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Religion / Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by PastorAIO: 9:26pm
JMAN05:



You are mistaken. Ehyah is not the Hebrew equivalent of ego eimi. Egoo eimi are two different words while Ehyah is one word. It is drawn from hayah meaning become.

They aren't the same words, so your linking them together is not correct.

Don't being in unnecessary objection to this thread.

Ego Eimi = I am (greek)

Eh yeh = I am (hebrew)

Have you heard of Syllogism.

an instance of a form of reasoning in which a conclusion is drawn from two given or assumed propositions (premises); a common or middle term is present in the two premises but not in the conclusion, which may be invalid (e.g. all dogs are animals; all animals have four legs; therefore all dogs have four legs ).

Let's practice a little bit of syllogistic reasoning with Ego Eimi and Eh yeh.

first let's consider these numbers...

2+3 =5 ' 4+1 = 5. Could we therefore say that 2+3 = 4+1? I say yes. This is not even syllogism, it is identity recognition.

So ...

Ego Eimi = I am (greek)

Eh yeh = I am (hebrew)

Therefore Ego Eimi = Eh yeh

True or false?
Religion / Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by PastorAIO: 9:20pm
JMAN05:


No. The one that appeared to Moses came on Jehovah's name. He bore the name as if he was Jah himself. Besides Moses was not requesting the name of God. He already knows it.

It appears you have nothing more. Let's end it then.

I have plenty more, the question is whether or not you can handle it.

If the angel that appeared to Moses came in Jehovah's name then by what name did the one who came to Jacob come by.

Was he a renegade angel?

Moses was not asking god's name cos 'he already knows it', you say.

You also say Jacob was not asking god's name 'he already knows it', he was asking the angel's name.

Maybe Moses too was just asking the angel's name, abi?
Religion / Re: Atheists On Nairaland Plagiarize The Work Of Foreigners On Online Forums. by PastorAIO: 12:12pm
If the people being plagiarized were not foreigners by compatriot nigerians, would that make the plagiarization any better. You seem to find the fact that it is foreigners being plagiarized particularly offensive.



THT80:
Yesterday, I created a thread on the dilemma that atheists have to shoulder in answering questions pertaining to morality, and as a consequence of the likely outcomes of this dilemma, the potentially harmful effects it could have on the moral framework of society which is strongly tethered to religious values. As was expected, the thread was invaded by a slew of atheists whose sensitivities were hurt by the truth which I did my best to present in an articulate fashion, and they tried all they could to refute my arguments, but failed woefully.

As I tried my best to muster enough interest to continue engaging in what I felt was a diasapointing showcase, given that I was responding repeatedly to weak arguments and subsequent weaker arguments from over five different people, most of which were clutching at straws and conveniently dancing around every question I threw at them, I had the misfortune of reading the argument of a fellow who went by the username hopefulLandlord; a username that I felt embodied and reflected his deepest wish.
As I read his argument in response to mine, it struck me as a bit off. Not only was the phraseology and sentence structure different and more sophisticated than the one in his previous comments, the post was strewn with more logic and rationality than in all of the posts I had been laboriously trying to refute. I immediately realised that this wall of text couldn't have been written by hopefulLandlord. This was proven to be true after I accused him of plagiarising online posts only for him to implicitly deny, and moments later, be proven to be culpable of the act which he was denying.

Below is a link to the post he plagiarized and the comments that followed that led to his being caught.

http://www.nairaland.com/4113374/moral-dilemma-makes-atheism-unwise

After realizing how much of a waste of time it was for me to take the pain of replying to comments that were borrowed from smarter people, I abandoned the debate and channeled my time into something more productive.

Fast forward to this morning, I was exploring the threads on Islamic section and I came across a video by a supposed atheist who was trying to use the video as a point of emphasis to demonstrate the reason people leave Islam. After watching the video, I was genuinely interested in reading the opinions of people on the subject. I hadn't read more that five comments when I came across a comment from an atheist that went by the username donnffd. His comment bore a lot of resemblance to the one plagiarised by hopefulandlord as it bespoke of the intelligence and rationality of the writer, a quality that I have come to notice is nonexistent in most of the atheists that I encountered since joining this forum. So guided by curiousity, I copied a sentence from his post and uploaded it on the search box on google and clicked on the search icon. The search results were astonishing. Right on the top of the search results was a link to a website that had among it's posts, the exact replica of donnffd's comment. I mean verbatim. I was shocked. How could I have witnessed plagiarism of this sort twice in the space of 24 hours?

Below is the link to donnffd's post.

http://www.nairaland.com/3249077/why-people-leave-islam-spoken

Below is a link to the post he plagiarized.

