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Religion / Re: Rising Atheism By Deji Yesufu by PastorAIO: 11:09am On Sep 26
GeneralTee:

Kirk discusses three men that changed the face of modern sociology. They are Karl Marx, Frederich Nitchzhe and Sigmund Freud. Marx gave us Socialism and Communism. Nitchzhe suggested that “God is dead”. He invented the “Superman” and his thoughts brought about fascism. Freud developed modern psychiatry. All of them great men but all of them avowed atheists. Kirk argued in his book that there was a great deal Christians could learn from atheists’ criticism of religion and if Christians will do this, they will be the better for it.

Nietzsche's thoughts did not bring fascism. Nazis distorted this thoughts to support their ideology. Pretty much the same way that Jesus did not teach the greater part of what is called christianity today.

Freud: There is a difference between Psychology and Psychiatry.

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Religion / Re: Rising Atheism By Deji Yesufu by PastorAIO: 11:02am On Sep 26
GeneralTee:
The Protestant religion brought light to Europe; it opened the search for knowledge in science and birth the industrial revolution of the 19th century that gave us modern science. Therefore the true Christian faith shares a great deal with atheists and if they will listen to the gospel, they will end up by far greater Christian scholars than many. Case in point: C. S. Lewis.

Are you joking?!! shocked shocked shocked

Can you back up any of these claims that you are making here? How did protestantism open the search for knowledge in science?

How the hell did it birth the industrial revolution? And how did industrial revolution give us modern science?

and what exactly is this great deal that the 'true' Christian faith shares with Atheists?

Of all the wrong facts presented by the OP these are the most glaring.

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Religion / Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by PastorAIO: 11:52am On Sep 25
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Evidently you are confused again as is the norm. It's either there are lies upon lies (that you can list as evidence) or i'm not a liar.

There are lies upon lies and You are a liar.

I pointed it out to you, but I'm willing to do so again.

1) You accused me of saying that the inhaler was a sign of faith when I said no such thing. You purposely chose to misunderstand what i said.

I had questioned your claim that throwing away her inhaler was a sure sign that she didn't have faith in God. You are just twisting and writhing like a cornered serpent that has a torchlight shining on it.

2) You say you are not discrediting the pastor when there are clear posts that you are. Then you try to writhe your way out of it but redefining the meaning of discredit and claiming that calling him a mushroom pastor is not discrediting him. You're pathetic.

3) You then try to slip in some nonsense about a pastor/prophet being 'nationally acclaimed' before they can be valid. Yet we know in the bible that many prophets like Jeremiah were not nationally acclaimed but were in fact victimized by the authorities. And there are passages in the bible attacking the 'nationally established' prophets. You are even prepared to lie on the bible's head if that will suit your agenda.
Religion / Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by PastorAIO: 11:42am On Sep 25
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i noticed that you struggle to cope with 'long' posts and i replied you appropriately, but you decided to ignore that and pokenose instead. Your lazy self should have read that i earlier addressed what you are asking. No barren woman was recorded to do anything with Elijah. That is how you make clumsy mistakes and blame God for your crass irresponsibility. The widow of Zarephath SHARED her food with Elijah. She didn't throw away her food,and it wasn't some unknown unverified priest that spoke. It was indeed the Word of God.

How do you know the word of God? Is it not human beings that told you that something was the Word of God?

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Religion / Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will NEVER Be A Christian Again. by PastorAIO: 6:12pm On Sep 24
gaelllic:




Don't bother. Quantum physics is basically nonsense.

Religion / Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by PastorAIO: 4:36pm On Sep 24
Kai! See lies upon lies!!


If an inhaler is not a relevant point, why do you hypocritically mention it as a sign of faith in God? Are you confused again? There is no Word of God that says to throw away or keep an inhaler as a sign of faith, is there?

Where did I say that the inhaler (in toto) was not relevant? Maybe you're not a liar maybe you just didn't read what I said properly so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and repeat what I said again -

YOUR claim that you can have faith without throwing away an inhaler is NOT a relevant point.
What is relevant is YOUR claim that throwing away her inhaler is a sure sign that she didn't have faith in God.



There is no Word of God that says to throw away or keep an inhaler as a sign of faith, is there?

See yourself, monkey!! You actually say things like that as a serious point of your argument. As if the writer of the bible could even imagine that such a thing as inhaler could exist. If they see inhaler they will call it magic.

i'm not discrediting the pastor BTW.

