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|Religion / Re: "What Was Early Christianity Like?" by PastorAIO: 5:05pm On Sep 30|
Please, JMAN05, does a contradictory pair of lists mean there is no apostolic succession.
|Religion / Re: What Is Existentialism? by PastorAIO: 2:38pm On Sep 29|
I could if I had the time and energy. I don't have the time or energy for that. those who know you know what you're like.
|Religion / Re: "What Was Early Christianity Like?" by PastorAIO: 2:33pm On Sep 29|
You are a very wicked man!! See as you give me work. I've trawled the internet looking for the lists. I read references to the book but I've only found one list. That of the Alzog's handbuch whatever. I'll paste it below. I wanted to compare the lists by putting them parallel to each other. Anyway, no wahala. (since you have been reluctant to produce the lists yourself would that suggest that you yourself haven't compared the lists but rather you just read an accusation on some website and swallowed it hook line and sinker? That is not an issue anyway, just a thought that occurred to me.)
I could only find one list but I found other things about the books. First this:
From here: https://www.wordnik.com/words/Gerarchia
How do you compare an authoritative work to a non authoritative work and then claim something dubious when they don't tally?
Then I found this:
Owing, chiefly, to the fact that during what is called the Great Schism of the West, there were sometimes several claimants to the Holy See, only one of whom could be the lawful successor of St. Peter, authorities differ concerning the correct list of the Popes. Some reckon that Pius XI is the two hundred and sixty-first successor of St. Peter. Joseph Deharbe, S.J., A Complete Catechism of the Catholic Religion, Sixth American Edition, © 1912/1919/1924 Scwartz, Kirwin & Fauss, p. 68; Book has Nihil Obstat of Very Rev. Edmund T. Shanahan, D.D., Catholic University of America; and Imprimitur of John M. Farley, Archbishop of New York.from here: http://www.lazyboysreststop.org/pope-20.htm
This suggests that the discrepancies occurred at much later dates that what we are talking about. We are talking about the early church, especially about the immediate successors to Peter.
But having said all that, That is not really the part of this discussion that interests me.
Please, ejor, Is it the matter of discrepancies in the lists that is the basis of your rejection of catholicism and the Apostolic succession? Please explain to me why a discrepancies must necessarily mean that the whole issue is false and must be discarded. thank you.
The following is the lists of popes that I found online from the Alzog Handbuch:
