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Revive (f)
Re: NUC: Lecturers Must Obtain Doctorate Degree By 2009
« #64 on: December 13, 2007, 04:03 PM »

Are we talking about PhD (Ph.D) or PHD?

Bla bla bla bla, bla  yet some can not even write PhD correctly.
cybersleek (m)
Re: NUC: Lecturers Must Obtain Doctorate Degree By 2009
« #65 on: December 13, 2007, 04:06 PM »

 Hi folks, nice to see us brainstorming over this issue. Personally, i think in other for anybody to be a full lecturer in a Nigerian uni, you must have a doctorate degree, but what i disagree with is the mode the NUC is adopting to push this through. Another thing, most people who know the history of higher education in Nigeria will readily tell you that many of the retired Professors in the first generation universities became professors without a doctorate. So its really not an issue of a Phd but that of a lack of standards in every facet of life in Nigeria. Then someone mentioned something about Nigerian academics not being as good as their counterparts overseas, and i beg to differ, most Nigerian academics suffer from a lack of exposure which their foreign counterpart enjoy as a matter of routine, there are better facilities, avenue for research, grants and so many opportunities you can only dream of in Nigeria. Universities in the UK and elsewhere do all within their powers to attract the best academic minds in the world, because they know that the better the ranking they get, the more students they attract from all over the world and hence, the more money available to them. If you will agree with me, over the past few years, it has become very fashionable for Nigerian students to study overseas at a premium, why? because the quality of academic experience you will get is such that you can never hope to get in Nigeria. Go to all the Nigerian Universities put together and count the number of lecturers they have from outside Africa, and you will be shocked to learn that the might not be up to 150 in number. Therefore, the vibrancy of research, and transfer of knowledge is totally absent.

Finally, i do not believe that the quality of students from Nigeria are any worse that those in the UK or elsewhere, its just a matter of standards and the fact that university education is not an all comers affair, if we are to be honest with ourselves, there are many undergraduates in Nigeria who would have been more contented and even fare better selling spare parts at aspamda or even lace in balogun market than getting a degree that is not worth more than the paper it is written on, but this only goes to show you that Nigerians would rather take things on the surface value than the substance. As the saying goes" you get what you deserve", the way forward is for us to restructure our system in such a way that whether you have a degree or not, you will be able to have a quality of life which is decent enough without necessarily needing to do what you are not cut out to do.

Lastly, black cab drivers in the UK do earn about 60 to 80 grand a per annum, but they do have to go througha rigorous 4 yr apprenticeship which is akin to going to university for cabbies!
Kobojunkie
Re: NUC: Lecturers Must Obtain Doctorate Degree By 2009
« #66 on: December 13, 2007, 04:13 PM »

Quote from: cybersleek on December 13, 2007, 04:06 PM
Hi folks, nice to see us brainstorming over this issue. Personally, i think in other for anybody to be a full lecturer in a Nigerian uni, you must have a doctorate degree, but what i disagree with is the mode the NUC is adopting to push this through. Another thing, most people who know the history of higher education in Nigeria will readily tell you that many of the retired Professors in the first generation universities became professors without a doctorate. So its really not an issue of a Phd but that of a lack of standards in every facet of life in Nigeria. Then someone mentioned something about Nigerian academics not being as good as their counterparts overseas, and i beg to differ, most Nigerian academics suffer from a lack of exposure which their foreign counterpart enjoy as a matter of routine, there are better facilities, avenue for research, grants and so many opportunities you can only dream of in Nigeria. Universities in the UK and elsewhere do all within their powers to attract the best academic minds in the world, because they know that the better the ranking they get, the more students they attract from all over the world and hence, the more money available to them. If you will agree with me, over the past few years, it has become very fashionable for Nigerian students to study overseas at a premium, why? because the quality of academic experience you will get is such that you can never hope to get in Nigeria. Go to all the Nigerian Universities put together and count the number of lecturers they have from outside Africa, and you will be shocked to learn that the might not be up to 150 in number. Therefore, the vibrancy of research, and transfer of knowledge is totally absent.

Finally, i do not believe that the quality of students from Nigeria are any worse that those in the UK or elsewhere, its just a matter of standards and the fact that university education is not an all comers affair, if we are to be honest with ourselves, there are many undergraduates in Nigeria who would have been more contented and even fare better selling spare parts at aspamda or even lace in balogun market than getting a degree that is not worth more than the paper it is written on, but this only goes to show you that Nigerians would rather take things on the surface value than the substance. As the saying goes" you get what you deserve", the way forward is for us to restructure our system in such a way that whether you have a degree or not, you will be able to have a quality of life which is decent enough without necessarily needing to do what you are not cut out to do.

