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|Religion / Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by PastorAIO: 9:26pm|
Ego Eimi = I am (greek)
Eh yeh = I am (hebrew)
Have you heard of Syllogism.
an instance of a form of reasoning in which a conclusion is drawn from two given or assumed propositions (premises); a common or middle term is present in the two premises but not in the conclusion, which may be invalid (e.g. all dogs are animals; all animals have four legs; therefore all dogs have four legs ).
Let's practice a little bit of syllogistic reasoning with Ego Eimi and Eh yeh.
first let's consider these numbers...
2+3 =5 ' 4+1 = 5. Could we therefore say that 2+3 = 4+1? I say yes. This is not even syllogism, it is identity recognition.
Ego Eimi = I am (greek)
Eh yeh = I am (hebrew)
Therefore Ego Eimi = Eh yeh
True or false?
|Religion / Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by PastorAIO: 9:20pm|
I have plenty more, the question is whether or not you can handle it.
If the angel that appeared to Moses came in Jehovah's name then by what name did the one who came to Jacob come by.
Was he a renegade angel?
Moses was not asking god's name cos 'he already knows it', you say.
You also say Jacob was not asking god's name 'he already knows it', he was asking the angel's name.
Maybe Moses too was just asking the angel's name, abi?
|Religion / Re: Atheists On Nairaland Plagiarize The Work Of Foreigners On Online Forums. by PastorAIO: 12:12pm|
If the people being plagiarized were not foreigners by compatriot nigerians, would that make the plagiarization any better. You seem to find the fact that it is foreigners being plagiarized particularly offensive.
|Religion / Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by PastorAIO: 4:43pm On Oct 16|
1.Please you'll have to tell me what captivity has to do with God's name. Does it change when you're not in captivity to another form when you are in captivity?
2. They were all angels.
2And the angel of the Lord appeared to him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush. He looked, and behold, the bush was burning, yet it was not consumed. Exodus 3
The burning bush was an angel (Moses), the wrestler was an angel (Jacob).
|Religion / Re: OAP Freeze's Biblical Misinformation On Collection Of Tithes by PastorAIO: 12:58pm On Oct 16|
And what exactly did Abraham and his entourage do with the Tithe that they gave to Melchizedek?
Let me give a hint:
24I will take nothing but what the young men have eaten, and the share of the men who went with me. Let Aner, Eshcol, and Mamre take their share.”Genesis 14
Hmmm, so the men ate the tithe. Just like the Israelites were commanded to eat their tithe. I'm sure that they also ate of the bread and wine that Melchizedek brought. So all around I can imagine much feasting and merriment.
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|Religion / Re: Des Pensees by PastorAIO: 3:37pm On Oct 12|
I like Spinoza and Descartes, but I'm not in agreement with their division of attributes into Thoughts and Extensions. I think that they've treated the matter of Thoughts far too superficially. Also the matter of bodies as extensions.
Sensory Experience is not limited to extended bodies. They seem to take bodies as they only objects of sensory perception, I disagree. We can also perceive objects like, for instance, Melody. A melody is an object that we perceive and recognise by it's various distinctive attributes. However it is not a body extended in space. Therefore, not all objects are bodies. Non corporal objects exist that have their own distinctive structures.
|Religion / Re: Des Pensees by PastorAIO: 1:26pm On Oct 12|
Deepak Chopra, a case study
For a while now I have noticed a funny cat and mouse dance between religious leaders and Science and I've wondered at it. After some thought I've come to the following conclusions...
1) Humans are genetically inclined to receive certain information on Trust from certain sources that are recognised as Authorities. As babies we see our parents as authorities and accept what they tell us unquestioningly. This is necessary for the species because plenty of cultural information (much of it needed for survival) is downloaded into children quickly thanks to trust which would not be learned quickly enough if the child had to assess and weigh each information before believing it.
2) Other Authorities besides are parents include religious Authorities. Religious Authorities have enjoyed a long run of unquestioned Trust for many many centuries.
3)With the Scientific Revolution in Europe, a lot of Authority was wrested away from the Church and Religion in general and reposed in the Scientific community. It was a long hard fought battle but today people Trust Science a lot more than they Trust religious authorities.
4) There is a seething jealousy that is so palpable you could cut it with a knife that Religious authorities feel towards Scientific Authorities.
It is expressed in one of two ways. a) They try to denigrate Science and Scientific Authority. or b) They try to mimic and adopt scientific expressions in the hope of having Scientific authority rub off on them.