1. St. Peter, M... Bethsaida in Galilee 42-67
2. St. Linus, M... Volterra... 67-78
3. St. Cletus, M... Rome... 78-90
4. St. Clement I, M… Rome… 90-100
5. St. Anacletus, M…Athens… 100-112
6. St. Evaristus, M… Syria…112-121
7. St. Alexander I, M… Rome… 121-132
8. St. Sixtus I. M… Rome… 132-142
9. St. Telesphorus, M… Greece… 142-154
10. St. lyginlus, M… Greece… 154-158
11. St. Pius I, M… Aquileja … 158-167
12. St. Anicetus, M… Syria… 167-175
13. St. Soterus, M…Campania… 175-182
14. St. Eleutherius, M… Epirus… 182-193
15. St. Victor I, M… Africa… 193-203
16. St. Zephyrinns, M… Rome… 203-220
17. St. Calixtus I, M… Rome… 221-227
18. St. Urban I, M… Rome… 227-233
19. St. Pontianus, M… Rome… 233-238
20. St. Anterus, M… Greece…238-239
21. St. Fabian, M… Rome… 240-253
22. St. Cornelius, M… Rome… 254-255 [Novatian, first antipope.]
23. St. Lucius I, M… Rome… 255-257
24. St. Stephen I, M… Rome… 257-260
25. St. Sixtus II, M… Athens… 260-261
26. St. Dionysius… Italy… 261-272
27. St. Felix I. M… Rome… 272-275
28. St. Eltychianus… Tuscany… 225-283
29. St. Caius, M… Dalmatia… 283-296
30. St. Marcellinus, M… Rome… 296-304
31. St. Miarcellus I, M… Rome…304-309
32. St. Esebius… Calabria… 309-311
33. St. Melchiades…. Africa… 311-314
34. St. Sylvester… Rome… 314-337
35. St. Malrcus… Rome… 337-340
36. St. Jillius I… Rome… 341-352
37. St. Liberius… Rome… 352-363
38. St. Felix II… Rome… 363-365
39. St. Darnass... Spain... 366-384 [Ursicinus, antipope.]
40. St. Siricius... Rome... 384-398
41. St. Anastasius... Rome… 399-402
42. St. Innocet I... Albano... 402-417
43. St. Zosim... Greece... 417-418
44. St. Boniface I... Rome... 418-423
45. St. Celestine I... Campania... 423-432
46. St. Sixts III... Rome... 432-440
47. St. Leo I, the Great... Tuscany... 440-461
48. St. Hilary... Cagilari... 461-468
49. St. Simplicius... Tivoli... 468483
50. St. Felix II... Rome... 483492
51. St. Gelasius I... Africa... 492-496
52. St Anastasius II... Rome... 496-498
53. St. Symnachus... Rome... 498-514
54. St. Hormisdas... Frosinone... 514-523
55. St. John I, M... Tuscany... 523-526
56. St. Felix IV... Benevet... 526-530
57. Boniface II... Rome... 530-532
58. John II... Rome... 532-535
59. St. Agapetus I... Rome... 535-536
60. St. Sylverius, M... Frosinone... 536-538
61. Vigilius... Rome... 538-555
62. Pelagius I... Rome... 555-560
63. John III... Rome... 560-573
64. Benedict I... Rome... 574-578
65. Pelagius II... Rome... 578-590
66. St. Gregory I, the Great. Rome... 50-604
67. Sabiniaus... Volterra... 604-606
68. Boniface III... Rome... 607-607
69. St. Boniface IV... The Marches... 608-615
70. St. Adeodatus I... Rome... 615-619
71. Boniface V... Naples... 619-625
72. Honorins I... Campania... 625-638
73. Severinus... Rome... 640-640
74. John IV... Dalmatia... 640-642
75. Theodorus I... Greece... 642-649
76. St. Martin, M... Todi... 649-655
77. St. Engenius I... Rome... 655-656
78. St. Vitalianus... Segi... 657-672
79. Adeodatus II... Rome... 672-676
80. Donus I... Rome... 676-678
81. St. Agathon... Greece... 678-682
82. St. Leo II... Sicily... 682-683
83. St. Benedict II... Rome... 684-685
84. John V... Antiochia... 685-686
85. Conon... Thrace... 686-687
86. St. Sergis I... ?... 687-701
87. John VI... Greece... 701-705
88. John VII... Greece... 705-707
89. Sisinnius... Syria... 708-708
