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Religion / Re: How Does The Translation Process Impact The Inspiration, Inerrancy Of The Bible? by PastorAIO: 3:12pm
OLAADEGBU:

I am almost certain that you have not read that in your Bible before. You definitely need Blessed Instruction Bringing Life Eternal (BIBLE). This is where the phrase is taken from:

"Kiss the Son, lest He be angry, and you perish from the way, when His wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in Him" (Psalm 2:12).

Let me give you a little life lesson on God's wrath.

Are we competing on who knows more bible verses than who? I think I totally misconstrued what this is all about.

Is your lesson of God's wrath based on your experience? When were you a victim of God's wrath, pray tell?

OLAADEGBU:
The topic is how the translation process impacted the inspiration, inerrancy and infallibility of the Bible. Get your facts right. If you are looking for more verses I can oblige you one more.

and how does the verse you quoted relate to how translation impacts the inspiration, inerrancy and infallibility? Are you saying that meaning cannot be lost in translation?

OLAADEGBU: If you are looking for more verses I can oblige you one more.
"For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit" (2 Peter 1:21).
What it means here is that just as the wind controls the sails of a boat, so also the breath of God controlled the writers of the Bible. The end result was inerrancy just as God intended it to be.

So the Prophecy is now another name for the Bible. Because when you read the bible you read nothing but prophecies. Are you sure that the verse is not referring to certain prophecies found within the scriptures.

20 knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.



If you were an observant student you would have caught the hint I gave in my penultimate response to you.
By the grace of God I am not, and I will never be, your student. Tufiaaaa!!! the very thought is an abomination. Please don't hint be talking straight. If you have anything to say say it straight. If you don't have anything to say then shut up, but don't hide behind 'hints' or whatever.
Religion / Re: Will God's Chosen People Do This ? ( Graphic ) by PastorAIO: 1:32pm
Bidam: Typical escape route. What the discaussion was about was that you wrongly accused me of saying the Abrahamic covenant i posted was somersaulting and a pamphlet read when clearly you do not even know what the whole covenant entails, you can wish it away na u sabi.

What would I be escaping from? if the matter is doing you so much why don't you open a thread on the Abrahamic covenant and I will definitely meet you there. What you are discussing has nothing to do with this thread?

Unless you want to pull the fact that the Ashkenazis that are currently doing Israelis have a right to the land due to Abrahamic covenant in which case I can continue to engage you here.

You don't know what the covenant is, and you cannot provide evidence to support your poo. A covenant is simply a contract. two sides have obligations in the contract. finito.
Religion / Re: Will God's Chosen People Do This ? ( Graphic ) by PastorAIO: 1:10pm
Religion / Re: Will God's Chosen People Do This ? ( Graphic ) by PastorAIO: 1:06pm
I know many Jewish people that are not down with the Zionist Agenda but the situation now in the Jewish community is such that they are afraid to even talk. It's like something dark and evil has crept into judaism and they can do nothing about it. Check out this video:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMwyuEk9u_I

If you are a jew and you try to argue against them you will be dealt with violently.
Religion / Re: Will God's Chosen People Do This ? ( Graphic ) by PastorAIO: 1:04pm
Bidam: Sorry you have made no points so far. The covenant God gave Abraham who started out as a gentile was not ONLY the land of canaan.Abraham was the "FATHER OF MANY NATIONS" but only ONE of them was israel.

I've quickly gone to look at your previous posts again and to be honest I was reading what you had to say within the context of the subject of this thread. I think you were discussing another issue totally irrelevant to this thread. I could be wrong but that is what I get. In which case I shouldn't have even bothered to address your irrelevancies.
Religion / Re: Will God's Chosen People Do This ? ( Graphic ) by PastorAIO: 1:46am
MrAnony1:
Lol, you assume too much.


Now your turn: Can you prove that Israel was purposely attacking Palestinian civilians and not because military assets were situated amongst civilians?
If you can't prove this, then you must ask yourself who the real villian is; Is it the man who fires back at the position of the enemy(who shot him first) or the man who uses his own children as human shields in order to use pictures of their corpses to gain public sympathy?

I cannot prove it because I was not in the meeting of the high command when they gave the order to purposely eliminate civilians. However it is in keeping with many known facts about Zionism and the agenda of it. I have been quoting david Ben-Gurion a lot lately. He is called the Father of Modern Israel. He was the first prime minister and the Leading Zionist.

