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Religion / Re: What Is The Book Of Enoch And Should It Be In The Bible? by PastorAIO: 7:13pm
OLAADEGBU:


Your opinion of me is worthless as long as you continue to disdain, doubt, deny and disobey the God breathed word of God in favour of faulty human words and traditions. If you have low opinion of the Word of God why should I be surprised if your opinion of Christians is low since you care less for the truth? To confirm to all that you are either a bad student of the bible or an enemy of truth seeking to denigrate the Word of God, I have taken the pain to fish out the following threads where I either gave clues or was plain as to the criteria used in measuring Scriptures. You can either eat your humble pie or wallow in shame knowing that you've been shown to be a fake "PASTOR".

http://www.nairaland.com/1795370/how-does-translation-process-impact (4th to the last post on the front page)

http://www.nairaland.com/1987455/how-when-canon-bible-put

http://www.nairaland.com/1988852/how-know-which-books-belong



Do you even have the ear or heart to receive it when God says it? It is only those who are ardent truth seekers that will seek God with their whole heart and find Him. The more reason our Lord Jesus gave the following advise when dealing with wolves like you:


The discussion is not about the value of my opinion. My opinion is my opinion and that opinion remains unchanged since you persist in untruths.

Let me list the questions for you again:



1)What are the criteria that we can apply to any text to find out if it is God breathed or not?

2)What does the book of Enoch say that is historically inaccurate?

3)How do you know that Enoch is historically inaccurate and would you apply that criteria to other books in the bible?


Now, you lying little vermin, where did you answer any of these questions. The only thread that I was on of those links that you put up is the first one and you didn't answer any question I asked you then. In fact this was my last comment at the end of the page:


You haven't answered my question.
What are the criteria for including or excluding books? For instance the Book of Enoch. Please why isn't it in your bible since it was quoted in Jude and in 2Peter? What is your opinion of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church? Is their bible also the inerrant word of God or is it only the KJV?
http://www.nairaland.com/1795370/how-does-translation-process-impact#24702445


Question: Why did I say 'you haven't answered my question'?
Answer: Because you did not answer my question.

Question: So why do you claim to have answered my question?
Answer: Because you are a lying vermin.

Question: Do you just stop short at being a lying vermin?
Answer: No, you continue to wallow in all manner of other depravities like claiming that your personal opinions are God's word and hiding behind the word christian to disseminate all manner of contemptible hate speech.

I might be a fake pastor, but you are a fake christian.



Your post is this one: http://www.nairaland.com/1795370/how-does-translation-process-impact#24695578
You said:' to start with ....' You didn't even continue. Why for example would a book like the The sayings of Hosai not be in the canon?
Religion / Re: The Mystery Of Melchizedek Solved! by PastorAIO: 5:18pm

Before we turn to Hebrews for the identification of Melchizedek, remember that this mystery figure is a mystery only to us. Abraham and the King of wicked Sodom knew exactly who he was. They must have seen him before. He could not have been a Canaanite, for they were steeped in pagan customs. And furthermore Canaan was a descendant of Ham, whereas God basically chose the descendants of Shem to accomplish His work.


The Canaanites worshipped a deity called El Elyon, which is translated in the english bible as 'the most high God'. The God abraham was worshipping and the God of the canaanites were one and the same. So it makes sense that in Canaan there would be a priesthood of El Elyon. There is nowhere outside of Canaan where you'll hear of any deity called El Elyon.

I think the rest of the tract is very spurious. I can't begin to unravel it.
Religion / Re: Why Do Atheist Hate Only The "Christian God"? by PastorAIO: 4:53pm
5minsmadness:
I think most atheists here are angry not at God per se, but at certain Born-again christians attitudes towards non believers concerning redemption and eternity. Most born-again christians have a way of being very condescending, as if they have a ticket that no one else has. Even if that were true, the manner and way they approach others, even other christian denominations, leave much to be desired.