90. Constantine... Syria... 708-715
91. St. Gregory II... Rome... 715-731
92. St. Gregory III... Syria... 731-741
93. St. Zachary... Greece... 741-752
94. St. Stephen II... Rome... 752-752
95. Stephen III... Rome... 752-757
96. St. Paul I... Rome... 757-767
97. Stephen IV... Syracuse... 768-771
98. Adrian I... Rome... 771-795
99. St. Leo III... Rome ... 795-816
100. Stephen V... Rome... 816-817
101. St. Paschal I... Rome... 817-824
102. Eugenius II... Rome... 824-827
103. Valentiuns... Rome... 827-827
104. Gregory IV... Rome... 827-844
105. Sergius II... Rome... 844-847
106. St. Leo IV... Rome... 847-855 [Fabulous antipope Joan.]
107. Benedict III... Rome... 855-858
108. St. Nicholas I, the Great… Rome... 858-867
109. Adrian II... Rome... 867-872
110. John VIII... Rome... 872-882
111. Marinus I... Gallese... 882-884
112. Adrian III... Rome... 884-885
113. Stephen VI... Rome... 885-891
114. Formosus... Ostia... 891-896 [Sergius, antipope.]
115. Boniface VI... Rome... 896-96
116. Stephen VII... Rome... 897-898
117. Romanus... Gallese... 898-898
118. Theodorus II... Gallese... 898-898
119. John IX... Tivoli... 898-900
120. Benedict IV... Rome... 900-903
121. Leo V... Ardea... 903-903
122. Christopher... Rome... 903-904
123. Sergius III... Rome... 904-911
124. Anastasius III... Rome... 911-913
125. Lando... Sabine... 913-914
126. John X... Ravenna... 915-928
127. Leo VI... Rome... 928-929
128. Stephen VIII... Rome... 929-931
129. John XI... Rome... 931-936
130. Leo VII... Rome... 936-939
131. Stephen IX... Rome... 939-942
132. Marinus II... Rome... 943-946
133. Agapetus II... Rome... 946-956
134. John XI*... Rome... 956-964 (Octavian Conti.) [Leo 8:antipope.]
135. Benedict V... Rome... 964-965
136. John XIII... Rome... 96S-972 (Bishop John of Ravenna.)
137. Benedict VI... Rome... 972-973
138. Donus II... Rome... 973-975
139. Benedict VII... Rome ... 975-984 (Conti, bishop of Sutri.)
140. John XIV... Pavia... 984-985 (Peter, bishop of Pavia.)
141. Boniface VII... ?... 985-985 (Cardinal Boniface Franco.)
142. John XV... Rome... 985-996
143. John XVI... ... 996-996
144. Gregory V... Germany... 996-999 (Bruno, court chaplain of the emperor.)
145. John XVI... ?... 999-999
146. Sylvester II... France... 999-1003 (Gerbert.) * The first pope who changed his name on ascending the papal throne.
147. John XVIII... Rome... 1003-1003
148. John XIX... Rome... 1003-1009
149. Sergius IV... Rome... 1009-1012
150. Benedict VIII... Rome... 1012-1024 (Conti.)
151. John XX... Rome... 1024-1033 (Conti, a brother of the preceding.)
152. Benedict IX ... Rome... 1033-1044 (Theophylact, nephew of the two preceding.) [Sylvester, antipope.]
153. Gregory VI... Rome... 1044-1046 (Archpriest John Gratianus.)
154. Clement II... Germany... 1046-1048 (Bishop Suidger of Bamlberg.)
155. Damasus II... Germany... 1048-1048 (Bishop Pappo of Brixen.)
156. St. Leo IX... Germany... 1049-1055 (Bishop Bruno of Toul.)
157. Victor II... Germany... 1055-1057 (Bishop Gebhard of Eichstidt.)
158. Stephen X... Germany... 1057-1058 (Abbot Frederick of Montecassino.)
159. Benedict X... .?... 1058-1059 (John Mincius Conti, bishop of Velletri.)
160. Nicholas II... France... 1059-1061 (Bishop Gerard of Florence.)
161. Alexander II... Milan... 1061-1073 (Anselm Badagio, bishop of Lucca.)