Really? Hmmmm... What is this?
Your 'proof' of faith is obedience to an unscriptural instruction from her pastor.

Now show us how your pastor friend followed Christ in telling the girl to throw away her inhaler as faith in God?

not on the unbiblical instruction of some mushroom pastor.

So all the above and more is not an attempt to discredit the pastor? Lying hypocrite!!

And if he is not a 'nationally established pastor' nko, does that not discredit him?

Even the idea of a nationally established pastor is so utterly stupid.

nationally acclaimed prophet

Ezekiel 13: 2“Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel, who are prophesying, and say to those who prophesy from their own hearts: ‘Hear the word of the Lord!’

i have NEVER claimed that he is not a man of God. i hardly care [/b]if he is or not.

That you obviously don't care is the most glaring thing in all you've said. You don't care for the truth of any matter.

Paul asked christians to follow him as he followed Christ. Not daftly like zombies.

So if you follow Christ daftly like a zombie then you are damned, abi?

It is not biblical. Jesus and no bible character ever asked anyone to throw away anything to show faith. There are litererally hundreds of miracles in the Bible. No such faith was required for the miracles to be done.

So now if a miracle is not in the bible then that miracle cannot occur.


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If an inhaler is not a relevant point, why do you hypocritically mention it as a sign of faith in God? Are you confused again? There is no Word of God that says to throw away or keep an inhaler as a sign of faith, is there?
i'm not discrediting the pastor BTW. i have simply stated that faith should not be placed on a pastor and his sayings, but on God and His Word. i have referred to the pastor as 'mushroom', not to discredit him but in contrast to an ESTABLISHED nationally acclaimed prophet like Elijah or Elisha or Jesus that was illegally brought up. i have NEVER claimed that he is not a man of God. i hardly care if he is or not. What i have clearly and consistently said is that nobody should have faith in men's sayings and blame God. Having faith in men's sayings is simply a GAMBLE.
Paul asked christians to follow him [b]as
he followed Christ. Not daftly like zombies. He said that even if him or an angel were to bring another gospel i.e something different from the ways and teachings of Christ, we should not follow such. Another place says Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever. The meaning and context of the verse may be lost on you and on many, but it is actually referring to HOW you FOLLOW men of God. You follow them KNOWING that Jesus is unchanging. If the person is bringing up something not Jesusic or Christlike as it were, you are free not to follow. This zombiehood that you (with your self acclaimed enlightenment) misread is what make gullible people do anything their pastor/prophet says, like sleep with them, eat grass, stepping on them, flogging them etc. It is not biblical. Jesus and no bible character ever asked anyone to throw away anything to show faith. There are litererally hundreds of miracles in the Bible. No such faith was required for the miracles to be done.

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Religion / Re: Neo Platonism by PastorAIO: 3:06pm On Sep 24
plaetton:

...and competing with each other for prominence.

At different times, bits and pieces of various strands of ideas fused together.

Yup! and in fact many of the various strands had their origins in Judaism which was multifaceted too. It was the Pharisees that believed in the resurrection of the Body, not the Sadducees.
Religion / Re: Neo Platonism by PastorAIO: 2:35pm On Sep 24
sinequanon:


I haven't finished reading the OP, but the parallel between goodness and light seems to me to be quite arbitrary and vague, yet it is key to the flow of the author's "argument".

Myself, my starting point would be "suffering". In acknowledging suffering, we acknowledge both experience and potential. Suffering expresses an awareness of the difference between what is experienced, and concept or idea (Idea) of what potentially "could be". It is coupled with a sense of frustration or "obstructed power" -- the belief that there is a way out of the suffering that is obscured or confounded by our condition.

Suffering is a natural starting point in the discourse of emanation and forms (if that is the paradigm you wish to follow).

As in, "I know, therefore I am", so, "I suffer, therefore I could be".

This is so fascinating. I almost want to start another thread just to discuss these things you are saying.

While I can't speak for Plotinus, I think your criticism depends on how you're reading the passage and there is more than one interpretation.

When he says 'Goodness, Like light, ...', he is not necessarily suggesting an essential similarity in the ways Goodness and Light work. Rather he might be saying that the similarity is superficial but follows the same pattern. For example if I say that, ' I eat garri just like a gardener shovels soil into a wheelbarrow', I am not suggesting that there is an indelible connection between the way I eat and the way the gardener works. I'm just saying that visually, superficially the way a garderner works resembles the way I eat.

