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babs787 (m)
Re: Muhammad, Plagiarism And Other Stories.
« #160 on: January 07, 2008, 01:14 PM »

@Sysuser


Honestly, you post without looking or having a proper understanding of the verses you are using here but I will still go on to explain what you don't know with regards to those verses. What amuse me more is the fact that when any of you post any biblical verse giving it your own meaning, rather than any of you to tell him/her the truth, you keep praising the person for interpreting verses wrongly Shocked



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Okay here I go, as a comparison Jesus Christ HAS PROMISED, GIVEN AND MADE READY FOR YOU, WAY TO HEAVEN, A PLACE IN HEAVEN .


Okay, let us read on

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Joh 14:1  Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
Joh 14:2  In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
Joh 14:3  And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
Joh 14:4  And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.




Before giving you verses from your bible, are you aware that Jesus cannot do anything on his own without seeking assistance from God and that he couldnt guarantee paradise to a woman's son that came to him on same issue?


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yet neither "allah" nor "mohammed/mohammad" has promised you anything other than "Wine, Women and Sex"   


This is where ignorance sets in Cool



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So ask youselfWould you rather believe someone (mohammed or mohammad) WHO CANNOT AND WHO DID NOT GIVE YOU A CERTAINTY OF THE TRUE HEAVEN AND HOW TO GET THERE



Do you need verses on salvation from the Quran?


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Please Note:That one was born into a form of belief is not an excuse to continue in it, because the father would be judged separately  from the child , you (muslims and others) have the opportunity of not continuing in the path of unbelieve in Christ.



Do you know Babs' story. His reversion from christianity to Islam and I do have stories from people on same. Was Jesus a christian?


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Eze 18:4  Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
Eze 18:19  Yet say ye, Why? doth not the son bear the iniquity of the father? When the son hath done that which is lawful and right, and hath kept all my statutes, and hath done them, he shall surely live.
Eze 18:20  The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
Eze 18:21  But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
Eze 18:22  All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live.



Why not apply that to the issue of Jesus, a son dying for the sin committed thousand of years by his great grand father which he had no knowledge of? The verse is telling you that Jesus didnt die for the sain of anybody. Thanks for bringing up that verses


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That one is an adult does not mean one is wise,

It is WISE for one to ask questions about what he was told to believe and also ask question about what he actually believes, lack of wisdom to do the right thing is not an excuse!


Have you been doing that. You have been served the truth about christianity but it is now left for you to accept or deny that fact. Why not do away with pride and arrogance and accept the truth?




Jas 1:5  If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

Pro 13:20  He that walketh with wise men shall be wise: but a companion of fools shall be destroyed.


Hope you know that the verses go to you? What have you done to the contradictions I gave to you after posting your lengthy rejoinder. You pretended as if you didnt see that oly to come here and repeat same thing again.




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Also, that a lot of people believe or do the same thing does not mean what they believe or do is true, please note that a lot of people where doing what they were doing yet only Noah and his family and the selected animals were saved. So that a lot of people are doing the same thing or that powerful people and important people are doing the same thing does not mean you should not ask yourself the question of why you yourself are doing it and whether or not you should continue to do it.


Have you for one day asked yourself that.Was Jesus a christian and did early christians use cross and when you are through with that, I will lewt you know that it was brought by pagans


SysUser (m)
Re: Muhammad, Plagiarism And Other Stories.
« #161 on: January 07, 2008, 02:29 PM »

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Do you need verses on salvation from the Quran?

First of all, there is no salvation of man in islam, it is all rituals and activities for which the muslims now has to wait until judgemet day by allah before he/she knows whether or not he/she will saved. (Sounds stupid) becuase it simply means that despite all that muslims are doing (in the hope of a positive judgment from allah). They are simply not sure of where they are going to,  Grin.

The type of things promised in your allah's heaven ( virgins ) makes it obvious that it is not heaven
Hmm, I just had this thought maybe the terrorist don't want to Maybe those

Just like I don't want to know the salvation offered by the Eckankar, Mormons, Guru Maharaji, Buddist, Hindus, islamic salvation is not ,Well the truth is that I don't need verses from the Quran, for me to know about what the quran or allah calls salvation and paradise in al'jana. Your tree is now by its fruit and testimonies. Don't forget even though I am not a muslim, I have muslims relatives and (Praise the Lord) a mother who was once born into a muslims family. ,  sorry to disappoint she is A CHRISTIAN by intent now.




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Why not apply that to the issue of Jesus, a son dying for the sin committed thousand of years by his great grand father which he had no knowledge of? The verse is telling you that Jesus didnt die for the sain of anybody. Thanks for bringing up that verses


Once again , unfortunately for you , you just showed a lack of understanding of what you are talking about:

First of all, Jesus does not have a great grand father. WHY you may ask. Simply because He was conceived (without the involvement of a man) (Go and read the bible again)

Secondly, Adam was the first man (by whom came Sin and death)

Jesus is the second Adam (by whom came Salvation of Souls,  ;DYES many thousand of years after Adam Cheesy)


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Why not apply that to the issue of Jesus, a son dying for the sin committed thousand of years by his great grand father which he had no knowledge of? The verse is telling you that Jesus didnt die for the sain of anybody. Thanks for bringing up that verses

You are obviously probably very good at twisting everything so long as it is for your own benefit or the benefit of allah.

