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Religion / Re: The Nature/character Of Temptation. by PastorAIO: 11:33am
Ishilove:

Trouble na my 'mido' name. Oya tell me what kind you prefer lemme supply you sharpaly grin

Which kind you get?
Religion / Re: The Nature/character Of Temptation. by PastorAIO: 11:30am
malvisguy212:
before the temptation occur, what did the first verse say ? "Then Jesus was LED by the SPIRIT into the desert to be tempted by the Devil Matthew 4:1"

The holy spirit led Him into the desert,why ? So that the devil should tempt Him. The motive of the spirit is to prove that The SON IS GOD, Just as the father is God. For All the days of Jesus on earth, the forty days fasting is the weakest point of his ministry, that is a very Good time for the enemy to approach and do all his trick.

the first sin in Genesis is related to food, satan say "did God actually say..." Compare in matthew, when he tell Jesus " if you are the son of God" (contradict God word). Secondly satan say to eve "you will not surly die" and then compare to what he told Jesus " jump of this mountain" (God did not mean what he say) thirdly, satan say to eve "you will be like God" plus what he say to Jesus "if you could worship me"

Clearly written, satan is question God's authority and contradicting them, if Jesus is who He say He was, and what the father say about Him during the baptism.

I don't know what all that is that you're writing. I asked very simple questions. You said Satan tempted Jesus where he spotted weakness. So I asked you what weakness he was attacking when he offered him the Kingdoms. Was it megalomania? If not, just say, 'no it's not' and then tell us what the weakness was.

And also that for jumping off high place. What was the weakness? Was Jesus uncertain of God that he felt a need to test him for confirmation?

If you feel you can't answer these questions that okay too, but in that case just spare me the mentions.
Religion / Re: The Nature/character Of Temptation. by PastorAIO: 10:51pm On May 30
malvisguy212:
I don't want to response to this post but a dear friend of mine ask me to. the passage clearly say, Jesus fasted for forty days, and was hungry just as every human fell hungry, and what was the tempting about ? Turn this stone to bread, the weakness satan see, is because Jesus was hungry.


And what about the offer to rule all the kingdoms of the world?

Did Satan see a sign of megalomania?

And jumping from the high place?

Did he feel that Jesus needed to test God?

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Religion / Re: The Nature/character Of Temptation. by PastorAIO: 8:12pm On May 30
Ishilove:

You doth protest a tad too much, Monsieur le pastor

twas not in protest, but merely an enquiry. I could do with a little bit of trouble actually.
Religion / Re: The Nature/character Of Temptation. by PastorAIO: 7:29pm On May 30
Ishilove:

Epiphany! grin
Ishilove:

Oniranu grin

I hope I'm not in trouble.
Religion / Re: Contra Bibliolatreia I Mark 10:5 by PastorAIO: 2:31pm On May 30
Ubenedictus:
possibly, unless the whole sttory is alegorical. Again whether or not the earth did stand stil isnt his intended message.

How specific does an intended message have to be? i.e Can a double entendre be intended? In which case the intention is not one point or the other but the contemplation of the possibility of both points.

On the other hand in communication how accurate is received understanding in reflection intention. You say what you mean but do I get what you mean? Or did you mean what I Understood?

These and many other interesting questions can be addressed to the issue of communications.
Religion / Re: I Had An Accident (PICTURE): Unraveling the foolishness in God's protection by PastorAIO: 2:23pm On May 30
Julianyao:

I know that. It's just that your username made me feel that way cos I haven't been following your posts.

It's an understandable misunderstanding.
Religion / Re: I Had An Accident (PICTURE): Unraveling the foolishness in God's protection by PastorAIO: 2:18pm On May 30
theoneJabulani:
Hera turn a woman to a bear cos Zeus had an interest in her. Odysseus was punished for 20 years for not given the gods due credit. The Trojans were punished for serving different gods. Go and study Greek mythology. Even some Christians believe anyone outside their sect won't make heaven.

O boy, your own don pass matter. You're obviously incapable of following an argument. Let's just forget it.
Religion / Re: I Had An Accident (PICTURE): Unraveling the foolishness in God's protection by PastorAIO: 12:00pm On May 30
Julianyao:

Aren't you supposed to be a theist? or am I missing something?