Here are some of the things he had to say:


The acceptance of partition does not commit us to renounce Transjordan: one does not demand from anybody to give up his vision. We shall accept a state in the boundaries fixed today, but the boundaries of Zionist aspirations are the concern of the Jewish people and no external factor will be able to limit them.

-Speech in 1937, accepting a British proposal for partition of Palestine which created a potential Jewish majority state, as quoted in New Outlook (April 1977)

In Yoruba language there is a concept called Jenfidihe. Vague translation to english, let me use my yansh to balance. Imagine you are sitting on a small bench and someone comes to you and begs you that he is tired, please can you let him just sit on the edge of the bench. Being a kind hearted fellow you agree. Before you know it every two two minutes the guy is just adjusting his yansh to balance properly and 'inadvertently' he's shoving you tighter and tighter off the bench. In a small matter of time you'll find yourself on the floor as the guy adjusts another slight bit more to you total disadvantage. So it is obvious that acceptance of the original partition was just the first step in a bigger plan by the zionists. That is how they've been fi idi he- ing and continue to do so up to today.

More from Ben-Gurion: (please look him up when you have time, don't take my word for it)

"A partial Jewish State is not the end, but only the beginning. ... I am certain that we well not be prevented from settling in the other parts of the country, either by mutual agreements with our Arab neighbors or by some other means. . . [If the Arabs refuse] we shall have to speak to them in another language. But we shall only have another language if we have a state."

As quoted in Chomsky, Noam, 1999.

More Gurion:


But the fighting is only one aspect of the conflict which is in its essence a political one. And politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves. Militarily, it is we who are on the defensive who have the upper hand but in the political sphere they are superior. The land, the villages, the mountains, the roads are in their hands. The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country, while we are still outside. They defend bases which are theirs, which is easier than conquering new bases... let us not think that the terror is a result of Hitler's or Mussolini's propaganda — this helps but the source of opposition is there among the Arabs.

Address at the Mapai Political Committee (7 June 1938) as quoted in Flapan, Simha, 1979.


This should give you a broader view of what is going on.

What is the spirit of the zionists. Are they capable of killing palestinian kids? Really? What is the mood of the Zionist towards those they call Goyim? Some of these videos might throw some light on it for you.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPxv4Aff3IA


Here more on indoctrinating kids:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9bXEVpgyHg

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Religion / Re: Will God's Chosen People Do This ? ( Graphic ) by PastorAIO: 1:16am
MrAnony1:
Where in Gaza would you recommend that Israel return fire to?



I would recommend that Israel cease it's aggression. But I realise that the problem is already too intractable. Israel shouldn't have been formed there in the first place, but now it's too late.


MrAnony1:
In the map of the Gaza strip below, the human settlements are clearly shown in contrast to the wilderness

http://www.poica.org/upload/Image/selectedmaps/gaza.jpg
The link below contains declassified military photos from the Israeli defence showing sites where missiles were fired from. http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/183148
The second link (below) is the The United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees complaining that they found rockets stored in their schools.
http://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/press-releases/unrwa-condemns-placement-rockets-second-time-one-its-schools


Do the Palestinians control the wilderness in that map that I can't actually discern what is what?

Storing rockets in a school does not prove firing rockets from the school. If the school is complaining about the storage how do you think they would react to them coming to fire the rockets from there. You have read too much Israeli propaganda. While I wouldn't say that they have never fired rockets from schools I would not say that it's okay to bomb school children because it is a fact that the Hamas have their bases in schools. But then I think that the major difference between you and I is that I have a much darker opinion of the heart of the Zionists. Bombing schoolkids would fit in with my opinion.

Israelnationalnews.com is as good a source on this conflict as Russia Today is on the issue of Ukraine, or CNN is on the issue of the existence of Weapons of Mass destruction in Iraq. They had satellite images for that one too.
Religion / Re: Will God's Chosen People Do This ? ( Graphic ) by PastorAIO: 12:07am
shdemidemi:

I was actually called when I heard the gospel.

A while ago

To spread the goodnews....

l am still waiting for my own answer though

I told you not to bother. If you don't believe that everybody has a calling from God then I'll accept that.
Religion / Re: Will God's Chosen People Do This ? ( Graphic ) by PastorAIO: 11:56pm On Jul 23
shdemidemi:

How was Lot called?

When was he called?

What could God have called him for?

How were you called?

When were you called?