Nonetheless , if you Study and Meditate on the Verses again, In plain english, it simply means everybody (father, daugther, son) is responsible and answerable for what happens to him after he dies, meaning Whether or not the person would go to Heaven or not does  not depend on whether the person's father, daughter, wife or son was a prophet, pastor, bishop etc or not.
It simply means each and every person is answerable to God.

Secondly, although the verse does not mention anything about Jesus , but yet you are trying to mix Jesus in into the verse in other to serve your own purpose. let me now make you understand, where it is said that the ", the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him,, ".

In plain english, it simply means that "even though you might have a father who is a Chronic Idol worshipper (islamist, allahist etc)", nonetheless it does not determine whether or not the son would also be considered a Chronic Sinner, rather it means that "If the son is righteous, his righteousness will be accounted to him but if, the son/child is a petty thief and liar then only his petty thieviness and liarness would be accounted unto, his father's Chronic Idol Worshipping would not be accounted to the son/child, "  Grin Cheesy Wink

Also please note "righteousness" is not the same thing as morality , please don't confuse the two.

Righteousness means , Right Standing with God,  (In plain english, it means the God considers you to be right in your ways)

Morality, simply means you are sure you have right standing in the eyes of men, but you are not sure whether or not you have right standing with God. (As far as God is concerned you can be a moral person and yet still be an unrighteous person.)

Morality is a form of Works of Righteousness, unfortunately our works of righteousness are filthy rags before God!


In other to quarantee "True Righteousness" i.e. it does not depend
 
Thirdly, Jesus also comes into the equation in this case because , without the shedding of blood, there is no remission of sin, (e.g. Isrealites sacrifising rams cleanse them from sin) ( Grin wonder where allah and mohammed copied the issue killing of ram and shedding or blood of ram from Cheesy).
Unfortunately the blood of animals cannot provide, salvation hence another "Man" i.e. Second Adam who does not have the stain of sin (who has not commited sin, has to pay the price for the problem that the First Adam brought into the world).

(Notice that the first Man was came into existence without sex) (likewise the Second Adam came into existence in form of flesh, also without sex)
Remember God did not say a man and woman would conceive , "God only said a virgin would conceive, "



So have I answered your own ,  questions or not
ismailys20
Re: Muhammad, Plagiarism And Other Stories.
« #162 on: January 07, 2008, 05:11 PM »

Did the christians plagiarise the Torah too.

i like u to read this chapter of the quran and compared with the one (bible) it was plagiarise from
please do here it is