5) So you sometimes hear things like, 'Oh, but it is JUST a theory'. Just a theory!!? Theory of Gravity is 'just a theory' but it's done more for humanity than most other beliefs we've had. How pathetic!
6)But the most insidious is when they try to co-opt Scientific authority to support some dubious belief or the other. Like claims that they've found scientific evidence to prove the flood occurred, or they've found Noah's ark etc etc etc.
7) Deepak Chopra is probably the world's number one fake assed dubious user of scientific jargon to support some fake assed mysticism. The truth is I think that He just picks soundbites from Science and from Eastern mysticism and joins them together to sell books, but he is fake in both disciplines.
|Religion / Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by PastorAIO: 1:06pm On Oct 12|
The question was simple. What did he do as Yahweh that was Greater than what he did as El Shaddai?
Wouldnt you like to know, ha-ha-haaah
Ah! You don't know!! no wahala.
Interestingly, "reveal my name, Yahweh, to them" is about making the important information known, especially one of a personal nature,
Lolololol!! Alawada Oshi!!
From simple I am that I am you are now extrapolating to I will have to be whatever is necessary for me to have to be.
You have now reduced your god to something that is subject to necessity.
Of course, I recognised that to be true for a long time now and that is why I know that that egregore that you worship is not the true Divinity.
|Religion / Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by PastorAIO: 12:57pm On Oct 12|
You can research all you like, but once you can admit that Chapter 34 was not written by moses, and chapter 34 is a part of the torah, then it follows that the Torah, in it's entirety, was not written by Moses.
Very simple, really. And it's not a matter of opinion, it is a glaring fact.
|Religion / Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by PastorAIO: 12:54pm On Oct 12|
The point is simple. We know that Chapter34 was not written by Moses. Chapter 34 is part of the Torah. So therefore the Torah, at least in it's entirety, was not all written by moses. Some redaction has taken place and Chapter 34 is a glaring example of that.
|Religion / Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by PastorAIO: 12:52pm On Oct 12|
Oh, you want to stick to just Abraham Isaac and Jacob even though the bible says that people started calling the name Jehovah from the time that Seth gave birth to Enosh. Genesis 4: 26
So what happened, they knew the name of Jehovah from the time of Seth but then they had forgotten by the time of Abraham (or what).
Please tell me the Miracle that yhwh performed in egypt that was greater than what he did in Genesis 19 when he rained down fire and sulphur from heaven to come and destroy 2 whole cities and all the surrounding valleys. This was even in the lifetime of Abraham sef.
Further more how did the miracles in egypt reveal the meaning of the name Jahweh (I am who I am)?
|Religion / Re: Des Pensees by PastorAIO: 9:10am On Oct 09|
|Religion / Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by PastorAIO: 9:08am On Oct 09|
Is chapter 34 not a part of the Torah again?
|Religion / Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by PastorAIO: 9:05am On Oct 09|
There is no mistake on which my view is based. The fact that Moses' death was reported in chapter 34 is clear evidence that the book was not written by Moses.
Perhaps it was based on writing by Moses in part but the book as we have it was BOT written by Moses.
Unless you want to argue that chapter 34 is not a part of the Torah.
|Religion / Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by PastorAIO: 9:01am On Oct 09|
I don't need references. I asked a question which was two fold.
1. What great acts did Yahweh do that he didn't do the like of before moses. What did he do in Egypt that was greater than flooding the whole world with water? What did he do that was greater than confounding the language of the whole world. What did he do that was more than making a geriatric woman bear a child? What did he do that was greater than destroying two great cities with a fire from heaven?
2. How did the acts subsequent to meeting Moses reflect the meaning of his name 'I Am who I am'?
|Religion / Re: The Top 10 Lies About Atheism By Nigerians by PastorAIO: 10:24pm On Oct 08|
Yes I know the joke however I think it is significant that filmmakers feel motivated to spend their resources dramatising it. Why are they bothered? I think that whatever is going down in nollywood etc is an I
Portent marker of the state of wider Nigerian society.
|Religion / Re: Des Pensees by PastorAIO: 2:34pm On Oct 08|
You're getting there but I believe that you have a quite some way to go before you become as stark raving mad as I am.
What if that thing that could quell your other urges was itself an urge whereby you won't feel contentment until you connect with it. Yet once you do all your other urges like a wild beast that has been tamed will become like plasticene in your hands. To shape and do with as you will.
|Religion / Re: The Top 10 Lies About Atheism By Nigerians by PastorAIO: 10:39am On Oct 08|
|Religion / Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by PastorAIO: 2:12pm On Oct 07|
Please address the parts that I bolded and highlighted in red. They are the basis of this interpretation and they are all obviously speculations.