Not every theist is a christian.

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Religion / Re: I Had An Accident (PICTURE): Unraveling the foolishness in God's protection by PastorAIO: 11:59am On May 30
theoneJabulani:
Same guy replying your post. The poet Homer tells tales of countless humans who were punished for disobedience by the gods of Olympus. The Greek gods show more human emotions than any other Deity's on earth. And do I know what is Pascal's wager? I won't answer that.

You're going on about punishment for this that or the other. Human emotions don't come into the issue either.


You say that you're an expert on Pascal's wager. Pascal's wager is about whether to believe in God or not. Is that so?

The matter of God's existence is at the heart of it. Please tell me if I'm wrong.

No where did Homer ever mention that greek gods killed anybody because they didn't believe in their existence.

No where in Greek mythology will we find a notion of a final day of reckoning in which part of what we shall be judged on is whether or not we believed in the existence of the gods.

Please tell me if any of these things I'm saying are right or wrong.

Christianity is unique in that it makes the criteria for escaping judgment Belief. I'm not aware of any other religion that does so and that is why I say that Pascal's wager still holds for christians.
Religion / Re: The Nature/character Of Temptation. by PastorAIO: 11:46am On May 30
Ubenedictus:
yeah that parable, it didntt sayy the child didnt do wrong, it simply admitted he did right at the end.

i think its comparing apples and oranges.

It says, I think, he was resolved to do wrong but had a change of heart.
Religion / Re: I Had An Accident (PICTURE): Unraveling the foolishness in God's protection by PastorAIO: 6:46pm On May 29
davien:
I'm also not an atheist in a foxhole,had a lot of accidents... dusted myself and went to the hospital..

The day a bottle exploded in a trashbin and slit a bit of my neck people were shouting Jesus all through, If I was a theist, panicking and shouting Jesus would've only lead to more bleeding from my neck and possibly let the pieces push further into my neck... just hailed a bike to the nearest hospital..


You guys should start a testimony thread for Atheist.

Call it 'What the Spaghetti Monster has Done for me' or something like that.

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Religion / Re: I Had An Accident (PICTURE): Unraveling the foolishness in God's protection by PastorAIO: 6:44pm On May 29
Oluwaseytiano:
I don't gat time for chit chat, what happen to Prometheus?

If you don't have time then why are you here? Are you saying that what I asked you is not pertinent?

Prometheus gave humans fire and was punished. So what?

We are talking about Pascal's wager I believe. Do you know what Pascal's wager is? What is it?

Again I ask you. Did Prometheus refuse to believe in the existence of Zeus? Did Zeus say he will punish people who did not believe in him?

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Religion / Re: The Nature/character Of Temptation. by PastorAIO: 5:52pm On May 29
Geist:
Very true, but at times when one compares the effects of these thoughts and contemplations on the human body(or should I say the human psychology) with the action itself the differences greys out or becomes insignificant. Probably that was what Mathew was trying to point out.


This is very interesting and insightful because it is not only actions that affect our being but also thoughts. Merely thinking pleasurable things will trigger off endorphins and hormones in the body. Maybe those hormones have some intrinsic toxicity in themselves. But I'm just speculating.
Religion / Re: The Nature/character Of Temptation. by PastorAIO: 5:50pm On May 29
Ubenedictus:
once the resolve stage kicks in there is sin, even though u change ur mind later. But in issues like the 6 commandment even d first stage may be sinful.
Geist:
I too have always asked this question during my years in catechism, especially when it has to do with fornicating. The general explanations I got was that, sin generally involves three stages. The thoughts, the resolve to carry out the thoughts, and the action, that sin only comes in after the second stage, regardless of whether the actions are eventually taken. I personally am not satisfied with that explanation though, knowing fully well that even after resolving to carry out such acts one can still change his mind.


Ubenedictus:
once the resolve stage kicks in there is sin, even though u change ur mind later. But in issues like the 6 commandment even d first stage may be sinful.
Ubenedictus:
once the resolve stage kicks in there is sin, even though u change ur mind later. But in issues like the 6 commandment even d first stage may be sinful.