What would God have called you for?



don't bother answering, those are rhetorical questions.
Religion / Re: Will God's Chosen People Do This ? ( Graphic ) by PastorAIO: 11:51pm On Jul 23
shdemidemi:

Was lot called by God?

He only benefitted from the special relationship that existed between God and Abraham...

Every human soul is called by God. If Abraham was called for a purpose so too was Lot even if the purpose may have been different or not as grandiose. And guess what? You too are called by God. You need to harken to his call.
Religion / Re: Will God's Chosen People Do This ? ( Graphic ) by PastorAIO: 11:49pm On Jul 23
MrAnony1:
So you are not denying that Hamas is attacking from civilian areas?

Where in Gaza would you recommend that they fire their rockets from? Where is the unpopulated area?

And How do you know that Hamas are firing rockets from schools? Where is the source of your information?

MrAnony1:
Are you saying that it is a lie i.e. Hamas are not specifically firing missiles from schools, hospitals and orphanages?
Let me guess the ploy here. ... Okay so he says Hamas are not specifically firing missiles from schools, and then you follow up with 'prove it'. Which everyone knows is impossible. And all the while you fail to answer the question of how you know with such certainty that Hamas is firing from schools and hospitals.

Or he says that he has not said that he knows it's a lie. and then you stretch as much mileage out of that, dipping and diving and ducking here and there .... All the while failing to answer the question of how you know with such certainty that Hamas is firing from schools and hospitals.

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Religion / Re: Can We Trust The New Testament As A Historical Document? by PastorAIO: 11:41pm On Jul 23
frosbel:

I think Joseph is the Father of Jesus, no doubt !

Oh yeah, (in the fleshly sense) but the father of Joseph, who was he? What was his name? What was his lineage?
Religion / Re: Can We Trust The New Testament As A Historical Document? by PastorAIO: 4:58pm On Jul 23
Who is the father of Joseph, father of Jesus?
Religion / Re: Can We Trust The New Testament As A Historical Document? by PastorAIO: 4:56pm On Jul 23
Religion / Re: For Non Catholics: Church Or Bible Which One Came First? by PastorAIO: 3:44pm On Jul 23
lacum: dis is not good. But If u want to continue am gud at it. But 4 d sake of odas who want to learn, pls b civil

Bingo is a british term for when you get something correct. Please don't be offended.
Religion / Re: PastorOluT, Lets Talk. by PastorAIO: 3:24pm On Jul 23
PastorOluT: u guys should keep being selective whiile u seek evidence which is everywhere, providing evidence in history u guys would definitely still see something to say in defense. I said lets look at the present while u all neglected that, u claimed u want the past to reflect the present, then I said ow about the bible to judge? u still neglected that, i think dis thread is fast loosing its purpose even before starting.
NB Italo, if u want me to continue, then lets look at the scriptures (for history u all seek) that we both believe in to judge some of the practices listed.

I think that you've conflated Italo with other people who jumped on the thread. We are guilty of muddying the waters. I think that Tobechi was the main culprit. But that shouldn't stop you from focusing on your discussion with Italo.
After your first response in which you said the Catholic church was founded by Jesus the following is Italo's reply. this is when he asked for historical dates. There is nothing selective there.


italo:

Thanks for your reply. Just to let you know that I have no problem whatsoever with people with differing opinions from mine. What I have a problem with is insincerity and hypocrisy.

Allow me to ask you more questions based on this reply of yours.

1. When you say the Catholic Church was the only Church that existed, you agree it was founded by Jesus Christ?

2. You claim the Church was good until the Papacy ruined it. When did this happen? Give us a date or a timeframe at least...and tell us where you got the information from.

3. Are you serious and sincere when you say "anyone" against the papacy was burned? If you are, please give us the date the papacy went bad and I will provide evidence that what you said is false.

4. You said idolatry came in with veneration of saints. Give us the date when this came in.

5. where did you learn that Mary and statues take God's place...and who told you that prayers must pass through Mary to be legitimate and that she became more important than Christ to the Catholic Church? Pls tell us where the Catholic Church teaches that?

6. You said "The bible no longer became the final authority." Please tell us the date the bible came about, who brought about it, and when was the Bible ever the final authority?

Thanks.

You also said this:
This is funny, asking me to provide dates n time to all these well known facts? Anyways ow I got to know them is not hearsay bt what I read myself over the years, i have read different write ups over the years bt would mention the few I remembered. The foxes book of martyrs among many others, bt as for the acts of the papacy, got info from many different places even online.

