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Religion / Re: The Kalām Cosmological Argument by PastorAIO: 5:51pm On Apr 15
The OP presumes that the universe began to exist. I wonder what his reasons for this are.
Religion / Re: BREAKING NEWS: Joagbaje’s Miracle HIV Healing Claim Debunked by PastorAIO: 12:07pm On Apr 13
PastorKun:


Joagbaje I hope you are reading. You really need to salvage the little that is left of your filthy reputation.

Mr Kuns. You still dey. Mesef I trying to come back small by small but all I find is a desolate wasteland. I glad to see you around.
Religion / Re: What Is That Superstition That You Believed by PastorAIO: 2:31pm On Apr 12
frazak:



those are superstitions,there is difference between superstitions&belief,I don't believe in the poo dat u lose ur money wen you keep it with your left hand

Yes, and the OP asked for superstitions and I provided one superstition. Now, what is worrying you? If you don't want to talk about superstitions then why did you come to this thread?
Religion / Re: What Positive Effect Has Your Religion/belief Had In Your Life? by PastorAIO: 8:19am On Apr 12
hahn:


Well, if that is all your religion has done for you then its enough. Thanks for your contribution

hahn:

Yes, that's enough. Although, since the only benefit are from "worldly" songs, I wonder why some people are criticizing Korede Bello.

Why are you so desperate to score a point? Where did I say it was the ONLY benefit?
Religion / Re: What Is That Superstition That You Believed by PastorAIO: 5:55pm On Apr 11
frazak:



u were brainwashed by d so called "big bang" which u didn't witness

Who told you that? Where did I tell you that about my upbringing? The only thing I've mentioned here about my upbringing was that I was told that if a bird pooed on my head that means I would make money. Please don't start lying on my head.
Religion / Re: What Positive Effect Has Your Religion/belief Had In Your Life? by PastorAIO: 5:53pm On Apr 11
hahn:


Hmmm. Bros, it won't hurt if you just say what effect it has on you personally. If Ray Charles was commenting himself, that would have been a different issue

Personally it has made me dance, it has made me feel many pleasurable feelings inside me. Is that enough?
Religion / Re: What Positive Effect Has Your Religion/belief Had In Your Life? by PastorAIO: 11:12pm On Apr 10
hahn:


Very true but I know I specified about "personal" benefits

How much more personal than enjoying great music? Just because I share the benefit with other people doesn't mean its not personal.
Religion / Re: What Positive Effect Has Your Religion/belief Had In Your Life? by PastorAIO: 4:10pm On Apr 10
Many musicians and artists get to work and develop their craft because they belong to a church wherein they are nurtured. In fact a significant amount of popular music we all enjoy today is a product of Church activities. Soul music from Ray Charles until the present day has been derived directly from gospel music honed in churches.
Religion / Re: What Is That Superstition That You Believed by PastorAIO: 4:05pm On Apr 10
I was told that if a bird were to poo on my head I would make a lot of money in life. I'm still waiting for the money.
Religion / Re: What Is That Superstition That You Believed by PastorAIO: 4:04pm On Apr 10
Frazak was told when he was a child by his parents that he evolved from an ape. What an unfortunate upbringing!!
Religion / Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by PastorAIO: 11:58am On Feb 15
joseph1013:
"The liberation of women is like a vast, unfinished house. The west wing is fairly complete. Most of us who reside in this corner enjoy privileges such as the right to vote and run for office. We have access to education, and we may earn our own living if we choose to.


.........



“And while the girls in the west wing remain preoccupied with creature comforts like the shade of paint, the size of the chandeliers, and the shape of the hedges in the garden, not to mention that bothersome glass ceiling, men from the east wing claim western rooms for themselves, where they can practice eastern habits.”

Excerpt From: Hirsi Ali, Ayaan. “Nomad.” Random
House, Inc., 2010-05-06T04:00:00+00:00. iBooks.
This material may be protected by copyright.

What about the profound psychological abuses visited on women in the west wing resulting in neurosis and much unhappiness, depression and untold amounts of anxiety? No mention of that.
Religion / Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by PastorAIO: 11:54am On Feb 15
JMAN05:


What if the man thinks his actions were right since atheists have no moral code.

Who said that Atheists have no moral code?
Religion / Re: The Word 'SOUL' Is Of Which Language Origin Or Root? (your Opinion On This Pls) by PastorAIO: 7:17pm On Feb 10
truthislight:


Lol. AIO is more of For Paganism this days.

He will complain. lol.

