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|Religion / Re: The Nature/character Of Temptation. by PastorAIO: 11:33am|
Which kind you get?
|Religion / Re: The Nature/character Of Temptation. by PastorAIO: 11:30am|
I don't know what all that is that you're writing. I asked very simple questions. You said Satan tempted Jesus where he spotted weakness. So I asked you what weakness he was attacking when he offered him the Kingdoms. Was it megalomania? If not, just say, 'no it's not' and then tell us what the weakness was.
And also that for jumping off high place. What was the weakness? Was Jesus uncertain of God that he felt a need to test him for confirmation?
If you feel you can't answer these questions that okay too, but in that case just spare me the mentions.
|Religion / Re: The Nature/character Of Temptation. by PastorAIO: 10:51pm On May 30|
And what about the offer to rule all the kingdoms of the world?
Did Satan see a sign of megalomania?
And jumping from the high place?
Did he feel that Jesus needed to test God?
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|Religion / Re: The Nature/character Of Temptation. by PastorAIO: 8:12pm On May 30|
twas not in protest, but merely an enquiry. I could do with a little bit of trouble actually.
|Religion / Re: The Nature/character Of Temptation. by PastorAIO: 7:29pm On May 30|
|Religion / Re: Contra Bibliolatreia I Mark 10:5 by PastorAIO: 2:31pm On May 30|
How specific does an intended message have to be? i.e Can a double entendre be intended? In which case the intention is not one point or the other but the contemplation of the possibility of both points.
On the other hand in communication how accurate is received understanding in reflection intention. You say what you mean but do I get what you mean? Or did you mean what I Understood?
These and many other interesting questions can be addressed to the issue of communications.
|Religion / Re: I Had An Accident (PICTURE): Unraveling the foolishness in God's protection by PastorAIO: 2:23pm On May 30|
It's an understandable misunderstanding.
|Religion / Re: I Had An Accident (PICTURE): Unraveling the foolishness in God's protection by PastorAIO: 2:18pm On May 30|
O boy, your own don pass matter. You're obviously incapable of following an argument. Let's just forget it.
|Religion / Re: I Had An Accident (PICTURE): Unraveling the foolishness in God's protection by PastorAIO: 12:00pm On May 30|
Not every theist is a christian.
|Religion / Re: I Had An Accident (PICTURE): Unraveling the foolishness in God's protection by PastorAIO: 11:59am On May 30|
You're going on about punishment for this that or the other. Human emotions don't come into the issue either.
You say that you're an expert on Pascal's wager. Pascal's wager is about whether to believe in God or not. Is that so?
The matter of God's existence is at the heart of it. Please tell me if I'm wrong.
No where did Homer ever mention that greek gods killed anybody because they didn't believe in their existence.
No where in Greek mythology will we find a notion of a final day of reckoning in which part of what we shall be judged on is whether or not we believed in the existence of the gods.
Please tell me if any of these things I'm saying are right or wrong.
Christianity is unique in that it makes the criteria for escaping judgment Belief. I'm not aware of any other religion that does so and that is why I say that Pascal's wager still holds for christians.
|Religion / Re: The Nature/character Of Temptation. by PastorAIO: 11:46am On May 30|
It says, I think, he was resolved to do wrong but had a change of heart.
|Religion / Re: I Had An Accident (PICTURE): Unraveling the foolishness in God's protection by PastorAIO: 6:46pm On May 29|
You guys should start a testimony thread for Atheist.
Call it 'What the Spaghetti Monster has Done for me' or something like that.
|Religion / Re: I Had An Accident (PICTURE): Unraveling the foolishness in God's protection by PastorAIO: 6:44pm On May 29|
If you don't have time then why are you here? Are you saying that what I asked you is not pertinent?
Prometheus gave humans fire and was punished. So what?
We are talking about Pascal's wager I believe. Do you know what Pascal's wager is? What is it?