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx

My experience left me with certain opinions which I believe will be reinforced if I take the time to examine the posts of other atheists. It's quite appalling that people who pride themselves as the gate keepers of reason and rationality, display, demonstrably, the opposite. How unintelligent and shameless can you be to use the exact comments of foreigners to reply to a thread created in a forum designed by a citizen of your country and populated by denizens of your country? I mean these dudes weren't even smart enough to at least paraphrase the posts they plagiarized.

With a heavy heart I have to say that my beliefs and opinions are starting to gravitate towards stereotypical notions surrounding the inferiority of black Africans relative to intelligence and creativity. If we borrowed the religion and cultures of other races and geographical groups, at the detriment of ours, must we also borrow their arguments verbatim?
It's quite a shame that with all the access to knowledge and tools for self development that technology has provided us, presumably educated men can't formulate their ideas with their own words.

And what's more annoying is the arrogance and extremely outsized degree of self conceit these atheists exhibit. How can people who allude to being more intelligent and more rational than theists by reason of their unique critical thinking skills, not be able to express themselves with their own words and their own independent ideas? I can't overemphasize how much of a disappointment this is. I don't think people like this should be taken seriously by anyone.
Religion / Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by PastorAIO: 4:43pm On Oct 16
JMAN05:


The situation in that verse is different.

1. Israelites were not under any captivity

2. Jacob already knew Gods name. See verse 9. He wrestling was with an angel obviously. So he was asking the Angel's name. He already knows Gods name.


1.Please you'll have to tell me what captivity has to do with God's name. Does it change when you're not in captivity to another form when you are in captivity?

2. They were all angels.

2And the angel of the Lord appeared to him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush. He looked, and behold, the bush was burning, yet it was not consumed. Exodus 3

The burning bush was an angel (Moses), the wrestler was an angel (Jacob).
Religion / Re: OAP Freeze's Biblical Misinformation On Collection Of Tithes by PastorAIO: 12:58pm On Oct 16
And what exactly did Abraham and his entourage do with the Tithe that they gave to Melchizedek?


Let me give a hint:

24I will take nothing but what the young men have eaten, and the share of the men who went with me. Let Aner, Eshcol, and Mamre take their share.”
Genesis 14

Hmmm, so the men ate the tithe. Just like the Israelites were commanded to eat their tithe. I'm sure that they also ate of the bread and wine that Melchizedek brought. So all around I can imagine much feasting and merriment.
Celebrities / Re: Fela Kuti's 79th Posthumous Birthday Is Today. Post Your Favourite Lyrics, Quote by PastorAIO: 11:45am On Oct 16
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Ice cream exhibit
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Religion / Re: Des Pensees by PastorAIO: 3:37pm On Oct 12
Sarassin:
Hi PastorAIO, going solely by the title of your thread I take a leap in the dark and venture to say that I see your leanings as more of a modern day rationalist in the mold of Spinoza and Descartes. I know that Spinoza posited that God is the only absolute substance and that substance was composed of two attributes, thought and extension, I believe he went on to say that God could only be comprehended through reason.

Would this be a fair reflection of your religious beliefs?

I like Spinoza and Descartes, but I'm not in agreement with their division of attributes into Thoughts and Extensions. I think that they've treated the matter of Thoughts far too superficially. Also the matter of bodies as extensions.

Sensory Experience is not limited to extended bodies. They seem to take bodies as they only objects of sensory perception, I disagree. We can also perceive objects like, for instance, Melody. A melody is an object that we perceive and recognise by it's various distinctive attributes. However it is not a body extended in space. Therefore, not all objects are bodies. Non corporal objects exist that have their own distinctive structures.
Religion / Re: Des Pensees by PastorAIO: 1:26pm On Oct 12
Deepak Chopra, a case study


For a while now I have noticed a funny cat and mouse dance between religious leaders and Science and I've wondered at it. After some thought I've come to the following conclusions...

1) Humans are genetically inclined to receive certain information on Trust from certain sources that are recognised as Authorities. As babies we see our parents as authorities and accept what they tell us unquestioningly. This is necessary for the species because plenty of cultural information (much of it needed for survival) is downloaded into children quickly thanks to trust which would not be learned quickly enough if the child had to assess and weigh each information before believing it.

2) Other Authorities besides are parents include religious Authorities. Religious Authorities have enjoyed a long run of unquestioned Trust for many many centuries.

3)With the Scientific Revolution in Europe, a lot of Authority was wrested away from the Church and Religion in general and reposed in the Scientific community. It was a long hard fought battle but today people Trust Science a lot more than they Trust religious authorities.

4) There is a seething jealousy that is so palpable you could cut it with a knife that Religious authorities feel towards Scientific Authorities.
It is expressed in one of two ways. a) They try to denigrate Science and Scientific Authority. or b) They try to mimic and adopt scientific expressions in the hope of having Scientific authority rub off on them.

