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Religion / Re: What Is A God? by PastorAIO: 6:48pm
Possibly… anyone who has any dominion over any part of the universe no matter how small is a god.

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Religion / Re: Contra Bibliolatreia I Mark 10:5 by PastorAIO: 6:18pm
Without a doubt I have a beef against 'bible based' christianity.

In fact I have a beef against any religion that is based on any text.

Then when that text is blatantly obviously written by men and even within the text there is an admission from the highest authority in the religion (Jesus in christianity) that a part of the text was written by a human precisely as a compromise for human recalcitrance I am left flabbergasted that people still walk around claiming that the text is the basis of their religion and that it was given directly by God. What Nonsense!

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Religion / Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by PastorAIO: 5:37pm
OLAADEGBU:


Any subjective morality we set for ourselves can only be arbitrary. Morality must be objective in the sense that the subjective morality of atheists who generally believe that it is okay to kill babies in their mothers womb or Muslims who believe that it is perfectly alright to murder non Muslims or some folks who believe it is their right to be racists. Who then is to say which moral code is to be followed. It is only God's absolute morality that is universal and is already written in our consciences. We don't hear them because of our sinful lifestyle.


Any subjective morality we set for ourselves can only be arbitrary.

Wrong!

Who then is to say which moral code is to be followed.

Followed by who? Why should everybody follow one single moral code?


It is only God's absolute morality that is universal and is already written in our consciences.

You don't really believe this, i don't think. you're just saying it because you read something like it somewhere. Think about what you're saying.
Religion / Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will NEVER Be A Christian Again. by PastorAIO: 10:33am On May 03
polymathic:
You can call the bible anything.. But it is the only TRUTH!!!!!!!

johnydon22:


what


It's not just the Truth but it's the only truth. Nothing else is true.

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Religion / Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will NEVER Be A Christian Again. by PastorAIO: 7:39pm On May 02
urahara:



The point i am trying to make is that whether the creator is one or 2 or 2 trillion is all just on assumptions


You assumed that there is only one creator.

The Assumptions are limitless

What are the chances that one assumption is true when there are an infinite number of other equally valid assumptions?

1 ÷ ∞ = 1/∞

That is an infinitesimal chance, as close as you'd get to zero and still be a possibility.



We can also look at it like this. What if the world is not the product of a single Will? This is more interesting.

Even if there were only One God perhaps he was conflicted. He had a number of wills. He wanted to create a world full of free willed creatures, but then he wanted to make sure that they did exactly his bidding. The conflict of these two Impulses/Wills resulted in the dog's breakfast we call Life today.

There is plenty of evidence that God can experience conflict of wills. He made man and then just before the flood he repented that he made Man. He does so many things and then repents of doing them. So obviously there are more than one single impulse in him that drives him to do the things he does like e.g Creating worlds.

In this case it doesn't matter how many Gods there are. Many Gods that have one will and one purpose are indistinguishable but one God with many conflicting wills, now that's very very interesting.

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Religion / Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will NEVER Be A Christian Again. by PastorAIO: 6:51pm On May 02
Blescyn:
Can anybody direct me to the page he finally stated the reason for his conversion....i'm too lazy to read comments

What you should do is go to his profile and when you get there click on his 'posts'. That will take you to all his posts that he has posted in the last few days. That way you can read all his posts without reading the nonsense that has been interjected on the thread. This is how I read some posts when there are too many people involved.

His story will be there all in one page.

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Religion / Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will NEVER Be A Christian Again. by PastorAIO: 11:19am On May 02
I think I get what many here have been wanting the OP to get to.

They were waiting for some traumatic event in the story of the op that would explain his change of beliefs.

Armed with such a traumatic incident they can explain away his apostasy by saying that it's an emotional reaction.

As the op told the story though it seems that it was a slow process of rational evaluation. Very unsatisfying.


Very unsatisfying.

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Religion / Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will NEVER Be A Christian Again. by PastorAIO: 2:44am On May 02
johnydon22:

so when debating, do not argue to win an argument or argue endlessly, it is needless and infantile..