I was reading a post on facebook where it was said that the Catholic Pope had renounced Christ. You need to see the way these know-it-all Born-agains commented gleefully on how the catholic church was evil. None of them even took the time to click the link to see it was joke news.
This pride by these group of born-again christians is going to be their downfall because pride blocks the ear to correction.




I think you've hit a very pertinent nail on it's head.
Religion / Re: My Rants And Questions About Religion by PastorAIO: 3:38pm
sinequanon:


This is equivocation. This is a way for science to define itself retrospectively. "If it works it then it was science".

There isn't a being called science that defines that. those were all my words and my name is not science. I was talking about what it take for something to be accepted as knowledge. It has to be tested and when it is tested and it passes the test then it is accepted. This happens in Scientific institutions and it also happens with Babalawos. It is mostly just a/the way the human brain is convinced.



The product of these "witch doctors" is not science. Neither is it accidental science as they sometimes like to call it, or ignorant folks "stumbling" upon facts later verified by science.

Why not? It is tested and appraised on the results of the test. I've never heard of this 'accidental science' but I do know that many many many scientific discoveries are stumbled upon accidentally. Why can babalawos too not accidentally stumble on knowledge?


They are very clear that science is what is published in "respected, peer review journals". When you argue scientifically, that is what is demanded. You can't reject something on this ground one day, and then relax your definition the next.


That is the latest and most fascinating definition of Science that I've ever heard. So until a scientist publishes his work in a 'respected peer review journal' what he has been doing is not science. What about if he decides to keep his discovery secret, or he is working for a government agency that requires secrecy. Does that disqualify him from being a scientist?




I think that is just you missing the point.


Okay, so the point is not that it is european. You had me fooled the way you were going on about.....

That is precisely how you lose your culture instead of developing it.

The ATTITUDE of the diviners and healers towards nature was very different to that found in "modern" medicine and botany.

The modern terminology subsumes the African culture under Western practices and consigns the difference to the rubbish heap.

You are an example of how that process works. You lose your culture because you have accepted the language that consigns it to the rubbish heap.



(Did you mean physician? I don't know what kind of physics a babalawo does.)

Faith healing. Your faith is important in a treatment.

In Western medicine, a treatment is deemed ineffective if it fails a test on a randomly chosen group of people regardless of their attitude towards faith and "superstition".


I meant physics but physician will do if that is easier. (I didn't mean to say that babalawo does physics, I said that the process via which the physicist acquires knowledge is not so radically different from the process of the babalawo).

In western medicine we know for a fact that there is something called the Placebo effect. It is recognised in medicine. We might not know how it works but we recognise it. There is no doubt that one's belief on a number of issues affects the outcome. Tests have been done on this matter in many fields.
Religion / Re: My Rants And Questions About Religion by PastorAIO: 3:18pm
sinequanon:


Don't be lazy. Read properly.

I am impatient with laziness. And I am not as patient as you seem to be, with stupidity.

Do we agree on everything? Have we fought? No. Because neither of us is controlled by dogma.

The problem people are having is that they cannot attack me "successfully" by ignoring my points and attacking some dogma, like religion or science. They try, find that I am not religious or atheist, then they get upset and frustrated.

That is how mainly how things have worked. People rant off topic.

But please show me a thread where I started a fight.



Nope.

Your premise was wrong.

I comment on religion and its limitations.

I comment on science and its limitations.

I do so without pandering to people's sensitivities, hypocrisies and denials.

Folks feel "attacked" and start ranting off topic.

Then I tell them that they are ranting and intellectually compromised. Fact.


I'm not going to get on a high horse and start acting as if I haven't been as rude as you in the past, and even occasionally in the present. I do.

But the challenge I set myself is to develop my abilities as a communicator.

Rather than call people lazy or silly-, I am trying to see their failure to understand as My failure to make myself understood. It works both ways.

I know that there are different levels of engagement when people meet and discuss.

There is the level of comparing arguments on an issue to find the stronger argument. This is just sticking to the topic of the conversation.