5) So you sometimes hear things like, 'Oh, but it is JUST a theory'. Just a theory!!? shocked Theory of Gravity is 'just a theory' but it's done more for humanity than most other beliefs we've had. How pathetic!

6)But the most insidious is when they try to co-opt Scientific authority to support some dubious belief or the other. Like claims that they've found scientific evidence to prove the flood occurred, or they've found Noah's ark etc etc etc.

7) Deepak Chopra is probably the world's number one fake assed dubious user of scientific jargon to support some fake assed mysticism. The truth is I think that He just picks soundbites from Science and from Eastern mysticism and joins them together to sell books, but he is fake in both disciplines.



PastorAIO:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0E99BdOfxAE
Religion / Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by PastorAIO: 1:06pm On Oct 12
MuttleyLaff:
God said it already that He did all those as El-Shaddai aka God Almighty

Two words, in a way that arouses curiosity or interest, were used in Exodus 6:3.
They are "appeared" and "revealed"

The question was simple. What did he do as Yahweh that was Greater than what he did as El Shaddai?

Wouldnt you like to know, ha-ha-haaah

Ah! You don't know!! no wahala.

Interestingly, "reveal my name, Yahweh, to them" is about making the important information known, especially one of a personal nature,
where God is going to do whatever it is and/or that's necessary, to free the Israelites
or where God, embarking on freeing the Israelites and bringing them to Canaan
is showing the willingness to be whatever it will take God to be, in having the Israelites free and brought to Canaan.

That is the essense of the meaning of YHWH,
I will exist because I will exist, I exist because I exist, I Am who I Am, I will be who I will be, I Am who I Am, I am that which exist etcetera

Lolololol!! Alawada Oshi!!

From simple I am that I am you are now extrapolating to I will have to be whatever is necessary for me to have to be.

You have now reduced your god to something that is subject to necessity.

http://metaphysicist.com/problems/necessity/

Of course, I recognised that to be true for a long time now and that is why I know that that egregore that you worship is not the true Divinity.
Religion / Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by PastorAIO: 12:57pm On Oct 12
JMAN05:


No, it is not a clear evidence that the book was not written by Moses. I hate it when people try to force there opinion on where there isn't any evidence. Let chap 34 be the issue here while I research on that.

You can research all you like, but once you can admit that Chapter 34 was not written by moses, and chapter 34 is a part of the torah, then it follows that the Torah, in it's entirety, was not written by Moses.

Very simple, really. And it's not a matter of opinion, it is a glaring fact.
Religion / Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by PastorAIO: 12:54pm On Oct 12
JMAN05:


But you stated "writings". Don't make it sound as if all moses writings are questionable.


The point is simple. We know that Chapter34 was not written by Moses. Chapter 34 is part of the Torah. So therefore the Torah, at least in it's entirety, was not all written by moses. Some redaction has taken place and Chapter 34 is a glaring example of that.
Religion / Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by PastorAIO: 12:52pm On Oct 12
JMAN05:


Flooding the whole earth was Abraham Isaac and Jacob there when it happened? Were they there when languages were scattered? An old woman bear a child was not a miracle Isaac and Jacob saw.

Again all those performances were little compared to what God did in the view of many Israelites. I don't know what u are up against honestly.

Oh, you want to stick to just Abraham Isaac and Jacob even though the bible says that people started calling the name Jehovah from the time that Seth gave birth to Enosh. Genesis 4: 26

So what happened, they knew the name of Jehovah from the time of Seth but then they had forgotten by the time of Abraham (or what).

Please tell me the Miracle that yhwh performed in egypt that was greater than what he did in Genesis 19 when he rained down fire and sulphur from heaven to come and destroy 2 whole cities and all the surrounding valleys. This was even in the lifetime of Abraham sef.

Further more how did the miracles in egypt reveal the meaning of the name Jahweh (I am who I am)?
Religion / Re: Des Pensees by PastorAIO: 9:10am On Oct 09
Religion / Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by PastorAIO: 9:08am On Oct 09
JMAN05:





In response to "this day", you stated this. Now, your position that Moses had died before the writing of the Torah is without logical proof, you can only make a case on chapter 34. Now stating that the writing[b]s[/b] were redacted or added to as in the Torah is hilarious. If your point is not on chapter 34 alone, then you are set on a default. What are the proofs?

Is chapter 34 not a part of the Torah again?
Religion / Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by PastorAIO: 9:05am On Oct 09
JMAN05:


I just wonder where all these are coming from. You stated that the books attributed to Moses were not written by him. You stated that they were written after his demise. I came to point out the mistake in which your view was based.

