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|Religion / Re: Does Adeboye Now Believe In Canonization Of Saints? by PastorAIO: 9:49pm On Nov 27|
You are responding to a post that doesn't even mention necromancy, neither in a proper meaningful way nor in the meaningless way as you have been doing so far.
If the God of Abraham is the God of the living, then would you say that abraham can be dead? If abraham isn't dead then what about the other christians that claim to be children of Abraham and to share in his promises?
|Religion / Re: Does Adeboye Now Believe In Canonization Of Saints? by PastorAIO: 9:46pm On Nov 27|
You seem to be dismissive of the word Semantics. Why? I suspect you don't know the meaning of the word.
|Religion / Re: Does Adeboye Now Believe In Canonization Of Saints? by PastorAIO: 9:03pm On Nov 27|
Has God stopped being the god of Abraham Isaac and Jacob?
Is he the God of the living still, or can we now add dead people to the list?
Does our communion no longer include the living and the dead?
Are the dead in christ dead?
Who are the dead that bury the dead when Christ says let the dead bury the dead?
|Religion / Re: Does Adeboye Now Believe In Canonization Of Saints? by PastorAIO: 8:59pm On Nov 27|
Abeg o, that is not the meaning of necromancy. Necromancy is a form of divination based on the dead. The dead are not worshipped in Necromancy. anywhere you see =mancy it is a form of divination.
Geomancy. Divination using the earth
Hydromancy. Dvination using water.
etc etc etc
|Religion / Re: Why I Am An Aborisha by PastorAIO: 12:42pm On Nov 27|
I heard of Jewesun from Osamaro Ibie's book on Ifism. He goes into it in Oyeku meji. Frankly, I thought the entire book smacked of western influence and interpretation.
|Religion / Re: Why I Am An Aborisha by PastorAIO: 6:25pm On Nov 25|
Esu is the messenger of Eledumare. He delivers ebo to the orisha and he is an orisha of Justice.
Satan means the Adversary. That is an enemy. Esu is not an adversary in yoruba religion. Esu brings about the will of Eledumare.
|Religion / Re: Church History Outline by PastorAIO: 5:53pm On Nov 25|
Oh, he does know. But the fact does not support his lies.
you would be making a mistake to think that he is doing what he is doing out of ignorance. It's not ignorance it's malice.
13For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. 14No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. 15Therefore it is not surprising if his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness,
|Religion / Re: What Does The Bible Say About War? by PastorAIO: 2:41pm On Nov 21|
I'm waiting for the gotquestions link so that I know the answer.
|Religion / Re: Church History Outline by PastorAIO: 8:31pm On Nov 20|
When, according to you, Roman Catholicism started in 325 AD who were the founding members and leaders?
And what religion were they in before the formed the Roman Catholic Church?
Did these leaders include the heads of the Church in Ephesus, in Corinth, in Alexandria, in Galatia?
|Religion / Re: Church History Outline by PastorAIO: 11:40pm On Nov 19|
When in doubt?.... Gotquestions
|Religion / Re: Should Catholic Tradition Have Equal Or Greater Authority Than The Bible? by PastorAIO: 11:34pm On Nov 19|
If reverting back to protestantism is your understanding of publicly declaring to be wrong or evil, then only God can help your understanding of the english language.
Are you saying the 'final solution' meted out by Hitler to the Jews and others can be said to be legal executions?Not according to international law under which they were tried.
The Nuremberg trials (German: die Nürnberger Prozesse) were a series of military tribunals, held by the Allied forces after World War II, which were most notable for the prosecution of prominent members of the political, military, and economic leadership of Nazi Germany who allegedly planned, carried out, or otherwise participated in The Holocaust and other war crimes. The trials were held in the city of Nuremberg, Germany. -Wikipedia
You did not point out any untruths. What I posted were facts backed up with links. All you are interested in doing is to accuse and to impose your own biased story to attack the living word of God and you have failed.
Your lies are not the living word of God. Your audacity it so deplorable. Lying that Elizabeth denounced Catholicism is not the Living Word of God. It is a lie from your Father of lies.
Lying that Mary murdered her own subjects is not the Living word of God.
It's one thing to be so full of mendacity, but quite another thing to equate it to God's word. You have no fear of God in you.
|Religion / Re: Should Catholic Tradition Have Equal Or Greater Authority Than The Bible? by PastorAIO: 11:09pm On Nov 19|
What!! You're really incorrigible, you dis man. Good night.
|Religion / Re: Should Catholic Tradition Have Equal Or Greater Authority Than The Bible? by PastorAIO: 11:04pm On Nov 19|
Okay, well in that case you are using the word in the wrong sense. It is an understandable error.