Then there are other levels. A common one is status. Some people are so stuck on the issue of being intellectually superior and when they discuss that is the real issue at stake, not the topic of the conversation. everything they do and say will be to maintain that sense of intellectual superiority. If they realise that their arguments do not hold, instead of being happy that someone is correcting their error they instead panic that they are about to lose their authority as the Know-It-All on the issue.

This matter of status, intellectual and enlightened-wise, used to be found mostly in christians and they would often look down on ATR and Muslims and being backward etc. Lately Atheists have become more vocal and they have overtaken christians with being obnoxious on this matter of intellectual superiority. This is partly to explain for why many of the christians here have run away. It was a matter of Overtake don Overtake Overtake which is equal to ODOO = 0.

I understand that many Atheists might take to attacking you personally when they cannot provide an argument to support why they feel intellectually superior to religionists. But by the time you react to them with such belligerence even before they post it makes for No discussion at all. A lot of the threads of you versus the atheists are very tedious to read, even pointless. Overtaking has really resulted in Odoo.

I personally would rather ignore anyone that I can't have a proper conversation with (I could interact with them without really getting into the topic or presenting arguments to them). But then, to each his own.
Religion / Re: My Rants And Questions About Religion by PastorAIO: 2:23pm
ooman:


Wrong again. Change is constant. People change the way they do things to get better result.
I reject the idea that everything modern is western.
Everybody everywhere is learning more and evolving.
Evolving the African culture, so that it can produce better result is not loss of it, but development of it.

Science, technology and medicine are not western culture. Instead, these are modern art which is practised by everybody, everywhere.

The term "western education", to denote the modern educational system is wrong. A university in Mali existed centuries past, before Europeans got to us.

@Sinequanon, I've noticed that you are always fighting. There is no thread, no matter how pleasantly it starts, that you won't turn into a fight. I don't know what the psychological cause of this is. But I seem to get a sense now of where most of your aggression is directed at.

It is directed at the Scientific Revolution that started around the 17th century in Europe. That, it seems, is what you are referring to when you talk of Science this and Science that.

What you don't seem to realise, or maybe you realise but you just choose to ignore, is that Mankind has been doing science from the dawn of time. Those 'witch doctors' that you refer to ARE scientists. Even the science in Europe was derived from what the Arabs left over after they left Spain so it is NOT a european thing. There also seems to be an anti european slant in your posts.

Here is what wiki has to say about the process of the Scientific Method:

Process
The overall process involves making conjectures (hypotheses), deriving predictions from them as logical consequences, and then carrying out experiments based on those predictions to determine whether the original conjecture was correct.[4] There are difficulties in a formulaic statement of method, however. Though the scientific method is often presented as a fixed sequence of steps, they are better considered as general principles.

Making conjectures! This part can come about by hunches, getting inspiration, dreams, daydreaming etc etc. Even the babalawo that learns about herbs from spirits, if he is smart, will only treat the revelation as conjecture. He still has to test the inspiration, either by experiments or some form of trial. If the herbs that the babalawo is using doesn't work according to the hypothetical inspiration, I can assure you, unless he is a daft babalawo, that he will ditch the herbal treatment.

Even the bible which christians read thoroughly before they ignore says, Test all spirits!

Unless you can show me what the babalawo does that is any different from what the european physicist does then I'll concede that you actually have a point.
Religion / Re: What Is Intellect? Ona Kan O Wo Oja! by PastorAIO: 2:00pm
Most of us would agree that Man, a neurological machine, has Intentions. His behaviour is purposeful. when you see a man walking down the street you presume he is going somewhere, he has a destination and he can take any number of paths to get to his destination.

You don't think the same thing when you see a ball rolling down the road. Instead of looking for the destination it is trying to get to you instead look for what caused it to roll down the road. You look to where it is coming from, probably with the expectation that you'll see a kid that kicked the ball running after it.


Why do we allow for teleological explanation when studying the behaviour of a system such as Man. But we do not allow for teleology when studying any other systems. You do not walk into a forest, an ecological system, and presume that it is teleologically driven.