Please explain yourself. I must first understand what you are saying before I can complain.
Religion / Re: In What Way Has This Religious Section Benefited You? by PastorAIO: 5:19pm On Feb 10
truthislight:


Lol. Mention the ones that have ran away except Your friend Enigma.

There goes one that has run away, though he was no friend of mine, rather he was a perfect example of the neurosis that inflicts many people who cling on to false beliefs. The one that surprised me though is Olaadegbu. Since this section has become dry I'm surprised to note his absence. I always used to believe that he would be the last man standing even after NL becomes a wasteland. It seems that even his doggedness has limits.
Religion / Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by PastorAIO: 1:33pm On Feb 02
TheIkoro:


A word is enough for the wise.

- Ikoro Iyineleda.

ehn, oya, reduce it to a word.
Religion / Re: My Article "Why I Left Islam" Was Deleted Because It Is Unsafe To Say The Truth by PastorAIO: 6:53pm On Feb 01
I've got an idea for Seun. Seun, if indeed you are being threatened by Islamists regarding the things posted on this website, perhaps you could try to document it. Keep a record of any letters and emails sent, or if possible audio and video recordings of meetings with these people when they are likely to threaten you.

Who knows, maybe in a couple of years time it might make a good documentary or expose´. Evidence.



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Religion / Re: Who Wrote The New Testament ? by PastorAIO: 11:19am On Jan 26
Joshthefirst:
I'm really sorry I missed this argument AIO.


It seems you're still missing it.


The bible isn't JUST a historical document, The bible isn't JUST a scientific document(it's more than those things). But it contains reliable historical and scientific data from the hands of many witnesses, and it is an accurate record of the original texts that left the hands of the original writers. More accurate than any other ancient text in the world.

Wake up, we're are passed that now. The bible is not a historical document at all, not even a scientific document. Check out what your boy Image123 said here:

i have never denied that there are seeming contradictions in the Bible. i have said that those ' contradictions' either take a little common sense to figure out or at most have no significance whatsoever in the scheme of things and in the divine perspective. There remains nothing unreliable about the Bible's account of Christ's death. We can reliably say that Jesus Christ died on the cross of calvary for our sins, and rose again for our justification. This is the greatest truth in the universe. It matters not whether He died 12:10pm or 3:58pm or from the foundation of the world. The Bible is not a coroner's report or a statistics textbook or a chronology guide. History can do well without pesky and petty details that suit the gainsayer's fancy.

If you agree with him, then I have no argument with you.

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Religion / Re: Why Are We Captivated By Nature's Beauty? by PastorAIO: 11:04am On Jan 24
plaetton:


I don't know how I can agree with that.
Terror is the when we recognize the absence or denial of beauty.


Terror is often when we find ourselves at the mercy of forces that we cannot control. Especially when those forces threaten/promise to totally engulf us and/or cause a dissolution of our ego.

Such an experience can definitely occur when one is in the presence of great overwhelming beauty.
Religion / Re: "God" Is Outside Of Space And Time... by PastorAIO: 11:07am On Jan 23
Mr Davien, I don't like how you are just blatantly ignoring me. Deze bloods you are sharing. Dairis God o! No wahala.
Religion / Re: Why Are We Captivated By Nature's Beauty? by PastorAIO: 10:32am On Jan 23
1ord:
Why do you people bother trying to open the eyes of those who have sworn not to see. Let the religious ilks continue in their arrant stupidity. There are more important things to discuss. I look forward to seeing progressive intellectual discussions on various subjects from politics to science and the humanities. Wasting brain cells on pseudo humans who have been brain washed by their European counterparts is a waste of higher conscience and learning.

I'm feeling particularly sensitive and touchy today. Are you talking about me, sir?
Religion / Re: Why Are We Captivated By Nature's Beauty? by PastorAIO: 10:31am On Jan 23
plaetton:


I don't know how I can agree with that.
Terror is the when we recognize the absence or denial of beauty.

Most things isnpire beauty from a distance, a safe distance.
Their appearance of beauty tend to take on a more terrifying posture when we get closer.
Examples are Oceans, mountains, sand dunes, the sky, the stars, even beautiful maidens, lol.

Works of art, on the other hand, present these terrifyng works of nature to us in a safe and comfortable format where they do not threaten us.

We allocate the attributes of beauty to objects of our chosing.

When was the last time you experienced an aesthetic attack while starving for food or thirsty for water ?
cheesy cheesy

Let me add again, how come those maidens tend to take a more attractive features after 2 shots of Hennessy?

How come everything seems peaceful , more colorful and larger than life after a whiff of cocaine , a puff of magic mushrooms or herbs ?