Lastly, black cab drivers in the UK do earn about 60 to 80 grand a per annum, but they do have to go througha rigorous 4 yr apprenticeship which is akin to going to university for cabbies!
blueband (m)
Re: NUC: Lecturers Must Obtain Doctorate Degree By 2009
« #67 on: December 13, 2007, 04:56 PM »

Quote from: Akolawole on December 13, 2007, 03:25 PM

1) PHD holders cabbing in UK! Cab Drivers earning more than Medical doctors? Cry I disagree with you completely. Do You know how much Cab Driver pay weekly to their controller in the office? Huh

I knew about Cab business in UK, its not like that at all.

Most of them make additional money by claiming Job seekers allowance while doing cabbing.

2) I am speechless in this o. An average 4 bed house in Bromley is £300k. Na wa o.

There is a difference between mini cab drivers and black cab drivers.Mini cab drivers don't make money as they have to pay all sorts and a lot are usually illegal anyway.But black cab drivers who actually own the cabs earn more than the average medical doctor in the UK.The doctors who earn in excess of £100k/PA are General practitioners.As for Consultants the pay is between £72k-161K/Per Annumn.Registrars earn between £40k-72K/Per Annumn and House Officers can earn as little as £25k/Per annumn depending on the hospital.These are rough estimates.See link below

http://www.nhscareers.nhs.uk/details/Default.aspx?Id=553

But the consultants/GPs make up less than 25% of the total doctor population in the UK.The rest are Registrars and Staff Grades who earn around £40-55K/Per Annumn.Mind you it takes 6 years to become a doctor and another 6-10 years to become a Consultant depending on your area of specialisation.

Now come to the black cabs.The rate now is £3.00 for the first mile and subsequent miles are charged at £1.30.That is if you are moving freely.So a distance from Ojuelegba to LUTh which is about 2 miles will cost you about £4.30 if there is no go slow.And it is less than 5 minutes.And these drivers are classified as self employed,meaning it is what they declare that they are taxed on.So if you earn £300/day and you say you made only £70 in that day you will be taxed at the lower rate between 10%-22%.Now a doctor earning £55,000/Annumn gets taxed 40%.So tell me who earns more?

Quote from: deor03 on December 13, 2007, 02:34 PM
@mr blueband

do you know also that "escorts" or better still "ashawo " earn about £200/hour in the UK. You can consider your girlfriend trying it.
Rubbish , so because of money you want to drop your degree and become a taxi driver

We are too pre-occupied with titles(my son is a doctor,I am an Engineer,I am an Accountant) in Nigeria.In the west,no one cares what you do for a living,as long as it is legal.With the dearth of plumbers,many city workers are retraining and becoming plumbers to make a killing.Call a plumber at night and you will understand why professionals in the UK are retraining to become a plumber.Escorts(Ashewos) -that is a moral issue.I can't do that.And it is totally different from cabbing my friend.Until we drop the mentality of paper qualification over technical know how we will never move forward as nation.I heard on this forum that tony elumelu made a third class.Yet he runs one of Nigeria's biggest banks.In the Western world,Universities will be jumping over themselves to get him to lecture their MBA students.And ofcourse he will be paid handsomely,third class or no third class.

Don't get me wrong,I enjoy being a doctor,but if you are looking for the money then believe me jobs like cabbing and plumbing will give you more money when you figure in the time and hard work it takes to become a Consultant in Medicine.
deor03 (m)
Re: NUC: Lecturers Must Obtain Doctorate Degree By 2009
« #68 on: December 13, 2007, 05:09 PM »

@blue band
Quote
We are too pre-occupied with titles(my son is a doctor,I am an Engineer,I am an Accountant) in Nigeria.In the west,no one cares what you do for a living,as long as it is legal.With the dearth of plumbers,many city workers are retraining and becoming plumbers to make a killing.Call a plumber at night and you will understand why professionals in the UK are retraining to become a plumber.Escorts(Ashewos) -that is a moral issue.I can't do that.And it is totally different from cabbing my friend.Until we drop the mentality of paper qualification over technical know how we will never move forward as nation.I heard on this forum that tony elumelu made a third class.Yet he runs one of Nigeria's biggest banks.In the Western world,Universities will be jumping over themselves to get him to lecture their MBA students.And ofcourse he will be paid handsomely,third class or no third class.

Don't get me wrong,I enjoy being a doctor,but if you are looking for the money then believe me jobs like cabbing and plumbing will give you more money when you figure in the time and hard work it takes to become a Consultant in Medicine.

The real problem is most nigerian are pre-occupied with the MONEY issue. I am an engineer and it is a profession i have always dreamt of. I am not one of the best paid engineers , but i love what i do. I can only hope earn more but my first love is what i do. Don't forget that a taxi cab driver will always be a taxi cab driver. As a professional you climb up the ladder in life
debosky (m)
Re: NUC: Lecturers Must Obtain Doctorate Degree By 2009
« #69 on: December 13, 2007, 05:18 PM »

I agree with the policy whole heartedly, you need to complete your PhD before getting a full lecturer position.