To return to my Robbery analogy, if a detective knows for sure that a house has been burgled does that make it irrelevant to try to ascertain the time of the break in? Will that be useless to his inquiry?

Asking for the time something happened has no bearing on whether it happened ... unless of course it didn't happen at all.

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Religion / Re: PastorOluT, Lets Talk. by PastorAIO: 2:32pm On Jul 23
PastorOluT: u guys should keep being selective whiile u seek evidence which is everywhere, providing evidence in history u guys would definitely still see something to say in defense. I said lets look at the present while u all neglected that, u claimed u want the past to reflect the present, then I said ow about the bible to judge? u still neglected that, i think dis thread is fast loosing its purpose even before starting.

NB Italo, if u want me to continue, then lets look at the scriptures (for history u all seek) that we both believe in to judge some of the practices listed.


This is called guilty before proven guilty. Why na? First give the guy historical evidence, if he then says something spurious in defence then you'll have been proved right.

However, thus far, he has only being asking questions so we don't know how he plans to defend, or if he plans to defend, himself from your answers.

If you say that the Roman Catholic Church today has digressed from the Original christianity then you have to say when and how it happened. Isn't that obvious. If you're investigating a robbery will you not try to ascertain when it happened? Will you not ask the householder when he discovered the robbery? If you're doing autopsy on a corpse will you not try to ascertain time of death? Or will you say that it doesn't matter and the body was alive but now it's dead and that's it.

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Religion / Re: For Non Catholics: Church Or Bible Which One Came First? by PastorAIO: 2:17pm On Jul 23
lacum: in oda words, d xtianity jesus founded is diffrent from d bible based xtinity? Abeg explain better

Bingo!! You're bright.
Religion / Re: Will God's Chosen People Do This ? ( Graphic ) by PastorAIO: 1:46pm On Jul 23
striktlymi:

Let me get something straight. Are you saying that a wrong doing would be okay when it is compared with another wrong?



undecided



I guess you are finding it hot in the discomfort of your low chair expecting the next live missile from Hamas? undecided

grin grin grin

This guy, you are giving me some serious giggles here. I'm loving your rhetoric.

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Religion / Re: The Origin Of The Christian(jewish) Vs Islam Conflict, No? by PastorAIO: 1:41pm On Jul 23
cyberuzo: pastoraio; your statement --(" just" because they killed 6 million jews) makes it look as if d genocide was just a casual event. The genocide was a very tragic event that involved the brutal killing and torture of 6 million people (the population of a few countries). The world deemed it fit to give the jews land in compensation for that. Although nothing can equal the value of 6million lives.
Also, the jews just didn't fire their rockets for firing sake. The arabs fired rockets at them first. The jews retaliated in force (though it was a bit like an eye for two eyes) ... Too forceful, infact.
But the israeli pm made a valid point which can't be ignored . He said: while we use our rockets to protect our civilians, Hamas use their civilians to protect their rockets...

Em, hope I didn't derail the original train of thought of this thread

The 'just' in that statement was not suggesting it was casual, but rather that it denoted exclusivity. I can flog you just because you stole my chocolate. In other words I flog you precisely and exclusively because you stole my chocolate and for no other reason.

But having said that I believe that I am still wrong when I think of it. Israel wasn't created just because of the holocaust because zionists had planned it from a long time before the holocaust. Israel was created mainly due to a zionist agenda.

You have mentioned who fired rockets first as if that is where the aggression started. The very first act of Aggression was the creation of the State of Israel. The Zionists expected the Palestinians to react and had prepared for all these eventualities decades before they actually became manifest.

A partial Jewish State is not the end, but only the beginning. ... I am certain that we well not be prevented from settling in the other parts of the country, either by mutual agreements with our Arab neighbors or by some other means. . . [If the Arabs refuse] we shall have to speak to them in another language. But we shall only have another language if we have a state."

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/David_Ben-Gurion

This was said by the father of the State of Israel. The father of Zionism himself. They knew that to take over the land they would have to resort to what he calls 'another language'. They were prepared for the violence.

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Religion / Re: For Non Catholics: Church Or Bible Which One Came First? by PastorAIO: 12:04pm On Jul 23
alentyno: All I know is the bible is more important than the church (ie those doctrines and unnecessary dogmas)

They didn't ask you which one is more important to you, they asked which one came first.