If you are in such a forest and you feel a presence, what is it that you are experiencing? Is it some sense of a teleological process? These feelings do occur, but should we dismiss them as products of an over active imagination or is it possible to get a sense of a teleological process?
Religion / Re: Should Catholic Tradition Have Equal Or Greater Authority Than The Bible? by PastorAIO: 12:39pm
adsonstone:


OLAADEGBU did not indicate that he believes both concurrently, he has only posted an article from the site which he (may) believe/s is true.

You might need to familiarise yourself with Ola a bit more.
Religion / Re: What Is The Book Of Enoch And Should It Be In The Bible? by PastorAIO: 10:19pm On Dec 19
OLAADEGBU:


Let me give you excerpts from the thread where the answers were posted.


My opinion of you is so low that I honestly truly believe that no such thread exists and you've just gone and dug that up from your favourite website and then you've lied, because of course you're nothing but a vile unrepentant liar.

OLAADEGBU:

Where you have a problem is that God said it. If God said it and I believe it that settles it for me. Did God say human beings were 450 feet?

When did God say it, and did you hear him say it? Why are you so brave to even Lie on God's head?

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Religion / Re: My Rants And Questions About Religion by PastorAIO: 5:55pm On Dec 18
sinequanon:


The are different paradigms, of course. And the one that is used most in everyday technology is the Newtonian one.

It works fine in its domain, and technology has not ground to a halt because the theory is not the best for sending a probe into outer space.

There is no particular, immediate reason in technology for theories to be unified. Two theories works fine.

I must have misunderstood you. I believed you said that they do not conflict with each other. How do two theories that operate on 2 'different paradigms' not be in conflict.

I never said anything about how well it works. I said that we have 2 different theories of gravitation and you said:
There is only ONE theory of gravity. What your low intelligence calls another one is found in Albert Einstein's theory of general relativity. I wont teach you this one. Go find out yourself why they dont conflict.

Can you name one technology or scientific application that makes simultaneous use of both theories?
Religion / Re: My Rants And Questions About Religion by PastorAIO: 5:46pm On Dec 18
There is a danger that this will go round and round because we have different definitions for the terms.

Religion is a means of inquiry, too. Prayer is a means of inquiry. Bible study is a means of inquiry.

How can you say this and then hardly a minute later you are drawing a distinction between Science and technology?

If I make a scientific discovery and apply it to create a new technology, do you call that technology science?

If I discover through my local prophet that winches are going to attack me to night and I fast and pray religiously for deliverance, It seems that your can happily wrap the entire process under the umbrella of religion. But you are not willing to consider the application of science as technology to be under the wing of Science.

Sounds like double standards to me.

And science is an ideology. It is a way of observing the world and defining what is and isn't "real".
I will not deny that there is an ideological aspect that scientists bring into their science when they do science. But to say that science is an ideology sounds dumb. Science can spawn ideologies and support ideologies. But I guess it all depends on what you mean when you say Science. I'm referring to a methodology that is commonly called the scientific method.


Science has social myths, too
. Just look at eugenics, for example. Any form of inquiry is subject to mythology. What do you think makes scientists immune from all the corruption that goes on in every field of human endeavour?

Example please. I don't get how Eugenics is a social myth. could you explain that?


What do you think makes scientists immune from all the corruption that goes on in every field of human endeavour?

I never said scientists were immune from anything. The fact that there is corruption going on in a court of law does not mean that the Laws of the country are wrong or corrupt. The human element corrupts it.

That is no explanation. Just labels. What is considered yeye yesterday can be considered disciplined tomorrow. There is a lot of retrospection, and science is certainly no exception.

What do you understand by the term Rigour, and by Degrees of freedom?


In what way do people kill themselves over religion, that is not economics?

Check out the 30 years War in Germany. Also the English Civil War.

sinequanon:


Religion is a means of inquiry, too. Prayer is a means of inquiry. Bible study is a means of inquiry.

And science is an ideology. It is a way of observing the world and defining what is and isn't "real".