There is no mistake on which my view is based. The fact that Moses' death was reported in chapter 34 is clear evidence that the book was not written by Moses.
Perhaps it was based on writing by Moses in part but the book as we have it was BOT written by Moses.

Unless you want to argue that chapter 34 is not a part of the Torah.
Religion / Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by PastorAIO: 9:01am On Oct 09
JMAN05:


From the time Moses appeared before pharaoh till he led them to the wilderness before his death, tell me that all such miracles had been performed before Gods servants prior to Moses. So you need references?

I don't need references. I asked a question which was two fold.

1. What great acts did Yahweh do that he didn't do the like of before moses. What did he do in Egypt that was greater than flooding the whole world with water? What did he do that was greater than confounding the language of the whole world. What did he do that was more than making a geriatric woman bear a child? What did he do that was greater than destroying two great cities with a fire from heaven?

2. How did the acts subsequent to meeting Moses reflect the meaning of his name 'I Am who I am'?
Religion / Re: The Top 10 Lies About Atheism By Nigerians by PastorAIO: 10:24pm On Oct 08
Deicide:

Lol this is a common joke among religious people na and so many misconceptions with it grin surprise you don't know about it

Yes I know the joke however I think it is significant that filmmakers feel motivated to spend their resources dramatising it. Why are they bothered? I think that whatever is going down in nollywood etc is an I
Portent marker of the state of wider Nigerian society.
Religion / Re: Des Pensees by PastorAIO: 2:34pm On Oct 08
AgentOfAllah:


Lobotomise?
A while back, someone started a thread extolling the excellent qualities of paradise that good Christians should look forward to. Some of these ranged from the ridiculously ostentatious, like single dweller mansions bigger than the most opulent mansion on earth (who needs that?), to the simply ridiculous, like roads made of gold (how will golden roads enhance movement, especially since dwellers will presumably acquire the gift of flight/teleportation?). Anyway, what really did catch my attention was the person's claim that all our needs, in other words, urges, will be spontaneously granted, with the exception of sex because we wouldn't even possess such an urge anymore. Though I fail to recall the person mentioning these, I assume also, that dwellers would lose their urges to s.hit, p.iss, sneeze and what not...but anyway, I digress!

The person claimed thus; that dwellers will always feel fully gratified in paradise, even though god has effectively eliminated some of the fantastically gratifying urges of their yesterlives. They will be in a state of perpetual equanimity, if you will! The insight I got from this 'eye witness' account of heaven was revolting. It seemed less like a gratification of urges and more, a maleficent zombification of devotees. This person's god would effectively perform partial lobotomy on its believers in order to keep them fully gratified. I don't know about the lucky inhabitants of that heaven, but I know earthly human nature tends towards more, not less experiences. If there were something within me that could perish my many urges, even the mutually antagonistic ones, I'd kill that thing before it kills my urges. In a sense, aren't we defined by these peculiar urges? I only draw a line at the ones that are evidently harmful to myself and other people. I don't want my many urges on a leash ever, but maybe mine is just the rambling of a man content in his storm...turmoil...turbulence...madness?

At any rate, lobotomy seems a perfectly capable means through which perpetual equanimity may be attained, this mad man thinks. Then, you can really say your urges are restrained...that is, if you even feel the urge to say anything afterwards!

Am I mad, Pastor?

You're getting there but I believe that you have a quite some way to go before you become as stark raving mad as I am.

What if that thing that could quell your other urges was itself an urge whereby you won't feel contentment until you connect with it. Yet once you do all your other urges like a wild beast that has been tamed will become like plasticene in your hands. To shape and do with as you will.

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Religion / Re: The Top 10 Lies About Atheism By Nigerians by PastorAIO: 10:39am On Oct 08
hopefulLandlord:


that's interesting, can you give me the title of these Nolly movies?

Here is something else I've just found in Facebook


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNi17azOhjc
Religion / Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by PastorAIO: 2:12pm On Oct 07
truthislight:


Early Use of the Name and Its Meaning are often misapplied to mean that Jehovah’s name
was first revealed to Moses sometime prior to the Exodus
from Egypt. True, Moses raised the question: “Suppose I
am now come to the sons of Israel and I do say to them,
‘The God of your forefathers has sent me to you,’ and they
do say to me, ‘What is his name?’ What shall I say to
them?” But this does not mean that he or the Israelites did
not know Jehovah’s name. The very name of Moses’
mother Jochebed means, possibly, “Jehovah Is Glory.” (
) Moses’ question likely was related to the
circumstances in which the sons of Israel found themselves.
They had been in hard slavery for many decades with no
sign of any relief. Doubt, discouragement, and weakness of
faith in God’s power and purpose to deliver them had very
likely
infiltrated their ranks. (Note also .) For
Moses simply to say he came in the name of
“God” (ʼElo·himʹ ) or the “Sovereign Lord” (ʼAdho·naiʹ )
therefore might not have meant much to the suffering
Israelites. They knew the Egyptians had their own gods and
lords and doubtless heard taunts from the Egyptians that
their gods were superior to the God of the Israelites.
Then, too, we must keep in mind that names then had real
meaning and were not just “labels” to identify an individual
as today. Moses knew that Abram’s name (meaning
“Father Is High (Exalted)”) was changed to Abraham
(meaning “Father of a Crowd (Multitude)”), the change
being made because of God’s purpose concerning
Abraham. So, too, the name of Sarai was changed to Sarah
and that of Jacob to Israel; in each case the change
revealed something fundamental and prophetic about God’s
purpose concerning them. Moses may well have wondered
if Jehovah would now reveal himself under some new(?) name
to throw light on his purpose toward Israel. Moses’ going
to the Israelites in the “name” of the One who sent him
meant being the representative of that One, and the
greatness of the authority with which Moses would speak
would be determined by or be commensurate with that
name and what it represented. (Compare
.) So, Moses’ question was a meaningful one.
God’s reply in Hebrew was: ʼEh·yehʹ ʼAsherʹ ʼEh·yehʹ. Some
translations render this as “I AM THAT I AM.” However, it is
to be noted that the Hebrew verb ha·yahʹ, from which the
word ʼEh·yehʹ is drawn, does not mean simply “be.” Rather,
it means “become,” or “prove to be.” The reference here is
not to God’s self-existence but to what he has in mind to
become toward others. Therefore, the New World
Translation properly renders the above Hebrew expression
as “I SHALL PROVE TO BE WHAT I SHALL PROVE TO BE.”
Jehovah thereafter added: “This is what you are to say to
the sons of Israel, ‘I SHALL PROVE TO BE has sent me to
you.’”— , ftn.
That this meant no change in God’s name, but only an
additional insight into God’s personality, is seen from his
further words: “This is what you are to say to the sons of
Israel, ‘Jehovah the God of your forefathers, the God of
Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob, has sent
me to you.’ This is my name to time indefinite, and this is
the memorial of me to generation after generation.” (
; compare .) The name Jehovah
comes from a Hebrew verb that means “to become,” and a
number of scholars suggest that the name means “He
Causes to Become.” This definition well fits Jehovah’s role
as the Creator of all things and the Fulfiller of his purpose.
Only the true God could rightly and authentically bear such
a name.
This aids one in understanding the sense of Jehovah’s later
statement to Moses: “I am Jehovah. And I used to appear
to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as God Almighty, but as
respects my name Jehovah I did not make myself known to
them.” ( ) Since the name Jehovah was used many
times by those patriarchal ancestors of Moses, it is evident
that God meant that he manifested himself to them in the
capacity of Jehovah only in a limited way. To illustrate this,
those who had known the man Abram could hardly be said
to have really known him as Abraham (meaning “Father of a
Crowd (Multitude)”) while he had but one son, Ishmael.
When Isaac and other sons were born and began producing
offspring, the name Abraham took on greater meaning or
import. So, too, the name Jehovah would now take on
expanded meaning for the Israelites.
To “know,” therefore, does not necessarily mean merely to
be acquainted with or cognizant of something or someone.
The foolish Nabal knew David’s name but still asked, “Who
is David?” in the sense of asking, “What does he amount
to?” ( ; compare .) So, too, Pharaoh
had said to Moses: “Who is Jehovah, so that I should obey
his voice to send Israel away? I do not know Jehovah at all
and, what is more, I am not going to send Israel away.” (
) By that, Pharaoh evidently meant that he did not
know Jehovah as the true God or as having any authority
over Egypt’s king and his affairs, nor as having any might
to enforce His will as announced by Moses and Aaron. But
now Pharaoh and all Egypt, along with the Israelites, would
come to know the real meaning of that name, the person it
represented. As Jehovah showed Moses, this would result
from God’s carrying out His purpose toward Israel,
liberating them, giving them the Promised Land, and thereby
fulfilling His covenant with their forefathers. In this way, as
God said, “You will certainly know that I am Jehovah your
God.”— ; see ALMIGHTY .
Professor of Hebrew D. H. Weir therefore rightly says that
those who claim marks the first time the
name Jehovah was revealed, “have not studied [these
verses] in the light of other scriptures; otherwise they would
have perceived that by name must be meant here not the
two syllables which make up the word Jehovah, but the
idea which it expresses. When we read in ,
‘Therefore my people shall know my name;’ or in
, ‘They shall know that my name is Jehovah;’ or
in the Psalms, ], ‘They that know thy name
shall put their trust in thee;’ we see at once that to know
Jehovah’s name is something very different from knowing
the four letters of which it is composed. It is to know by
experience that Jehovah rea

Please address the parts that I bolded and highlighted in red. They are the basis of this interpretation and they are all obviously speculations.

