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|Religion / Re: What Is A God? by PastorAIO: 8:02pm|
To make it a product of any sort from our imaginations is to give too much credit to his postulation. Such a 'God' is UNimaginable even. He is merely assigning a term to the unknown and unknowable. However we don't even know how much unimaginable and unknowable stuff is out there. Is it all God? Or is God only a part of what is unimaginable and unknowable? What else can be found beyond our reality and beyond our minds?
A big epistemological problem indeed, Kay17.
|Religion / Re: Spirituality After(/outside) Religion by PastorAIO: 6:59pm|
The continued practise of certain disciplines in order to bring about a state of being connected to the world and to oneself.
The idea of practising a dogma is oxymoronic. A dogma is accepted intellectually or rejected. A dogma isn't practised.
Religious development is not better understanding of a religion. Maybe that would be sociology or anthropology.
Excuse me, what were you saying about Dogma?
We are not spiritual beings but we have a spiritual self?? (which isn't human? explain this to me, please.)
It take it that you believe your physical self (your body) is the only real you.
Also of interest.... Why do you think you cannot connect with your spiritual self which is not you in one lifetime?
Where I think I agree with you but we are using different approaches is where you seem to be saying that physical and spiritual need to be connected. The difference is that you are adamant that the spiritual part is not the self, but only the physical part. At least you agree that there are parts and that those parts are fractured and need to be reconnected.
The question then is ... what are the methods by which we can effect this reconnection of the parts? That Methodology is what I call Religious practice. You can practice it within a cult or not.
Of course you can grow spiritually just as you can grow physically, but to suggest that humans are not spiritual beings, and to do so dogmatically without back up, contradicts everything that I hold to be true and right.
|Religion / Re: QUESTION: Why Isn't Jesus Saving Our World by PastorAIO: 3:52pm On Oct 21|
|Religion / Re: QUESTION: Why Isn't Jesus Saving Our World by PastorAIO: 5:20pm On Oct 20|
Thank you Kay. Though I doubt he'll read it with a calm mind. But if he does, hopefully, I hope he also notes the very last sentence where I said that Jesus in the gospels taught neither of the two possible meanings.
|Religion / Re: QUESTION: Why Isn't Jesus Saving Our World by PastorAIO: 2:17pm On Oct 20|
But seriously Dapo, if you truly love this discussion that you've giving your energy and time to post, has that solved the problem of not actually reading and grasping what I've said.
|Religion / Re: What Is A God? by PastorAIO: 12:00pm On Oct 20|
Is God a god?
|Religion / Re: Spirituality After(/outside) Religion by PastorAIO: 11:30am On Oct 20|
Thanks for the mention. Now I'm here, my difficulty with contributing lies in understanding what the terms Spirituality and Religion mean to the OP. I consider myself to be religious. Very religious.
But then I understand religion as a practice undertaken to reconnect oneself to Spirit, and to one's environment. So for me Spiritual development is very much a part of religion.
By spirituality I just believe that we are already spiritual beings and so someone cannot 'become more spiritual' any more than someone can become more human.
I suspect that what the OP is resisting against is the Practice of Religion within a CULT. There are pros and cons to practicing religion within a cult. This cult as a religious organisation has plenty of deleterious effects on religious development.
|Religion / Re: QUESTION: Why Isn't Jesus Saving Our World by PastorAIO: 11:01am On Oct 20|
You seem confused. The basis of my points are in the OP at its question. Nothing I said there was baseless. Nothing that you've written actually applies to my post. I think you might be addressing something else entirely. Maybe a gripe you have had with christianity long before you even read my post. Anyway, please, I'd appreciate it if next time you actually read my post and made sure you understood it before you responded to it. Thanks in advance.
|Religion / Re: If The Old Testament Is Of A Perfect God, Why The New Testament?? by PastorAIO: 2:16pm On Oct 18|
"too bad"? I hope you were answered satisfactorily from the post I referred you too. In that thread there are many questions asked of me, and as I had plenty more time to spend on Nairaland in those days I made an as-comprehensive-as-I-could answer. Since then I've been asked many questions that I've already answered quite comprehensively on other threads. It is a lot easier for me to refer the querent to those previous thread than to spell out my whole position over and over again. If there are questions left then I'll be happy to answer further.
Paix et amour.
|Religion / Re: QUESTION: Why Isn't Jesus Saving Our World by PastorAIO: 2:09pm On Oct 18|
May I present two different 'versions' that are often conflated?