This is the dictionary definition of denounce:
verb: denounce; 3rd person present: denounces; past tense: denounced; past participle: denounced; gerund or present participle: [b]denouncing
publicly declare to be wrong or evil.
"the Assembly denounced the use of violence"
synonyms: condemn, criticize, attack, censure, castigate, decry, revile, vilify, besmirch, discredit, damn, reject,
So you see Elizabeth never denounced Catholicism. However I understand if you mistakenly used the wrong word.
In my understanding of the english language the word 'Murder' is used to refer to unlawful or extra judicial killings.
the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.
"the brutal murder of a German holidaymaker"
synonyms: killing, homicide, assassination, liquidation, extermination, execution, slaughter, butchery, massacre; More
a very difficult or unpleasant task or experience.
"the 40-mile-per-hour winds at the summit were murder"
synonyms: hell, hell on earth, a nightmare, an ordeal, a trial, a frustrating/unpleasant/difficult experience, misery, torture, agony
"driving there was murder"
verb: murder; 3rd person present: murders; past tense: murdered; past participle: murdered; gerund or present participle: murdering
kill (someone) unlawfully and with premeditation.
"he was accused of murdering his wife's lover"
If Queen Mary had acted outside of the Law of England, a law which she was the Chief arbiter, then I would agree that she murdered her subjects. She had them executed? Yes. She had them Killed? Yes. I supposed it's like some arguments that you hear on NL here that since God is the Arbiter of morality then he can commit as much genocide as he likes and it is not immoral.
At the end of the day, we are not english so we cannot be blamed for misusing the english language.
It is not my place to condemn you, all I did was point out that your posts are full of untruths. I supposed I pointed that out with a bit of frustration, so I must apologise. If your factual inaccuracies were unintentional then I suppose rather than call you a liar I ought to have just said you have been terribly misinformed.
|Religion / Re: "I'm Tired Of Being A Christian", A Think-piece For Christians by PastorAIO: 10:38pm On Nov 19|
Ah, you get problem be that. I don't think you'll ever get it. You've dribbled yourself into the ground. I cannot answer for you the relevance of the question that you yourself asked. Try and meditate and pray for holy spirit to reveal to you why you asked the question and what it has to do with your response to InesQor.
|Religion / Re: Should Catholic Tradition Have Equal Or Greater Authority Than The Bible? by PastorAIO: 10:26pm On Nov 19|
You cannot renounce what you never were. and by the way renounce is different from denounce, so that is another lie from you.
|Religion / Re: Should Catholic Tradition Have Equal Or Greater Authority Than The Bible? by PastorAIO: 10:22pm On Nov 19|
Only God can save you from the wiles of your Father of Lies. Where did I deny that Mary killed anybody? Please show me o!
The only downgrading that I see going on is the moral fibre of your soul.
|Religion / Re: Should Catholic Tradition Have Equal Or Greater Authority Than The Bible? by PastorAIO: 10:18pm On Nov 19|
You said that Elizabeth 'Denounced' Catholicism. You didn't say that didn't remain a Catholic. Of course not. She because the very head of the Church of England. Stop lying about what even you yourself said.
You claimed that she denounced catholicism.
You asked me to provide proof, obviously hoping that it would be like seeking a needle in a haystack for me to prove this negative.
However it just so happened that in my readings on history I became well acquainted with Elizabeth's attitude to religion and religious wars, and far from denouncing anybody, she considered it a can of worms that she would rather not open at all, talk less of denouncing. Her attitude was that so long as all her subjects were loyal to their queen then they could practice whatever religion they wanted.
and in your last desperate attempt at pushing your lies, you try to shift the posts to say that she became a protestant. Her Mother was Anne Boleyn, for heavens sake!!! Anne Boleyn was the wife that pushed Henry to leave Catholicism so that they could get married. Elizabeth was born and raised a protestant.
|Religion / Re: Should Catholic Tradition Have Equal Or Greater Authority Than The Bible? by PastorAIO: 10:04pm On Nov 19|
Naturally, because you think that you have more ammunition with mary. So obviously you are tacitly admitting that you lied about Elizabeth 'denouncing' catholicism. No wahala, I accept your concession. But please repent from the Lies.
Now are you still telling us that Mary did not murder protestants?
More lies. Did I say that Mary did not kill any protestants. No I didn't, you Liar. Your father of lies must be very pleased with you.