Simple make your points and be done with it, all needed is just 1 tiny seed of doubt, natural curiosity takes over..

the result is always ......... You know it

You hit the nail on the head right there and that is the mistake many theists on NL are making. They are so desperate to win the argument that they resort to all sorts of underhand methods and aggressive yabbis. What they don't realise is that it is not just the people they are arguing with, nor even just the members of this forum, that are reading the posts and getting influenced. It is everybody that comes to NL mostly guests. These christians do so much for the spread of atheism with their inanities in their attempts to counter atheism.

Just make your points. Ask pertinent questions that strike right at the heart of a matter. Then Let the Religionists rage and hurl inanities at you. Once they do that, then your job is done. seeds have been planted. The failure of the apologists to logically respond is made clear for all to see.They will factor that into their own soul searching.

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Religion / Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will NEVER Be A Christian Again. by PastorAIO: 11:07pm On May 01
nelsonoba:



Ok.......so you've finally shown your true identity!?? And you've been fooling Johny and HardMirror all the while making them feel like you were in the same camp with them.

If sarcasm were to jump up and slap you in the face would you even recognise it.

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Religion / Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will NEVER Be A Christian Again. by PastorAIO: 10:16pm On May 01
laribari:


You really donot know me as I never run from questions but I can choose to ignore irrelevance.

Once again, I answe you please read well and deep. Mind games don't work on me.

Do you know he responded to someone saying "the thing with u christians" and accused another one for using upper key when he replied him. That young man called him Mr atheist. My friend read well for judging. I can point to 4 cases. I just wanted to answer you to show u I'm not clueless, I'm careful with my words.

I can choose to ignore irrelevance.

You're right, I do not know you, neither do i care to know you. My concern is with what pertains on this thread.

I don't see any mind games. What's wrong with someone forming an opinion about christians and then saying, 'the thing with u christians...'?

The guy he accused of using upper keys, did he actually use upper keys or was he falsely accused?

I don't see any mind games in those 2 cases you gave. Calling someone out for unnecessary use of upper case letters is just what it is and not a mind game.

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Religion / Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will NEVER Be A Christian Again. by PastorAIO: 8:16pm On May 01
laribari:


Really? I advice that you read carefully and deep.
This is not a competition but serious bizness for a lost soul.






Three times you responded to my post and not once did you answer my question.

Abeg where did you see him using psychology to frustrate christians by delay tactics?

I don't know what you mean by serious business competing for lost soul. Maybe you're confused about my mention of Joseph1013. Joseph is just another former staunch preacher of christianity that has opened up a thread dedicated to explaining his atheism to religious people. I meant that this thread is going to give his own thread a run for his money. A prospect that I suspect he will actually approve off.

Please answer my question that I asked you, if you care?

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Religion / Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will NEVER Be A Christian Again. by PastorAIO: 7:19pm On May 01
laribari:
Obviously you are well read but your psychological skill is well displayed here by trying to frustrate people with ur story (delay tactics) and anyone who looses patients is ridiculed by using their words against them through psychology, logic & philosophy.


Please, where did you see the above happen. If anything the frustration for his delays have come from atheists who want to hear the rest of his story.

p.s. Joseph1013 Someone is giving you a run for your money here o!

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Religion / Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by PastorAIO: 7:07pm On May 01
malvisguy212:
By saying morality is objective, it means that certain actions are wrong simply because they are wrong. It doesn't matter if a lot of people recognize that they are wrong. When we use the word "shouldn't" or "can't" we are implying that their is a way we human can behave, and your isn't it. Human don't invent moral out of nothing. If morality is subjective, then
statements like, "the Holocaust was evil," can be objectively true. If objective moral values exist,
then this statement would be true even if the
Nazis had won World War II and had convinced
every human being in the entire world that the
Holocaust was good. But if morality is subjective then the nazis german who believe the holocaust was Good will be indeed good for them.

I know what objective morality is! That's not what I asked.

I asked: Why MUST morality be objective? In other words, why is subjective morality so unsatisfactory for you?
Religion / Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will NEVER Be A Christian Again. by PastorAIO: 7:01pm On May 01
nelsonoba:



Like seriously, I dont understand your fascination with "Islamic" hell. Hell is hell, and I don't understand why you must create an Islamic hell out of the already existing hell.