Moses’ question likely was related to the
circumstances in which the sons of Israel found themselves.

Really? What about when Jacob asked the very same question?

29 Then Jacob asked him, “Please tell me your name.” But he said, “Why is it that you ask my name?” And there he blessed him.
Genesis 32

What were the circumstances of Israel when Jacob asked that same question? What about the fact that in those ancient times to know the name of a god was considered as having the power to summon the god?

Now the Majesty of Ra was the creator of heaven and earth, of gods, men, and cattle, of fire, and the breath of life; and he ruled over gods and men. And Isis saw his might, the might that reached over heaven and earth, before which all gods and men bowed; and she longed in her heart for that power, that thereby she should be greater than the gods and have dominion over men.

There was but one way to obtain that power. By the knowledge of his own name did Ra rule, and none but himself knew that secret name. Whosoever could learn the secret, to that one—god or man—would belong the dominion over all the world, and even Ra himself must be in subjection. Jealously did Ra guard his secret, and kept it ever in his breast, lest it should be taken from him, and his power diminished.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/egy/ael/ael13.htm


A true name is a name of a thing or being that expresses, or is somehow identical to, its true nature. The notion that language, or some specific sacred language, refers to things by their true names has been central to philosophical study as well as various traditions of magic, religious invocation and mysticism (mantras) since antiquity.
The ancient Jews considered God's true name so potent that its invocation conferred upon the speaker tremendous power over His creations. To prevent abuse of this power, as well as to avoid blasphemy, the name of God was always taboo, and increasingly disused so that by the time of Jesus their High Priest was supposedly the only individual who spoke it aloud — and then only in the Holy of Holies upon the Day of Atonement.[5]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/True_name

These are facts about the attitude of ancient people to names. Even in yoruba till this day they believe that if you can know the true Oriki of an object you will access all the powers inherent in the objects. These names form the incantations which are used to prepare herbs and various objects for various uses.

Now if the people of Israel already knew the name 'Jehovah' and Moses was told to tell them that 'jehovah' sent him then what a nonsense to say that Elohim or Adonai 'would not have meant much to them'. It wouldn't have meant anymore or anyless than Jehovah which they knew a long time already.


Yet in all this you haven't demonstrated how Jehovah changed after he revealed his name to Moses. What did he do thereafter that he hadn't done before. Did he kill more people than he killed in the flood? Did he confuse the languages of the Whole world tenfold? Did he make a barren woman have children, like Sarah? What exactly did he do that reflects the name Jehovah that he hadn't done before?


Now, on the name Jehovah, your write up now demonstrates a willingness to go against the entirety of Theology just to wriggle out of this tight spot.
You have now resorted to making God a temporal Creature. Subject to time like everything else. you changed 'I Am' to 'I am becoming'. Either the writer is theologically and philosophically daft or he is just trying to be disingenuous. Talkng about the relation of the verb Ehyer to Hayah. These are just tenses. They are related the same way Running is related to Ran, or Will Run. Past tense, present tense, future tense, Present continuous.... etc.

That is not the idea that the name represents to Jews, certainly not to Jesus. To become means that you are evolving. You become what you were not yesterday. I become great means that I wasn't great before. Becoming occurs in time/temporally so in order for Jehovah to become he has to be subject to Time. This idea transcends the Hebrew language and can be translated into other languages ( so there is no hiding behind any fake hebrew ha'yah, which is actually the past tense ). In fact it is translated to Greek in the New Testament.

Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
John 8:58

'I am' in Greek is Ego Eimi. Jesus did not say before Abraham I am becoming. The idea is that he transcends time, this is Jesus' understanding of the name of God but then if you feel you know more than Jesus in this matter I cannot hold you.

The joke inside is that some people like Muttleylaff who isn't even a JW will jump on the bandwagon because he thinks that it is a way out of the cesspit that he has dug himself into.

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Religion / Re: Des Pensees by PastorAIO: 12:16pm On Oct 07
Geist:
PastorAIO hope you have not forgotten followers whom you left in suspense. I would also ask that you be kind enough to not only touch on whom or what God is to you but also on your own proof for it's existence.

This will be difficult but I'll try at some point.
Religion / Re: Des Pensees by PastorAIO: 12:15pm On Oct 07
I’d like to start with what we can say we know incontrovertibly. We find ourselves experiencing this world both as an external phenomenon and internally.

What we can say for sure is that there is Experience.

What is it that we experience? I would say that our topmost and most relevant experiences are of our Urges. We all experience different Urges. The Urge to have Sex. The Urge for Shelter. The Urge to be recognized as a ‘somebody’ in Society.