In fact I gave you the exact number of protestants that Mary killed. That number is 284. And I compared it to the number of Catholics and catholic sympathisers her protestant father, King Henry, killed. That number was over 72,000. Again I ask, Why must you lie? Are you not afraid that you're covered in such mendacity and you are engaged in the matters of God and religion. Aren't you afraid? Or perhaps you are just cynical.
Perhaps you're one of those fools that the bible talks about when it says: The fool says in his heart there is no God. Inspite of your outward professions of belief actually you are a disbeliever and your actions betray that. I don't think anyone who truly believed in God could be so audaciously mendacious.
|Religion / Re: What Is Human Nature? What Does The Bible Say About Human Nature? by PastorAIO: 9:45pm On Nov 19|
That is a matter of your own interpretation. You're free to interpret any sense you want into it, I no hold you.
|Religion / Re: "I'm Tired Of Being A Christian", A Think-piece For Christians by PastorAIO: 9:38pm On Nov 19|
It is a more direct response to your response here:
If you trace the reason and context of this your post=40201106 you'll no doubt get what it has to do with your response to Inesqor. They follow one from another.
|Religion / Re: What Is Human Nature? What Does The Bible Say About Human Nature? by PastorAIO: 8:51pm On Nov 19|
Those who drank from just any cistern are now history
please bend your ears and listen to my story
Inna babylon system don't drink the poison
just any cistern, inna di system
not fit for my bredren and sistren.
|Religion / Re: What Is Human Nature? What Does The Bible Say About Human Nature? by PastorAIO: 8:38pm On Nov 19|
Perhaps you should write a song about that. Michael Jackson is dead, but maybe Prince will sing it.
|Religion / Re: "I'm Tired Of Being A Christian", A Think-piece For Christians by PastorAIO: 8:30pm On Nov 19|
Church means those that have been called out. You cannot have those that have been called out inside the hearts of people. There is no such thing as Church inside somebody's heart.
No, I'm asking for a community. A community that meets to share the sacraments. Sacraments such as Holy communion. Sacraments such as baptism.
That community of which this was written of in the second chapter of Acts.
42And they devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching and the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and the prayers. 43And awee came upon every soul, and many wonders and signs were being done through the apostles. 44And all who believed were together and had all things in common. 45And they were selling their possessions and belongings and distributing the proceeds to all, as any had need. 46And day by day, attending the temple together and breaking bread in their homes, they received their food with glad and generous hearts, 47praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to their number day by day those who were being saved.
|Religion / Re: Should Catholic Tradition Have Equal Or Greater Authority Than The Bible? by PastorAIO: 8:03pm On Nov 19|
You continue to lie and lie and lie.
The link you provided says this:
During her five-year reign, she had over 280 religious dissenters burned at the stake in the Marian persecutions.
That is even less than the number that I gave. The facts are that she killed 284 anti-catholics.
Her father Henry VIII who took england into protestantism killed 72,000 catholics and people who relied on catholic institutions like monasteries etc. Why do we remember her as 'Bloody Mary' While we don't associate her father with his murderous nature? Answer: Because the propagandist history was written by lying protestants like yourself. Opuro! Liar!! You are just too terrible. Lying for Jesus.
Of course you won't apologise for lying that 'I lied' and you 'blew my lies out of the water'. That would be too christlike for you.
Oya o, where is your next comic strip?
|Religion / Re: "I'm Tired Of Being A Christian", A Think-piece For Christians by PastorAIO: 6:24pm On Nov 19|
Which now begs the question, Where is the incorruptible Church today? (no more where is the Iron). Has Satan won?
|Religion / Re: Should Catholic Tradition Have Equal Or Greater Authority Than The Bible? by PastorAIO: 6:14pm On Nov 19|
"I would not open windows into men's souls."
What it means: Elizabeth was urged to force her Catholic subjects to become Protestant. She said no, as she did not want to force her subjects to choose either way.
Anti-Catholic junk history II: Mary I killed 284, Henry VIII up to 72,000 – but it's 'Bloody Mary' and 'Bluff King Hal'
So you see, your 'truth as depicted below' is nothing but the same ol pack of lies that your entire religious shambles is based on. Mr. Comic book hero.
|Religion / Re: What Is Human Nature? What Does The Bible Say About Human Nature? by PastorAIO: 6:05pm On Nov 19|
The song teaches that human beings are driven by sexual desire and it drives them to go out looking for someone to have sex with. And the song tells us that if anyone asks why we seek sexual partners just tell them that it's HUMAN NATURE.
|Religion / Re: I'm A Pentecostal, I Attended A Catholic Church For The First Time And... by PastorAIO: 6:01pm On Nov 18|
Oral means by word of mouth. abi? Now I believe that you are saying you accept that the church has traditions but not oral traditions. Well Jolliano has addressed that adequately here:
Is that enough for you or must you hear one such oral tradition spelt out before you accept what the bible says about the church having oral traditions.
