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|Religion / Re: Were The Early Christians Roman Catholics? by PastorAIO: 12:33pm On Apr 24|
I couldn't say if the are available online or not. None of that is the point. You said only books that were written by apostles, OR in circulation in their lifetime, ....
These books ( to the extent that we can know) fulfil your criteria as much as the gospels.
Why would you not accept these books as scripture? May I suggest it is because they are not a part of the tradition that have come down to you via the Catholic Church.
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|Religion / Re: Were The Early Christians Roman Catholics? by PastorAIO: 11:57am On Apr 24|
Okay o, anyhow you like it.
|Religion / Re: Were The Early Christians Roman Catholics? by PastorAIO: 11:28am On Apr 24|
I think a big part of the problem here, and generally in threads like this is that many people are unaware that the bible contains a variety of theologies, and a variety of cosmologies.
You run into the problems you do when you think that the bible is coherent all over. It is neither coherence nor cogent.
|Religion / Re: Were The Early Christians Roman Catholics? by PastorAIO: 2:09pm On Apr 22|
What about books Like The Shepherd of Hermas?
|Religion / Re: Were The Early Christians Roman Catholics? by PastorAIO: 1:58pm On Apr 22|
So please when did it start?
A) in the upper room on Pentecost
B) in Antioch a few years later
C) on 397ad by Constantine
D) in the life time of jesus when the bible says he called out ( ekklesia) his disciples.
E) all of the above and more
F) none of the above and less
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|Religion / Re: Were The Early Christians Roman Catholics? by PastorAIO: 1:48pm On Apr 22|
If it is a matter of tracing it to the apostles then the 4 gospels fail. Just the trial of Jesus alone is enough. How do we know what happened in the trials when the bible itself told us that all jesus' followers fled when he hot arrested. So how do we know all the things that happened during his trial if the only acceptable sources were not even there.
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|Religion / Re: Were The Early Christians Roman Catholics? by PastorAIO: 1:42pm On Apr 22|
Please, what institution was Jesus referring to in Matthew 18:17
|Religion / Re: Were The Early Christians Roman Catholics? by PastorAIO: 12:19pm On Apr 22|
Please read my post again. It has been amended.
|Religion / Re: Were The Early Christians Roman Catholics? by PastorAIO: 12:18pm On Apr 22|
I see no correlation of the priestly garb of the roman pagan priests and the priestly garb of the Catholic Church,
There were very many books and letters in circulation amongst early Christians. Canonisation occurred to stop the spread if heresies. I agree. The criteria for selecting books was in tws of their theology/doctrine. Those text whose doctrines were not acceptable to the church were rejected. I think the matter of fabrications mattered less than the matter of doctrine.
|Religion / Re: Were The Early Christians Roman Catholics? by PastorAIO: 11:59am On Apr 22|
No wahala! Sebi they are human beings too.
|Religion / Re: Were The Early Christians Roman Catholics? by PastorAIO: 11:57am On Apr 22|
Are you Shadeyinka?
Oops! Na you even write the post wey I respond to. Okay, now using your own same reasoning consider this:
Catholic just means universal therefore Catholic Church spread out over the earth like 'Kingdom of heaven' that Jesus described.
Christian means Christ follower. Bcatholic means universal. These two words are not mutually exclusive.
|Religion / Re: Were The Early Christians Roman Catholics? by PastorAIO: 9:40am On Apr 22|
Following your reasoning... Jesus didn't start Christianity. After all we know when it started. Christianity started in Antioch where the term was first coined.
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|Religion / Re: Were The Early Christians Roman Catholics? by PastorAIO: 9:26am On Apr 22|
But canonisation of scriptures is pertinent especially as you've conferred all authority in Christian matters away from the church onto to bible.
I'm also curious as to how you became familiar with Jewish fashion and roman fashions of antiquity. How do you know that priestly garb is not similar to Jewish priestly garb?
|Religion / Re: Were The Early Christians Roman Catholics? by PastorAIO: 9:17am On Apr 22|
You assume wrong.
|Religion / Re: Were The Early Christians Roman Catholics? by PastorAIO: 10:40pm On Apr 21|
Cool. I presume that when you got the information previously you did due diligence to confirm.
|Religion / Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by PastorAIO: 10:38pm On Apr 21|
|Religion / Re: Were The Early Christians Roman Catholics? by PastorAIO: 10:20pm On Apr 21|
Having thanked him, are you now prepared to go and verify the information or do you plan to just swallow it hook link and sinker?
|Religion / Re: Were The Early Christians Roman Catholics? by PastorAIO: 6:16pm On Apr 21|
Thank you. I've been creeping back slowly for a few weeks now. I pray that all is good with you.
|Religion / Re: Were The Early Christians Roman Catholics? by PastorAIO: 3:58pm On Apr 21|
The op betrays an ignorance of the history of Christianity.
The Catholic Church never claimed that all early christians were Catholics. In fact history tells us that there were many many different types of Christianity in the first century. A lot of these the Catholic Church claims were heresies.