I-man's assertion on business/commercial courses is not in question, people with acumen and real-world experience can be utilised as knowledge pools to boost what is available in houseBut they can only offer what they have experienced personally, there is a whole other world of opinion and experience out there that can only be tapped through detailed and focused study/research. Adjunct faculty positions can be created to cater for this niche.

A given number of years (above 10 preferably) experience in the field achieving extraordinary results may be useful as a measure acceptable in lieu of a PhD

In terms of the wider university faculty, the PhD requirement should be upheld, the rules having been on the books for 20 years should have given anyone serious enough about teaching and research to pursue his PhD and complete it.

If you see teaching merely as a pay ticket, then you are definitely in the wrong profession, in addition we need Research people! Even if it isn't 'high quality' at the onset, things will improve and get better over time. If you still pamper Bachelors or Masters degree holders by allowing them to hold lectureship positions because of 'not losing 70% of teaching staff' then I believe the staff should be lost so we know where we truly are - if 70% of staff do not have PhD's then you might as well call it a secondary school or A'level college and not a university.

Apart from some mushroom universities and some others in the North (who are producing half baked grads anyways) I'm sure most of the Federal Uni's have a good quantum of PhD's and a large group pursuing theirs as wellthis deadline will serve as a push to complete those degrees and get some research published. You'll in all likelihoodnot  spend 6/7 years on detailed study of a subject without developing expertise and transferable knowledge.

There are wider problems with the Nigerian educational system no doubt, but this particular policy is well in line with the plans to re-establish basic standards for holding educational/mentorship positions in Nigerian universities which will improve the quality of products down the line.
blueband (m)
Re: NUC: Lecturers Must Obtain Doctorate Degree By 2009
« #70 on: December 13, 2007, 05:27 PM »

Quote from: deor03 on December 13, 2007, 05:09 PM
@blue band
The real problem is most nigerian are pre-occupied with the MONEY issue. I am an engineer and it is a profession i have always dreamt of. I am not one of the best paid engineers , but i love what i do. I can only hope earn more but my first love is what i do. Don't forget that a taxi cab driver will always be a taxi cab driver. As a professional you climb up the ladder in life

Here no one looks at the fact that you are a taxi driver or a plumber.Seriously no one cares.There are families that for generations have worked in pubs and they can tell you everything about beer.

When I first moved to the UK,I looked at people based on the jobs they did.It took me a while to realise that,that does not matter at all.They have closed the rich/poor gap that it does not really matter what you do.Every job has prospects and you can climb up the ladder too,even as a black cab driver.Most start as apprentices and move up to become Black Cab controllers who earn loads of money.And of course,the enjoy their jobs.

And by the way,what do you think we came to do in England?Enjoy our jobs?Hell NO!Na money me I find come. Cool And if we had the same opportunities in Nigeria or even half,I would have stayed back.Very few African immigrants emigrate for altruistic reasons.

Quote from: debosky on December 13, 2007, 05:18 PM
I agree with the policy whole heartedly, you need to complete your PhD before getting a full lecturer position.

I-man's assertion on business/commercial courses is not in question, people with acumen and real-world experience can be utilised as knowledge pools to boost what is available in houseBut they can only offer what they have experienced personally, there is a whole other world of opinion and experience out there that can only be tapped through detailed and focused study/research. Adjunct faculty positions can be created to cater for this niche.

A given number of years (above 10 preferably) experience in the field achieving extraordinary results may be useful as a measure acceptable in lieu of a PhD

In terms of the wider university faculty, the PhD requirement should be upheld, the rules having been on the books for 20 years should have given anyone serious enough about teaching and research to pursue his PhD and complete it.

If you see teaching merely as a pay ticket, then you are definitely in the wrong profession, in addition we need Research people! Even if it isn't 'high quality' at the onset, things will improve and get better over time. If you still pamper Bachelors or Masters degree holders by allowing them to hold lectureship positions because of 'not losing 70% of teaching staff' then I believe the staff should be lost so we know where we truly are - if 70% of staff do not have PhD's then you might as well call it a secondary school or A'level college and not a university.

[b][b]Apart from some mushroom universities and some others in the North (who are producing half baked grads anyways) [/b][/b] I'm sure most of the Federal Uni's have a good quantum of PhD's and a large group pursuing theirs as wellthis deadline will serve as a push to complete those degrees and get some research published. You'll in all likelihoodnot spend 6/7 years on detailed study of a subject without developing expertise and transferable knowledge.

There are wider problems with the Nigerian educational system no doubt, but this particular policy is well in line with the plans to re-establish basic standards for holding educational/mentorship positions in Nigerian universities which will improve the quality of products down the line.