My answer is that the Bible came before Bible-based christianity. However the Christianity that Jesus founded came before the bible.
Religion / Re: Will God's Chosen People Do This ? ( Graphic ) by PastorAIO: 11:52am On Jul 23
Bidam: I didn't, you clearly do not understand what me and shdemidemi were discussing, you jumped in on our conversation.
That wasn't the only part of the bargain. There was a bigger picture which includes Christ and this is where you erred, you accused me of not reading the bible and copying from a pamphlet when you yourself clearly do not know nor understand the nature of the Abrahamic covenant.
I am not interested in your history lessons but what is stated clearly in the Bible. You only talked about land while the The Abrahamic covenant comprised of A. Land B. Seed and C. Blessing.
You can also be ignorant all you want i already quoted bible verses for you to read and be liberated which you stubbornly refused to do so.
So you were oblivious of the fact that you called my post a "clumsy somersault and a pamphlet read" abi? Who is yabing who here? Talk about double standard and hypocrisy.SMH!
You need to read it and be free from ignorance which you have in gigantic proportions.
I don't need to. The Abrahamic covenant is foundational to ALL of scripture. It is key to both old and new testaments and is foundational to the whole program of redemption. The christians are not interested in a land mass and neither am i interested in arguing land with you here which wasn't what me and shdemidemi were talking about before you BOSSED in on my post.Abraham's obedience and relationship with God by Faith before he was even circumscised is the point here and scripture records that through Abraham All the families of the Earth( not canaan which you hinged your arguement upon) shall be blessed. The earth is the Lord and the fullness thereof, we christians are looking forward to a city whose builder and maker is God.

And scripture has told me that if i belong to Christ then i am Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promise( Gal.3:29).I believe the Holy Spirit and Apostle paul here than your lies and history lessons.

Scripture foresaw that God would justify the gentiles by faith and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: ALL NATIONS WILL BE BLESSED THROUGH YOU. SO THOSE WHO HAVE FAITH ARE BLESSED ALONG WITH ABRAHAM, THE MAN OF FAITH( Gal3:8-9). I believe apostle Paul and the Holy Spirit here than your lies and history lessons.

.....so then he is the father of ALL who believe but have not been circumcised, in order that righteousness might be credited to them. And he is also the father of the circumcised who not only are circumcised but who also walked in the footsteps that our father Abraham had before he was circumcised...( Romans 4:11b-12) and lastly i'd rather believe the Holy Spirit and apostle Paul in all these verses i quoted than you lies and history lessons. Cheers!

No wahala. I'm satisfied that you are unable to address any of the points I made. History is now lies.

You can keep yabbing all you want. And continue to somersault your kuru kere somersaulting.
Religion / Re: Will God's Chosen People Do This ? ( Graphic ) by PastorAIO: 11:47am On Jul 23
frosbel:

and why would they do that ?

What an excellent question? It's not like the palestinians just woke up one morning and decide to start bombing Israelis. even the founding fathers of Israel knew it would happen and understood why.

“If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?”
nam123

David Ben-Gurion quotes (Polish born Israeli Statesman and Prime Minister (1948-53, 1955-63). Chief architect of the state of Israel and revered as Father of the Nation, 1886-1973)


"A partial Jewish State is not the end, but only the beginning. ... I am certain that we well not be prevented from settling in the other parts of the country, either by mutual agreements with our Arab neighbors or by some other means. . . [If the Arabs refuse] we shall have to speak to them in another language. But we shall only have another language if we have a state."
Religion / Re: PastorOluT, Lets Talk. by PastorAIO: 11:35am On Jul 23
PastorOluT:

Its still the same arguement, u seek time n date it evenatually derailed which can never be given 'cos it crept in gradually. But going by ur rationale that is using the past to better understand the future, we go further to the time of the scripture which is undeniable (to us who believe anyways).

In the bible times (which is d past u seek) things were done differently from the way roman catholic churches worship. So ow is that for history?

My guy, even if things crept into the church gradually there will be a time when it is ratified. Usually at some church council or the other.

For example, the doctrine of Trinity. We all know that not every christian accepted it and it was only ratified at, I believe though I could be wrong, the Council of Nicea. That was when it was declared that anyone that didn't accept it couldn't call themselves a christian (that was in the 4th century, about 300 years after christianity started). Please if I'm wrong feel free to correct me, my memory of the case is kinda foggy at the moment.

It seems to me that the only thing derailing this thread at the moment is your refusal to answer the questions. This is going on to one whole page of the thread now. A matter that should only take 2 posts.