162. St. Gregory VII... Soana... 1073-1085 (Cardinal Hildebrand.) [Clement III, antipope.]
163. Victor III... Benevent... 1087-1087 (Desiderius, duke of Capua, abbot of Montecassino.)
164. Urban II... France... 1088-1099 (Otto de Lagers, cardinal-bishop of Ostia.)
165. Paschal II... Bieda... 1099-1118 (Cardinal Rainer.) [Albert and Theodoric, antipopes.]
166. Gelasius II... Gaeta... 1... 1118-1119 (Cardinal Johannes Cajetani.)
167. Calixtus II... France...1119-1124 (Guido, count of Burgundy, archbishop of Vienne.)
168. Honorius II... Bologna... 1124-1130 (Lambert, cardinal-bishop of Ostia.)
169. Innocent I... Rome... 1130-1143 (Cardinal Glegory Papy.) [Anacletus, antipope.]
170. Celestine II... Citta di Castello... 1143-1144
171. Lucius II... Bologna... 1144-1145 (Cacciauemici)
172. B. Eugenius III... Montemagno... 1145-1153 (Bernardus, abbot at Rome.)
173. Anastasius IV... Rome... 1153-1154
174. Adrian IV... England... 1154-1159
175. Alexander III... Siena... 1159-1181 (Roland Bandinelli.) [Victor, Paschal, and Callixtus, antipopes.]
176. Lncius III... Lucca... 1181-1185
177. Urban III... Milan... 1185-1187 (Bishop Humbert of Milan.)
178. Gregory VII... Beneventum... 1187-1187
179. Clemelnt III... Rome... 1187-1191
180. Celestinie III... Rome... 1191-1198
181. Innocent III... Anagni. ... .1198-1216 (Cardinal Conti.)
182. Honorius III... Rome... 1216-1227 (Savelli.)
183. Gregoury IX... An agni... 1227-1241 (Conti.)
184. Celestine IV... Milan... 1241-1241 (Castislione.)
185. Innocent IV... Genoa... 1243-1254 (Fieschi.)
186. Alexander IV... Anagni... .1254-1261 (Conti.)
187. Urban IV... France... 1261-1264 (Jacob Pantalean, patriarch of Jerusalem.)
188. Clement IV... France... 1265-1269 (Guido Fulcodi.)
189. B. Gregory X... Piacenza... 1271-1276 (Theobald Visconti, archdeacon at Liuge.)
190. Innocent V... ... Savoy... 1276-1276 (Peter de Tarantaise.)
191. Adrian V... Genoa... 1276-1276 (Fieschi.)
192. John XXI... Portugal... 1276-1277 (Peter Julian, bishop of Tusculum.)
193. Nicholas III... Rome... 1277-1280 (Cardinal John Cajetan Orfini.)
194. Martin IV... France... 1281-1285 (Simon de Brie.)
195. Honorius IV... Rome... 1285-1287 (Savelli.)
196. Nicholas IV... A... Ascoli... .1288-1292 (Cardinal Jerome, bishop of Tusculum.)
197. St. Celestine V... Isenia... .1294-1294 (Peter, an eremite.)
198. Boniface VIII... Anagni... 1294-1303 (Benedict Cajetan.)
199. B. Benedict XI... Treviso... 1303-1304 (Boccasini.)
200. Clement V... France... 1305-1314 (De Gout, archbishop of Bordeaux.)
201. John XXII... France... 1316-1334 (Cardinal Jacob de Esne.) [Nicholas, antipope.]
202. Benedict XII... France... 1334-1342 (Cardinal Jacob Fournier.)
203. Clement VI... France... 1342-1352 (Cardinal Peter Roger.)
204. Innocent VI... France... .1352-1362 (Cardinal Stephen Aubert.)
205. B. Urban V... France... 1362-1370 (Abbot at Marseilles.)
206. Gregory XI... France... 1370-1378 (Cardinal Peter Roger.)
207. Urban VI... Naples... 1378-1389 (Prignano, archbishop of Bari.) [From 1378 to 1410 occurs the great Western Schism, during which, in conflict with the line of popes inserted in the catalogue, is found a rival line residing at Avignon-Clement VII 1378-1394; Benedict XIII 1394-1410. The Council of Pisa, 1410, deposed both rival popes; but Benedict XIII remained in schism till his death in 1424.]