ABU,UNIJOS,BAYERO UNI,UTHMAN DAN FODIO UNI,UAM MAKURDI,UNI-ILORIN,FUT YOLA,FUT MINNA,BSU MAKURDI,UNIMAID-Tell me which of these northern universities produce half baked graduates.I graduated from a southern university and I compare favourably well to my colleagues who graduated from northern university.
Kobojunkie
Re: NUC: Lecturers Must Obtain Doctorate Degree By 2009
« #71 on: December 13, 2007, 05:28 PM »

Quote from: blueband on December 13, 2007, 04:56 PM
There is a difference between mini cab drivers and black cab drivers.Mini cab drivers don't make money as they have to pay all sorts and a lot are usually illegal anyway.But black cab drivers who actually own the cabs earn more than the average medical doctor in the UK.The doctors who earn in excess of £100k/PA are General practitioners.As for Consultants the pay is between £72k-161K/Per Annumn.Registrars earn between £40k-72K/Per Annumn and House Officers can earn as little as £25k/Per annumn depending on the hospital.These are rough estimates.See link below

http://www.nhscareers.nhs.uk/details/Default.aspx?Id=553

But the consultants/GPs make up less than 25% of the total doctor population in the UK.The rest are Registrars and Staff Grades who earn around £40-55K/Per Annumn.Mind you it takes 6 years to become a doctor and another 6-10 years to become a Consultant depending on your area of specialisation.

Now come to the black cabs.The rate now is £3.00 for the first mile and subsequent miles are charged at £1.30.That is if you are moving freely.So a distance from Ojuelegba to LUTh which is about 2 miles will cost you about £4.30 if there is no go slow.And it is less than 5 minutes.And these drivers are classified as self employed,meaning it is what they declare that they are taxed on.So if you earn £300/day and you say you made only £70 in that day you will be taxed at the lower rate between 10%-22%.Now a doctor earning £55,000/Annumn gets taxed 40%.So tell me who earns more?
We are too pre-occupied with titles(my son is a doctor,I am an Engineer,I am an Accountant) in Nigeria.In the west,no one cares what you do for a living,as long as it is legal.With the dearth of plumbers,many city workers are retraining and becoming plumbers to make a killing.Call a plumber at night and you will understand why professionals in the UK are retraining to become a plumber.Escorts(Ashewos) -that is a moral issue.I can't do that.And it is totally different from cabbing my friend.Until we drop the mentality of paper qualification over technical know how we will never move forward as nation.I heard on this forum that tony elumelu made a third class.Yet he runs one of Nigeria's biggest banks.In the Western world,Universities will be jumping over themselves to get him to lecture their MBA students.And ofcourse he will be paid handsomely,third class or no third class.

Don't get me wrong,I enjoy being a doctor,but if you are looking for the money then believe me jobs like cabbing and plumbing will give you more money when you figure in the time and hard work it takes to become a Consultant in Medicine.


Have you considered moving to a new country?? Or better still Nigeria?? By the way, How much do Nigerian doctors make??? I doubt PhDs are in the high earning brackets in any country. At least not here. I remember I opted for a masters rather than a PhD cause of the pay. But maybe all you need to do is look around. Over here, doctors make over 300k a year and this is just for starting doctors in some fields.
blueband (m)
Re: NUC: Lecturers Must Obtain Doctorate Degree By 2009
« #72 on: December 13, 2007, 05:40 PM »

Maybe I am not an average UK doctor Grin.
I worked in Nigeria before moving over.300k a month?I left friends in nigeria who are consultants now and they are not earning 300k a month in nigeria.Infact one of them moved over to England 2 months ago to work as a Locum SHO.

My brother,money no dey medicine for nigeria.If you are toasting a babe in nigeria and you tell her you are a doctor na "eya" she go tell you.

I have no plans fo moving to another country.From here I am coming back home to invest all my savings and also take advantage of the credit facilities here.

I don tire to dey read book.Have been reading since I was 16 when I first got into medical school.If you see me now you will think I am 70 years.Bald and wrinkled fore head.Book don tire me! Grin
blueband (m)
Re: NUC: Lecturers Must Obtain Doctorate Degree By 2009
« #73 on: December 13, 2007, 05:43 PM »

Quote from: Kobojunkie on December 13, 2007, 05:28 PM
Have you considered moving to a new country?? Or better still Nigeria?? By the way, How much do Nigerian doctors make??? I doubt PhDs are in the high earning brackets in any country. At least not here. I remember I opted for a masters rather than a PhD cause of the pay. But maybe all you need to do is look around. Over here, doctors make over 300k a year and this is just for starting doctors in some fields.