Science has social myths, too. Just look at eugenics, for example. Any form of inquiry is subject to mythology. What do you think makes scientists immune from all the corruption that goes on in every field of human endeavour?

Making heroes of people is common in historical accounts. Isaac Newton, Albert Einstein etc. they have been turned into heroes for cultural reasons. When Einstein was asked if he got E = mc^2 after reading about Lorentz' derivation of space time transformation, he said that he couldn't remember! Yet, it is Einstein who gets all the accolades.



That is no explanation. Just labels. What is considered yeye yesterday can be considered disciplined tomorrow. There is a lot of retrospection, and science is certainly no exception.



What is meant by 'progress' is absolutely central to why science is an ideology. People take for granted that their destiny is to control and exploit the environment. It is out of this ideology that science defines reality. "If it can't potentially be commandeered, ignore it -- it isn't real."

In what way do people kill themselves over religion, that is not economics?
Religion / Re: My Rants And Questions About Religion by PastorAIO: 5:26pm On Dec 18
Ancient History
Around fourth century CE, the famous Hindu astronomer, Bhāskara II in his work Surya Siddhanta wrote: "Objects fall on the earth due to a force of attraction by the earth. Therefore, the earth, planets, constellations, moon and sun are held in orbit due to this attraction." Newton rediscovered this 1200 years later.

Newton's theory of gravitation

In 1687, English mathematician Sir Isaac Newton published Principia, which hypothesizes the inverse-square law of universal gravitation.

A discrepancy in Mercury's orbit pointed out flaws in Newton's theory. By the end of the 19th century, it was known that its orbit showed slight perturbations that could not be accounted for entirely under Newton's theory, but all searches for another perturbing body (such as a planet orbiting the Sun even closer than Mercury) had been fruitless. The issue was resolved in 1915 by Albert Einstein's new theory of general relativity, which accounted for the small discrepancy in Mercury's orbit.

In general relativity, the effects of gravitation are ascribed to spacetime curvature instead of a force.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitation

Newton worked with a fixed Euclidian space so I do not see how his theory and Einstein's can be the same. They differ already in their understanding of the attributes of Space.
Religion / Re: My Rants And Questions About Religion by PastorAIO: 5:16pm On Dec 18
RikoduoSennin:


Yes it has been fulfilled.

Penticost 33 CE.

The prophecy above is different from human conscience- something all humans have since the beginning.

So the law that he writes on their hearts ... is it the abolished law? Or another law that we still have to keep?
Religion / Re: My Rants And Questions About Religion by PastorAIO: 3:55pm On Dec 18
Bros, Science cannot be like religion and they are incomparable, in function and in methodology. Science is a means of enquiry while Religion is an ideology.

They are applied to different functions. Religion, and social myths, for example are applied to creating coherent societies. For example, Myths of Origin. I'm not aware of any society that does not have myths of Origin. When brought under scrutiny for historical verification the myths might fall apart, but they are not meant to be history in the first place. Their purpose is political.

The Myth of King Arthur was used to created an English Identity. When studied historically we actually find that the character that was developed into King Arthur was actually a warrior who fought against the Anglo-Saxon invaders (in other words he was England's enemy not their founder) in defense of the Britons who were the citizens of the Roman empire that were left over in Britain after the roman empire fell.

I am without doubt that Oduduwa was not the founder of any yoruba peoples. Possibly he was an invader who conquered and oppressed the original inhabitants of Ife.

etc etc etc. Same goes for Abraham story.

But what cannot be denied though is the incredible power of such myths to forge a people into a sense of oneness of identity and of destiny. It is essential to nation building.

Second criticism: There are more than one theory of Gravity. There is the theory espoused by Newton which suggests that masses exert an attractive force on each other. Then there is the other theory invented by Einstein that suggests that gravity is the result of a curvature of SpaceTime. The curvature is caused by masses and by Energy.

What seems to remain the same is Facts of reality. The number of Theories we devise to explain these facts are limited only by our imaginations (not any yeye kind of imagination but a disciplined rigorous imagination).