When the mind is altered, the attributes of beauty are equally altered.

Therefore, beauty is in the mind/eyes of the beholder.


It is not necessary that you agree after all as you yourself say, 'beauty is in the mind of the beholder'. Someone says the subjective experience that he calls beauty is akin to terror. I don't see how you want to argue with him/her over his/her own subjective experience. Personally I totally get what she means.

Also You seem to be unable to separate the Object of beauty from the experience of Beauty itself. We each can see beauty in different things, okay. But what is it that we experience when we say something is Beautiful, whatever it is?

Also I would make a distinction between Attraction (e.g sexual attraction) and Beauty.

Also, Beauty is not necessarily Harmony.

You were right when you said you can find beauty in anything and everything, it's just the state of mind that will allow you to see it where you see it.

Some see beauty in the aftermath of a great battle with the bodies strewn all over the field.

some see beauty in a puddle of water.

Some see beauty when they contemplate the cycles of life from birth to death to rebirth. The struggle for survival. Competition. The way Life strives against life, Life overcomes life, and Life is eventually overcome by life.

There is beauty in everything, we just don't all have the perception to see it in everything but everybody can see it in some few select things or others.
Religion / Re: Why Are We Captivated By Nature's Beauty? by PastorAIO: 8:03pm On Jan 22
PastorAIO:

Next time you think you've seen a beautiful girl don't bother to strain yourself to look closer. The disappointment can be crushing.
Religion / Re: Why Are We Captivated By Nature's Beauty? by PastorAIO: 8:02pm On Jan 22
plaetton:

Most things isnpire beauty from a distance, a safe distance.
Their appearance of beauty tend to take on a more terrifying posture when we get closer.
Examples are Oceans, mountains, sand dunes, the sky, the stars, even beautiful maidens, lol.


I see those women on the streets everyday.

Beautiful from Far
Far from Beautiful.

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Religion / Re: Why Are We Captivated By Nature's Beauty? by PastorAIO: 4:39pm On Jan 22
plaetton:
^^^
Therefore, I think beauty is better defined as the absence of fear. We see beauty when we are at comfort and ease.
A feared object can hardly ever take on the attributes of beauty.



“For beauty is nothing but the beginning of terror
which we are barely able to endure, and it amazes us so,
because it serenely disdains to destroy us.
Every angel is terrible.”


― Rainer Maria Rilke, Duino Elegies
Religion / Re: Why Are We Captivated By Nature's Beauty? by PastorAIO: 8:27pm On Jan 21
plaetton:


Yes sir.
But question remains whether beauty is a qualitative thing or a state of mind.

Is it a real graspable quality or an abstract of the mind?


I don't get the dichotomy. Why should a qualitative thing not be a state or abstract of the mind?

Perhaps you could clarify what you mean there.

Let me press on with something that might interest you and perhaps it is what you are asking me, though I'm not sure.


I do believe that the World of Experience is Dual. There is the Empirical World and there is a World of Enchantment.


To demonstrate these two worlds let me cast your mind back to something that you've perhaps experienced before. Most people have. Some people claim it hasn't happened to them before.
Do you ever remember being heartbroken? There was this cute little sweetie pie that was the apple of your eye. Then one day she told you she wasn't doing anymore. Plaetton was crushed. Plaetton was distressed. Plaetton was deflated.

Now I want you to remember your dinner that evening. Maybe you couldn't even eat that evening so let's fast forward a couple of days and you have a dinner set before you. Let's imagine it is Eba and groundnut soup.

You can recognise the texture of the Eba. You can taste the groundnut in the soup. You can taste the fish. These three things are all recognisably eba groundnut and fish. No doubt about it.
Yet there is something missing. 'sweetness' of the soup is not there. The Delight you get from feeling the lump of eba descend your throat is not there. Yet empirically you don't miss a single thing in the sensation. You feel the solidness of the lump, you recognise the taste and texture as eba. The only thing missing is the delight that usually accompanies these empirical sensations. The 'yumminess' of it.

Even sugar sef, you can taste it and empirically recognise that it is sugar and that it is sweet, yet it is sweet without a certain 'sweetness'. That certain 'sweetness' that delight belongs to the World of Enchantment. Thanks to your depression you are able to recognise that there are 2 worlds of Experience. The empirical world and the world of Enchantment which contains all the delight and zest and fervour with which you meet life every morning when you wake up.

It is certainly a qualitative thing. Enchantment adds quality to the World of experience. However can I say that it is not a subjective thing? That it doesn't occur in the mind too? I think everything occurs in the mind, both the Empirical and the Enchanted.