1) Jesus came to save us from our Sinful Nature
2) Jesus came to save us from the consequences of our Sinful acts
The idea is that we are not Sinners because we have Sinned, but rather we Sin because we are sinners.
If it is our Sinful nature that we to be saved from and we become a new kind of creature then Jesus' salvation project has failed in the case of the greater majority of Christians. They all still have their extremely sinful nature and the subsequent sinful acts abound.
If it is the consequences of our Sins that he has come to save us from, and those consequences culminate in our final destination in the afterlife, then we cannot judge until such a time whether he has failed or not. If there are consequences of sin before the final day of reckoning and we have been saved from those then Christians should be living better lives than non christians and a christian thief that gets caught will not suffer any consequences, neither will the christian womanizer that catches venereal disease will be cured of his disease.
If the particular consequence that we are saved from is not physical but spiritual christians will continue to suffer the physical consequences of their sins but whether the 'other' intangible consequences are escaped we can not know because we do not experience them .
There are other consequences of these beliefs. If one believes that his sins are forgiven despite his continuing to sin this will only encourage most people to sin further. This teaching encourages moral corruption. This, i believe, is why Nigerians are so morally corrupt, what was already a bad situation was made exponentially worse by these false 'christian' teachings. Note: Jesus did not teach any of these himself.
|Religion / Re: QUESTION: Why Isn't Jesus Saving Our World by PastorAIO: 1:53pm On Oct 18|
hello Ihedinobi, it's been a while ...
please what exactly is the danger(s) that you have been secured from?
|Religion / Belief In Free Will Not Threatened By Neuroscience by PastorAIO: 3:26pm On Oct 15|
A key finding from neuroscience research over the last few decades is that non-conscious preparatory brain activity appears to precede the subjective feeling of making a decision. Some neuroscientists, like Sam Harris, have argued that this shows our sense of free will is an illusion, and that lay people would realize this too if they were given a vivid demonstration of the implications of the science (see below). Books have even started to appear with titles like My Brain Made Me Do It: The Rise of Neuroscience and the Threat to Moral Responsibility by Eliezer J. Sternberg.
|Religion / Re: If The Old Testament Is Of A Perfect God, Why The New Testament?? by PastorAIO: 2:44pm On Oct 03|
pesty100: so skepticism seems to be the rational choice?
Not necessarily the rational choice. But the more honest choice, certainly.
|Religion / Re: If The Old Testament Is Of A Perfect God, Why The New Testament?? by PastorAIO: 2:43pm On Oct 03|
Please can I refer you to this post for further clarification:
|Religion / Re: If The Old Testament Is Of A Perfect God, Why The New Testament?? by PastorAIO: 12:50pm On Oct 03|
Then there is the notion that God created all the possibilities and every possible universe exists in parallel to themselves. This raises ontological questions of when we can say something exists or not. Can possibilities be said to exist? In what sense? How do we compare their existence to the existence of Actualities.
|Religion / Re: If The Old Testament Is Of A Perfect God, Why The New Testament?? by PastorAIO: 12:44pm On Oct 03|
Herein lies the heart of the issue. There is a need, a desperate need, to assume a position of absolute knowledge. Instead of honestly trying to attain the position or at least admitting that it is not possible, we resort instead to sleight of hands and dodgy arguments to support an untenable position.
I've even heard arguments trying to discredit science by saying that scientists are always coming up with new theories and changing their position. Whereas religionists always maintain their position. I don't know how that, the fact that a position is amenable to changing when facts present themselves, makes something less true. If anything it should make it's position stronger than the position that does not consider new facts.
It is simply a matter of intellectual honesty and integrity. God is not something that we can know or grasp. We can try, but if you think that you've pinned God down then you'll be setting yourself up for a shock. Repeated shocks.
There are two parts to this Free Will issue. The Free part, and the Will part.
what do we mean by Free? Are the choices God makes truly free, or are they bound to by his character. ie. are there things that God will typically do and things that he wouldn't do?
Anybody that knows me would tell you that if you were to put chocolate down on one plate, and marzipan on another and tell me to choose one, if they truly know me they will know that I am more likely to choose the marzipan. Knowledge leads to prognosis. If you know me you'll be able to predict my behaviour.
Does God have Character? Likes, dislikes, behavioural patterns, features? If so then his/her choices would be bound to his/her character. that is not totally free. There are things therefore that God just wouldn't/couldn't do.