People do not kill themselves over science but they kill themselves over ideologies. Ideologies can be both religious and secular.

I also question the concept of 'progress' but that might be a bit too far from where this thread is.


joseph1013:
A lil rant (4)

WHAT IF SCIENCE WAS LIKE RELIGION?

How would we make progress if we had different schools of science in different parts of the world, each with their own theories of gravity, electromagnetism and thermodynamics?

Where would we be if proponents of the different theories believed their own theory with certainty and refused to change their minds? What if proponents would prefer to fight each other rather than accept a competing theory?

If science was like this we would make little or no progress. We would be stuck in the dark ages, living short lives in poverty and fear.

Fortunately, science is not like that. In science, disagreements are resolved by resorting to reason, evidence and meticulous study. That is why we have only one theory of gravity, one theory of electromagnetism and one theory of thermodynamics.

As a result, science has helped us make stunning progress in every field from medicine to transportation to communications. Today, we take for granted things that would have been seen as wild science fiction only 100 years ago.

Science is not like that, but religion is.

Why is it that science is making amazing progress whilst religion makes none at all? Why can we not all agree on a god and religion?

There is a simple answer. Science deals with reality and there is only one reality. Religion relies on invented stories and you can invent as many stories as you like.

What you cannot do, is show an invented story to be true. That is an impossibility.

Science has brought us tremendous progress. Religion has brought NONE. Yet religionists want us to believe that the god (whichever version they profess) deserve all our worship and adulation despite the fact that all our progress and achievements have come from us ALONE without his efforts.
Religion / Re: My Rants And Questions About Religion by PastorAIO: 1:07pm On Dec 18
joseph1013:


How can a law be[b] invincible[/b]? Adam hid because there was an express instruction from god (according to the fable). So tell me the express instruction given to Cain and all the people who transgressed before the written mosaic law.

I got thrown by that earlier. I believe she means to say Invisible. And by 'invisible' she means to say Unconscious or subconscious. So, they were not consciously aware of the law.
Religion / Re: My Rants And Questions About Religion by PastorAIO: 8:42pm On Dec 17
philfearon:
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You Asked me if I believe in God,I answered you and said yes...
You now started asking me if I believe in Yahweh again...What God were you referring to previously then?

Yahweh the Noahic God which is not to be confused with Yahweh the Adamic God.
Religion / Re: My Rants And Questions About Religion by PastorAIO: 4:12pm On Dec 17
joseph1013:



So you need to begin by telling us how sins, causatives and punishments were spelt out in the Mosaic law and contrast that with the so-called Adamic, Noahic and Abrahamic law. That is the way to pass in school. Which school did you say you went to again?


I don't know anything about any Adamic covenant, o. But I know htere was a covenant with Noah and with Abraham and with Isaac and with Jacob.

What is a covenant? A deal, to put it succinctly. An agreement.

With Noah God made a deal never to destroy the world by water again. That is the Noah covenant. It did not require anything for Noah to do in return.

With Abraham the deal was that God would give him a whole heap of things if he would cut off the foreskin of his Mr. Johnson and those of his sons.

There are many other covenants in the bible.

I don't think that Noah and Abrahams covenants came with any laws as such, except to chop off the tip of Mister johnson.

Noah's covenant came with absolutely no stipulations on the part of Noah.
Religion / Re: What Is The Book Of Enoch And Should It Be In The Bible? by PastorAIO: 2:28pm On Dec 17
OLAADEGBU:


The ones that were written contain one single continuous thread from Genesis to Revelation and confirms that the ultimate author is God who used holy men to pen down His mind to mankind.

This one still has the gall to show up on the thread without addressing the questions asked of him. This is what you call brazen shamelessness.

DISGUSTING!!!

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Religion / Re: My Rants And Questions About Religion by PastorAIO: 12:15pm On Dec 17
malvisguy212:
you keep on missing my point,the law was invincible to them but they can differentiate between good and evil.

What you seem to be saying, please correct me if I'm wrong, is that they may not have been conscious of the law but they knew the law unconsciously and that is what helps them distinguish good from evil.