The fact that they can be separated demonstrates that they are two separate parallel worlds, though we usually experience them as commingled.
Religion / Re: Why Are We Captivated By Nature's Beauty? by PastorAIO: 6:45pm On Jan 20
plaetton:

But do we really see a qualitative beauty or do we just contemplate it, and then apportion it as we wish?

For example, I think and genuinely feel that my daughter is the most beauriful thing in the universe.
Is she truly so, or is it a biased judgement from my mind?

I'm trying to shift the focus away from the object of beauty and put it just on the fact of Beauty, regardless of what is considered beautiful.
Religion / Re: Why Are We Captivated By Nature's Beauty? by PastorAIO: 5:52pm On Jan 20
LordReed:


On this or some other issue?

This issue. Mostly that Art will lead to aesthetic arrest. I do not think that the only effect of beauty is Stillness. Nor that it is the function of Art (whatever that is) to effect beauty.
Religion / Re: Why Are We Captivated By Nature's Beauty? by PastorAIO: 5:50pm On Jan 20
plaetton:
The answer is encapsulated in the ancient but common saying that " Beauty is in the eyes of the Beholder ".

This simple truth implies that nothing is intrinsically beautiful on its own, otherwise, we should not be mocking gorrilas as ugly creatures.

We should wonder whether a mother gorilla sees wonderous beauty in the face of her offspring or the same fearsome ugliness that we see.

If beauty was an intrinsic quality, then we should all have the same taste and wonderment on the same objects, equally value the same aesthetic qualities in all things.
But we do not. That tells a lot about where the attributes of beauty are coming from; our minds, our cultures, our conditioning, and of course, our genetic predispositions.

No two people see the exactly hue or color in any object. Each of us sees a slightly different hue when we gaze upon any object.

But there is still beauty and there is still wonder. The question becomes not why there is intrinsic beauty in things. but why there is Beauty at all.

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Religion / Re: Why Are We Captivated By Nature's Beauty? by PastorAIO: 5:12pm On Jan 20
I hasten to add. I don't agree with Joyce in the most part.
Religion / Re: Why Are We Captivated By Nature's Beauty? by PastorAIO: 5:02pm On Jan 20
http://www.meditation24-7.com/page29/page29.html


The phrase, "Aesthetic Arrest" was first used by James Joyce in A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man.

As opposed to the totally boring idea that in meditation, you are supposed to blank your mind, James Joyce proposed a gorgeous idea: when we are in the presence of great beauty, our minds go still. Think about that for a few days. It's a radical and refreshing notion.

I would go further, and propose a sutra, a replacement sutra for the second verse of the Yoga Sutras. It could go something like this:

Attending to the beauty of the rhythms of nature, the mind enters stillness like the ocean at dawn.

Joseph Campbell helped to make the idea known, in his lectures on Joyce: "The aesthetic experience is a simple beholding of the object....you experience a radiance. You are held in aesthetic arrest." This radiance, the perception of beauty, is regarded as a communication of the hidden power behind the world, shining through some physical form..
Religion / Re: You Have Authority by PastorAIO: 8:43pm On Jan 18
Then why do we give our authority away.

We give it to others and then let them order us. Then when they push us to evil we say 'we were only following orders'. isn't that a lame excuse. Who said you had to follow orders without making an executive decision for yourself on what to do. You are the CEO of your own life. The Chief Executive.

Orikinla:
Your Daily Iconic Moments.
You have authority.



Saturday, January 17th, 2015.

I remember the story of a maximum ruler who once lost control of his horse and the horse would have thrown him down but for the intervention of an army Sergeant who quickly caught hold of the horse's reins and steadied the horse.

As soon as the Sergeant steadied the horse, the maximum ruler came down and turned towards the sergeant, "Thank you Major." Instantly the sergeant was promoted to a major all because the maximum ruler said so. That was authority being put to use.

"You will also declare a thing, And it will be established for you; So light will shine on your ways." Job 22:28

You also have authority and your authority was given to you by Jesus Christ. This simply means whatever and whoever obeys Jesus Christ is meant to obey you too based on your delegated authority.

But if you remain silent, how will you wield your authority? If you allow your mouth to remain in stitches, you will only have yourself to blame. Everything around you is waiting for the word of your command. Speak to the day and everything around you.

Action Plan:- Are you putting your God given authority to use?

Declaration:- All things are under my feet, I am in control of my destiny. 2015 is my year of Recognition. I declare that everywhere I have been overlooked, I will be remembered this year.

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Religion / Re: Where Is The Garden Of Eden? by PastorAIO: 5:39pm On Jan 18
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