Then there is the question of who created God's features and characteristics. God himself? ie Self creating. Then what informed his decisions to create himself the way he did? You see how these questions are taking us beyond the levels that our intellect can reach. The honest answer to these questions is 'I don't know'. I don't know why it is so hard for my christian brethren to say these three little words.
Then there is the Will part? If God's Will is absolute then can there by any other Wills in the universe? An absolute Will cannot be thwarted in anyway. Whatever happens must be in accord with this absolute will. If there are other wills, i.e. human will, then that will must necessarily be impotent since the will of God is absolute. Nothing can happen other than what God wills.
However if Human will is not impotent, then God's will cannot be absolute.
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|Religion / Re: If The Old Testament Is Of A Perfect God, Why The New Testament?? by PastorAIO: 12:12pm On Oct 03|
this thread is getting interesting now.
|Religion / Re: "What Was Early Christianity Like?" by PastorAIO: 5:05pm On Sep 30|
Please, JMAN05, does a contradictory pair of lists mean there is no apostolic succession.
|Religion / Re: What Is Existentialism? by PastorAIO: 2:38pm On Sep 29|
I could if I had the time and energy. I don't have the time or energy for that. those who know you know what you're like.
|Religion / Re: "What Was Early Christianity Like?" by PastorAIO: 2:33pm On Sep 29|
You are a very wicked man!! See as you give me work. I've trawled the internet looking for the lists. I read references to the book but I've only found one list. That of the Alzog's handbuch whatever. I'll paste it below. I wanted to compare the lists by putting them parallel to each other. Anyway, no wahala. (since you have been reluctant to produce the lists yourself would that suggest that you yourself haven't compared the lists but rather you just read an accusation on some website and swallowed it hook line and sinker? That is not an issue anyway, just a thought that occurred to me.)
I could only find one list but I found other things about the books. First this:
From here: https://www.wordnik.com/words/Gerarchia
How do you compare an authoritative work to a non authoritative work and then claim something dubious when they don't tally?
Then I found this:
Owing, chiefly, to the fact that during what is called the Great Schism of the West, there were sometimes several claimants to the Holy See, only one of whom could be the lawful successor of St. Peter, authorities differ concerning the correct list of the Popes. Some reckon that Pius XI is the two hundred and sixty-first successor of St. Peter. Joseph Deharbe, S.J., A Complete Catechism of the Catholic Religion, Sixth American Edition, © 1912/1919/1924 Scwartz, Kirwin & Fauss, p. 68; Book has Nihil Obstat of Very Rev. Edmund T. Shanahan, D.D., Catholic University of America; and Imprimitur of John M. Farley, Archbishop of New York.from here: http://www.lazyboysreststop.org/pope-20.htm
This suggests that the discrepancies occurred at much later dates that what we are talking about. We are talking about the early church, especially about the immediate successors to Peter.
But having said all that, That is not really the part of this discussion that interests me.
Please, ejor, Is it the matter of discrepancies in the lists that is the basis of your rejection of catholicism and the Apostolic succession? Please explain to me why a discrepancies must necessarily mean that the whole issue is false and must be discarded. thank you.
The following is the lists of popes that I found online from the Alzog Handbuch:
1. St. Peter, M... Bethsaida in Galilee 42-67
2. St. Linus, M... Volterra... 67-78
3. St. Cletus, M... Rome... 78-90
4. St. Clement I, M… Rome… 90-100
5. St. Anacletus, M…Athens… 100-112
6. St. Evaristus, M… Syria…112-121
7. St. Alexander I, M… Rome… 121-132
8. St. Sixtus I. M… Rome… 132-142
9. St. Telesphorus, M… Greece… 142-154
10. St. lyginlus, M… Greece… 154-158
11. St. Pius I, M… Aquileja … 158-167
12. St. Anicetus, M… Syria… 167-175
13. St. Soterus, M…Campania… 175-182
14. St. Eleutherius, M… Epirus… 182-193
15. St. Victor I, M… Africa… 193-203
16. St. Zephyrinns, M… Rome… 203-220
17. St. Calixtus I, M… Rome… 221-227
18. St. Urban I, M… Rome… 227-233
19. St. Pontianus, M… Rome… 233-238
20. St. Anterus, M… Greece…238-239
21. St. Fabian, M… Rome… 240-253
22. St. Cornelius, M… Rome… 254-255 [Novatian, first antipope.]
23. St. Lucius I, M… Rome… 255-257
24. St. Stephen I, M… Rome… 257-260
25. St. Sixtus II, M… Athens… 260-261
26. St. Dionysius… Italy… 261-272
27. St. Felix I. M… Rome… 272-275
28. St. Eltychianus… Tuscany… 225-283
29. St. Caius, M… Dalmatia… 283-296
30. St. Marcellinus, M… Rome… 296-304
31. St. Miarcellus I, M… Rome…304-309
32. St. Esebius… Calabria… 309-311
33. St. Melchiades…. Africa… 311-314
34. St. Sylvester… Rome… 314-337
35. St. Malrcus… Rome… 337-340
36. St. Jillius I… Rome… 341-352
37. St. Liberius… Rome… 352-363
38. St. Felix II… Rome… 363-365
39. St. Darnass... Spain... 366-384 [Ursicinus, antipope.]
40. St. Siricius... Rome... 384-398
41. St. Anastasius... Rome… 399-402
42. St. Innocet I... Albano... 402-417
43. St. Zosim... Greece... 417-418
44. St. Boniface I... Rome... 418-423
45. St. Celestine I... Campania... 423-432
46. St. Sixts III... Rome... 432-440
47. St. Leo I, the Great... Tuscany... 440-461
48. St. Hilary... Cagilari... 461-468
49. St. Simplicius... Tivoli... 468483
50. St. Felix II... Rome... 483492
51. St. Gelasius I... Africa... 492-496
52. St Anastasius II... Rome... 496-498
53. St. Symnachus... Rome... 498-514
54. St. Hormisdas... Frosinone... 514-523
55. St. John I, M... Tuscany... 523-526
56. St. Felix IV... Benevet... 526-530
57. Boniface II... Rome... 530-532
58. John II... Rome... 532-535
59. St. Agapetus I... Rome... 535-536
60. St. Sylverius, M... Frosinone... 536-538
61. Vigilius... Rome... 538-555
62. Pelagius I... Rome... 555-560
63. John III... Rome... 560-573
64. Benedict I... Rome... 574-578
65. Pelagius II... Rome... 578-590
66. St. Gregory I, the Great. Rome... 50-604
67. Sabiniaus... Volterra... 604-606
68. Boniface III... Rome... 607-607
69. St. Boniface IV... The Marches... 608-615
70. St. Adeodatus I... Rome... 615-619
71. Boniface V... Naples... 619-625
72. Honorins I... Campania... 625-638
73. Severinus... Rome... 640-640
74. John IV... Dalmatia... 640-642
75. Theodorus I... Greece... 642-649
76. St. Martin, M... Todi... 649-655
77. St. Engenius I... Rome... 655-656
78. St. Vitalianus... Segi... 657-672
79. Adeodatus II... Rome... 672-676
80. Donus I... Rome... 676-678
81. St. Agathon... Greece... 678-682
82. St. Leo II... Sicily... 682-683
83. St. Benedict II... Rome... 684-685
84. John V... Antiochia... 685-686
85. Conon... Thrace... 686-687
86. St. Sergis I... ?... 687-701
87. John VI... Greece... 701-705
88. John VII... Greece... 705-707
89. Sisinnius... Syria... 708-708