Where I cannot agree with you is where you seem to want to separate awareness of good and evil from The Law. If however you mean that the law is not conscious but informs us on good and evil subconsciously I can agree with that.
Religion / Re: My Rants And Questions About Religion by PastorAIO: 12:11pm On Dec 17
IanDiamonds:

Do you believe in YAHWEH the Abrahamic God..?

Aw Lawd!! and if this is answered in the affirmative he will still ask: but do you believe in yahweh the abrahamic god that sent his son and rejects muslims and catholics but only has time for IanDiamonds?
Religion / Re: My Rants And Questions About Religion by PastorAIO: 12:08pm On Dec 17
RikoduoSennin:

What REALLY are you driving at.....Do you want to know why Cain was punished to be a wanderer? Or you are just looking for faults and who to blame?


malvisguy212:
what he was trying to say is this;as long as the law is not giving yet,cain are not to blame for his action because he don't know the law. But the knowledge of good and evil is being understood, he can differentiate between good and bad infect,when cain killed abel,his conscience judge him.

PastorAIO:


Thank you very mush. I was about to get unto that. in fact I was going to ask if people before the Law had consciences or not. If they did, then what is the conscience based on, the law? Or something else?

Personally I believe human beings are essentially moral creatures. Law or no law, we all have an inner moral compass. Those that know me on NL know that I have always mocked all these 'before the law, after the law' arguments.[/b]


PastorAIO:


[b]My argument is that we all have a moral compass regardless of religion.
Religion gives us nothing when it comes to morality.

What do you mean by Sin? I was under the presumption that you would consider violating the Law to be a sin. Therefore in order to sin you would first have to have a law. That is why I'm drawing attention to the fact that Cain was warned about sin long before 'the law'.



@RikoduoSennin, please you need to follow the thread properly from the beginning. I've stated my objectives and the perspective I'm coming from very clearly. A lot of shenanigans have come out of this 'Before the Law, after the Law' crap. I'm trying to expose it for the inconsistent balderdash that it is.

btw what do you think of this excerpt from the prophets:



“I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 34“They will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,” declares the LORD, “for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”


Has it been fulfilled? When was it fulfilled?
Religion / Re: My Rants And Questions About Religion by PastorAIO: 11:31pm On Dec 16
malvisguy212:
he chose evil.

The commandment was not to eat. Come on! There is nothing about choosing good or evil. This your dance na wa o!

How about you sit down with a pencil and a piece of paper and you try to work out what it is you are actually saying and what you believe and then come back and post here. I won't rush you. Take as much time as you need.
Religion / Re: My Rants And Questions About Religion by PastorAIO: 8:51pm On Dec 16
malvisguy212:
genesis 2:17.
but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge
of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will
certainly die."

And Cain violated this commandment?
Religion / Re: What Is The Book Of Enoch And Should It Be In The Bible? by PastorAIO: 8:49pm On Dec 16
OLAADEGBU:


Yes. Oya, answer my kweshun. cool

No I don't think a donkey talked, neither do I think a snake talked, and I do not think that 450feet giants walked the earth either. I take these stories allegorically not literally.

Now what is your basis for refusing to believe that giants existed? Is it because of lack of archaeological evidence? Is it because of any reason that you have failed to equally apply to your belief in talking snakes?

... just a few more questions for you to flee from answering. Don't pee on yourself trying to answer, it's okay, I'm not actually expecting a response.
Religion / Re: What Is The Book Of Enoch And Should It Be In The Bible? by PastorAIO: 8:44pm On Dec 16
OLAADEGBU:

I remember giving you the answer to your question sometime ago, which you either read or pretended ignorant. Go back to the answer I gave you.
OLAADEGBU:


Below is a link for your perusal as to the inaccuracies of the book of Enoch and why it cannot be considered to be God breathed. When you are done reading this I will then give you the measuring stick by which the inspired Word of God is ascertained.