This parable though …


"But what do you think? A man had two sons, and he came to the first, and said, 'Son, go work in my vineyard.' He answered, 'I will not,' but afterward he changed his mind, and went. He came to the second, and said the same thing. He answered, 'I go, sir,' but he didn't go. Which of the two did the will of his father?"

They said to him, "The first."
Matt 21
Religion / Re: I Had An Accident (PICTURE): Unraveling the foolishness in God's protection by PastorAIO: 4:23pm On May 29
Did Prometheus fail to believe in him?

Oluwaseytiano:
Zeus had an adopted son called Prometheus, do you know what happened to him?
Religion / Re: I Had An Accident (PICTURE): Unraveling the foolishness in God's protection by PastorAIO: 4:04pm On May 29
Oluwaseytiano:
Says who? Better go and study Greek mythology

Says me. Where is the jealousy and vindictiveness? Show me.

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Religion / Re: The Nature/character Of Temptation. by PastorAIO: 3:56pm On May 29
Geist:
I too have always asked this question during my years in catechism, especially when it has to do with fornicating. The general explanations I got was that, sin generally involves three stages. The thoughts, the resolve to carry out the thoughts, and the action, that sin only comes in after the second stage, regardless of whether the actions are eventually taken. I personally am not satisfied with that explanation though, knowing fully well that even after resolving to carry out such acts one can still change his mind.


… Or one can perch delicately on the precipice, merely contemplating the thought and enjoying the contemplation. Fantasising can be so sweet.

In fact most pleasures and pains in life are rooted in conceits. We live in fear of things that haven't happened and possibly will never happen and we delight in things that haven't happened and also will possibly never happen. This fact has many economic implications.

Hope itself is a commodity. We can put a price on hope and buy and sell it. We can do this for pretty much any of our conceits because we experience them as if they were real.
Religion / Re: Why Did God Condone Such Terrible Violence In The Old Testament? by PastorAIO: 3:42pm On May 29
Threats threats threats. When you are at your wits end all you can resort to are threats.

OLAADEGBU:


Cattle stand at the slaughterhouse waiting for their turn. Cattle are dumb.

Sheep follow the "Judas" sheep to the slaughter. Sheep are dumb.

Atheists are waiting to die and don't do anything about it...
when they could find everlasting life, if they obeyed the gospel.
See if you can figure what sheep, cattle, and atheists have in common.

If you're an atheist and you think that I'm provoking you, you're right. I'm provoking you to think. This is not a game. It's more serious than a heart attack. Think about your eternity. See www.needGod.com for details of how to find everlasting life.
Religion / Re: I Wish To Join Occult,ur Advice Is Needed. by PastorAIO: 3:04pm On May 29
Go around in a mask like Lagbaja and you will be Occult.
Religion / Re: Contra Bibliolatreia I Mark 10:5 by PastorAIO: 3:01pm On May 29
Ubenedictus:
Take d next lines with a pinch of salt.

public revelatn is usually d type that is considered absolute truth, D type everybody must blive. D play above edifies people but no one is asked to blive them or lose happily thereafter in heaven.


I think it might help if we define what we mean by truth.

I believe in logic that truth is just a value that is assigned to a statement. So any statement e.g. "London is in England" can be assigned one of two values, True or False.

For me personally, I like to define Truth as That Which Is And Always Is The Case.

With this definition I am not just referring to statements but to the entirety of experience. The world that we perceive with our senses is not the Truth because everything in it is subject to change. Things might seem to be the case one instance and cease to be the case the next instant. Ultimately, by my definition, Truth can only exist in eternity, but in this world of our senses we see derivations of truth.

I'm asking for your definition because of your use of the phrase 'absolute truth'. Absolute truth as distinct from what? Relative Truth? I suspect that you do not believe that there is any such thing as relative truth (being a catholic).
Religion / Re: Contra Bibliolatreia I Mark 10:5 by PastorAIO: 2:47pm On May 29
Ubenedictus:
what is the intended message? Joshua wasnt talking scientific fact, he was telling a story with a message. Remember how i desscribed inerrancyy.

No, he certainly wasn't talking scientific fact. But my question is: Was he talking historical fact?
Religion / Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by PastorAIO: 2:44pm On May 29
blueAgent:



Look the Obvious lesson to learn here is that to be tempted is not a sin .Jesus himself was tempted . but falling for the temptation is Sin.
That verse could also be refering to Jesus stressing the importances of one controlling his anger rather than taking the meaning literally.