Sorry,thought you were talking of Nigeria.Yes my friends who went to America are killing it.You are right.in America doctors earn more.But not the 300k you are talking for starters.After residency they get like 150k/PA.Which is what you can get here in the UK.But they have more purchasing power than we do.
debosky (m)
Re: NUC: Lecturers Must Obtain Doctorate Degree By 2009
« #74 on: December 13, 2007, 05:50 PM »

Quote from: blueband on December 13, 2007, 05:27 PM
ABU,UNIJOS,BAYERO UNI,UTHMAN DAN FODIO UNI,UAM MAKURDI,UNI-ILORIN,FUT YOLA,FUT MINNA,BSU MAKURDI,UNIMAID-Tell me which of these northern universities produce half baked graduates.I graduated from a southern university and I compare favourably well to my colleagues who graduated from northern university.

Mr blueband  Grin

I was not impugning on the reputation of the illustrious institutions you have spoken so glowingly about. Please note that I used the qualifier 'some' in my assertion, indicating that I was not lumping together the sum total of all northern Universities. There are good ones, as well as some who don't have any business being associated with the word 'university'

the state Universities of Plateau, Kogi and a few others come to mind.
dot2002 (f)
Re: NUC: Lecturers Must Obtain Doctorate Degree By 2009
« #75 on: December 13, 2007, 06:15 PM »

real nonsense
almondjoy (f)
Re: NUC: Lecturers Must Obtain Doctorate Degree By 2009
« #76 on: December 13, 2007, 06:23 PM »

Quote from: blueband on December 13, 2007, 05:40 PM
Maybe I am not an average UK doctor Grin.

I worked in Nigeria before moving over.300k a month?I left friends in nigeria who are consultants now and they are not earning 300k a month in nigeria.Infact one of them moved over to England 2 months ago to work as a Locum SHO.

My brother,money no dey medicine for nigeria.If you are toasting a babe in nigeria and you tell her you are a doctor na "eya" she go tell you.

I have no plans fo moving to another country.From here I am coming back home to invest all my savings and also take advantage of the credit facilities here.

I don tire to dey read book.Have been reading since I was 16 when I first got into medical school.If you see me now you will think I am 70 years.Bald and wrinkled fore head.Book don tire me! Grin

Eyaaaaaaaaa! Cry   Abeg come join me for New York.  I get plenty taxi to lease out till you own your own. Kiss

Your profile says you are 30 years old.  You started medical school at 16? Undecided  Brilliant!

Hmmmmmmmm! Lips sealed
dot2002 (f)
Re: NUC: Lecturers Must Obtain Doctorate Degree By 2009
« #77 on: December 13, 2007, 06:27 PM »

Aw u are so considerate  Wink Wink Wink
deor03 (m)
Re: NUC: Lecturers Must Obtain Doctorate Degree By 2009
« #78 on: December 13, 2007, 06:28 PM »

blueband
Quote
Sorry,thought you were talking of Nigeria.Yes my friends who went to America are killing it.You are right.in America doctors earn more.But not the 300k you are talking for starters.After residency they get like 150k/PA.Which is what you can get here in the UK.But they have more purchasing power than we do.
I work in the UK too and i know that you probably pay 40% of that earnigns as tax, pay about £800-1000/ month on rent, pay sky , pay for phone, pay council tax etc  
or what do you think?
ferdiii (m)
Re: NUC: Lecturers Must Obtain Doctorate Degree By 2009
« #79 on: December 13, 2007, 06:33 PM »

@ somze and Naijaway: when did we start having 's' added to equipment and information to pluralise the words. I know this sms way of posting, is not helping our would-be PhD holders. Abeg oh!

Well, who wants to teach in Nigeria? NUC should better check those teaching today in Nigerian Secondary schools, universities and other tertiary institutions to know if they took their jobs out of passion, choice and profession and not out of frustration. Nonsense system begets nonsensical results/outputs.

When you are better than your Supervisor, how do you get evaluated? You may not remain sound and talents are being silenced and killed here and brain drain helps us in this even.

Nigerians and their Govt. officials are not sincere and don't believe in Nigeria or developing it.

I want to believe Yaradu'a should use his state visit to the US to press on the Congressmen there not to allow more Nigerians to get into their country by any means (Dv Lottery, Immigrant visa,Student Visa and Holiday visa etc) as he has fixed NEPA. Hahahahah!

The same people, the same old crackers! Every year the same thing. Now everything has been shifted to the year 2020. That year will soon come, policy-makers and yayo-yayo Politicians and NGOs' directors.
Revive (f)
Re: NUC: Lecturers Must Obtain Doctorate Degree By 2009
« #80 on: December 13, 2007, 06:39 PM »

Quote from: Kobojunkie on December 13, 2007, 05:28 PM
I remember I opted for a masters rather than a PhD cause of the pay

Could you clarify yourself?