We are beset on all sides by Urges and they toss us to and fro like winds of a storm at sea.

Part of our experience is the sense that our awareness is only partial and there are vast swathes of the universe of possibilities that we are not fully aware of. Further more these unknown possibilities can suddenly emerge into our awareness and we may or may not like it when it does.


These urges form the basis of our emotional lives. If any of our Urges are gratified then we can feel happiness, joy, relief etc.
If any of our Urges are not gratified we can feel frustration, angst, anger, sadness etc..

It would seem that the key to happiness is the gratification of our basic Urges.

However things are not so simple cos a lot of the time these Urges are contradictory. The boy that wants to go out and play football also at the same time might really yearn to pass his exam to get into university. These two Urges are at odds. Which one should he seek to gratify?


So these Urges toss us back and forth as in a storm and we are confused. We think we want something but once we get it we realize that we didn’t really want it that much anyway. Etc etc etc..

Is there a course that we can pursue that can put all these raging Urges to rest? Something that can say to the Storm, ‘Peace, Be Still’, and all the turmoil will come to rest. Is there something within us that is lying dormant, that we can awaken. ‘Wake up na, Can you not see that we are perishing?’, and when it awakens it puts an harness on all the turbulent Urges that batter us from all sides?

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Religion / Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by PastorAIO: 4:12pm On Oct 05
JMAN05:


You mean chapter 34?



Am not sure you read that article well.

Unless I mistakenly read all the parts of the article where arguments were built on 'possibly', 'likely' and 'might'. Were those words not used to present the points on which the argument is based.



you mean chapter 34

No, I mean the claim that the bible was never redacted or revised. In chapter 34 we see a clear example which you have admitted where an addition was made to an orginal text.
Religion / Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by PastorAIO: 4:08pm On Oct 05
JMAN05:


That isn't a thoughtful question. Any person conversant with the scriptures will know what great miracle God perform when Moses started taken the lead.

So what were the great miracles that were performed that weren't performed before Moses? And how did those miracles express the idea of 'Eheieh' , ie 'I Am'.
Religion / Re: Reasons Why I Know Obama Is Not A Christian by PastorAIO: 11:52am On Oct 05
Wow I've just been lead to this old post where someone is lashing out at me for being around in a thread when Jesus was called a bastard. This is how pained and troubled some folks are that they just lash out stupidly. If I was present at the thread and they saw me were they not present too. So it must be there fault too that Jesus was called a bastard. lol.


Enigma:


Let everybody make of and do with Wikipedia what they prefer.





The religion forum used to be like that in the early days ---- and I have said this before e.g. here http://www.nairaland.com/849403/45-questions-skeptics-ask-christians#9997369

There is also no question that some came on the scene claiming to be "intellectuals" etc and to a considerable extent they are responsible for making the religion section what it has become.




No one, at least not me, has ever prevented anyone from discussing whatever they like at whatever level. It is up to each individual to decide whether it is worth his/her while to get involved. One thing I know is that many of the self-acclaimed "intellectuals" seem to suggest that they know it all when quite often we can see that they are simply, erm "bloviating" (thanks to davidylan). People discuss issues as if they are experts when we can often tell that they have not even read 1/10 of the scholarship on the subject.





Well, here the only thing you have going for you is your stated intended change of attitude. This thread itself is a good example of my point on this. Who started the sneering and jibing? Who first maligned another's "intellectual capacity"? Only it turns out that the maligned were actually the more knowledgeable. The very point is that some were going on as though they had all the knowledge and the others had no brain cells etc Is that an atmosphere for everyone to bring their own opinions to the table?




There is "criticism" and there is idiocy.

When someone says that "Jesus was a bastard" for example you can call it "criticism" if you like, just recognise that others are also free and entitled to see it differently.

cool
Religion / Re: Des Pensees by PastorAIO: 5:53pm On Oct 04
LoJ:
Let me settle here too. It's gonna be a nice read. smiley

na How much a plot of land for here? cheesy

Free hand outs under a new government scheme. First come first serve.
Religion / Des Pensees by PastorAIO: 12:12pm On Oct 04
Out of admiration for the thread by Joseph1013 called My Thoughts And Questions, http://www.nairaland.com/2045070/thoughts-questions-religion, I would like to start my own thread where I can download my perception on various issues without having my thoughts scattered from thread to thread. This way I don't have to comment on too many other threads but can just keep all my activities limited to one thread, things will be easier to find that way.

I won't start today, but let me just open the thread for now.

a bientot....

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Religion / Re: The Top 10 Lies About Atheism By Nigerians by PastorAIO: 11:56am On Oct 04
hopefulLandlord:


that's interesting, can you give me the title of these Nolly movies?