James 1:12-16 ESV / 17 helpful votes
Blessed is the man who remains steadfast under
trial, for when he has stood the test he will
receive the crown of life, which God has
promised to those who love him. Let no one say
when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by
God,” for God cannot be tempted with evil, and
he himself tempts no one. But each person is
tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own
desire. Then desire when it has conceived gives
birth to sin, and sin when it is fully grown brings
forth death. Do not be deceived, my beloved
brothers.
Religion / Re: I Had An Accident (PICTURE): Unraveling the foolishness in God's protection by PastorAIO: 2:42pm On May 29
Julianyao:

Pascal's wager restricts the criteria for eternity to believe only. That's implies that you can rape, kill, do any feckery you want and still make the heaven as long as you believe. That's an F U to whatever moral life one must have lead.
It's about tricking yourself to believe.

Well tbh some parts of the bible agree with that. But then other parts directly contradict those parts.

As for morality, forget it, the worst thing for anybody or society trying to develop moral character is christianity.

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Religion / Re: Why Did God Condone Such Terrible Violence In The Old Testament? by PastorAIO: 2:38pm On May 29
Sarassin:


Thank you for your very eloquent point. Surely your god is not a tyrannical, sadistic, bloodthirsty baby-dismembering deity is it? For a moment there I thought God was compassionate and forgiving. Don't mind me.

That's not even my own inside. My own is, Why can he not come and do his tyranny and sadism for himself. Why is he always sending humans, who happen to be equally as tyrannical and sadistic as himself, to do the job for him.

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Religion / The Nature/character Of Temptation. by PastorAIO: 2:35pm On May 29
The Nature of Temptation.



When I get tempted, I mull over the tempting act. I go through it in my mind, imagining myself doing it. Vicariously, I contemplate the pleasure of doing the act. Then I might resist the temptation and refuse to actually carry out the act.

This is my experience of temptation.

When I see a beautiful woman with nice gravity defying mammaries, a gluteus maximus to die for and curves and dips that tingle my imagination, already I've imagined all manner of lascivious actions. Hardly can a sexy girl pass by and I will not be thus tingled.

However I consider myself a disciplined man and I do not hardly ever follow through with these thoughts.

it is quite disconcerting to realise that Matthew 5:28 considers the contents of my imagination to be as sinful as my actions.

27You have heard that it was said, ‘Do not commit adultery.’ 28But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman to lust after her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.


This leaves me wondering about what the nature of Jesus' temptations were. Did Jesus too mull over the opportunities that the Satan was offering him?

If he did then was he guilty of sin by contemplation.?
And if he did not even once consider the Satan's offer then can it be called temptation.

Of course Satan is a separate being from Jesus so the tempting suggestions are externalised to him. However the rest of us humans are not so lucky. When we are tempted the temptations occur as thoughts in our own heads. If they were externalised as another person saying, 'olboy, look that yansh', it would be much easier to escape.

So the temptations of Christ and the temptations that we go through everyday are of a totally different nature. Can they even be said to be the same thing?

Now consider this:

12Blessed is the man who remains steadfast under trial, for when he has stood the test he will receive the crown of life, which God has promised to those who love him. 13Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God,” for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself tempts no one. 14But each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desire. 15Then desire when it has conceived gives birth to sin, and sin when it is fully grown brings forth death.
James chapter 1

So if Jesus is God and God cannot be tempted then what can we say happened to Jesus in the wilderness? I believe that James is right when he says that temptation starts with your own desire. At least that is my experience.
So what is the nature of what happened to Jesus in the wilderness?

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Religion / Re: I Had An Accident (PICTURE): Unraveling the foolishness in God's protection by PastorAIO: 2:06pm On May 29
Oluwaseytiano:
Makes sense BT the Pascal's wager is flawed. What if you died and found out Zeus is the true God?

But Zeus is not jealous and vindictive so he'll probably just let it slide. But Yahweh?

Pascal's wager requires a downside to not believing. No other religion provides this downside like abrahamic religions. So Pascal's wager still holds.

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Religion / Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by PastorAIO: 11:00am On May 29
blueAgent:



You are confused. you are not making any Coherent statement.