208. Boniface IX... Naples... 1389-1404 (Cardinal Peter Tomacelli.)
209. Innocent VII... Sulmona... .1404-1406 (Migliorati.)
210. Gregory XII... Venice... 1406-1409 (Coriario.)
211. Alexander V... Bologna... 1409-1410 (Cardinal Peter Philargi.)
212. John XXIII... Naples... 1410-1415 (Cardinal Cossa.)
213. Martin V... Rome... 1417-1431 (Cardinal Otto Colonna.)
214. Eugenius IV... Venice... 1431-1447 (Condulmero.) [Felix, antipope.]
215. Nicholas V... Sarzana... .1447-1455 (Thomas de Sarzano.)
216. Calixtus III... Spain... 1455-1458 (Cardinal Alphons Borgia.)
217. Pius II... Sieia... 1458-1464 (AEneas Sylvius Piccolomini.)
218. Paul II... Venice... 1464-1471 (Barbo.)
219. Sixtus IV... Savona... 1471-1484 (Cardinal Francesco della Rovere.)
220. Innocent VIII... Genoa... 1484-1492 (Cardinal John Baptist Cibo.)
221. Alexander VI... Spain... .1492-1503 (Cardinal Rodrigo Borgia.)
222. Pius III... Siena... 1503-1503 (Cardinal Francis Piccolomini.)
223. Julius II... Savona...1503-1513 (Cardinal Rovere.)
224. Leo X... Florence... 1513-1521 (Cardinal de' Medici.)
225. Adrian VI... Netherlands... 1522-1523 (Adrian Florent.)
226. Clement VII... Florence... 1523-1534 (Cardinal de' Medici.)
227. Paul III... Rome... 1534-1549 (Cardinal Alexander Farnese.)
228. Julius III... Tuscany... 1550-1555 (Cardinal del Monte.)
229. Marcellus II... Montepulciano... 1555-1555 (Cardinal Cervino.)
230. Paul IV... Naples... 1555-1559 (Cardinal Caraffa.)
231. Pius IV... Milan... 1559-1565 (Cardinal de' Medici.)
232. St. Pins V... Bosco... 1566-1572 (Michael Ghisleri, cardinal of Alessandria.)
233. Gregory XIII... Bologna... 1572-1585 (Cardinal Hugo Buoncompagno.)
234. Sixtus V... Marchigiano... 1585-1590 (Felix Peretti, cardinal Montalto.)
235. Urban VII... Rome... 1590-1590 (Cardinal Castagna.)
236. Gregory XIV... Cremona... 1590-1591 (Cardinal Sondrati.)
237. Innocent IX... Bologna... 1591-1592 (Cardinal Fachinetti.)
238. Clement VIII... Florence... 1592-1605 (Cardinal Aldobrandini.)
239. Leo XI... Florence... 1605-1605 (Cardinal Octavian de' Medici.)
240. Paul V... Rome... 1605-1621 (Cardinal Camillo Borghese.)
241. Gregory XV... Bologna... 1621-1623 (Cardinal Alexander Ludovisio.)
242. Urban VIII... Florence... 1623-1644 (Cardinal Maffeo Barberini.)
243. Innocent X... Rome... 1644-1655 (Cardinal John Pamfili.)
244. Alexander VII... Siena... 1655-1667 (Cardinal Fabio Chigi.)
245. Clement IX... Pistoia... 1667-1669 (Cardinal Rospigliosi.)
246. Clement X... Rome ... .1670-1676 (Cardinal Altieri.)
247. Innocent XI... Cono... 1676-1689 (Cardinal Benedict Odescalchi.)
248. Alexander VIII... Venice... 1689-1691 (Cardinal Peter Ottoboni.)
249. Innocent XII... Naples... .1691-1700 (Cardinal Anthony Pignatelli.)
250. Clement XI... Urbino... 1700-1721 (Cardinal Albani.)
251. Innocent XIII... Rome... 1721-1724 (Cardinal Conti.)
252. Benedict XIII... Rome... 1724-1730 (Cardinal Orsini.)
253. Clement XII... Floence... 1730-1740 (Cardinal Colsini.)
254. Benedict XIV... Bologna... .1740-1758 (Cardinal Prosper Lambertini.)
255. Clement XIII... Venice... 1758-1769 (Cardinal Rezzonico.)
256. Clement XIV... St. Angelo in Vado…1769-1774 (Cardinal Gianganelli.)
257. Pius VI... Cesena... 1775-1799 (Cardinal Braschi.)
258. Pius VII... Cesena... 1800-1823 (Cardinal Chiaramonte.)
259. Leo XII... Spoleto... 1823-1829 (Cardinal della Genga.)
260. Pius VIII... Cingoli... .1829-1830 (Cardinal Castiglione.)
261. Gregory XVI... Belluno... 1831-1846 (Cardinal Mauro Capellari.)
262. Pius IX... Siniagli... 1846-1878 (Cardinal Mastai Ferretti.)
263. Leo XIII... Carpinetto... 1878 (Cardinal Gioacchino Pesci.)
|Religion / Re: "What Was Early Christianity Like?" by PastorAIO: 12:35pm On Sep 29|
please can you expantiate on this part. Are their discrepancies in the lists of popes, and is this why you deny the apostolic lineage? Can you provide us with the varying lists? Thank you in advance.
|Religion / Re: If The Old Testament Is Of A Perfect God, Why The New Testament?? by PastorAIO: 2:21am On Sep 29|
It didn't say that Jesus death was planned at the beginning. It says that it happened at the beginning.
|Religion / Re: Have Your Pastor Addressed The SCOAN Tragedy? by PastorAIO: 9:11pm On Sep 28|
dorox: When disasters happens, especially one that is close to home it is the usual practice for pastors to talk about it and ask members to pray for those who are directly affected by the disaster. But in the wake of the SCOAN building collapse it appears that most pastors are carrying on with their business like they did not just lose one of their own. So i would like to know if your pastor have asked for your prayers with regards to those who died and those who are receiving treatment as a result of that tragedy.
This matter is too close to their business. When you see roforofo it is better to avoid it lest it splash on you.
|Religion / Re: Have Your Pastor Addressed The SCOAN Tragedy? by PastorAIO: 9:10pm On Sep 28|
|Religion / Re: Who Wrote The New Testament? by PastorAIO: 6:29pm On Sep 28|
Precognitive visions happen to many people, myself included. If it were tied directly to a particular God then how would you explain people following a different religion and different God still having precognitive visions. It happens regardless of your God or religion.