Are you saying that in exactly the same field of study (e.g same scientific  field of study),  a Masters Degree holder gets more pay than a PhD holder? Undecided hmmmmm  Shocked

And are you also  saying that assuming you “opted” for PhD, you could have done PhD without  Masters? Undecided hmmmmm
Kobojunkie
Re: NUC: Lecturers Must Obtain Doctorate Degree By 2009
« #81 on: December 13, 2007, 06:41 PM »

Quote from: debosky on December 13, 2007, 05:18 PM
I agree with the policy whole heartedly, you need to complete your PhD before getting a full lecturer position.

I-man's assertion on business/commercial courses is not in question, people with acumen and real-world experience can be utilised as knowledge pools to boost what is available in houseBut they can only offer what they have experienced personally, there is a whole other world of opinion and experience out there that can only be tapped through detailed and focused study/research. Adjunct faculty positions can be created to cater for this niche.

A given number of years (above 10 preferably) experience in the field achieving extraordinary results may be useful as a measure acceptable in lieu of a PhD

In terms of the wider university faculty, the PhD requirement should be upheld, the rules having been on the books for 20 years should have given anyone serious enough about teaching and research to pursue his PhD and complete it.

If you see teaching merely as a pay ticket, then you are definitely in the wrong profession, in addition we need Research people! Even if it isn't 'high quality' at the onset, things will improve and get better over time. If you still pamper Bachelors or Masters degree holders by allowing them to hold lectureship positions because of 'not losing 70% of teaching staff' then I believe the staff should be lost so we know where we truly are - if 70% of staff do not have PhD's then you might as well call it a secondary school or A'level college and not a university.

Apart from some mushroom universities and some others in the North (who are producing half baked grads anyways) I'm sure most of the Federal Uni's have a good quantum of PhD's and a large group pursuing theirs as wellthis deadline will serve as a push to complete those degrees and get some research published. You'll in all likelihoodnot spend 6/7 years on detailed study of a subject without developing expertise and transferable knowledge.

There are wider problems with the Nigerian educational system no doubt, but this particular policy is well in line with the plans to re-establish basic standards for holding educational/mentorship positions in Nigerian universities which will improve the quality of products down the line.


Agreed that the policy has been in place for 20 years and that it is a good one but there has been no help in that 20 year period to not only encourage and assist lecturers in obtaining the needed degree but also enable them. It's like asking people to climb mountains without providing them the necessary help needed to climb that mountain. Chances are you come back 20 years later, they will still be at the base of the mountain with no clue how you expect them to climb carry out that task.
Kobojunkie
Re: NUC: Lecturers Must Obtain Doctorate Degree By 2009
« #82 on: December 13, 2007, 06:49 PM »

Quote from: Revive on December 13, 2007, 06:39 PM
Could you clarify yourself?

Are you saying that in exactly the same field of study (e.g same scientific  field of study),  a Masters Degree holder gets more pay than a PhD holder? Undecided hmmmmm  Shocked

And are you also  saying that assuming you “opted” for PhD, you could have done PhD without  Masters? Undecided hmmmmm



The pay issue was just one of the main reasons why I opted for a Masters.  PhDs do not necessarily get paid more than Masters degree holders however, they make the bulk of their money from research grants they are able to hussle for. A new PhD holder can get paid 40K a year while a Master's Holder can get about 2 times of that depending on the field of study and what industry. Most Master's Holders tend to work in industries while PhDs have majority of opportunities available to them in the education sector with universities and research institutions.
debosky (m)
Re: NUC: Lecturers Must Obtain Doctorate Degree By 2009
« #83 on: December 13, 2007, 06:56 PM »

What other form of 'enabling' do they want? They are not being told to resign in order to complete the P.hD's, they can do so while retaining employment by going on study leave and other such arrangements. Most p.hD programs in Nigeria have some form of graduate assistant work that the student performs in the department in lieu of tuition fees with a small stipend, I know at least two people who benefited from such an arrangement in my department alone.

I don't see any reason why they should be mollycoddled or begged into getting phD's, if they are serious about being academics, they would either have started on the process long before now or would be contemplating such a move. Lets get real, its no tea party for anyone in Nigeria to start with, so anyone who truly wants to retain his position will have to bite the bullet and get cracking.

The universities and NUC have done a lot to enable - you can retain your job and study, you have a 2 year window which should be sufficient for any reasonable candidate who has started the process at least a year ago, any others who have not can simply hold graduate assistant positions till they complete their qualifications. Its high time we get people who WANT to do these things and put in time - this is not just a job it is a calling. Granted that more can always be done, there is no valid excuse for not meeting up with the requirements of this policy.
aPr
Re: NUC: Lecturers Must Obtain Doctorate Degree By 2009
« #84 on: December 13, 2007, 07:00 PM »

I agree with you that most of our university PHD lecturers don't update themselves, NUC making a Phd a must for teaching will be taking a step in the right direction. You will agree with me that trying to change the whole system will take some time and genuine effort.