However the version of Christianity that won out over the others was the orthodox Christianity of the Roman Catholic Church. No protestant can make the claim of antiquity that the Catholic Church has unless they claim to hark back to heresy.
|Religion / Re: EXPLANATION :BIBLE STORIES THAT DON'T ADD UP by PastorAIO: 2:17pm On Apr 21|
You should read my posts before you respond to me. There is nowhere that I assumed that the bible writers were 'stupid'. That's a false accusation. If anything it is the likes of you and Felix that assume that they've made a mistake and feel a need to cover that fact up.
I stated clearly my position. That yes, there are contradictions. And yes, the contradictions are intentional. So I don't think it was a rush to pen something down that caused the contradiction. It was intentional.
It is the false premise that the bible is an account of history that is the cause of all the twisting and writhing.
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|Religion / Re: EXPLANATION :BIBLE STORIES THAT DON'T ADD UP by PastorAIO: 2:04pm On Apr 21|
Why did Saul 'forget' who David was? What was Saul's Sickness?
|Religion / Re: Traditional woshipper! What Is The Ifa Philosophy? by PastorAIO: 2:54pm On Apr 20|
Olodumare is the ultimate arbiter of everything so I guess whatever Ori does, it is Olodumare at work.
In Christianity one can ask if Christ created the world or if Yahweh created the world.
|Religion / Re: How Orunmila Spied On Almighty God by PastorAIO: 2:38pm On Apr 20|
I believe the OP is taken from a book by Osamaro Ibie which has a tendency to conflate a lot of Ifa teachings with Christian terminology.
But hey, all religions probably start out that way. Afterall we can see before our eyes people reading the bible and conflating it with the cultural perspectives of their tribes.
Just recently Muttley Laff told as that Saul was a Yoruba man and when he asked whose father David was he was asking it in a Yoruba sense.
Not long ago I met someone in a thread that refused to believe that Jewishness is passed down through the mother because in her village it is unheard of that ancestry should be considered through the mother but it is always through the father.
This is why I say that bible is probably a useless book for most Nigerians.
|Religion / Re: How Orunmila Spied On Almighty God by PastorAIO: 2:33pm On Apr 20|
Don't worry, I don't blame you. I would troll me if I were you. Maybe you can get some of the scraps that fall of the master's table.
|Religion / Re: Unconsummated Fortune - Idi Okonron by PastorAIO: 12:45pm On Apr 20|
No, I'm not mocking you. You have to first do something mockable before I mock you.
I know that Itan from Ogunda meji, however it does not break down the prescription for the ebo.
What does the ebo require? Also it would be nice if you could quote out the full verse of these odu instead of just the stories from Osamaro Ibie's book.
|Religion / Re: How Orunmila Spied On Almighty God by PastorAIO: 12:34pm On Apr 20|
Are you trolling me now?
|Religion / Re: EXPLANATION :BIBLE STORIES THAT DON'T ADD UP by PastorAIO: 5:19pm On Apr 19|
And after asking the question in Chapter 17 did he then come to know Jesse by sight? Since it is the 'by sight' that is biting you. What information did he gain in Chapter17 that he didn't already have in Chapter 16.
|Religion / Re: EXPLANATION :BIBLE STORIES THAT DON'T ADD UP by PastorAIO: 5:16pm On Apr 19|
MuttleyLaff:I now see where you're going so wrong. The difference between you and me is that I know where to be creative and where not to be. This is not the creative arts. If it was painting or music, or dancing I very much doubt that you can even be half as creative as me. However this is not the arts, this is a simple matter of biblical exegesis and literary criticism. I know that your whole approach to religion is to make it up as you go along and that is why creativity is so important to you, but I'm sorry to say that that is not the correct approach to religious matters.
So your reasonable reason is that as a Yoruba man Saul was asking: ''Tani baba omode yi, gangan nile yi, paapaa?''
It's not ego. it's a statement of fact. If you made a mistake and you say 'sorry I made a mistake', I can accept that. But you are conflating Hebrew with Jewish, that suggests you don't know the first thing of what you are talking about.
|Religion / Re: Unconsummated Fortune - Idi Okonron by PastorAIO: 10:42am On Apr 19|
Shouldn't you let the man come and speak for himself? Or are you him with another monicker?
|Religion / Re: Unconsummated Fortune - Idi Okonron by PastorAIO: 8:50pm On Apr 18|
Amubo is the spirit that causes 'nearly does not score a goal'
|Religion / Re: Unconsummated Fortune - Idi Okonron by PastorAIO: 1:54pm On Apr 18|
Thanks for the buttressing. I would really like to know the answer.
|Religion / Re: EXPLANATION :BIBLE STORIES THAT DON'T ADD UP by PastorAIO: 1:53pm On Apr 18|
I don't need to spin a different line. I know this line is oppressing you and it will continue to oppress you until you show some integrity and own up that the 2 chapters are incongruous.
We don't need 'nth to the power reasons', only one Reasonable reason will do. Thanks.
Are you familiar with Hebrew (not jewish, olodo) customs, culture, idioms etc?
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