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|Religion / Re: There Is A First Time For Everything by PastorAIO: 10:18pm On Aug 31|
You know that!!! It feels like he was the paragon of intelligence compared to these other guys. Who would have ever thought that I'd miss him so badly?
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|Religion / Re: Catholism Is False Religion!!! by PastorAIO: 10:16pm On Aug 31|
Okay! Let us move on with the main issue now.
Could you point me to the bible passage that talks about the distinction of Royal Law and Moses Law.
And you didn't address the fact that Exodus 20 and exodus 21 are part of one same Narrative in which Yahweh is directly addressing Moses, Not an angel as you claimed.
No, I'm not familiar with it from the bible. Can you show me where it is mentioned in the bible?
|Religion / Re: Catholism Is False Religion!!! by PastorAIO: 10:11pm On Aug 31|
Please go and find out the meaning of jargon. I suspect you think it means something else.
|Religion / Re: There Is A First Time For Everything by PastorAIO: 10:08pm On Aug 31|
oh, okay. Yeah, I do that already but every now and again I forget. The levels of stupidity he exhibits are mindboggling. And gone are the days when there were actually other intelligent christians on NL to rein him in. The Christians have given themselves wholly over to Idiocy as their only recourse to protect their positions.
|Religion / Re: There Is A First Time For Everything by PastorAIO: 9:59pm On Aug 31|
Please, how do you add someone to your ignore list on NL? I've never needed that function so badly since I've started using the internet.
|Religion / Re: Catholism Is False Religion!!! by PastorAIO: 10:23am On Aug 31|
Ol boi, I asked you for simple directions and you took me on the scenic route. I don't know why you are going on at length about all these irrelevant things. Even to the point of telling me about Pastor Chris and Rhapsody of Reality.
Abeg, make we come down again to the simple kweshion. Are you dividing to law into parts that you are bound by and parts that you abrogate? Very simple.
But luckily I had the patience to wean some paltry grains of wheat from the chaff.
I believe you've created a whole new theology for yourself with this your 'royal law' versus 'law of moses'.
I'm sorry but I'm just gonna have to stop you dead in your tracks there because it is based on a totally false foundation.
The royal law (i.e. the 10 commandments etcetera ) and the law received from the hands of angels (i.e. Moses' Law) though different from another, form the one body of commandments
I'm sorry but you are just making this up and contradicting the bible in the process.
Eye for a Eye in the law of Moses which we are discussing was not given by any angels but by Yahweh himself. It is in the very next chapter after the ten commandments are given.
Exodus Chapter 21:
It is Yahweh speaking: 1“Now these are the rules that you shall set before them.
In that chapter Yahweh speaks throughout. He continues: 23But if there is harm,d then you shall pay life for life, 24eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.
The only reason that these laws are not together with the Ten Commandments is because the children of Israel became afraid while he was giving his speech and beg him to talk only to Moses.
There is NO WHERE in the bible where you'll find any such thing as a distinction of 'royal law' and 'moses law' received from angels. At least not to my knowledge. Though I'm happy for you to enlighten me if such is the case.
It's odd that the most extra-biblically minded fellows are the ones that are most vocal in accusing the Catholic church of being extra-biblical.
I put it to you that you have cherry picked from the laws of Moses. To convince me otherwise you have to come with something stronger than what seems to me a conceited new fangled theology without biblical basis.
|Religion / Re: Reasons Why God Is Not Subject To His Own Laws ! by PastorAIO: 9:54am On Aug 31|
Can you see what I am talking about?
Full Definition of ineffable
a : incapable of being expressed in words : indescribable <ineffable joy> b : unspeakable <ineffable disgust>
: not to be uttered : taboo <the ineffable name of Jehovah>
How can one ASK an ineffable question? What is an ineffable question? The oxymoronic little rat does not even know what ineffable means.
Is "Pooh-poohing someone's argument is fallacious . " an english sentence? Or is he speaking cantonese? Or he didn't learn any grammar in school?
And then he'll congratulate himself that he's used a big word today. How is this not considered Idiotic? and why is it a crime now on Nairaland to expose such rank idiocy? I tire o!