So Goodness in the way it diffuses itself is similar to the way that light diffuses itself. And perhaps also the way that salt in a cup of water diffuses itself, and a fart in the wind diffuses itself.




Suffering as a starting point for religious practice is a strong argument and in fact one that I totally agree with a embrace.

However I'm not sure whether you mean it as a basis for cosmogony.
Religion / Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by PastorAIO: 2:19pm On Sep 24
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Notice the bold "even as". You do not follow man blindly, you follow them as they follow Christ. That is what the passage says. Now show us how your pastor friend followed Christ in telling the girl to throw away her inhaler as faith in God?

Men worship Christ. Should you then worship a man as he worships christ? Can you not see how nonsensical you are sounding, just because you want to twist a text whose meaning is quite clear.
Religion / Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by PastorAIO: 2:18pm On Sep 24
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Duh, settle the point and stop running far from it. We were talking of a girl that threw away her inhaler on the intruction of a pastor, remember? That is not faith as God did not tell her that, she can have faith without throwing away her inhaler. Do you now understand that, or you have any scriptures that say otherwise?



Notice the bold "even as". You do not follow man blindly, you follow them as they follow Christ. That is what the passage says. Now show us how your pastor friend followed Christ in telling the girl to throw away her inhaler as faith in God?


Yes, we're talking about a girl who threw away her inhaler. You claim that you can have faith without throwing away an inhaler. That is not even a relevant point. What is relevant is that You claim that throwing away her inhaler is a sure sign that she didn't have faith in god.

How is throwing away your inhaler a sign that you don't have faith? Is that not a stupid thing to say? Isn't it daft? Jesus said that a christian should be able to pick up snakes and the bite will be harmless. It's like you've come along and said anybody that touches a snake has no faith in Christ's words.

You desperately want to discredit this pastor, but this is a man we don't know. We have no information about him other than that he is a pastor. Yet you claim that he is not a man of your god. You are just trying to disown him because he is a proven failure, just as you are, but the truth is biting you.

Paul was a man, just like the pastor, and in a passage that made it's way into the jumbled up collection of texts that you worship and revere so much he asked a church to follow him as he followed Christ. You can play your semantics any way you like but that passage puts the lie, Big lie, to your statement that:

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You gamble when you do not hear from God. When you hear from man and from yourself, you would be gambling. When you hear from God and can confirm it, you can take it to the bank.

The Corinthians Heard from Paul and paul insisted in the passage that they hold on to his teachings.

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Religion / Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by PastorAIO: 1:31pm On Sep 24
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You're starting to ramble and lose focus throwing in a lot of fallacy for a short post. Faith is in God, not on the unbiblical instruction of some mushroom pastor. Is that clear now or you have a Bible passage that says otherwise?

if you like hear rambling, despicable hypocrite! Everything I said point for point was addressing something that you'd said prior.

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I'm not here to make you happy or open your understanding.

I know you cannot make me happy. Bigots can't make me happy, they only rile me up.

You say that you only have Faith because it is faith in God not a person. But you will not accept if a moslem says the same thing.

Meanwhile both you and the moslem haven't spoken to god directly o, you can only make reference to a bible that was written by men no more 'mushroom' than the pastor that you are trying to distance yourself from.

Abi, did God personally give you the bible that you are reading, or did you get it from some 'mushroom' bookstore, as advised by some 'mushroom' religious leaders?


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Faith is in God, not on the unbiblical instruction of some mushroom pastor. Is that clear now or you have a Bible passage that says otherwise?

1 Corinthians 11King James Version (KJV)

11 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

2 Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you.
Religion / Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by PastorAIO: 12:41pm On Sep 24
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Your 'proof' of faith is obedience to an unscriptural instruction from her pastor. That is not faith in God, and any faith not in God is no faith. If you cannot take that, it's your problem not mine. i've simply explained the situation of things, I'm not here to make you happy or open your understanding. Faith in God has absolutely nothing to do with throwing things away, you are free to disprove that using the Bible. Faith is not a gamble. You've never seen me or read me jump up and down praising God for gambles. What was that rubbish you said about Claiming to know what is the contents of somebody else's heart again? AIO has been a hypocrite for the many years i've known him, I'm not surprised.