Moses’ question likely was related to the
Really? What about when Jacob asked the very same question?
29 Then Jacob asked him, “Please tell me your name.” But he said, “Why is it that you ask my name?” And there he blessed him.
What were the circumstances of Israel when Jacob asked that same question? What about the fact that in those ancient times to know the name of a god was considered as having the power to summon the god?
Now the Majesty of Ra was the creator of heaven and earth, of gods, men, and cattle, of fire, and the breath of life; and he ruled over gods and men. And Isis saw his might, the might that reached over heaven and earth, before which all gods and men bowed; and she longed in her heart for that power, that thereby she should be greater than the gods and have dominion over men.
There was but one way to obtain that power. By the knowledge of his own name did Ra rule, and none but himself knew that secret name. Whosoever could learn the secret, to that one—god or man—would belong the dominion over all the world, and even Ra himself must be in subjection. Jealously did Ra guard his secret, and kept it ever in his breast, lest it should be taken from him, and his power diminished.
A true name is a name of a thing or being that expresses, or is somehow identical to, its true nature. The notion that language, or some specific sacred language, refers to things by their true names has been central to philosophical study as well as various traditions of magic, religious invocation and mysticism (mantras) since antiquity.
The ancient Jews considered God's true name so potent that its invocation conferred upon the speaker tremendous power over His creations. To prevent abuse of this power, as well as to avoid blasphemy, the name of God was always taboo, and increasingly disused so that by the time of Jesus their High Priest was supposedly the only individual who spoke it aloud — and then only in the Holy of Holies upon the Day of Atonement.
These are facts about the attitude of ancient people to names. Even in yoruba till this day they believe that if you can know the true Oriki of an object you will access all the powers inherent in the objects. These names form the incantations which are used to prepare herbs and various objects for various uses.
Now if the people of Israel already knew the name 'Jehovah' and Moses was told to tell them that 'jehovah' sent him then what a nonsense to say that Elohim or Adonai 'would not have meant much to them'. It wouldn't have meant anymore or anyless than Jehovah which they knew a long time already.
Yet in all this you haven't demonstrated how Jehovah changed after he revealed his name to Moses. What did he do thereafter that he hadn't done before. Did he kill more people than he killed in the flood? Did he confuse the languages of the Whole world tenfold? Did he make a barren woman have children, like Sarah? What exactly did he do that reflects the name Jehovah that he hadn't done before?
Now, on the name Jehovah, your write up now demonstrates a willingness to go against the entirety of Theology just to wriggle out of this tight spot.
You have now resorted to making God a temporal Creature. Subject to time like everything else. you changed 'I Am' to 'I am becoming'. Either the writer is theologically and philosophically daft or he is just trying to be disingenuous. Talkng about the relation of the verb Ehyer to Hayah. These are just tenses. They are related the same way Running is related to Ran, or Will Run. Past tense, present tense, future tense, Present continuous.... etc.
That is not the idea that the name represents to Jews, certainly not to Jesus. To become means that you are evolving. You become what you were not yesterday. I become great means that I wasn't great before. Becoming occurs in time/temporally so in order for Jehovah to become he has to be subject to Time. This idea transcends the Hebrew language and can be translated into other languages ( so there is no hiding behind any fake hebrew ha'yah, which is actually the past tense ). In fact it is translated to Greek in the New Testament.
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
'I am' in Greek is Ego Eimi. Jesus did not say before Abraham I am becoming. The idea is that he transcends time, this is Jesus' understanding of the name of God but then if you feel you know more than Jesus in this matter I cannot hold you.
The joke inside is that some people like Muttleylaff who isn't even a JW will jump on the bandwagon because he thinks that it is a way out of the cesspit that he has dug himself into.
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|Religion / Re: Des Pensees by PastorAIO: 12:16pm On Oct 07|
This will be difficult but I'll try at some point.
|Religion / Re: Des Pensees by PastorAIO: 12:15pm On Oct 07|
I’d like to start with what we can say we know incontrovertibly. We find ourselves experiencing this world both as an external phenomenon and internally.
What we can say for sure is that there is Experience.
What is it that we experience? I would say that our topmost and most relevant experiences are of our Urges. We all experience different Urges. The Urge to have Sex. The Urge for Shelter. The Urge to be recognized as a ‘somebody’ in Society.
We are beset on all sides by Urges and they toss us to and fro like winds of a storm at sea.
Part of our experience is the sense that our awareness is only partial and there are vast swathes of the universe of possibilities that we are not fully aware of. Further more these unknown possibilities can suddenly emerge into our awareness and we may or may not like it when it does.