Again I ask you. Did Prometheus refuse to believe in the existence of Zeus? Did Zeus say he will punish people who did not believe in him?
|Religion / Re: The Nature/character Of Temptation. by PastorAIO: 5:52pm On May 29|
This is very interesting and insightful because it is not only actions that affect our being but also thoughts. Merely thinking pleasurable things will trigger off endorphins and hormones in the body. Maybe those hormones have some intrinsic toxicity in themselves. But I'm just speculating.
|Religion / Re: The Nature/character Of Temptation. by PastorAIO: 5:50pm On May 29|
This parable though …
"But what do you think? A man had two sons, and he came to the first, and said, 'Son, go work in my vineyard.' He answered, 'I will not,' but afterward he changed his mind, and went. He came to the second, and said the same thing. He answered, 'I go, sir,' but he didn't go. Which of the two did the will of his father?"
They said to him, "The first."
|Religion / Re: I Had An Accident (PICTURE): Unraveling the foolishness in God's protection by PastorAIO: 4:23pm On May 29|
Did Prometheus fail to believe in him?
|Religion / Re: I Had An Accident (PICTURE): Unraveling the foolishness in God's protection by PastorAIO: 4:04pm On May 29|
Says me. Where is the jealousy and vindictiveness? Show me.
|Religion / Re: The Nature/character Of Temptation. by PastorAIO: 3:56pm On May 29|
… Or one can perch delicately on the precipice, merely contemplating the thought and enjoying the contemplation. Fantasising can be so sweet.
In fact most pleasures and pains in life are rooted in conceits. We live in fear of things that haven't happened and possibly will never happen and we delight in things that haven't happened and also will possibly never happen. This fact has many economic implications.
Hope itself is a commodity. We can put a price on hope and buy and sell it. We can do this for pretty much any of our conceits because we experience them as if they were real.
|Religion / Re: Why Did God Condone Such Terrible Violence In The Old Testament? by PastorAIO: 3:42pm On May 29|
Threats threats threats. When you are at your wits end all you can resort to are threats.
|Religion / Re: I Wish To Join Occult,ur Advice Is Needed. by PastorAIO: 3:04pm On May 29|
Go around in a mask like Lagbaja and you will be Occult.
|Religion / Re: Contra Bibliolatreia I Mark 10:5 by PastorAIO: 3:01pm On May 29|
I think it might help if we define what we mean by truth.
I believe in logic that truth is just a value that is assigned to a statement. So any statement e.g. "London is in England" can be assigned one of two values, True or False.
For me personally, I like to define Truth as That Which Is And Always Is The Case.
With this definition I am not just referring to statements but to the entirety of experience. The world that we perceive with our senses is not the Truth because everything in it is subject to change. Things might seem to be the case one instance and cease to be the case the next instant. Ultimately, by my definition, Truth can only exist in eternity, but in this world of our senses we see derivations of truth.
I'm asking for your definition because of your use of the phrase 'absolute truth'. Absolute truth as distinct from what? Relative Truth? I suspect that you do not believe that there is any such thing as relative truth (being a catholic).
|Religion / Re: Contra Bibliolatreia I Mark 10:5 by PastorAIO: 2:47pm On May 29|
No, he certainly wasn't talking scientific fact. But my question is: Was he talking historical fact?
|Religion / Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by PastorAIO: 2:44pm On May 29|
|Religion / Re: I Had An Accident (PICTURE): Unraveling the foolishness in God's protection by PastorAIO: 2:42pm On May 29|
Well tbh some parts of the bible agree with that. But then other parts directly contradict those parts.
As for morality, forget it, the worst thing for anybody or society trying to develop moral character is christianity.
|Religion / Re: Why Did God Condone Such Terrible Violence In The Old Testament? by PastorAIO: 2:38pm On May 29|
That's not even my own inside. My own is, Why can he not come and do his tyranny and sadism for himself. Why is he always sending humans, who happen to be equally as tyrannical and sadistic as himself, to do the job for him.
|Religion / The Nature/character Of Temptation. by PastorAIO: 2:35pm On May 29|
The Nature of Temptation.
When I get tempted, I mull over the tempting act. I go through it in my mind, imagining myself doing it. Vicariously, I contemplate the pleasure of doing the act. Then I might resist the temptation and refuse to actually carry out the act.