You're certainly not here to make me happy. You are here to spread your bigotry. That can't make me happy, and I know that you know that.

By the way, a hypocrite is someone who holds a double standard. Like for instance saying that your religion is true because you have Faith (evidence of what is unseen) but Islam is not true even though that too is based on Faith (evidence of things unseen).

The Gambler too believes in things unseen (or at least he stakes his future on things unseen). What is the difference between a Gamble and your Faith again? Please explain it.
Religion / Re: Neo Platonism by PastorAIO: 10:08am On Sep 24
TheClown:
Very nice topic though but My question to Pastor; What is the negative influence of neoplatonism in early Christianity. I say early Christianity because Christianity today is far from holding a single philosophy.

I do not think that early Christianity held a single philosophy either. There were a lot of strands of ideas that were very very tangled up.

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Religion / Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by PastorAIO: 9:34am On Sep 24
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i answered you already, you were too busy fumbling with your knickers perhaps. i said NO FAITH. Anything not based on God is unbelief. Ever heard "have faith in God"?
You're blindly bent on winning a useless semantics argument as against understanding the primary issue at hand. Not my problem, not my fault. But you should know by now that's not happening.

You're talking absolute nonsense.

You are resorting to that typical bigotry that you often resort too. Claiming to know what is the contents of somebody else's heart and whether they are 'true scotsmen' or not. At no point in the story did we hear that the woman had faith in the pastor, she had faith in no one else but God.

I find it despicable, the way people such as you go about victim blaming when it's obvious that you nothing but a scam. When any of your claims fail then you can blame the failure on the victims lack of faith. How disgusting!!!
Yet if she never had an asthma attack ever again you will be the first to jump up and down praising your God who is nothing more that a projection of your bigoted self.
Semantics ko, Jagbajantis ni.

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Religion / Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by PastorAIO: 11:08am On Sep 23
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Faith has to be IN God to be regarded as true faith, i've consistently harped on that.Trusting some unverified unbiblical unliving word of man is no faith.It's a gamble.
Olboy, let me ask my question again in as simple engrish as I can manage.

I didn't ask you what she had faith IN.

I asked you, and I ask again, Whose Faith did she use to throw away the inhaler? Was it her own personal Faith, or was it a faith she perhaps borrowed from you?

Talk o, whether na you get the faith wey she dey use that is why you are so sure it is not her personal faith.

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Religion / Re: Èjì Ogbè (baba Ifa) by PastorAIO: 7:38am On Sep 23
yes o, you have an ifa student here. Please continue with part two. Also don't forget to touch on Iyaami and Olokun and the ebo-s of Eji Ogbe.

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Religion / Re: Every Nigerian Atheist Should Be Outspoken by PastorAIO: 7:19am On Sep 23
gaelllic:


Alright.

PREAMBLE

Look. You sound a reasonably bright dude. But, not uncommonly among this type, your mind is mostly an accounting machine gathering numbers. No depth, no shade, no real sophistication, no colour. Just processor speed. So we'll have to do this slowly. I don't quite mean to offend, it's just what it is. Preamble done.

Now.

You do understand that, concerning any given system, one cannot pronounce on what is (wholly) good or (wholly) evil without a total knowledge of that system's workings?

E.g. If we eradicated flies for their nuisance, we'd inflict damage on the earth's biosystem. Damage that would occur as an eventual surprise if we did this prior to our current knowledge of bio-dependence.

You do understand, therefore, that one would require total knowledge of the universe to pronounce definitively on the (whole) good or (whole) evil of any event at all?

Thus you do understand that Omniscience alone can even rule on the matter of whether this or that thing is good or evil to begin with?

The case is mere logic, you understand?



The consistency with which you guys (yeah, you fit into a general type) spout arrogant conceits is truly overwhelming. Why are you talking down to the guy with words like, 'You sound a reasonably bright dude'? Are you so sure that YOU are smart enough to presume to make an assessment of his intelligence? But let's put your revolting arrogance to one side...

You say, rightly, that to make an appraisal of whether something is Good or bad the Appraiser will have to be Omniscient. I agree. Now with what Omniscience did you arrive at the conclusion that God is Good?

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Religion / Re: What Is The Invisible Pink Unicorn Argument? by PastorAIO: 7:04am On Sep 23
analice107:

Free style man, No shakes.

Oya o, where were we? Yes.... What happened to the tabernacle in heaven?