I think that his point is that what marks one hell from the other is the qualification process. So hell is hell but his point is that you are very well qualified for Hell from the Islamic viewpoint. So you ought to be extremely worried for your fate as you feel he should be worried for his fate.

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Religion / Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by PastorAIO: 6:41pm On May 01
OLAADEGBU:


His moral code was implanted in us when He made us in His own image before this image became marred by sin. He is our Maker and we have to go back to the Owners Manual to reawaken our conscience. God's Holy Spirit will be reconnected to our spirits the moment we accept God's forgiveness in repentance and with His help we would be able to trust and obey His Moral Law.

Which of my many questions are you failing to answer here?
Religion / Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by PastorAIO: 6:38pm On May 01
OLAADEGBU:


It has to be because your subjective morality will not wash with the moral code of others. Therefore you cannot expect others to follow your moral code.

And now that you have objective morality, does yours wash with the moral code of others? Are others following your objective moral code?
Religion / Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will NEVER Be A Christian Again. by PastorAIO: 6:36pm On May 01
Every now and again a thread comes along in nairaland that makes sticking around worthwhile.

What a sweet thread!!?

HardMirror:
Infact. It is easier for a dedicated christian to become an atheist than an unserious christian.
Why. Because the unserious christian would be afraid that it is because he does not pray well, read the bible or live a holy life that is why the devil is deceiving him that the bible is not god's word.
But once you read the whole bible over and over again and you are genuinely concerned and sincere about life and the after life, you begin to ask questions and begin to see the stupidity of what you hinge you life on.
The moment you have a personal relationship with God and he is a Father to you more than being a far away God, then you begin to realize he is doing nothing to help humanity. You go out you see people suffering. You feel so bad and your heavenly father is doing nothing to help them. You want to go about praying for people like Jesus you just end up embarrassing yourself. Why do you think all these big pastors don't go about on the street like Jesus? They know god does not heal and going on the street will expose them real fast.
It's all a facade.

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Religion / Re: Why Do Some People Suspect The Current Israel Nationals Are Imposters? by PastorAIO: 1:14pm On Apr 30
analice107:

Why will you assume am a fake christian? So because I got so busy and couldn't attach scriptures that makes me fake? Satanists and Muslims are the same, Screeching.

Okay, when you get less busy I look forward to seeing attached scriptures. Thank you.
Religion / Re: Why Do Some People Suspect The Current Israel Nationals Are Imposters? by PastorAIO: 11:32am On Apr 29
analice107:
Am a bible believing person, both Old and Testament, that said. I will only take you serious if you drop a verse of scripture that enjoins the Jews to …..


Any one group who veers from their book, can't be called believers in that religion.
So what's your point?

I'm happy to stick to the bible on this subject even though I totally disagree that christianity is based on a book, the bible.

So you're still asking what's my point. Yet you failed to see or address any of the points that I've already pointed out to you.



The point is that we are discussing Jews and Israel and you came to contribute absolute poo saying things like there is no pure blooded jew anymore and Jews need to be pure blooded.

I then demonstrated to you from the bible that the 'jews' that followed Moses were not pure blooded from the beginning.

I also demonstrated to you from the bible that Abraham their father was himself an Iraqi.

I demonstrated from the bible that many foreigners joined the Israelites and got circumcised.


Do you want me to number them? Or give them bullet points?

All my points above are based from the bible. You haven't answered them.

In the meantime can you yourself give us the biblical basis for you claims. You said:


analice107:
Their men can marry and bring in, which is also rare, their girls noon. That's like throwing their Jewels away to swines.
Zuchabech just married a Chinese, his daughter is Jewish all the way.

Where does the bible say that Jewish men may marry outside but Jewish women no?

If you cannot answer this question then you have just exposed yourself because you said:

analice107:

Any one group who veers from their book, can't be called believers in that religion.

Are you a fake christian?
Religion / Re: Why Do Some People Suspect The Current Israel Nationals Are Imposters? by PastorAIO: 2:11pm On Apr 28
analice107:

What's the point of this anyways.