I used to think it was connected to spiritual disciplines ( and maybe it still is) but I noticed that I could get them sometimes when I was at my most spiritually degenerate phase, while other times when I'm 'very spiritual' I do not get them at all. Not to mention the fact that I have no control over them and it is what comes that comes whether it is relevant to my life or not. If I could control it I would be winning the lottery every week. Instead I see where my old discarded slippers are.
The fact is that we live in a mysterious universe of which we haven't scratched the tip of the iceberg of understanding. Maybe the explanation for precognitive visions can be explained scientifically. We can speculate and speculate and speculate but the fact that they happen does not necessarily point to any God or religion.
|Religion / Re: PastorOluT, Lets Talk. by PastorAIO: 1:15am On Sep 27|
Ubenedictus: i really don't know
At noon Benedictus began to taunt jnrbayano. "Shout louder!" he said. "Surely he is pastorOlu! Perhaps he is deep in thought, or busy, or traveling. Maybe he is sleeping and must be awakened."
- 1Kings 18:27
|Religion / Re: What Man Of God Is Pastor Chris Oyakhilome - Femi Aribisala by PastorAIO: 5:59pm On Sep 26|
I didn't ask you any question and it's no skin off my nose if you answer my imaginary question or not. I'm just irritated by the way people like you duck and dive when you are faced with points that expose the duplicity that you harbour.
|Religion / Re: A Jewish Boycott: Is It Possible? by PastorAIO: 4:25pm On Sep 26|
Meyer M. Treinkman totally misunderstood the entire point. Or maybe he didn't but it just didn't suit his purposes to get the point.
The point of the boycott is to put economic pressure on the Isreali state. Not to reject everything that a Jew has ever done. For Iran to do so it would also have to reject Islam and almost all of it's prophets.
The West imposed sanctions on Iran and also Iraq. Yet they did not reject civilisation which, according to historians, has it's origin in mesopotamia, present day Iraq and Iran. They did not stop using our current numerals which were given to us by the Moslem Arabs and greatly helped us to develop our science and maths.
They just stopped buying certain goods in order to put pressure on Iran and Iraq.
Now this Meyer M. Treinkman is also an extremely ignorant soul. He has the gall to ask 'what medical contributions to the world have moslems made'? Not just ignorance but I can smell a whiff of arrogance and self congratulatory puke in his tone.
Without Arab moslems there would be no such thing as surgery today. There would be no such thing as microscopes to research medicine because it is them that developed the use of lenses. There would be no mathematics. But let's just leave it at medicine. He needs to go and discover the contributions of islam to modern medicine.
Check out this link:
|Religion / Re: What Man Of God Is Pastor Chris Oyakhilome - Femi Aribisala by PastorAIO: 3:33pm On Sep 26|
He didn't ask you WHO can answer the question. He asked you who wrote the New testament and what the difference between it and the old testament is. You see how people fail exams.
|Religion / 'we're Sorry For Giving You Algebra' by PastorAIO: 8:02pm On Sep 25|
Muslims around the world have been posting sarcastic messages on social media, in a bid to counter a wave of hostility towards Islam.
|Religion / Re: What Is Existentialism? by PastorAIO: 7:49pm On Sep 25|
Na today? Hasn't this always been the way? You yourself are a prime expert at this 'deciding what is true by ... likes, desires or biases'.
|Religion / Re: Inside TB Joshua’s Broken Temple by PastorAIO: 6:56pm On Sep 24|
Maybe he is one of the ones went to TbJ for healing of Dull mind, but he still hasn't received his healing yet.
|Religion / Re: Inside TB Joshua’s Broken Temple by PastorAIO: 6:53pm On Sep 24|
He probably would still be saying the same trash. I realised that the problem with many nigerians is actually intractable. Jesus once said in the bible, I think it was in the parable of Lazarus, that even if a dead body should rise and try to set them straight, they will still not change. They are fully committed to Opacity.
|Religion / Re: Inside TB Joshua’s Broken Temple by PastorAIO: 6:49pm On Sep 24|
clap clap clap
|Religion / Re: South African Journalist, Jacques Pauw Claims T.B Joshua Tried To Bribe Him by PastorAIO: 6:48pm On Sep 24|
The program, This thread, recent events, many things, are about and point to the fact that you pentecostal vermin are liars and thieves. Rotten to the core of your souls and there is no redemption in you, talk less about you been able to proselytise and offer redemption to others.