This is my experience of temptation.
When I see a beautiful woman with nice gravity defying mammaries, a gluteus maximus to die for and curves and dips that tingle my imagination, already I've imagined all manner of lascivious actions. Hardly can a sexy girl pass by and I will not be thus tingled.
However I consider myself a disciplined man and I do not hardly ever follow through with these thoughts.
it is quite disconcerting to realise that Matthew 5:28 considers the contents of my imagination to be as sinful as my actions.
27You have heard that it was said, ‘Do not commit adultery.’ 28But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman to lust after her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
This leaves me wondering about what the nature of Jesus' temptations were. Did Jesus too mull over the opportunities that the Satan was offering him?
If he did then was he guilty of sin by contemplation.?
And if he did not even once consider the Satan's offer then can it be called temptation.
Of course Satan is a separate being from Jesus so the tempting suggestions are externalised to him. However the rest of us humans are not so lucky. When we are tempted the temptations occur as thoughts in our own heads. If they were externalised as another person saying, 'olboy, look that yansh', it would be much easier to escape.
So the temptations of Christ and the temptations that we go through everyday are of a totally different nature. Can they even be said to be the same thing?
Now consider this:
12Blessed is the man who remains steadfast under trial, for when he has stood the test he will receive the crown of life, which God has promised to those who love him. 13Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God,” for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself tempts no one. 14But each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desire. 15Then desire when it has conceived gives birth to sin, and sin when it is fully grown brings forth death.
James chapter 1
So if Jesus is God and God cannot be tempted then what can we say happened to Jesus in the wilderness? I believe that James is right when he says that temptation starts with your own desire. At least that is my experience.
So what is the nature of what happened to Jesus in the wilderness?
|Religion / Re: I Had An Accident (PICTURE): Unraveling the foolishness in God's protection by PastorAIO: 2:06pm On May 29|
But Zeus is not jealous and vindictive so he'll probably just let it slide. But Yahweh?
Pascal's wager requires a downside to not believing. No other religion provides this downside like abrahamic religions. So Pascal's wager still holds.
|Religion / Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by PastorAIO: 11:00am On May 29|
Stop talking to yourself. Na so craze dey start.
|Religion / Re: Religious People Should Think About This (food4thought) by PastorAIO: 12:13pm On May 28|
But deeper than religion is the general cultures of the peoples of africa. I think the problem has many factors but some of the biggest factors that no one seems to want to face are within our cultures. One of the biggest of these big factors is the Privilege that we give to seniority.
Privilege of any sort is the bane of any society. A progressive dynamic culture is firmly rooted in meritocracy. The moment you start to veer away from this and start rewarding people on the basis of privileges the society starts to decline.
Can you imagine a man can open his mouth and spew complete utter Inanity, and if you try to correct him his response will be 'Am I your mate?'. What has age got to do with talking sense? This awarding privileges to daft nonsensical factors whether it is age or religious office (like pastor) or weath, or political office (Oga-ism) is the bane of africa and any society for that matter. On the other hand the stricter a meritocracy you have in a society the stronger and more efficient the society will be.
By the time our minds have been formed by threats and violence by the age of 5 we start to fear certain positions of authority and our ability to think clearly is befuddled. No society that cannot challenge Authority can advance. By the age of 5 our minds are prepared to just follow blindly what the pastor and imam says questioningly. If it wasn't christianity and islam it would be some other religion. So while the religion is problematic it is not the root of the problem.
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|Religion / Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by PastorAIO: 12:16am On May 28|
So is it a contradiction? Or is it that God in his infinite kindness, realising that his children love to pick and choose felt that it's best to give them an ample supply of various doctrines.
|Religion / Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by PastorAIO: 4:55pm On May 27|
Do you realise that you have just totally destroyed the bible with this quote of yours? I've actually been meaning to do a thread on this for some time now. Perhaps now is the time.
|Religion / Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by PastorAIO: 4:52pm On May 27|
As for the rest of this poo, it has absolutely no bearing on the discussion.
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