The point is that we are discussing Jews and Israel and you came to contribute absolute poo saying things like there is no pure blooded jew anymore and Jews need to be pure blooded.

I then demonstrated to you from the bible that the 'jews' that followed Moses were not pure blooded from the beginning.

I also demonstrated to you from the bible that Abraham their father was himself an Iraqi.

I demonstrated from the bible that many foreigners joined the Israelites and got circumcised.

I then pointed to jewish traditions that tell us that you are not born a jew unless your mother is a jew. if you father is a jew and not your mother then you are not a born jew (though you can convert when you get older). This demonstrates that you were talking poo when you said things like jewish men can marry outside but not the women. There is more pressure in fact on Jewish men to marry a jewish woman if they want their children to be jewish and less pressure on the women. This is a fact.

It is a part of the circumcision ritual that when the foreskin has been cut the rabbi will put the joystick in his mouth. This tradition of theirs has even become such big news recently due to some babies being infected with std that I'm surprised that anybody missed it.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLcXvgv4FYI
Religion / Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by PastorAIO: 11:36am On Apr 28
malvisguy212:
do you think being moral mean your acts will earn you favor with God ?

I don't know how this pertains to the questions that I asked. Or are you just changing the issue?
Religion / Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by PastorAIO: 11:35am On Apr 28
malvisguy212:
By saying morality is objective, it means that certain actions are wrong simply because they are wrong. It doesn't matter if a lot of people recognize that they are wrong. When we use the word "shouldn't" or "can't" we are implying that their is a way we human can behave, and your isn't it. Human don't invent moral out of nothing. If morality is subjective, then
statements like, "the Holocaust was evil," can be objectively true. If objective moral values exist,
then this statement would be true even if the
Nazis had won World War II and had convinced
every human being in the entire world that the
Holocaust was good. But if morality is subjective then the nazis german who believe the holocaust was Good will be indeed good for them.

I know what objective morality is.

What I asked was Why is it so imperative that our Morality must be objective?
Religion / Re: Dialectics Of Violence And Morality by PastorAIO: 2:08am On Apr 28
KingEbukasBlog:


PastorAIO does not know 99 percent of the words he uses- that's what I think of you . And why the heck do you think your opinion is true or even counts . You need to get your brain checked this guy . The same way you feel we dont know what we are doing , its the same way we feel you know nothing . Every man to his own opinion .

crase man. I beg, I concede. You are right. Profile is equal to definition.

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Religion / Re: Dialectics Of Violence And Morality by PastorAIO: 1:18am On Apr 28
AgentOfAllah:


Except I don't know the meaning of 'definition', I am pretty sure you didn't give any definitions at all, you only made more claims about what god has supposedly done, and a few witless statements like god "is the I AM" and "in the beginning was the word, the word was with god and the word was god" and used the bible as an authority as if that's a logically valid argument.

Remember that this is meant to be your proof that belief in god is logical. Using logical fallacies (such as appeal to biblical authority) to demonstrate logic is just an absurd paradox. And this is even assuming that any sense can be made from the stuff you've quoted. So please, I am still waiting for your logical definition of god, thanks.

Something I keep forgetting but is worth your while remembering is that a lot of these guys do not actually know the meanings of 90 per cent of the words they use.

I don't think he understand what you mean when you ask for a definition.

KingEbukasBlog:

You asked for the definition of God , where the hell am I going to get it from ? Alex Ferguson's biography ? undecided . Its like you asking for the profile of Chelsea fc , I get it from the official website and you accuse me of making logical fallacies (such as appeal to official club website authority ) . grin . Dude , you are not making any sense . Anyway , I'll just answer your questions .
My belief in God being logical is totally different though .

A definition is not a profile. you may get the profile of Chelsea fc from the official website, but you won't get the definition of Chelsea fc from the website.

You don't get the definition of any word you've used from any external source. You spoke a word. We presume that you know what you intended to refer to when you used the word. If you cannot provide a definition for yourself from your own brain then that means that you had no idea what you were talking about before you used the word.

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Religion / Re: Why Do Some People Suspect The Current Israel Nationals Are Imposters? by PastorAIO: 1:07am On Apr 28
analice107:

You are soumding like a degenerate. So our new borns whom we circumcises, gets Bjs?