The whole thing is now a paddy paddy thing. You see someone who can hardly speak good English and maybe was finding it so difficult to pass as an undergraduate coming to teach  what he dos not know.
blueband (m)
Re: NUC: Lecturers Must Obtain Doctorate Degree By 2009
« #85 on: December 13, 2007, 07:52 PM »

Quote from: almondjoy on December 13, 2007, 06:23 PM
Eyaaaaaaaaa! Cry   Abeg come join me for New York.  I get plenty taxi to lease out till you own your own. Kiss

Your profile says you are 30 years old.  You started medical school at 16? Undecided Brilliant!

Hmmmmmmmm! Lips sealed


Abeg where are you based.Please when can I start with one of your taxis?Yeah started medical school at 16-brilliant?Hell no! Just lucky.After 6 years studying medicine,I started my house job in Nigeria and after 4 months we had still not been paid(40,000 naira/month).We marched to the CMDs office and he told us we should be grateful we even have a place to do housemanship.I left for the UK 3 weeks after.Them no dey tell blind man say rain dey fall.

Quote from: deor03 on December 13, 2007, 06:28 PM
bluebandI work in the UK too and i know that you probably pay 40% of that earnigns as tax, pay about £800-1000/ month on rent, pay sky , pay for phone, pay council tax etc 
or what do you think?

Are you telling me.It is so annoying.You have not added Road tax,National Insurance,Pension contribution bla bla bla.These people are thieves walahi.And to make matters worse when I die,I will still be taxed "inheritance tax" which can be up to 40 percent of what you are leaving behind for your loved ones.That is in my death ooo!

Kobojunkie
Re: NUC: Lecturers Must Obtain Doctorate Degree By 2009
« #86 on: December 13, 2007, 07:56 PM »

Quote from: debosky on December 13, 2007, 06:56 PM
What other form of 'enabling' do they want? They are not being told to resign in order to complete the P.hD's, they can do so while retaining employment by going on study leave and other such arrangements. Most p.hD programs in Nigeria have some form of graduate assistant work that the student performs in the department in lieu of tuition fees with a small stipend, I know at least two people who benefited from such an arrangement in my department alone.

I don't see any reason why they should be mollycoddled or begged into getting phD's, if they are serious about being academics, they would either have started on the process long before now or would be contemplating such a move. Lets get real, its no tea party for anyone in Nigeria to start with, so anyone who truly wants to retain his position will have to bite the bullet and get cracking.

The universities and NUC have done a lot to enable - you can retain your job and study, you have a 2 year window which should be sufficient for any reasonable candidate who has started the process at least a year ago, any others who have not can simply hold graduate assistant positions till they complete their qualifications. Its high time we get people who WANT to do these things and put in time - this is not just a job it is a calling. Granted that more can always be done, there is no valid excuse for not meeting up with the requirements of this policy.


Sure some universities do provide that while others do not. I personally know of one person who could not get such stipend at his school and had to get work outside to fund the program. This to me is where the NUC can come in to make sure that all persons who are interested in pursuing a PhD program get access to funds, regardless of the institution where the study is to be carried out.
Tini (m)
Re: NUC: Lecturers Must Obtain Doctorate Degree By 2009
« #87 on: December 13, 2007, 08:28 PM »

i support that
ocho (f)
Re: NUC: Lecturers Must Obtain Doctorate Degree By 2009
« #88 on: December 13, 2007, 09:54 PM »

As much as the intentions this decree seems good, it is not even feasible to obtain a doctorate degree in one year. There's only two weeks left in the year 2007,how in  the world are lectures expected to obtain a doctorate degree in so short a time?Wouldn't that degree by all means be questionable?I think the set  time line should be reconsiderd.
debosky (m)
Re: NUC: Lecturers Must Obtain Doctorate Degree By 2009
« #89 on: December 13, 2007, 09:57 PM »

If they have not started the process of attaining a phD degree by now, then by all means they should be demoted to graduate assistants pending when they would do so or be thrown out of the system. A stringent deadline is required to show that the NUC is serious.

IF a law has been in existence for 20 years, how many years notice do you still need to give? Even if told to get phD's by 2010 some people will not comply, let the directive stand. Anyone who is not serious should leave the educational sector - it is not the place to 'hang on' till a better offer comes along.
~Lady~ (f)
Re: NUC: Lecturers Must Obtain Doctorate Degree By 2009
« #90 on: December 13, 2007, 11:22 PM »

I read this and I applaud it.
It's about time.

@Kobojunkie

it is mandatory for u to have a Ph.D to be a full lecturer in the US.
That's the problem my school is facing.
In the school of business some of our lecturers don't have their Ph.Ds and because of that they've been let go.
My school is a candidate to be accredited by AACSB (international) and they've already requested that all our professors have their Ph.Ds.
Those who wish to stay are working on their Ph.Ds right now.
If u don't have a Ph.D, u can still lecture but u won't get the same pay and would not be fulltime so u need to have another job elsewhere.