90. Constantine... Syria... 708-715
91. St. Gregory II... Rome... 715-731
92. St. Gregory III... Syria... 731-741
93. St. Zachary... Greece... 741-752
94. St. Stephen II... Rome... 752-752
95. Stephen III... Rome... 752-757
96. St. Paul I... Rome... 757-767
97. Stephen IV... Syracuse... 768-771
98. Adrian I... Rome... 771-795
99. St. Leo III... Rome ... 795-816
100. Stephen V... Rome... 816-817
101. St. Paschal I... Rome... 817-824
102. Eugenius II... Rome... 824-827
103. Valentiuns... Rome... 827-827
104. Gregory IV... Rome... 827-844
105. Sergius II... Rome... 844-847
106. St. Leo IV... Rome... 847-855 [Fabulous antipope Joan.]
107. Benedict III... Rome... 855-858
108. St. Nicholas I, the Great… Rome... 858-867
109. Adrian II... Rome... 867-872
110. John VIII... Rome... 872-882
111. Marinus I... Gallese... 882-884
112. Adrian III... Rome... 884-885
113. Stephen VI... Rome... 885-891
114. Formosus... Ostia... 891-896 [Sergius, antipope.]
115. Boniface VI... Rome... 896-96
116. Stephen VII... Rome... 897-898
117. Romanus... Gallese... 898-898
118. Theodorus II... Gallese... 898-898
119. John IX... Tivoli... 898-900
120. Benedict IV... Rome... 900-903
121. Leo V... Ardea... 903-903
122. Christopher... Rome... 903-904
123. Sergius III... Rome... 904-911
124. Anastasius III... Rome... 911-913
125. Lando... Sabine... 913-914
126. John X... Ravenna... 915-928
127. Leo VI... Rome... 928-929
128. Stephen VIII... Rome... 929-931
129. John XI... Rome... 931-936
130. Leo VII... Rome... 936-939
131. Stephen IX... Rome... 939-942
132. Marinus II... Rome... 943-946
133. Agapetus II... Rome... 946-956
134. John XI*... Rome... 956-964 (Octavian Conti.) [Leo 8:antipope.]
135. Benedict V... Rome... 964-965
136. John XIII... Rome... 96S-972 (Bishop John of Ravenna.)
137. Benedict VI... Rome... 972-973
138. Donus II... Rome... 973-975
139. Benedict VII... Rome ... 975-984 (Conti, bishop of Sutri.)
140. John XIV... Pavia... 984-985 (Peter, bishop of Pavia.)
141. Boniface VII... ?... 985-985 (Cardinal Boniface Franco.)
142. John XV... Rome... 985-996
143. John XVI... ... 996-996
144. Gregory V... Germany... 996-999 (Bruno, court chaplain of the emperor.)
145. John XVI... ?... 999-999
146. Sylvester II... France... 999-1003 (Gerbert.) * The first pope who changed his name on ascending the papal throne.
147. John XVIII... Rome... 1003-1003
148. John XIX... Rome... 1003-1009
149. Sergius IV... Rome... 1009-1012
150. Benedict VIII... Rome... 1012-1024 (Conti.)
151. John XX... Rome... 1024-1033 (Conti, a brother of the preceding.)
152. Benedict IX ... Rome... 1033-1044 (Theophylact, nephew of the two preceding.) [Sylvester, antipope.]
153. Gregory VI... Rome... 1044-1046 (Archpriest John Gratianus.)
154. Clement II... Germany... 1046-1048 (Bishop Suidger of Bamlberg.)
155. Damasus II... Germany... 1048-1048 (Bishop Pappo of Brixen.)
156. St. Leo IX... Germany... 1049-1055 (Bishop Bruno of Toul.)
157. Victor II... Germany... 1055-1057 (Bishop Gebhard of Eichstidt.)
158. Stephen X... Germany... 1057-1058 (Abbot Frederick of Montecassino.)
159. Benedict X... .?... 1058-1059 (John Mincius Conti, bishop of Velletri.)
160. Nicholas II... France... 1059-1061 (Bishop Gerard of Florence.)
161. Alexander II... Milan... 1061-1073 (Anselm Badagio, bishop of Lucca.)