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|Religion / There Is A First Time For Everything by PastorAIO: 9:44am On Aug 31|
There is a first time for everything. I've just experienced my first ban on NL. Apparently I broke the rules in the following post below. Most likely the fellow I was discussing with was so shaken by being called out and exposed that he ran crying to the mods and they reacted hastily without actually reading the post.
This is what I think but I realise that I may be wrong and I would like to be corrected if so. Can anyone point out what is amiss in the post quoted below:
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|Religion / Re: Astrology And Psychic Reading by PastorAIO: 8:17am On Aug 31|
Why, pray tell?
|Religion / Re: Reasons Why God Is Not Subject To His Own Laws ! by PastorAIO: 2:14pm On Aug 26|
|Religion / Re: Reasons Why God Is Not Subject To His Own Laws ! by PastorAIO: 1:58pm On Aug 26|
Una plenty!! Though I don't think I said so to UyiIredia.
**** You cannot, if you are logical, judge that somebody 'knows everything', or thinks he 'knows everthing', on the basis of a QUESTION he asked.
Someone who asks questions obviously doesn't know everything. This is basis common sense. The person who knows expounds. He doesn't ask. Can you now see how stupid you are by trying to claim that I think I know everything because I asked a question?
This is part of your failings in your attempts to impress us with an intelligence that you so patently lack. And just when we think you cannot possibly say anything more stupid than your last comment you awe and shock us with a more abysmal examples of your stupidity.
But leave that aside for now, there is one question I want to ask you.
When you wake up in the morning and you look for a new polysyllabic word to learn and use, as you have told us you do every mornning, What is your motive for learning the word, and what is your motive when you use the word?
Here are some possible reasons you might want to expand your vocabulary:
1) you hope to be better able to communicate your ideas so that people can understand you better.
In this case it helps to seek words that are in common usage so that the people being communicated with can understand.
2) You just like to be verbose in the mistaken belief that it makes you more intelligent.
3) a variation of 2, You like to be verbose in the hope that though You are indubitably stupid you hope to pull the wool over some people eyes and deceive them into thinking you have intelligence.
I believe your case is a combination of 2 and 3.
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|Religion / Re: Reasons Why God Is Not Subject To His Own Laws ! by PastorAIO: 9:11am On Aug 26|
I wonder how long it's going to take you to realise that you shouldn't take the guy seriously. He doesn't know what he's talking about or what the terms he is using mean.
|Religion / Re: Catholism Is False Religion!!! by PastorAIO: 8:56am On Aug 26|
When did I say I don't believe in God? Are you hallucinating?
Where did you mention anything about Law of Christ?
What do you mean by Law of christ?
Do you mean Love God and love your neighbour? If you do, do you realise that that law is actually in the mosaic Laws? it's called the Shema and it is the most important law in Judaism till this day. Furthermore the Pharisees already singled it out as the center of the Law long before Jesus was born. So you can't jive me that it is something that Jesus brought.
If there is another Law of Christ that you are talking about, please spit it out.
|Religion / Re: Catholism Is False Religion!!! by PastorAIO: 12:21am On Aug 26|
κατεργαζομαι do, accomplish, bring about, make ready, overcome
|Religion / Re: Catholism Is False Religion!!! by PastorAIO: 12:17am On Aug 26|
Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling,
|Religion / Re: Reasons Why God Is Not Subject To His Own Laws ! by PastorAIO: 12:31pm On Aug 25|
Another idea you missed
|Religion / Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by PastorAIO: 12:29pm On Aug 25|
In the process of writing the last post I found a webpage with quotes of Napoleon, some of which you'll like.
“Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet. Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich.”
― Napoléon Bonaparte
“History is a set of lies agreed upon.”
― Napoléon Bonaparte
“A leader is a dealer in hope.”
― Napoléon Bonaparte
“Alexander, Caesar, Charlemagne, and I have founded empires. But on what did we rest the creations of our genius? Upon force. Jesus Christ founded his empire upon love; and at this hour millions of men would die for him.”
― Napoléon Bonaparte
“You don't reason with intellectuals. You shoot them.”
― Napoléon Bonaparte, Napoleon's Memoirs
“A woman laughing is a woman conquered.”