                                  SURAT WAQA’AH
When the Event inevitable cometh to pass. (1) Then will no (soul) entertain falsehood concerning its coming. (2) (Many) will it bring low, (many) will it exalt; (3) When the earth shall be shaken to its depths, (4) And the mountains shall be crumbled to atoms, (5) Becoming dust scattered abroad, (6) And ye shall be sorted out into three classes. (7) Then (there will be) the Companions of the Right Hand― what will be the Companions of the Right Hand? (Cool And the Companions of the Left hand― what will be the Companions of the Left Hand? (9) And those Foremost (in Faith) will be Foremost (in the Hereafter). (10) These will be those Nearest to Allah: (11) In Gardens of Bliss: (12) A number of people from those of old (13) And a few from those of later times. (14) (They will be) on Thrones encrusted (with gold and precious stones). (15) Reclining on them facing each other. (16) Round about them will (serve) youths of perpetual (freshness). (17) With goblets, (shining) beakers, and cups (filled) out of clear-flowing fountains: (18) No after-ache will they receive therefrom, nor will they suffer intoxication: (19) And with fruits, any that they may select; (20) And the flesh of fowls, any that they may desire. (21) And (there will be) Companions with beautiful, big, and lustrous eyes-- (22) Like unto Pearls well-guarded. (23) A Reward for the Deeds of their past (Life). (24) No frivolity will they hear therein, nor any taint of ill― (25) Only the saying "Peace! Peace." (26) The Companions of the Right Hand, what will be the Companions of the Right Hand? (27) (They will be) among lote trees without thorns, (28) Among Talh trees with flowers (or fruits) piled one above another― (29) In shade long-extended, (30) By water flowing constantly (31) And fruit in abundance (32) Whose season is not limited, nor (supply) forbidden, (33) And on Thrones (of Dignity) raised high. (34) We have created (their Companions) of special creation. (35) And made them virgin-pure (and undefiled)― (36) Beloved (by nature), equal in age― (37) For the companions of the Right Hand. (38) A (goodly) number from those of old― (39) And a (goodly) number from those of later times. (40) The Companions of the Left Hand-what will be the Companions of the Left Hand? (41) (They will be) in the midst of a fierce Blast of Fire and in Boiling Water (42) And in the shades of Black Smoke: (43) Nothing (will there be) to refresh, nor to please: (44) For that they were wont to be indulged, before that, in wealth (and luxury). (45) And persisted obstinately in wickedness supreme! (46) And they used to say "what! when we die and become dust and bones, shall we then indeed be raised up again?― (47) "(We) and our fathers of old?" (48) Say: "Yea, those of old and those of later times, (49) "All will certainly be gathered together for the meeting appointed for a Day Well-known. (50) "Then will ye truly, O ye that go wrong and treat (Truth) as Falsehood!― (51) "Ye will surely taste of the Tree of Zaqqum. (52) "Then will ye fill your insides therewith, (53) "And drink Boiling Water on top of it: (54) "Indeed ye shall drink like diseased camels raging with thirst! (55) Such will be their entertainment on the Day of Requital! (56) It is We Who have created you: why will ye not witness the Truth? (57) Do ye then see?― The (human seed) that ye throw out,― (58) Is it ye who create it, or are We the Creator? (59) We have decreed Death to be your common lot, and We are not to be frustrated (60) From changing your Forms and creating you (again) in (Forms) that ye know not. (61) And ye certainly know already the first form of creation: why then do ye not celebrate His praises? (62) See ye the seed that ye sow in the ground? (63) Is it ye that cause it to grow or are We the Cause? (64) Were it Our Will, We could crumble it to dry powder, and ye would be left in wonderment (65) (Saying) "We are indeed left with debts (for nothing): (66) "Indeed are we shut out (of the fruits of our labour)." (67) See ye the water which ye drink? (68) Do ye bring it Down (in rain) from the Cloud or do We? (69) Were it Our Will, We could make it salt (and unpalatable): then why do ye not give thanks? (70) See ye the Fire which ye kindle? (71) Is it ye who grow the tree which feeds the fire, or do We grow it? (72) We have made it a reminder (of our handiwork), and an article of comfort and convenience for the denizens of deserts. (73) Then celebrate with praises the name of the Lord, the Supreme: (74) Furthermore I call to witness the setting of the Stars― (75) And that is indeed a mighty adjuration if ye but knew― (76) That this is indeed a Qur'an most honourable, (77) In a Book well-guarded, (78) Which none shall touch but those who are clean: (79) A Revelation from the Lord of the Worlds. (80) Is it such a Message that ye would hold in light esteem? (81) And have ye made it your livelihood that ye should declare it false? (82) Then why do ye not (intervene) when (the soul of the dying man) reaches the throat (83) And ye the while (sit) looking on― (84) But We are nearer to him than ye, and yet see not (85) Then why do you not if you are exempt from (future) account― (86) Call back the soul, if ye are true (in your claim of Independence)? (87) Thus then, if he be of those Nearest to Allah, (88) (There is for him) Rest and Satisfaction, and a Garden of Delights. (89) And if he be of the Companions of the Right Hand (90) (For him is the salutation) "Peace be unto thee", from the Companions of the Right Hand. (91) And if he be of those who treat (truth) as Falsehood, who go wrong (92) For him is Entertainment with Boiling Water, (93) And burning in Hell-Fire. (94) Verily, this is the Very Truth and Certainty. (95) So celebrate with praises the name of thy Lord, the Supreme. (96)
davidylan (m)
Re: Muhammad, Plagiarism And Other Stories.
« #163 on: January 07, 2008, 05:14 PM »

Quote from: ismailys20 on January 07, 2008, 05:11 PM
Did the christians plagiarise the Torah too.

When muslims cannot defend the allegation of falsehood and plagiarism leveled against the quran they start another hypocritical round of "curious 2kno" if the christians plagiarised the torah.

The torah as a book is simply the 5 books of Moses . . . they are all bonafide parts of the bible. No one needed to plagiarise them. Come back when u have something more honest to say.
babs787 (m)
Re: Muhammad, Plagiarism And Other Stories.
« #164 on: January 08, 2008, 04:40 PM »

@Davidylan


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The torah as a book is simply the 5 books of Moses . . . they are all bonafide parts of the bible. No one needed to plagiarise them. Come back when u have something more honest to say.



I thought you claimed that somebody completed the last verses of the book of Deuteronomy for Moses when I hit you and Shahan real hard and you contradicted each other!!!

 Cool
SysUser (m)
Re: Muhammad, Plagiarism And Other Stories.
« #165 on: January 08, 2008, 07:55 PM »

 Shocked Huh

@babs787 stop trying to revel in a superficial and self praising sense of "non-existent" victory
nwando
Re: Muhammad, Plagiarism And Other Stories.
« #166 on: January 09, 2008, 09:36 PM »

Quote from: SysUser on January 08, 2008, 07:55 PM
Shocked Huh

@babs787 stop trying to revel in a superficial and self praising sense of "non-existent" victory


Isn't that the typical Mohameddan way
dancing kokoma and owigiri when no one is drumming?
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