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Wolves/book_of_enoch.htm

I don't recall you ever answering anything and anyway it is totally besides the point because you have made a promise that when I'm done reading your inane link you would tell me something. What you claim you told me before I read the inane link has no bearing.

If you cannot answer just say so and I'll know that you talk out of your backside without any proof of what you are saying..... oh, hang on. I knew that already.


EDIT: And I asked about 3 different questions. Which one is it that you claim you've answered already? Can you answer the other 2?
Religion / Re: What Is Sola Scriptura? by PastorAIO: 7:08pm On Dec 16
OLAADEGBU:


Why?

Because we don't know who wrote most of the books of the bible. They were assigned authors by tradition.
Religion / Re: What Is The Hypostatic Union? How Can Jesus Be Both God And Man Simultaneously by PastorAIO: 7:06pm On Dec 16
OLAADEGBU:


Can you explain why you think the thread portrays confusion in Christianity?

This man, you even dey online sef. You nor see questions dey wait you on top your Book of Enoch thread. Please go and stand up for your claims.
Religion / Re: My Rants And Questions About Religion by PastorAIO: 7:01pm On Dec 16
malvisguy212:
there are no comandment giving to them but am sure they will learn from there father the command of God from the beginning.

How can there be no commandment and a commandment 'of God from the beginning'? You are contradicting yourself in one sentence. It's quite incredible.

Let's assume that there is a commandment of God from the beginning, cos that's more interesting. Can you tell me what this commandment is?
Religion / Re: What Is The Book Of Enoch And Should It Be In The Bible? by PastorAIO: 6:53pm On Dec 16
OLAADEGBU:


You say "It rebuts Olaadegbu's hero with ease," Does this mean you agree with TheIndustrialist's rebuttals?

I'll answer this question when you demonstrate that you are not a liar by answering my questions as you promised.

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Religion / Re: What Is The Book Of Enoch And Should It Be In The Bible? by PastorAIO: 6:51pm On Dec 16
OLAADEGBU:


Do you believe that humans were as tall as 450 feet as the book of Enoch claims? undecided

Do you believe that a Snake and a Donkey talked as the bible claimed?

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Religion / Re: What Is The Book Of Enoch And Should It Be In The Bible? by PastorAIO: 6:50pm On Dec 16
femidejulius:
A question that need answers... Exactly how did they know what books were inspired by God and what books weren't inspired by God during the compilation and arrangement of the bible?
Anyone to help me?
PastorAIO:
Please can you give us some criteria. Something that we can apply to any text to determine whether it is the authoritative word of God or not.

What does the book of Enoch say that is historically inaccurate? How do you know that it is historically inaccurate? and would you apply such criteria to the other books of the Bible?

Ola, the questions are piling up o. Please don't leave us hanging. remember your promise, Keep it and let the devil be ashamed.

OLAADEGBU:
When you are done reading this I will then give you the measuring stick by which the inspired Word of God is ascertained.
I've read it, please fulfil your promise.

Let me list out the questions thus far:

1)What are the criteria that we can apply to any text to find out if it is God breathed or not?

2)What does the book of Enoch say that is historically inaccurate?

3)How do you know that Enoch is historically inaccurate and would you apply that criteria to other books in the bible?

4)For FemideJulius: When the bible was being compiled How were the inspired books distinguished from the uninspired books?

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Religion / Re: What Is The Book Of Enoch And Should It Be In The Bible? by PastorAIO: 2:54pm On Dec 16
TheIndustrialist:


Excuse me sire...you should also take a look at this.

http://thetruthandlight.wordpress.com/2012/08/31/re-in-defense-the-book-of-enoch/


We should better take a look at the subject at hand in an objective manner. A wholistic and objective approach is indeed better. Thanks

I've read a little, I'll still read the rest when I have more time. It rebuts Olaadegbu's hero with ease, it seems. Actually I was aware of the sheer ignorance in Ola's link but my approach is rather to deal with what Ola himself says rather than deal with the link. So I won't comment until Ola himself answers my opening questions to him.
Thanks for the link though.

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