Are all these many books inspired ? If yes why where they not included in the compilation, and pls mention one of these inspired books not compiled.
I'm not talking about the inspiration of the books. I'm stating that the very bible that you're talking about is a part of the church tradition.
Not you specifically but I've heard it said a lot here and elsewhere. I was being presumptuous, Sorry. Perhaps you can set me straight by stating your position clearly. Simply say: I, Dolphinheart, do not believe that Catholics disregard the bible.
Thank you. Now think about this carefully. Read what you've said once again. And then ask yourself the question that you've been asking in your last couple of post. 'Is there an instance of Oral tradition that Catholics teach'? You see that you don't need to go round and round in circles. As the catholics here have pointed out, if they tell you, you will say it is occult. Are you not demonstrating exactly what they predicted of you. Even since the start of this thread?
All I've seen is to point to some similarity between when mary got pregnant and some occassions involving the ark. This does not mean mary is the ark of covenant!, and the scriptures never implied so!
You are free to interpret the bible any which way you choose. You asked for an oral tradition.
What tradition necessary for salvation was eventually written down, and what happened to the poor souls who practiced christianity before it was written down?
I don't know what is the relevance of killing people with contrary view to state church, but I'm glad that you're not condemning illiterate christians because they cannot read bible.
|Religion / Re: Help: Which Authority? The Bible Or The Catholic Church by PastorAIO: 4:14pm On Nov 18|
All that is not half as interesting as considering what the psychological motivations for such behaviour would be.
I find it so fascinating. Is it compensation for a deep inner feelings of inadequacy? Feelings of inadequacy assuaged by pointing out someone else that can be seen to be even less adequate.
Is it a deep inner feeling of (self) hatred and (self) revulsion that needs to be projected outwards? And when he reads some tracts that offer the Roman Catholic Church as an hate object he jumps at the opportunity and is grateful from the relief he feels from finding something to hate.
|Religion / Re: "I'm Tired Of Being A Christian", A Think-piece For Christians by PastorAIO: 3:57pm On Nov 18|
Thank you for your response. I'm sorry if I put words in your mouth.
You're right, you said rust is not iron. you said Iron is in rust.
My issue is that the so-called iron in rust, can it continue to function as iron? as they say, if something walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck then it's probably a duck. We know iron by the properties it exhibits. If the iron in rust does not exhibit the properties of Iron as we know it, can we still say it's iron?
But these examples are straying from where we started from. Let's go back:
There were numerous individuals following Jesus. Peter, John, Thomas, Judas, Bartholomew..... etc etc etc.
At point Jesus gathered them together and form the church. These individuals make up the church.
Will you say that since these individuals existed before the formation of the church therefore the church existed before Christ formed the church?
If the church had a beginning and then according to you it suffered corruption....
I believe that question you asked is rhetorical. I could be wrong but I think you are saying that if it is corrupted it is no longer the same thing. That is what is usually understood as the problem of Identity. Can you continue to call something the same thing after it has undergone so many changes?
To you a corrupt church is no longer the church. am I right or wrong?
Or did you mean to say that as Iron maintains it's identity even when it is distorted by other atoms to form a molecule with totally different properties so does the church remains the church whether or not continues the exhibit the characteristics of the church?
I don't want to accuse you of talking out of both sides of your mouth at once till you properly explain to me what it is that you mean.
|Religion / Re: Help: Which Authority? The Bible Or The Catholic Church by PastorAIO: 1:11pm On Nov 18|
Please sir, when the Jews circumcised their infants at 8 days old...
11 You shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskins, and it shall be a sign of the covenant between me and you. Genesis 17:11
... What did the infant know about any covenant?
|Religion / Re: I'm A Pentecostal, I Attended A Catholic Church For The First Time And... by PastorAIO: 1:05pm On Nov 18|
you're missing the point. The bible itself is part of tradition that has been handed down from generations upon generations. There are many books in this world but the bible was compiled, copied and given special TLC by the church and handed down along with the sacraments and other oral traditions.
You contradict yourselves when you say that catholics only know what they know because 'scriptures told them'. Only a minute ago all I was hearing was how Catholics never read the bible and disregard the bible. So it is either they got their knowledge from the bible or they didn't. You have to decide which one it is that you believe, because there are still many christians in this world who are illiterate and I hope you are not condemning them because they cannot read the bible.
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