These urges form the basis of our emotional lives. If any of our Urges are gratified then we can feel happiness, joy, relief etc.
If any of our Urges are not gratified we can feel frustration, angst, anger, sadness etc..
It would seem that the key to happiness is the gratification of our basic Urges.
However things are not so simple cos a lot of the time these Urges are contradictory. The boy that wants to go out and play football also at the same time might really yearn to pass his exam to get into university. These two Urges are at odds. Which one should he seek to gratify?
So these Urges toss us back and forth as in a storm and we are confused. We think we want something but once we get it we realize that we didn’t really want it that much anyway. Etc etc etc..
Is there a course that we can pursue that can put all these raging Urges to rest? Something that can say to the Storm, ‘Peace, Be Still’, and all the turmoil will come to rest. Is there something within us that is lying dormant, that we can awaken. ‘Wake up na, Can you not see that we are perishing?’, and when it awakens it puts an harness on all the turbulent Urges that batter us from all sides?
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|Religion / Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by PastorAIO: 4:12pm On Oct 05|
Unless I mistakenly read all the parts of the article where arguments were built on 'possibly', 'likely' and 'might'. Were those words not used to present the points on which the argument is based.
you mean chapter 34
No, I mean the claim that the bible was never redacted or revised. In chapter 34 we see a clear example which you have admitted where an addition was made to an orginal text.
|Religion / Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by PastorAIO: 4:08pm On Oct 05|
So what were the great miracles that were performed that weren't performed before Moses? And how did those miracles express the idea of 'Eheieh' , ie 'I Am'.
|Religion / Re: Reasons Why I Know Obama Is Not A Christian by PastorAIO: 11:52am On Oct 05|
Wow I've just been lead to this old post where someone is lashing out at me for being around in a thread when Jesus was called a bastard. This is how pained and troubled some folks are that they just lash out stupidly. If I was present at the thread and they saw me were they not present too. So it must be there fault too that Jesus was called a bastard. lol.
|Religion / Re: Des Pensees by PastorAIO: 5:53pm On Oct 04|
Free hand outs under a new government scheme. First come first serve.
|Religion / Des Pensees by PastorAIO: 12:12pm On Oct 04|
Out of admiration for the thread by Joseph1013 called My Thoughts And Questions, http://www.nairaland.com/2045070/thoughts-questions-religion, I would like to start my own thread where I can download my perception on various issues without having my thoughts scattered from thread to thread. This way I don't have to comment on too many other threads but can just keep all my activities limited to one thread, things will be easier to find that way.
I won't start today, but let me just open the thread for now.
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|Religion / Re: The Top 10 Lies About Atheism By Nigerians by PastorAIO: 11:56am On Oct 04|
Sorry, I only catch them half way through when I'm at the barbers or somewhere. I don't actually sit down and watch them.
|Religion / Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by PastorAIO: 11:55am On Oct 04|
Whether it was months or years doesn't really change the point that the writings were added to and redacted.
You wouldn't say that with certainty. Neither have I said that with certainty. I said that It 'suggests that ... '.
In fact you have said nothing with certainty and I've noticed that for quite a while now. It is a technique commonly used by conspiracy theorists.
Your posts are littered with phrases like ...
Rather than building an argument with certain facts the argument above is built with 'maybes', 'likely', 'may well', 'possibly' etc etc etc. And then from that it jumps to a definite conclusion.
Go and buy any wacky conspiracy theory book and notice the same style of argument. 'Maybe the aliens came', and 'Maybe the Aztecs were there', and then 'Possibly there was global communication' and then 'we can't fully rule out the existence of fairies' and then they take all the maybes and possibilities ( no matter how far stretched) and jumped the the firm conclusion that ALIENS CREATED HUMANS. qed.
|Religion / Re: The Top 10 Lies About Atheism By Nigerians by PastorAIO: 11:38am On Oct 04|
Atheism has really landed in Nigeria o! I just got back yesterday and was amazed. How do I know that it is having a big cultural impact? Well because they are starting to make Nollywood films with atheist characters in them. The Atheists are always the bad guys though.
|Religion / Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by PastorAIO: 1:14am On Oct 04|
So what idea did yhwh express after meeting Moses that he didn't express before then that was a full expression of the name YHWH , I Am.
|Religion / Re: Is The Hebrew Monotheistic Belief A Product Of Religious Syncretism? by PastorAIO: 3:55pm On Sep 29|
So what acts did yhwh do after meeting Moses that he didn't do before then that was a full expression of the name YHWH , I Am.
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