Stop talking to yourself. Na so craze dey start.
Religion / Re: Religious People Should Think About This (food4thought) by PastorAIO: 12:13pm On May 28
But deeper than religion is the general cultures of the peoples of africa. I think the problem has many factors but some of the biggest factors that no one seems to want to face are within our cultures. One of the biggest of these big factors is the Privilege that we give to seniority.

Privilege of any sort is the bane of any society. A progressive dynamic culture is firmly rooted in meritocracy. The moment you start to veer away from this and start rewarding people on the basis of privileges the society starts to decline.

Can you imagine a man can open his mouth and spew complete utter Inanity, and if you try to correct him his response will be 'Am I your mate?'. What has age got to do with talking sense? This awarding privileges to daft nonsensical factors whether it is age or religious office (like pastor) or weath, or political office (Oga-ism) is the bane of africa and any society for that matter. On the other hand the stricter a meritocracy you have in a society the stronger and more efficient the society will be.

By the time our minds have been formed by threats and violence by the age of 5 we start to fear certain positions of authority and our ability to think clearly is befuddled. No society that cannot challenge Authority can advance. By the age of 5 our minds are prepared to just follow blindly what the pastor and imam says questioningly. If it wasn't christianity and islam it would be some other religion. So while the religion is problematic it is not the root of the problem.


paxonel:
the problem is religion.
it is simple to understand, corruption is a product of bad home training.
most Nigerian parents were not educated enough to understand the disparity between ethics and culture, so how can they train their children towards having good ethics?
so they refer their children to churches and mosques But church and mosque could not train the children.
rather, they keep teaching the children that God's blessing is making wealth while someone who find himself poor is not blessed.
and they grow up with that kind of mindset to become corrupt politicians .
all churches are guilty of this

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Religion / Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by PastorAIO: 12:16am On May 28
So is it a contradiction? Or is it that God in his infinite kindness, realising that his children love to pick and choose felt that it's best to give them an ample supply of various doctrines.



joseph1013:


LOL. I am aware of the concept of eternal salvation and Christ being made our own righteousness. For instance the following verses speak of that:

Romans 4:5
But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness,

1 Corinthians 1:30
But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption.

While those are valid, these ones show something interesting:

Romans 6:14
Sin is no longer your master, for you no longer live under the requirements of the law.

1 Corinthians 10:13
No temptation has overtaken you except what is common to mankind. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can endure it.

1 John 3:9
No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God.

1 John 5:18
We know that anyone born of God does not continue to sin; the One who was born of God keeps them safe, and the evil one cannot harm them.
Religion / Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by PastorAIO: 4:55pm On May 27
blueAgent:



Look the Obvious lesson to learn here is that to be tempted is not a sin .Jesus himself was tempted . but falling for the temptation is Sin.
That verse could also be refering to Jesus stressing the importances of one controlling his anger rather than taking the meaning literally.


James 1:12-16 ESV / 17 helpful votes
Blessed is the man who remains steadfast under
trial, for when he has stood the test he will
receive the crown of life, which God has
promised to those who love him. Let no one say
when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by
God,” for God cannot be tempted with evil, and
he himself tempts no one. But each person is
tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own
desire. Then desire when it has conceived gives
birth to sin, and sin when it is fully grown brings
forth death. Do not be deceived, my beloved
brothers.

Do you realise that you have just totally destroyed the bible with this quote of yours? I've actually been meaning to do a thread on this for some time now. Perhaps now is the time.
Religion / Re: Why Is It Necessary To Appeal To God For Objective Morals? by PastorAIO: 4:52pm On May 27
As for the rest of this poo, it has absolutely no bearing on the discussion.


blueAgent:



You said it yourself . they were made to God. and served a temporary purpose. so what's your argument. God asked Abraham to sacrifice his son as a test. which Abraham almost did, but was stopped by God. does this imply in anyway that God wants us to kill our Children on his behalf. No it was just a medium to test Abraham's faith with what he loved most , his Son.
Same with the Ark.

Remember the Children of Israel made a molten calf by Aaron to serve as their god.
So God instructed Moses to make the Ark not necessarily. as a Subsistue ,but to help the Children of Israel to Fear and acknowledge his presence.

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