus all his documents and u are talking of giving them a chance, I have a personal experience of their intolerance and will never compromise for any islamic demand. They come in as beggars and take over your house (oni bara n ba ole bo),
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mrpataki (m)
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I wish responsible nations will borrow a leaf from Australia and stand upon the belief in which their nation was built upon.
Even here in the Netherlands, the muslims are revolting against the fact they cannot remove their scarfs when looking for employment!
Moreover, they are the least set of people who know how to integrate into a multicultural society.
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I-man (m)
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John Howard has been soundly defeated in elections. . . . . even the Aussies don't want him anymore.
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Bankole01 (m)
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How many "Islamic countries" have you visited, to pass a judgement like that! Your info is got from often tainted perspective of the American media, who are more afraid of their shadows more than anything Please try to explore the world and you will be surprised at what you discover
Northern Nigeria for starters, even here where they are dumber and less educated than other muslim nations in Asia or Middle East, the muslims are worse. most times, they will riot for no apparent reason. They are very intollerant of others, when they practise homosexuality and pedophilia. Not too long ago, youth in high school killed a teacher because she would not allow them to cheat at exams. In Afganistan, they routinely rape women and them kill them, accusing them of immorality! Pakistan is no better. The theocratic war and killings in Iraq, makes no sense anyway you look at it. Saudis also have a great majority who are homosexuals, yet they preach puritanist hogwash. Turkey which used to be the more liberal Islamic nation is now moving more and more towrds restrictive blind theocracy. There you go again, sounding like an american lapdog,, sounding more american than america! Do not judge others by your standards or your beliefs And who says your standards are the best?
I have lived more of my life in America than anywhere else in the world, I grew up here. Therefore, I am not ashamed to sound civilised (American if you like) The fact is America like most Western civilised nations have welcomed everyone, irrespective of color, creed or tongues. Inspite of this liberalism, then you get some coming over and demanding special treatment and always up in arms ready to kill and cause mayhem for the slightest provacation (real or imagined) My standards, are the standards everywhere in the civilised world, where people are tolerant of their neighbors, live and allow others to live without fear of religeous fanatics and madmen ranting and raving!
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oldie (m)
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Northern Nigeria for starters, even here where they are dumber and less educated than other muslim nations in Asia or Middle East, the muslims are worse. most times, they will riot for no apparent reason. They are very intollerant of others, when they practise homosexuality and pedophilia. Not too long ago, youth in high school killed a teacher because she would not allow them to cheat at exams.
In Afganistan, they routinely rape women and them kill them, accusing them of immorality! Pakistan is no better. The theocratic war and killings in Iraq, makes no sense anyway you look at it. Saudis also have a great majority who are homosexuals, yet they preach puritanist hogwash. Turkey which used to be the more liberal Islamic nation is now moving more and more towrds restrictive blind theocracy.
Hmm Just shows how "knowledgeable" you are about what you claim to know Your over-generalisation is beyond me.  I have lived more of my life in America than anywhere else in the world, I grew up here. Therefore, I am not ashamed to sound civilised (American if you like) The fact is America like most Western civilised nations have welcomed everyone, irrespective of color, creed or tongues. Inspite of this liberalism, then you get some coming over and demanding special treatment and always up in arms ready to kill and cause mayhem for the slightest provacation (real or imagined) My standards, are the standards everywhere in the civilised world, where people are tolerant of their neighbors, live and allow others to live without fear of religeous fanatics and madmen ranting and raving!
You don't sound civilised to me. You sound ignorant, arrogant and very submissive You sound as if staying in America is a priviledge you don't deserve and you can do whatever to show your american-want to-be behaviour I do not want to start any slagging match with you No more reply to your little-mindedness
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stillwater (f)
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The funny thing about all this is that muslims can come come out of their hell holes (Afghanistan for example) to Europe and scream, make demands backing it up with freedom of speech, whereas in their own countries there is nothing as freeedom of speech.
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tlops (m)
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oh oh, I wonder,
but i think very few people visit the culture segment of this forum, (I think)
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