― Napoléon Bonaparte, In the Words of Napoleon: A Collection of Quotations of Napoleon Bonaparte
“Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.”
― Napoléon Bonaparte
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|Religion / Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by PastorAIO: 12:20pm On Aug 25|
Haba! But sometimes you've just got to admit that 'luck' plays a big part in many successes. This is a fact recognised by many successful people.
There is something called the Napoleon test. Apparently he wasn't much interested in how qualified a general was or how clever he was, he would first check to see if the guy has been lucky in his life.
|Religion / Re: Reasons Why God Is Not Subject To His Own Laws ! by PastorAIO: 12:14pm On Aug 25|
He misses every idea.
|Religion / Re: Reasons Why God Is Not Subject To His Own Laws ! by PastorAIO: 11:23am On Aug 25|
.... What is his IQ?
|Religion / Re: Reasons Why God Is Not Subject To His Own Laws ! by PastorAIO: 11:14am On Aug 25|
|Religion / Re: Reasons Why God Is Not Subject To His Own Laws ! by PastorAIO: 10:25am On Aug 25|
PastorAIO:Let's play a game. We keep asking each other the same questions back and forth and see who answers first. The person who answers first has lost.
|Religion / Re: Atheism Theism Morality by PastorAIO: 8:21am On Aug 25|
When the christians in Europe used to burn witches, people look back on it now as a wicked and barbaric practise.
But what exactly was going on in the heads of these christians? What did they believe that they were doing?
Where they doing it to be wicked or nasty? Or...
It was thought that witch-hunting saved souls and averted the wrath of God by purging society of evil as the End Times loomed.http://www.catholiceducation.org/en/controversy/common-misconceptions/who-burned-the-witches.html
|Religion / Re: Atheism Theism Morality by PastorAIO: 8:11am On Aug 25|
It is obvious that people who have differing Moral values cannot live together. The choices and decisions that they make will always be at odds with each other.
If a set of people believe that the land is made great and strong by the help of certain deities and their cults then it makes sense that they will invest greatly in the requirements of this cult.
Take for instance the Imperial cult of Rome. The belief is that the practices of this cult made the Roman empire strong and preserved the empire. It follows that the care of this cult became a matter of civic duty and those who wouldn't do so were commiting treason.
Now imagine that a group of people called christians with a different worldview, a world view that told them that sacrificing in any other cult was wrong, came along. To the romans the existence of these people within their empire was very dangerous. So dangerous that it made perfect sense to persecute them and kill them. Their persecution was not just for sport, it was a matter of national (or imperial) security.
It is kinda like having a neighbour who is spoiling the environment with noise pollution. If you value peace and quiet in your neighbourhood then you must stop that neighbour from throwing nightly parties. Or make sure he packs up and leaves the area. Differing Moral systems (value systems) eventually lead to conflict. Always.
Some would say that religion should be just a personal matter between Man and his God. However that is to deny the fact that religions are of great Civic importance. It is especially at that point when its civic role is applied that we are most likely to run into conflicts.
When people believe that the weather, or the harvest, or the outcome of War, is a result of divine providence and that divine goodwill is dependent on the people as a whole conforming to a cult, then religion becomes a very important political affair.
Constantine legalised Christianity because he believed that the christian God granted him victory in battle. He forced his soldiers to print the ChiRho (original symbol for christianity before the cross) on their shields. This caused a lot of discomfort amongst his soldiers because they had their own gods and were not sure about this christian deity. He had to enforce it on them.
This was the same rationale that was behind many of the persecutions that Jewish people suffered in Europe. If anything went wrong it was because there were none christians in their midst.
|Religion / Re: Catholism Is False Religion!!! by PastorAIO: 7:36am On Aug 25|
Abeg o, my guy...
We are speaking of the law as one. I am inquiring into what it means to 'fulfill' the law. Does to fulfill the law mean to contradict it?
We are treating the law as one. Not that we will abrogate certain laws and yet hold on to certain other laws. I asked you about two different commands of the law. The first one you said that you are still bound by it.
The second one, you said 'not necessarily yes'. That means you're dividing the law and cherry picking the one that you want to follow from the one you want to abrogate.