Who is we? Are you a jew?
Religion / Re: Why Do Some People Suspect The Current Israel Nationals Are Imposters? by PastorAIO: 10:35pm On Apr 27
analice107:

And when is this? You mean I should take his version and discard the Holy Scripture? Wait, do you think am an atheist with slow brains? Without the Bible we won't know these things in the first place, and all of sudden I have to look else where for answers which are already provided by the Bible? Am not in line with you.

This is a known fact about jews. I tire to argue. Abeg, if you want confirmation, go and ask a jew.
Religion / Re: Why Do Some People Suspect The Current Israel Nationals Are Imposters? by PastorAIO: 10:33pm On Apr 27
analice107:

If you are going to have a discussion with me, you will have to have a life. I don't talk low life degenerates.

Are you calling Judaism Lowlife degenerate?

Metzitzah b'peh is a Jewish religious male circumcision ceremony performed by on the eighth day of a male infant's life. Sometimes seen as controversial since it in its traditional form involves the circumciser briefly sucking on the joystick afterwards which has been argued to cause a risk of transmitting herpes.
http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Metzitzah_b'peh


Dude, if you want to be a jew they will cut your tin and then you'll get a bj. That's the process. No be me invent the ritual.

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Religion / Re: Why Do Some People Suspect The Current Israel Nationals Are Imposters? by PastorAIO: 10:23pm On Apr 27
analice107:

Jewisness is past from the mother down to where? Really? And the 12 Tribes of Israel never mentioned daughters, only Dina, and that's becos of the incident she got involved in with Shechem. Pls preach your heresy and go left.

uestion:

Why is Judaism passed down through the mother? I understand in olden times it was easy to know who your mother was and there was no way of proving fatherhood. But these days we have DNA testing, so why can't someone be Jewish even if only their father is Jewish?

Answer:

Jewishness is not in our DNA. It is in our soul. The reason it is passed down through the maternal line is not just because it is easier to identify who your mother is. It is because the soul identity is more directly shaped by the mother than the father.

http://www.chabad.org/theJewishWoman/article_cdo/aid/968282/jewish/Why-Is-Jewishness-Passed-Down-Through-the-Mother.htm
Religion / Re: Dialectics Of Violence And Morality by PastorAIO: 10:20pm On Apr 27
KingEbukasBlog:


You rushed to a conclusion after asking me questions on concepts you dont understand? . How is that even possible ?

A round of applause for this gentleman


cheesy cheesy cheesy
Religion / Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by PastorAIO: 10:14pm On Apr 27
OLAADEGBU:


It has to be objective because we can't impose our subjective moral code on others. Only God, who has the highest standard can do that and that's because He created us in His own image.

Only God can impose a subjective moral code on others. Okay.

Why must you impose your moral code, subjective or objective, on others?

Will it pain you if you can't impose your moral code on others? If so, why so?

He created us in his image so he can impose his morality on us abi?

Biko, why did he then not want us to have knowledge of Good and Evil, according to your source?

Why wasn't the moral code automatic when he made us in his image, instead Man had to eat the knowledge of good and evil first?

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Religion / Re: Dialectics Of Violence And Morality by PastorAIO: 8:10pm On Apr 27
KingEbukasBlog:


mtcheew


Thank you for the benediction.
Religion / Re: Dialectics Of Violence And Morality by PastorAIO: 8:02pm On Apr 27
omonnakoda:
Tell me more

Well I was at the end of the universe and I tried to imagine what was on the other side of the wall but all I could imagine was empty space, but I knew that was not true because there couldn't even be space on the other side. In the end my attempts to figure it out was just an exercise in futility.

KingEbukasBlog:

We all know you are but is this a way of evading my question? A new tactic I am not aware of .

It is either that I am too daft to answer or I am evading. Only a great true and approved omniscient one like you can know for true. I don't believe there can be a tactic that you are not aware off. You're too intelligent!! I know I'm stupiddd, but trust me, I'm not Stupiddd enough to try to outsmart you. I've learnt that lesson, at least.

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