When I say 'you' I refer to Lying thieving Callous pentecostals, anyone who is not amongst them shouldn't worry, I'm not referring to them when I say 'you'.
|Religion / Re: Apst Paul Rose A Man Who Doze-off, Fell From 3 Storey While Listening To Sermon by PastorAIO: 8:10pm On Sep 23|
Is this the litmus test? People have been dying in Nigeria since, christians and non christians alike, nobody raised them from the dead. The entire history of these Men of God guys in nigeria is one Big Failure of a Litmus test.
|Religion / Re: What Man Of God Is Pastor Chris Oyakhilome - Femi Aribisala by PastorAIO: 12:17pm On Sep 23|
Do you mean to say that we have got it all wrong when we go around judging non christians, atheists, muslims etc etc etc? Instead we should have been judging our fellow christians. That would make being a christians a lot harder than what many so called christians practice today.
|Religion / Re: What Man Of God Is Pastor Chris Oyakhilome - Femi Aribisala by PastorAIO: 12:15pm On Sep 23|
you mean that if you met God today, such a momental event in anybody's life, even in the history of mankind, you would rather quibble over bible verses. Me, I was ask for the satisfaction of all my heart's desires, and not only my heart but all the other parts of my anatomy and psychology.
|Religion / Followers Of Afro-brazilian Religions Feel Under Attack by PastorAIO: 4:56pm On Sep 22|
RECIFE, Brazil — Drizzle fell steadily as a crowd of a few hundred practitioners of Candomblé — a syncretic Afro-Brazilian religion often compared to Santería or Haitian Voodoo — gathered under enormous white tents in front of the Basílica de Nossa Senhora do Carmo in one of Brazil’s oldest cities in late June.
“Prejudice is the deformed child of ignorance,” Pedro Henrique, a member of the Order of Lawyers, declared to the crowd, his measured words booming through the speakers. He was among roughly a dozen speakers present to defend Afro-Brazilian religious practices.
While Candomblé (pejoratively referred to in Portuguese as Macumba) and its indigenous parallel, Umbanda, have long been persecuted by Catholic and lay authorities, practitioners say the phenomenal growth of the evangelical movement in Brazil seems to have increased prejudice against them.
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|Religion / Re: "What Is The Origin Of The Catholic Church?" by PastorAIO: 2:23pm On Sep 01|
OLAADEGBU:Right! so who has been lying? Look at the facts and then tell me who has rejected the Truth.
You say this because you have no idea what it means to become a Christian. Christianity is not a religion it is a lifestyle and a relationship with God through faith in Jesus Christ our Saviour.I didn't say anything. I merely asked some questions. And you are incapable of answering those question honestly so you digress into what it means to be a true christian. I'll repeat: Did constantine convert to xtianity? Did Constantine make Christianity a State Religion or did he merely make it legal?
Heresis existed even during the time of Christ. What are you yapping about? See the depiction of Isis in the depiction below.Lol, desperately Trying to Digress. a common disease also known as DTD.
What I am 'yapping on about' is your lies that are exposed by the Anachronism of your statements. If the Catholic church started in the 4th century and Origen wrote about mariology in the (2nd)/ 3rd century then how did Catholicism start Mariology. The issue is simple. Did Catholicism pre-exist the 4th century, the reign of Constantine, or did it only start with constantine as you have mendaciously claimed?
You haven't answered the questions: Where was Isis ever referred to as theotokos? Which temples of Isis were converted to temples of Mary?Remember that Satan is the Father of lies, so if you want to disown your father you have to prove here that you have not been lying.
If that is so why didn't Jesus offer His flesh and blood and let his disciples take a pound of flesh out of Him?Lol! DTD. You have failed to answer what I stated. Listen to the words of Jesus in Matt 26:26:
And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.
So you see, according to the bible, Jesus did indeed offer his flesh and blood. Of course you are denying this because you are a liar and your Father, satan, is a liar from the beginning. This blatant evidence from the bible will not suffice to shut you up, I know that already. But I'm posting for the general readership of this thread.
What power? Besides it was only the western side of the Roman empire that fell. The political power in the empire had already shifted to the East when Constantine moved the capital to Constantinople. There were bishops of Rome long before the fall of the Roman empire dating all the way back to the first century. The church of Rome had already existed. That is again another lie you are peddling. All the while DTD-ing. You didn't address what I said about Canon 27 of Chalcedon.