162. St. Gregory VII... Soana... 1073-1085 (Cardinal Hildebrand.) [Clement III, antipope.]
163. Victor III... Benevent... 1087-1087 (Desiderius, duke of Capua, abbot of Montecassino.)
164. Urban II... France... 1088-1099 (Otto de Lagers, cardinal-bishop of Ostia.)
165. Paschal II... Bieda... 1099-1118 (Cardinal Rainer.) [Albert and Theodoric, antipopes.]
166. Gelasius II... Gaeta... 1... 1118-1119 (Cardinal Johannes Cajetani.)
167. Calixtus II... France...1119-1124 (Guido, count of Burgundy, archbishop of Vienne.)
168. Honorius II... Bologna... 1124-1130 (Lambert, cardinal-bishop of Ostia.)
169. Innocent I... Rome... 1130-1143 (Cardinal Glegory Papy.) [Anacletus, antipope.]
170. Celestine II... Citta di Castello... 1143-1144
171. Lucius II... Bologna... 1144-1145 (Cacciauemici)
172. B. Eugenius III... Montemagno... 1145-1153 (Bernardus, abbot at Rome.)
173. Anastasius IV... Rome... 1153-1154
174. Adrian IV... England... 1154-1159
175. Alexander III... Siena... 1159-1181 (Roland Bandinelli.) [Victor, Paschal, and Callixtus, antipopes.]
176. Lncius III... Lucca... 1181-1185
177. Urban III... Milan... 1185-1187 (Bishop Humbert of Milan.)
178. Gregory VII... Beneventum... 1187-1187
179. Clemelnt III... Rome... 1187-1191
180. Celestinie III... Rome... 1191-1198
181. Innocent III... Anagni. ... .1198-1216 (Cardinal Conti.)
182. Honorius III... Rome... 1216-1227 (Savelli.)
183. Gregoury IX... An agni... 1227-1241 (Conti.)
184. Celestine IV... Milan... 1241-1241 (Castislione.)
185. Innocent IV... Genoa... 1243-1254 (Fieschi.)
186. Alexander IV... Anagni... .1254-1261 (Conti.)
187. Urban IV... France... 1261-1264 (Jacob Pantalean, patriarch of Jerusalem.)
188. Clement IV... France... 1265-1269 (Guido Fulcodi.)
189. B. Gregory X... Piacenza... 1271-1276 (Theobald Visconti, archdeacon at Liuge.)
190. Innocent V... ... Savoy... 1276-1276 (Peter de Tarantaise.)
191. Adrian V... Genoa... 1276-1276 (Fieschi.)
192. John XXI... Portugal... 1276-1277 (Peter Julian, bishop of Tusculum.)
193. Nicholas III... Rome... 1277-1280 (Cardinal John Cajetan Orfini.)
194. Martin IV... France... 1281-1285 (Simon de Brie.)
195. Honorius IV... Rome... 1285-1287 (Savelli.)
196. Nicholas IV... A... Ascoli... .1288-1292 (Cardinal Jerome, bishop of Tusculum.)
197. St. Celestine V... Isenia... .1294-1294 (Peter, an eremite.)
198. Boniface VIII... Anagni... 1294-1303 (Benedict Cajetan.)
199. B. Benedict XI... Treviso... 1303-1304 (Boccasini.)
200. Clement V... France... 1305-1314 (De Gout, archbishop of Bordeaux.)
201. John XXII... France... 1316-1334 (Cardinal Jacob de Esne.) [Nicholas, antipope.]
202. Benedict XII... France... 1334-1342 (Cardinal Jacob Fournier.)
203. Clement VI... France... 1342-1352 (Cardinal Peter Roger.)
204. Innocent VI... France... .1352-1362 (Cardinal Stephen Aubert.)
205. B. Urban V... France... 1362-1370 (Abbot at Marseilles.)
206. Gregory XI... France... 1370-1378 (Cardinal Peter Roger.)
207. Urban VI... Naples... 1378-1389 (Prignano, archbishop of Bari.) [From 1378 to 1410 occurs the great Western Schism, during which, in conflict with the line of popes inserted in the catalogue, is found a rival line residing at Avignon-Clement VII 1378-1394; Benedict XIII 1394-1410. The Council of Pisa, 1410, deposed both rival popes; but Benedict XIII remained in schism till his death in 1424.]