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Religion / Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by PastorAIO: 7:00am On Sep 23
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Don't be disingenuous, personal faith is clearly bold thy, your. Faith is on God, not on pastor words.

So whose faith did the lady in question use to throw away the inhaler?

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Religion / Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by PastorAIO: 9:16pm On Sep 22
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i'm sure you do not have a selective or partial brain and that you read my post to AIO. i do not say that faith is personal, the Bible says so. Scratch that, Jesus says so several times. If anyone knows anything about faith, Jesus does.

Mat 9:29 Then touched he their eyes, saying, According to your faith be it unto you.
Mar 10:52 And Jesus said unto him, Go thy way; thy faith hath made thee whole. And immediately he received his sight, and followed Jesus in the way.
Mar 5:34 And he said unto her, Daughter, thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace, and be whole of thy plague.
Luk 18:42 And Jesus said unto him, Receive thy sight: thy faith hath saved thee.

I didn't see the word personal in any scripture that you quoted above o! Unless you want to say that the woman we are discussing did not use her own faith to throw away the inhaler. It was HER faith that made her believe that it was okay to throw away her inhaler. abi?
Religion / Re: What Is The Invisible Pink Unicorn Argument? by PastorAIO: 8:46pm On Sep 22
analice107:

Whatever keeps you awake through the night. keep it up

Don't worry, you just keep posting your stupidities, I dey your back.

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Religion / Re: Plagiarism In The Bible? by PastorAIO: 8:45pm On Sep 22
felixomor:


Says the fallacy peddler.

*Yinmu* shocked

It's okay, you can have the last word. Go on then! I won't respond after this.
Religion / Re: Plagiarism In The Bible? by PastorAIO: 11:40pm On Sep 21
felixomor:


Very funny, Hehehehe..... undecided

Who is laughing with this one? you're not even supposed to get it. It's you I'm laughing at, not laughing with. Mumu!!

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Religion / Re: Money Orisha ~ Money Charm ~ Money Spells by PastorAIO: 11:39pm On Sep 21
AnonyNymous:

If these are the declarations of your god to the lazy person, why then would it assist such a person in getting magical money? Shouldn't it 'let him die' as well?


I just noticed that after all what he said at first he then proceeded to offer the lazy man charms to become rich. What a contradiction!

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Religion / Re: Plagiarism In The Bible? by PastorAIO: 11:30pm On Sep 21
adjoviomole:


Oya draw a sphere on a piece of paper n tell me if its not flat grin

If you can draw a cube on a piece of paper for me that is not flat I'll commission you for a lot of money to draw a perfectly obedient and curvaceous wife for me that I can marry tout suite.
Religion / Re: Plagiarism In The Bible? by PastorAIO: 11:27pm On Sep 21
felixomor:



angry Fallacy of illogical conclusion.

shocked shocked grin grin grin grin

lwkmd.

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Religion / Re: Plagiarism In The Bible? by PastorAIO: 5:54pm On Sep 21
felixomor:


2Cor 3:6 .............for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life

I can see the letter is really killing many of u here.

Does being inspired stop a person from airing his opinion?

Answer.

So when you say the bible is inspired what you mean is that the authors are just airing their various opinions. I agree with you.

Me too, I was inspired this morning to prepare akara and akamu for breakfast instead of corn flakes. The inspiration just hit me and I must say it was a delightful breakfast.

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Religion / Re: Plagiarism In The Bible? by PastorAIO: 4:15pm On Sep 21
felixomor:


Exactly. He was inspired to say so, so as to help us differentiate it. So we wont get confused.

Wait o! He was inspired by God to tell us that what he had to say was not inspired by God. No, we won't get confused.
Religion / Re: Money Orisha ~ Money Charm ~ Money Spells by PastorAIO: 3:28pm On Sep 21
Babalawos:
This Was The Ifa Cast For The Lazy Person

INCANTATION

He who sleeps until the sun is overhead

He who relies on that which is possessed through inheritance exposes himself to suffering

If we do not toil and sweat profusely today

We cannot become wealthy tomorrow

"March through the mud"

"I cannot march through the mud"

"If we do not march through the mud

Our mouths cannot eat good food"

These were the declarations of Ifa to the lazy person

He who possesses strong limbs but refuses to work

He who chooses to be idle in the morning

He is only resting for suffering in the evening

Only toiling can support one

Idleness cannot bring dividend

Whoever refuses to work

Such a person does not deserve to eat

If a lazy person is hungry, please let him die

Dead or alive, a lazy person is a useless person

Ase o


I wish our pastors and the christians in nigeria will read this because they are always looking for quick and easy money. None of them wants to work hard to earn their living. Country of beggars.