This standard desperate ruse. It's so sad. Anyone that doens't agree with you is 'not even a christian.' I remember you once even attacked Davidylan with the same desperate move when he wouldn't agree with your hateful polemic on one thread like this. That surprised even me. It was truly wondrous in my eyes.
Anyway the facts remain that you have been lying consistently in keeping with your satanic character. masquerading as an angel of light.
|Religion / Re: "What Is The Origin Of The Catholic Church?" by PastorAIO: 11:07am On Sep 01|
You are now famous for your lies, but that doesn't stop you.
OLAADEGBU: Question: "What is the origin of the Catholic Church?"
Did Constantine Convert to Christianity? Did Constantine make Christianity a State Religion or did he merely make it legal?
The lies are too much. Where is Isis called 'Theotokos'? Sources please? Please name one or two temples of Isis that were converted into temples dedicated to Mary. I'm not aware of them.
Biggest lie: Catholic Mariology occur in the writing so of Origen from Alexandria. But wait Origen lived from 184 to 253. Constantine was emperor in the 4th century. If Constantine invented Catholic Church then how come Origen introduced catholic mariology in the 3rd century?
'Possibly the religion of several Roman emperors'? Like who? Constantine was into Sol Invictus not Mitraism. And you forgot to mention that it was Jesus himself that called the meal his flesh and his blood. That is not a small omission to make, don't you think. In fact that above is a blatant and misleading lie.
The issue here is too deep to go into here so I'll skip this one for another thread.
Again you are contradicting yourself unwittingly (due to lack of historical knowledge). By the time christianity was legalised Constantine had removed the center of Roman empire away from Rome to Constantinople. There were no emperors of a unified Roman empire living in Rome while christianity was legal. In fact it was the Bishop of the See of Constantinople that was favoured. It was Bishop Leo that tried to make the Empire recognise Rome as the head but he was often ignored. It would be interesting to read Canon XXVII of Chalcedon where the eastern bishops challenged Rome. Reading in between the lines there seems to be an acknowledgement that the Bishop of Rome used to be the head of the Church but since Constantinople was the New Rome and the new Imperial centre then things had changed.
If any of your 'many more examples' are as unsound as the ones you've offered so far then don't bother. you are only trying to reinvent history to suit your hatred for christianity. You might be good at twisting the bible but historical facts are a totally different proposition altogether.
|Religion / Re: "What Was Early Christianity Like?" by PastorAIO: 10:14am On Sep 01|
These anticatholic penterascals are so desperate.
So totally incapable of answering simple questions to elucidate their position.
Since the catholic church didn't exist in the 1st century then where is the church that existed then? Where is the church of the early church fathers? What these anticatholics are saying really is that christianity has finished. It has died out.
I also can't help noticing a lot of arrogance and ITK-ism.
Please where is the universal church today. If I want to write a letter to them, the way that St. Paul wrote a letter to the Romans, where would I address the letter to?
This question is soooo simple that even a child that knew what he was talking about ought to be able to answer it.
|Religion / Re: What Is Church? by PastorAIO: 11:49am On Aug 26|
Food for thought.
|Religion / Re: The Falsehoods Of Paul by PastorAIO: 9:29pm On Aug 25|
maestroferddi: There are so many basic/assumptions lacking.
Nothing here addresses what I said.
If you want to speculate baselessly why display such a lack of imagination. Why not start with Lizards from outer space that came to earth and genetically modified humans and made us worship them and these lizards are the ones that wrote the poem. And then they telepathically communicated it to Paul who then wrote it to Titus totally ignorant of the fact that the Lizards had also inspired Epimenides with the same poem centuries before.
|Religion / Re: The Falsehoods Of Paul by PastorAIO: 9:17pm On Aug 25|
maestroferddi: There are a lot of mix-up. Paul's message to the Galatians was never to substitute or challenge the Jerusalem Church.
None of the issues you are addressing above are in the post you are responding to. Maybe you didn't understand the post well. Let me repeat it ...
The questions were: 1) What are the results that you think Paul is aiming for?
2)Do you support a 'by any means necessary' approach to proselytizing?
|Religion / Re: Paul: The False Apostle by PastorAIO: 9:12pm On Aug 25|
thorpido: If your mom brought food from a party and you eat and enjoy it,who do you appreciate?
Hmm.. sounds like a trick question. Let me see....
|Religion / Re: See Why You Can't Argue With A Christian by PastorAIO: 8:44pm On Aug 25|
It makes the whole affair very very dicey.
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