208. Boniface IX... Naples... 1389-1404 (Cardinal Peter Tomacelli.)
209. Innocent VII... Sulmona... .1404-1406 (Migliorati.)
210. Gregory XII... Venice... 1406-1409 (Coriario.)
211. Alexander V... Bologna... 1409-1410 (Cardinal Peter Philargi.)
212. John XXIII... Naples... 1410-1415 (Cardinal Cossa.)
213. Martin V... Rome... 1417-1431 (Cardinal Otto Colonna.)
214. Eugenius IV... Venice... 1431-1447 (Condulmero.) [Felix, antipope.]
215. Nicholas V... Sarzana... .1447-1455 (Thomas de Sarzano.)
216. Calixtus III... Spain... 1455-1458 (Cardinal Alphons Borgia.)
217. Pius II... Sieia... 1458-1464 (AEneas Sylvius Piccolomini.)
218. Paul II... Venice... 1464-1471 (Barbo.)
219. Sixtus IV... Savona... 1471-1484 (Cardinal Francesco della Rovere.)
220. Innocent VIII... Genoa... 1484-1492 (Cardinal John Baptist Cibo.)
221. Alexander VI... Spain... .1492-1503 (Cardinal Rodrigo Borgia.)
222. Pius III... Siena... 1503-1503 (Cardinal Francis Piccolomini.)
223. Julius II... Savona...1503-1513 (Cardinal Rovere.)
224. Leo X... Florence... 1513-1521 (Cardinal de' Medici.)
225. Adrian VI... Netherlands... 1522-1523 (Adrian Florent.)
226. Clement VII... Florence... 1523-1534 (Cardinal de' Medici.)
227. Paul III... Rome... 1534-1549 (Cardinal Alexander Farnese.)
228. Julius III... Tuscany... 1550-1555 (Cardinal del Monte.)
229. Marcellus II... Montepulciano... 1555-1555 (Cardinal Cervino.)
230. Paul IV... Naples... 1555-1559 (Cardinal Caraffa.)
231. Pius IV... Milan... 1559-1565 (Cardinal de' Medici.)
232. St. Pins V... Bosco... 1566-1572 (Michael Ghisleri, cardinal of Alessandria.)
233. Gregory XIII... Bologna... 1572-1585 (Cardinal Hugo Buoncompagno.)
234. Sixtus V... Marchigiano... 1585-1590 (Felix Peretti, cardinal Montalto.)
235. Urban VII... Rome... 1590-1590 (Cardinal Castagna.)
236. Gregory XIV... Cremona... 1590-1591 (Cardinal Sondrati.)
237. Innocent IX... Bologna... 1591-1592 (Cardinal Fachinetti.)
238. Clement VIII... Florence... 1592-1605 (Cardinal Aldobrandini.)
239. Leo XI... Florence... 1605-1605 (Cardinal Octavian de' Medici.)
240. Paul V... Rome... 1605-1621 (Cardinal Camillo Borghese.)
241. Gregory XV... Bologna... 1621-1623 (Cardinal Alexander Ludovisio.)
242. Urban VIII... Florence... 1623-1644 (Cardinal Maffeo Barberini.)
243. Innocent X... Rome... 1644-1655 (Cardinal John Pamfili.)
244. Alexander VII... Siena... 1655-1667 (Cardinal Fabio Chigi.)
245. Clement IX... Pistoia... 1667-1669 (Cardinal Rospigliosi.)
246. Clement X... Rome ... .1670-1676 (Cardinal Altieri.)
247. Innocent XI... Cono... 1676-1689 (Cardinal Benedict Odescalchi.)
248. Alexander VIII... Venice... 1689-1691 (Cardinal Peter Ottoboni.)
249. Innocent XII... Naples... .1691-1700 (Cardinal Anthony Pignatelli.)
250. Clement XI... Urbino... 1700-1721 (Cardinal Albani.)
251. Innocent XIII... Rome... 1721-1724 (Cardinal Conti.)
252. Benedict XIII... Rome... 1724-1730 (Cardinal Orsini.)
253. Clement XII... Floence... 1730-1740 (Cardinal Colsini.)
254. Benedict XIV... Bologna... .1740-1758 (Cardinal Prosper Lambertini.)
255. Clement XIII... Venice... 1758-1769 (Cardinal Rezzonico.)
256. Clement XIV... St. Angelo in Vado…1769-1774 (Cardinal Gianganelli.)
257. Pius VI... Cesena... 1775-1799 (Cardinal Braschi.)
258. Pius VII... Cesena... 1800-1823 (Cardinal Chiaramonte.)
259. Leo XII... Spoleto... 1823-1829 (Cardinal della Genga.)
260. Pius VIII... Cingoli... .1829-1830 (Cardinal Castiglione.)
261. Gregory XVI... Belluno... 1831-1846 (Cardinal Mauro Capellari.)
262. Pius IX... Siniagli... 1846-1878 (Cardinal Mastai Ferretti.)
263. Leo XIII... Carpinetto... 1878 (Cardinal Gioacchino Pesci.)
|Religion / Re: "What Was Early Christianity Like?" by PastorAIO: 12:35pm On Sep 29|
please can you expantiate on this part. Are their discrepancies in the lists of popes, and is this why you deny the apostolic lineage? Can you provide us with the varying lists? Thank you in advance.
|Religion / Re: If The Old Testament Is Of A Perfect God, Why The New Testament?? by PastorAIO: 2:21am On Sep 29|
It didn't say that Jesus death was planned at the beginning. It says that it happened at the beginning.
|Religion / Re: Have Your Pastor Addressed The SCOAN Tragedy? by PastorAIO: 9:11pm On Sep 28|
dorox: When disasters happens, especially one that is close to home it is the usual practice for pastors to talk about it and ask members to pray for those who are directly affected by the disaster. But in the wake of the SCOAN building collapse it appears that most pastors are carrying on with their business like they did not just lose one of their own. So i would like to know if your pastor have asked for your prayers with regards to those who died and those who are receiving treatment as a result of that tragedy.