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Religion / Re: Odù Ifá: Learn How To Interprete Ifa by PastorAIO: 3:23pm On Sep 21
Babalawos:



Thank you! So which area would you like me to touch?


What are the ebo of Ejiogbe? especially regarding the Iyami. And also regarding Olokun.
Religion / Re: What Is The Invisible Pink Unicorn Argument? by PastorAIO: 11:50am On Sep 20
sonofluc1fer:

Lmao cheesy grin

One of those words that they do not even know the meaning of.
Religion / Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by PastorAIO: 11:39am On Sep 20
joseph1013:
"Polytheism gave birth not merely to monotheist religions, but also to dualistic ones. Dualistic religions espouse the existence of two opposing powers: good and evil. Unlike monotheism, dualism believes that evil is an independent power, neither created by the good God, nor subordinate to it. Dualism explains that the entire universe is a battleground between these two forces, and that everything that happens in the world is part of the struggle.

Dualism is a very attractive world view because it has a short and simple answer to the famous Problem of Evil, one of the fundamental concerns of human thought. ‘Why is there evil in the world? Why is there suffering? Why do bad things happen to good people?’

Monotheists have to practise intellectual gymnastics to explain how an all-knowing, all-powerful and perfectly good God allows so much suffering in the world. One well-known explanation is that this is God’s way of allowing for human free will. Were there no evil, humans could not choose between good and evil, and hence there would be no free will. This, however, is a non-intuitive answer that immediately raises a host of new questions. Freedom of will allows humans to choose evil. Many indeed choose evil and, according to the standard monotheist account, this choice must bring divine punishment in its wake. If God knew in advance that a particular person would use her free will to choose evil, and that as a result she would be punished for this by eternal tortures in hell, why did God create her? Theologians have written countless books to answer such questions. Some found the answers convincing. Some don’t. What’s undeniable is that monotheists have a hard time dealing with the Problem of Evil.

For dualists, it’s easy to explain evil. Bad things happen even to good people because the world is not governed single-handedly by a good God. There is an independent evil power loose in the world. The evil power does bad things.

Dualism has its own drawbacks. While solving the Problem of Evil, it is unnerved by the Problem of Order. If the world was created by a single God, it’s clear why it is such an orderly place, where everything obeys the same laws. But if Good and Evil battle for control of the world, who enforces the laws governing this cosmic war? Two rival states can fight one another because both obey the same laws of physics. A missile launched from Pakistan can hit targets in India because gravity works the same way in both countries. When Good and Evil fight, what common laws do they obey, and who decreed these laws?

So, monotheism explains order, but is mystified by evil. Dualism explains evil, but is puzzled by order. There is one logical way of solving the riddle: to argue that there is a single omnipotent God who created the entire universe – and He’s evil.

But nobody in history has had the stomach for such a belief."

~ Excerpts from Yuval Noah Harari's "Sapiens: A Brief History of Mankind"

There is one logical way of solving the riddle: to argue that there is a single omnipotent God who created the entire universe – and He’s evil.

No there isn't!! There is another logical way. That is the way of ATR, most specifically Ifa.

Eledumare created everything. Including the Iyami (witches), the Orisha, The Ajoguns (evil forces), and Elenini (the Detractor/Obstacle dude) etc etc etc ... all the forces.

He also created Esu who governs the interaction between all these forces.

Esu does Eledumare's will of procurring food for all his children/creations. Witches feed on the wicked people. Witches need to eat. How will they find wicked people? Esu can tempt people to wickedness and thus expose them to the witches. Esu is a helper of all the Ajoguns and Eleninis.
But he is also a helper for the righteous, and he helps them achieve their destinies etc. The entire theatre proceeds under the umbrella of the cosmic Law of Eledumare.


In ancient Egypt Horus is in a perpetual struggle with Seth and this drives history. The struggle has a pattern. Sometimes Seth is winning and sometimes Horus is winning. Even that cosmic pattern called the struggle between Horus and Seth can come under threat from a greater disorder. That of Apophis.. So Horus and Set have to get together to fight Apophis.

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