A problem that we've faced in our institutions in Naija is that not many of them are research institutions.
Ofcourse they cannot be research institutions if the professors cannot even formulate a theory.

If we want to compete with the rest of the worls academically and we want to pull bright students from all over the globe and gain recognition then this a step forward.
~Lady~ (f)
Re: NUC: Lecturers Must Obtain Doctorate Degree By 2009
« #91 on: December 13, 2007, 11:26 PM »

@ Kobojunkie
"The average college graduate in Nigeria can not even sit on the same level with high school graduates in other parts of the world"

Please tell me this is a joke.

Did u ever school in Naija?
If u did, u'll know that what is beinf taught in the University in Yankee is what was taught in Secondary school in Naija, screw that not just Naija but in any african school.
Do u know how backwards the american school system is?

Trust me dear I know, I do work for the department of education.

Please don't sell Naija short, thanks
Kobojunkie
Re: NUC: Lecturers Must Obtain Doctorate Degree By 2009
« #92 on: December 13, 2007, 11:38 PM »

Quote from: ~Lady~ on December 13, 2007, 11:22 PM
I read this and I applaud it.
It's about time.

@Kobojunkie

it is mandatory for u to have a Ph.D to be a full lecturer in the US.
That's the problem my school is facing.
In the school of business some of our lecturers don't have their Ph.Ds and because of that they've been let go.
My school is a candidate to be accredited by AACSB (international) and they've already requested that all our professors have their Ph.Ds.
Those who wish to stay are working on their Ph.Ds right now.
If u don't have a Ph.D, u can still lecture but u won't get the same pay and would not be fulltime so u need to have another job elsewhere.

A problem that we've faced in our institutions in Naija is that not many of them are research institutions.
Ofcourse they cannot be research institutions if the professors cannot even formulate a theory.

If we want to compete with the rest of the worls academically and we want to pull bright students from all over the globe and gain recognition then this a step forward.


I am glad your school is NOW deciding to make it mandatory for the full lecturers to have PhDs but according to your statement that has not always been the case.  If you are speaking of them holding full position as in tenure, that has been the case for years.

Kobojunkie
Re: NUC: Lecturers Must Obtain Doctorate Degree By 2009
« #93 on: December 13, 2007, 11:42 PM »

Quote from: ~Lady~ on December 13, 2007, 11:26 PM
@ Kobojunkie
"The average college graduate in Nigeria can not even sit on the same level with high school graduates in other parts of the world"

Please tell me this is a joke.

Did u ever school in Naija?
If u did, u'll know that what is beinf taught in the University in Yankee is what was taught in Secondary school in Naija, screw that not just Naija but in any african school.
Do u know how backwards the american school system is?

Trust me dear I know, I do work for the department of education.

Please don't sell Naija short, thanks


I am sorry if you feel I am selling Nigeria short but I can not deny what I lived first hand and have experienced over and over now. Yes, I did school in Nigeria and yes, many of the graduates fall short. Infact, I will go a step further and say that private high school students here are taught most the same things an undergraduate in Nigeria is spending time on.  Case and Point a friend of mine who happened to be top of her class in one of the medical schools in Nigeria. On arriving here found it hard to catch up for to pass her USMLE. Why ?? The Teaching she got from medical school down there did not prepare her for the exam. I have cousins who instead of being taught how to use a computer are still dealing with DRAWING a computer, in primary 5.

Now if your claim is half true, are you going to then tell me that the reason more and more students go abroad to get an education is because they have thousands of dollars/pounds to waste??
@labiyemmy (m)
Re: NUC: Lecturers Must Obtain Doctorate Degree By 2009
« #94 on: December 14, 2007, 12:32 AM »

very very good - there are to many chicken and baby lecturers out there.
Akolawole (m)
Re: NUC: Lecturers Must Obtain Doctorate Degree By 2009
« #95 on: December 14, 2007, 01:29 AM »

Quote from: ~Lady~ on December 13, 2007, 11:26 PM

Did u ever school in Naija?
If u did, u'll know that what is beinf taught in the University in Yankee is what was taught in Secondary school in Naija, screw that not just Naija but in any african school.
Do u know how backwards the american school system is?

Trust me dear I know, I do work for the department of education.

Please don't sell Naija short, thanks

Abi o.

I tire for these guys, once they cross over to the west, every single thing about Nigeria is rubbish.

@Debosky

Nice Analysis bro Wink

@ BlueBand

Yo've not answered my question.

How much do these cab drivers pay to their contollers?

@Topic

We want PHD holders as lecturers. It is that simple!


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