This matter is too close to their business. When you see roforofo it is better to avoid it lest it splash on you.
|Religion / Re: Have Your Pastor Addressed The SCOAN Tragedy? by PastorAIO: 9:10pm On Sep 28|
|Religion / Re: Who Wrote The New Testament? by PastorAIO: 6:29pm On Sep 28|
Precognitive visions happen to many people, myself included. If it were tied directly to a particular God then how would you explain people following a different religion and different God still having precognitive visions. It happens regardless of your God or religion.
I used to think it was connected to spiritual disciplines ( and maybe it still is) but I noticed that I could get them sometimes when I was at my most spiritually degenerate phase, while other times when I'm 'very spiritual' I do not get them at all. Not to mention the fact that I have no control over them and it is what comes that comes whether it is relevant to my life or not. If I could control it I would be winning the lottery every week. Instead I see where my old discarded slippers are.
The fact is that we live in a mysterious universe of which we haven't scratched the tip of the iceberg of understanding. Maybe the explanation for precognitive visions can be explained scientifically. We can speculate and speculate and speculate but the fact that they happen does not necessarily point to any God or religion.
|Religion / Re: PastorOluT, Lets Talk. by PastorAIO: 1:15am On Sep 27|
Ubenedictus: i really don't know
At noon Benedictus began to taunt jnrbayano. "Shout louder!" he said. "Surely he is pastorOlu! Perhaps he is deep in thought, or busy, or traveling. Maybe he is sleeping and must be awakened."
- 1Kings 18:27
|Religion / Re: What Man Of God Is Pastor Chris Oyakhilome - Femi Aribisala by PastorAIO: 5:59pm On Sep 26|
I didn't ask you any question and it's no skin off my nose if you answer my imaginary question or not. I'm just irritated by the way people like you duck and dive when you are faced with points that expose the duplicity that you harbour.
|Religion / Re: A Jewish Boycott: Is It Possible? by PastorAIO: 4:25pm On Sep 26|
Meyer M. Treinkman totally misunderstood the entire point. Or maybe he didn't but it just didn't suit his purposes to get the point.
The point of the boycott is to put economic pressure on the Isreali state. Not to reject everything that a Jew has ever done. For Iran to do so it would also have to reject Islam and almost all of it's prophets.
The West imposed sanctions on Iran and also Iraq. Yet they did not reject civilisation which, according to historians, has it's origin in mesopotamia, present day Iraq and Iran. They did not stop using our current numerals which were given to us by the Moslem Arabs and greatly helped us to develop our science and maths.
They just stopped buying certain goods in order to put pressure on Iran and Iraq.
Now this Meyer M. Treinkman is also an extremely ignorant soul. He has the gall to ask 'what medical contributions to the world have moslems made'? Not just ignorance but I can smell a whiff of arrogance and self congratulatory puke in his tone.
Without Arab moslems there would be no such thing as surgery today. There would be no such thing as microscopes to research medicine because it is them that developed the use of lenses. There would be no mathematics. But let's just leave it at medicine. He needs to go and discover the contributions of islam to modern medicine.
Check out this link:
|Religion / Re: What Man Of God Is Pastor Chris Oyakhilome - Femi Aribisala by PastorAIO: 3:33pm On Sep 26|
He didn't ask you WHO can answer the question. He asked you who wrote the New testament and what the difference between it and the old testament is. You see how people fail exams.
|Religion / 'we're Sorry For Giving You Algebra' by PastorAIO: 8:02pm On Sep 25|
Muslims around the world have been posting sarcastic messages on social media, in a bid to counter a wave of hostility towards Islam.
|Religion / Re: What Is Existentialism? by PastorAIO: 7:49pm On Sep 25|
Na today? Hasn't this always been the way? You yourself are a prime expert at this 'deciding what is true by ... likes, desires or biases'.
|Religion / Re: Inside TB Joshua’s Broken Temple by PastorAIO: 6:56pm On Sep 24|
Maybe he is one of the ones went to TbJ for healing of Dull mind, but he still hasn't received his healing yet.
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