Can I just make one last question/point? Can anyone please tell me what they understand by this passage in the bible. If the answer is going to be long and derail the thread then don't bother but if you can do a short answer I would appreciate it.

Then said he unto them, Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old. matt 13:52

What new things would a christian scribe bring out of the treasures?
Religion / Re: Will God's Chosen People Do This ? ( Graphic ) by PastorAIO: 3:17am On Jul 23
Bidam: I would have ignored this post but for other viewers who are sincere seekers of truth and might be mislead by your error here i would clarify.Though failure to be circumcised is said to constitute breaking the covenant and ONLY the individual MALE would be cut off and excluded from participation in the promises, nowhere in the bible did it say that individual failure could nullify the UNCONDITIONAL NATURE of the covenant with other descendants of Abraham and this is where the gentiles come in by Faith in Christ. If you wanna argue this you can take it up with Apostle Paul in Romans 4.

Since you are neither a christian nor a lover of Pauline epistles you can read up Gal 3:16, Gal 3:8-9, Gal3:29 to understand what me and shdemidemi are talking about.
The gentiles are not bound by an external law of circumcision to inherit the promises of Abraham. It came through Christ. Full Stop.


And you have missed the hard historical fact which forms the backbone of my post.

God's side of the covenant was to make Abraham fertile and to give the land of Canaan to his descendants.

The Historical Fact is that NO UNCIRCUMCISED PERSON HAS EVER POSSESSED THE LAND FORMERLY KNOWN AS CANAAN AS AN INHERITANCE.

You can somersault all you want but if you believe the abrahamic covenant and it's promise then you will see that it has been fulfilled even up until this present day.

You can yab me all you want and say I am not a christian or a lover of Paul's epistles but that does not change the historical fact that the only people that inhabit Canaan are descendants of Abraham who are circumcised.

I don't need to read any of your passages from Paul... UNLESS ... it addresses your claim that God's promise to Abraham had nothing to do with the inheritance of the Land formerly known as Canaan, and that such inheritance was independed of circumcision.

If you can provide a verse that contradicts this claim that I've made then I'll accept after you cross one more hurdle. The last hurdle will be to then explain how come till today no uncircumcised people in history have settled successfully in the land.
Religion / Re: Will God's Chosen People Do This ? ( Graphic ) by PastorAIO: 2:17am On Jul 23
Anomnity:

You are also fully aware that the terrorists began these provocations
by killing three innocent Israel youths & went ahead to fire rockets into Israel civilian areas when Israel retaliated against Hamas & not against civilians.

Your hypocrisy will expose you.

Research your facts well. Start with studying Zionism. What were their objectives. Check out these quotes from one of the founders of Zionism.


“If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?”
nam123

David Ben-Gurion quotes (Polish born Israeli Statesman and Prime Minister (1948-53, 1955-63). Chief architect of the state of Israel and revered as Father of the Nation, 1886-1973)


Everybody sees a difficulty in the question of relations between Arabs and Jews. But not everybody sees that there is no solution to this question. No solution! There is a gulf, and nothing can bridge it… We, as a nation, want this country to be ours; the Arabs, as a nation, want this country to be theirs.
Written statement (June 1919), as quoted in Time magazine (24 July 2006)


"A partial Jewish State is not the end, but only the beginning. ... I am certain that we well not be prevented from settling in the other parts of the country, either by mutual agreements with our Arab neighbors or by some other means. . . [If the Arabs refuse] we shall have to speak to them in another language. But we shall only have another language if we have a state." - Bear in mind that this was said before Israel was even created. So they already had violence in their minds from the very start.

But the fighting is only one aspect of the conflict which is in its essence a political one. And politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves. Militarily, it is we who are on the defensive who have the upper hand but in the political sphere they are superior. The land, the villages, the mountains, the roads are in their hands. The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country, while we are still outside.

Read more here: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/David_Ben-Gurion
Religion / Re: Will God's Chosen People Do This ? ( Graphic ) by PastorAIO: 1:45am On Jul 23
Bidam: Ok you should understand also that God gave the covenant to Abraham by promise....the abrahamic covenant continue to this day,it is the mosaic covenant which was broken and superseded.Paul emphasized the distinctiveness of the Abrahamic covenant from the Mosaic when he wrote to the galatians.

Na wa for this clumsy somersaulting. Or maybe you don't actually know or have not actually read the Covenant with Abraham from the bible. Forget what the pamphlet that you read said. The Abrahamic Covenant was very simple.