Sorry, I only catch them half way through when I'm at the barbers or somewhere. I don't actually sit down and watch them.
Religion / Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by PastorAIO: 11:55am On Oct 04
PastorAIO:


Yes, and also of note is the use of the phrase 'to this day'. This suggested that at least that part was written many many years after moses passed.
This is evidence that the books were added to and redacted over the centuries

JMAN05:


I wouldn't state that with certainty. "To this day" could be after a month, not necessarily years. That would be adding what you don't know if you ask me.


Whether it was months or years doesn't really change the point that the writings were added to and redacted.

You wouldn't say that with certainty. Neither have I said that with certainty. I said that It 'suggests that ... '.

In fact you have said nothing with certainty and I've noticed that for quite a while now. It is a technique commonly used by conspiracy theorists.

Your posts are littered with phrases like ...

JMAN05:


Early Use of the Name and Its Meaning. Exodus 3:13-16 and 6:3 are often misapplied to mean that Jehovah’s name was first revealed to Moses sometime prior to the Exodus from Egypt. True, Moses raised the question: “Suppose I am now come to the sons of Israel and I do say to them, ‘The God of your forefathers has sent me to you,’ and they do say to me, ‘What is his name?’ What shall I say to them?” But this does not mean that he or the Israelites did not know Jehovah’s name. The very name of Moses’ mother Jochebed means, possibly, “Jehovah Is Glory.” (Ex 6:20) Moses’ question likely was related to the circumstances in which the sons of Israel found themselves. They had been in hard slavery for many decades with no sign of any relief. Doubt, discouragement, and weakness of faith in God’s power and purpose to deliver them had very likely infiltrated their ranks. (Note also Eze 20:7, 8.) For Moses simply to say he came in the name of “God” (ʼElo·himʹ) or the “Sovereign Lord” (ʼAdho·naiʹ) therefore might not have meant much to the suffering Israelites. They knew the Egyptians had their own gods and lords and doubtless heard taunts from the Egyptians that their gods were superior to the God of the Israelites.

Then, too, we must keep in mind that names then had real meaning and were not just “labels” to identify an individual as today. Moses knew that Abram’s name (meaning “Father Is High (Exalted)”) was changed to Abraham (meaning “Father of a Crowd (Multitude)”), the change being made because of God’s purpose concerning Abraham. So, too, the name of Sarai was changed to Sarah and that of Jacob to Israel; in each case the change revealed something fundamental and prophetic about God’s purpose concerning them. Moses may well have wondered if Jehovah would now reveal himself under some new name to throw light on his purpose toward Israel. Moses’ going to the Israelites in the “name” of the One who sent him meant being the representative of that One, and the greatness of the authority with which Moses would speak would be determined by or be commensurate with that name and what it represented. (Compare Ex 23:20, 21; 1Sa 17:45.) So, Moses’ question was a meaningful one.... (Pls follow this link to get details - https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200002391?q=divine+name&p=par)

Rather than building an argument with certain facts the argument above is built with 'maybes', 'likely', 'may well', 'possibly' etc etc etc. And then from that it jumps to a definite conclusion.

Go and buy any wacky conspiracy theory book and notice the same style of argument. 'Maybe the aliens came', and 'Maybe the Aztecs were there', and then 'Possibly there was global communication' and then 'we can't fully rule out the existence of fairies' and then they take all the maybes and possibilities ( no matter how far stretched) and jumped the the firm conclusion that ALIENS CREATED HUMANS. qed.
Religion / Re: The Top 10 Lies About Atheism By Nigerians by PastorAIO: 11:38am On Oct 04
Atheism has really landed in Nigeria o! I just got back yesterday and was amazed. How do I know that it is having a big cultural impact? Well because they are starting to make Nollywood films with atheist characters in them. The Atheists are always the bad guys though.
Religion / Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by PastorAIO: 1:14am On Oct 04
truthislight:





"Professor of Hebrew D. H. Weir therefore rightly says that
those who claim (Exodus6:2,3) marks the first time the
name Jehovah was revealed, “have not studied [these
verses] in the light of other scriptures; otherwise they would
have perceived that by name must be meant here not the
two syllables which make up the word Jehovah, but the
idea which it expresses."

So what idea did yhwh express after meeting Moses that he didn't express before then that was a full expression of the name YHWH , I Am.
Religion / Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by PastorAIO: 3:55pm On Sep 29
JMAN05:


Which shows that the name Yahweh was not the discussion. They knew it then. Moses was evidently concerned about the assurance that this God will live up to His words. Yahweh was then showing that the full meaning of the name was going to be shown in action.

This will help: https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200002391?q=exodus+3%3A14&p=par

So what acts did yhwh do after meeting Moses that he didn't do before then that was a full expression of the name YHWH , I Am.

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