Now the reason for my interest in this dumbassed thread is because somebody has stood up to point the finger at another. Trying to cast the catholic church in bad light, meanwhile he is just filled with hateful bias without any actual christian basis for his vile attacks. He has not basis in the bible, he has no basis in the Holy Spirit and he has no basis in the traditions of christianity handed down from the apostles.
Yet he fancies himself to be superior to catholics in some way.
That is what brought me to this thread.
There is a pattern amongst such people. I notice that they have a fondness of using certain rhetorics that they lifted off the bible, but when you quiz them on the rhetorics you'll find that they are empty vessels just making a great deal of hollow noise. Ask them to explain what the mean by those rhetorics and they'll start to chew their lips.
Anybody can repeat words that they've heard before, but not everybody can understand what he/she is talking about.
|Religion / Re: Catholism Is False Religion!!! by PastorAIO: 7:13am On Aug 25|
No you haven't.
Like I said, na yes or no answer.
Eye for an eye. Are you bound by it? Yes or no?
Don't covet your neighbours wife. Are you bound by it? Yes or no?
What do you mean by fulfill the law? Does it mean abrogate?
|Religion / Re: Reasons Why God Is Not Subject To His Own Laws ! by PastorAIO: 9:40pm On Aug 24|
Well, Me, I define Intelligence as the capability to acquire and process information.
But there must be information in order for there to be intelligence.
Since 'God' created everything we can asked 'was God intelligent before creation'?
|Religion / Re: Catholism Is False Religion!!! by PastorAIO: 9:19pm On Aug 24|
The question I asked you, Na simple yes or no question o.
You are no longer bound by the law, does that mean that you are no longer bound to 'Thou shalt not covet your neighbours wife'?
Me, If I don't understand something I ask questions. No pride.
I told you I don't understand what you're saying. I asked you to explain it, you're dancing atilogwu.
ARe you still bound to 'Thou shalt not covet your neighbours wife'?
Are you still bound to 'Eye for an Eye' or has Jesus annulled that one?
|Religion / Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by PastorAIO: 9:15am On Aug 24|
Please, what has led you to say that his mind is closed in disgust towards religion? I don't notice any particular hatred towards religion in his posts. You have made some accusations here without providing the reasons why you made those accusations.
Please can you quote for us what he said that is particularly hateful?
|Religion / Re: Catholism Is False Religion!!! by PastorAIO: 7:57am On Aug 24|
Your writings seem confused.
I asked a simple question: How is Eye for an Eye fulfilled?
You tell me that we are no longer bound by the law because of fulfilment. How does that answer my question?
So you are no longer bound by 'Eye for an Eye'. Would you say that you are no longer bound by 'Thou shalt not covet your neighbours' wives'?
My suspicion is that you don't know what you mean when you say 'fulfilled'. It is just another empty rhetoric that you use. This is a common ailment amongst many who consider themselves christians, they trip off many jargons that they don't really understand and use them liberally in the most senseless manner.
Prove me wrong. What do you mean when you say the 'Law is fulfilled'?
Does it mean that there is no need to obey the law anymore?
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|Religion / Re: Catholism Is False Religion!!! by PastorAIO: 5:40pm On Aug 23|
So how is An eye for an Eye fulfilled by walking away?
|Religion / Re: Catholism Is False Religion!!! by PastorAIO: 10:41am On Aug 23|
I want to ask this first because I think it is the most important point even though it came later:
When did YOU last eat eucharist? Is it a part of your christian life to eat eucharist?
Jesus himself uses the scripture as his sole authority but the catholic church has exalted herself above that.
Actually Jesus drew inspiration from everything around him. Including the wild life around him and even the plants.
26Look at the birds of the air: They do not sow or reap or gather into barns — and yet your Heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they?
And furthermore Jesus directly contradicted the scriptures many a time:
38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’[a] 39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also.
"Born Again" is not from pentucostal "you must worship God in truth" is also not from Pentecostal. It is evident you don't believe in Jesus if you do so you wouldn't be making jest of Jesus words.
The man said that if you are asked to explain the statement you will fail. He did not say that those words are not in the bible.
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