God would make Abraham very fertile and he would have many children.

Those children will live in the land of Canaan and it shall be theirs.

That's God's side of the bargain. The side of the bargain of Abraham's descendants is that they must circumcise their foreskin.


FULL STOP.

Now you are right that the Abrahamic covenant continues to this day. Abraham had many descendants amongst whom we count the Jews and the Arabs.

They inhabit the land formerly called Canaan.

They kept their side of the bargain because they are circumcised, both Jew and Arab.

FULL STOP.

Since that time, no race in the world has been able to take over the Levant and inhabit it. The closest were the Crusaders (I think it was the first crusade) who were uncircumcised europeans. They were driven out.

It would appear that up until today the Abrahamic covenant still stands.


Genesis 17 Common English Bible (CEB)

God’s covenant with Abraham
17 When Abram was 99 years old, the Lord appeared to Abram and said to him, “I am El Shaddai.[a] Walk with me and be trustworthy. 2 I will make a covenant between us and I will give you many, many descendants.” 3 Abram fell on his face, and God said to him, 4 “But me, my covenant is with you; you will be the ancestor of many nations. 5 And because I have made you the ancestor of many nations, your name will no longer be Abram[b] but Abraham.[c] 6 I will make you very fertile. I will produce nations from you, and kings will come from you. 7 I will set up my covenant with you and your descendants after you in every generation as an enduring covenant. I will be your God and your descendants’ God after you. 8 I will give you and your descendants the land in which you are immigrants, the whole land of Canaan, as an enduring possession. And I will be their God.”

9 God said to Abraham, “As for you, you must keep my covenant, you and your descendants in every generation. 10 This is my covenant that you and your descendants must keep: Circumcise every male. 11 You must circumcise the flesh of your foreskins, and it will be a symbol of the covenant between us. 12 On the eighth day after birth, every male in every generation must be circumcised, including those who are not your own children: those born in your household and those purchased with silver from foreigners. 13 Be sure you circumcise those born in your household and those purchased with your silver. Your flesh will embody my covenant as an enduring covenant. 14 Any uncircumcised male whose flesh of his foreskin remains uncircumcised will be cut off from his people. He has broken my covenant.
Religion / Re: German Leftist & Muslim Chant ‘gas The Jews' At Anti-israel Jew-hatred Rallies by PastorAIO: 1:31am On Jul 23
anti-semitism. Are the palestinians not semites? So those who are bombing them must be doing antisemitism too.
Religion / Re: 14 + 1 Religious Lies.... by PastorAIO: 1:26am On Jul 23
pickabeau1:

I will be interested in your thread..

Okay, maybe that will give me the motivation to do it soon. In the meanwhile I'm trying to make some expositions here:
http://www.nairaland.com/524398/religious-practices
Religion / Re: PastorOluT, Lets Talk. by PastorAIO: 1:23am On Jul 23
JMAN05:

You think the circle will stop? lol. this discussion is purely circular.

Italo wil keep shooting the arrow until Pastorolut gives up, then he will use it against him. nothing sincere is intended. I mean if u can read the 'handwriting....'

Yes the circle will stop. It hasn't even started yet. It just wants to begin to start. It has been going in a straight line thus far, nevermind the distractions from people (like us) jumping in and adding irrelevant jara.

I find it curious that you would use the metaphor of 'shooting arrows' to describe his questions. Are you feeling assaulted by the questions? Two people are discussing a matter that they have dragged here from another thread. Did they not agree to have this discussion? Who then is shooting arrows and who is getting struck by arrows?

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Religion / Re: We Are All Aborisha by PastorAIO: 1:12am On Jul 23
GooseBaba:

I find this statement very interesting When you say "Osun is a seer and scouts for Ori," if you don't mind can you elaborate on that? Thanks..

Osun confers clairvoyancy. So it can see the future and the distant events. So it is like a scout that goes ahead of an army and reports back what is up ahead.

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Religion / Re: 14 + 1 Religious Lies.... by PastorAIO: 1:08am On Jul 23
pickabeau1:


So what do you believe


What I believe has no bearing on the topic at hand. I get asked that question at least 2ce a week on NL. I'm going to open a thread soon called 'MY BELIEFS' and then if another person asks me I'll just refer them to that thread. But for the here and now just take this little belief.... :

The Gospels Are Inconsistent As Historical Records.

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