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|Religion / Re: All Religions Lead To God? Can One Discern The True Religion? by PastorAIO: 1:02am|
Let's leave the Pastor part out of it. Otherwise it would be like appealing to authority to back what I'm saying with the name Pastor.
I know God kept Moses safe from birth, it is recorded in the bible, just like the way God has kept me safe from birth and kept you safe from birth and will continue to do so by his grace. However the question I asked was 'Was Moses without Sin?'.
I believe you are confusing different aspects of Judicial process here. There is judgment which is an evaluation of a situation. Then there is Judgment which is executed after the evaluation.
In modern parlance you would call both Trial and Sentencing.
You are saying that Christians will not stand Trial at all. When I read John 5:24 understand 'Krisin' to mean Sentencing. Christians will not be sentenced.
In fact I think that the KJV captures it best:
24Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
They will undergo Trial and after trial they will not be Condemned. They will not be Sentenced.
|Religion / Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "I And The Father Are One" In John 10:30? by PastorAIO: 12:32am|
I didn't see anything about selective memory in that article. Not to mention scriptures talking about selective memory.
However I noticed this:
It is a uniplural noun, however,specific usage depending on context,
As a little exercise in textual analysis for you to do, .... Can Context be found within a text?
I repeat. Can the context of a text be determined simply by considering the Text, OR is context always imposed on a text from the outside?
If it is difficult for you to think about this using the bible then try using any text. Try your morning newspaper.
If the context is found outside the text then by what Authority is the context determined. This is important to stop any tom dick and ola from making up contexts for biblical passages out of the top of their heads. For example, claiming selective Memory.
|Religion / Re: All Religions Lead To God? Can One Discern The True Religion? by PastorAIO: 9:18pm On Nov 23|
So in short, you are saying that Moses was without sin.
Whether it involves Christians or not the bottom-line is that they are judged according to their deeds.
That it is not about christians is your own invention.
|Religion / Re: All Religions Lead To God? Can One Discern The True Religion? by PastorAIO: 6:00pm On Nov 23|
Okay, I'll make a study of the Holiness of God soon. But let's stick with this matter of salvation by human effort for now.
Why is 'Good deed not enough to fill with the holiness of God'? I don't understand what you mean even at the level of basic grammar. What do you mean by 'filling with the holiness of God'? I thought we were talking about salvation by which I presume you mean 'forgiveness of sins'.
..But christianity teaches the exact same thing.
And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. (Rev 20:11–12)
I wasn't talking about fulfilling promises or needing to sacrifice anymore. I was giving you an example of a religion in which 'forgiveness of sins', which I believe is what you mean by salvation, is achieved without the sinner even knowing about the sacrifice. This refutes your claim that All religions require salvation by human effort. That was my simple point. Have you got anything to say about that, or are you prepared to withdraw the false claim?
Gospel should not be spread with lies!!
|Religion / Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "I And The Father Are One" In John 10:30? by PastorAIO: 4:38pm On Nov 23|
Mennhhh! those were some killer scriptures you quoted for the guy. Dem be like combination. 2 left hooks swiftly followed by headbutt and finished off with flying drop kick.
|Religion / Re: All Religions Lead To God? Can One Discern The True Religion? by PastorAIO: 4:25pm On Nov 23|
Hello Malvisguy, You still haven't articulated for us what Religion is supposed to do exactly. You seem to suggest it vaguely when you say .... All religion teaches that salvation can be attained by human effort ....
The question of 'what is Salvation' is pertinent here, but let us leave it for now. It'll be like an elephant in the room.
I wonder how extensive your study of all religions are, before you can make the sweeping statement that
All religion teaches that salvation can be attained by human effort.
In ATR if you offend a deity you can get remission by offering certain sacrifices. These religions have moral codes but in them we find a lot of the time that remission for offences can be settled by making certain sacrifices.
In Judaism, from which xtianity is derived and which predates xtianity, remission from sins is settled by certain sin offerings. Prior to Judaism, in the bible, we are told the story of Job who would make sacrifices on behalf of his children to settle their sins. His children were not even aware. That is another case of religion where sins are forgiven without the sinner actually doing anything.
I'm presuming that by 'salvation' you mean forgiveness of sins. If you mean something else please let us know.
In Islam Allah is supposed to be able to forgive just like that without requiring the effort of killing Jesus. The only human effort required is contrition.
please can you tell me how Christianity requires even less effort than these?
|Religion / Re: Ifa Orisa Religion - Is This Our True Identity: Our True Religion by PastorAIO: 3:48pm On Nov 22|
I curious to know whice ATR exactly. or has ATR become one religion.
|Religion / Re: Why Most Terrorists Are Muslims. by PastorAIO: 3:46pm On Nov 22|
You guys have totally fallen for the ploy. Thoroughly mugu-ed. The media is a set up and some of us are still gobbling down what they tell us Hook, Line and Sinker.
No body answered my question about whether Nelson Mandela is a terrorist. He remained on the US terrorist watchlist until 2008. If you can find out why, then I believe we'll get a step closer to finding out why there are so many Islamic terrorists in the world today.
The fact is that all Abrahamic religions are Violent. Full stop. the violence is there in reserve. All it needs is the right situation to aggravate it and it will explode onto the world. It has happened in all of them at various stages in history when the situation aggravated it.
Also, in the same time, in countries where these religions prevailed, when the situation was more conducive, there has been great advances in human social development and philosophical and scientific development. etc.
Perhaps the religion is not the determining factor.
|Religion / Re: Ifa Orisa Religion - Is This Our True Identity: Our True Religion by PastorAIO: 1:01pm On Nov 22|
That's true but I don't know why.
|Religion / Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "I And The Father Are One" In John 10:30? by PastorAIO: 11:31am On Nov 22|
Please can you back this up with scripture or are you just forming this out of the top of your head.
|Religion / Re: What Is The Hypostatic Union? How Can Jesus Be Both God And Man Simultaneously by PastorAIO: 11:28am On Nov 22|
If Jesus wasn't human before he incarnated in the flesh then his humanity was grafted on, it wasn't a part of his nature.
|Religion / Re: Why Most Terrorists Are Muslims. by PastorAIO: 11:21am On Nov 22|
Was Nelson Mandela a terrorist?
|Religion / Re: All Religions Lead To God? Can One Discern The True Religion? by PastorAIO: 11:01am On Nov 22|
I think first and foremost it would help if you could tell us what Religion is supposed to do.
When we know that we can then compare and contrast. and we can see which religions get us the best results.
|Religion / Re: All Religions Lead To God? Can One Discern The True Religion? by PastorAIO: 10:55am On Nov 22|
The fact of the matter is that People killing themselves is NOT a matter of religion but a matter of geopolitics. If it was a matter of religion then muslims everywhere at all times would be killing themselves or not. And likewise Christians everywhere at all times would either be killing themselves or not.
Malvisguy's insistence on reference to 'NOWADAYS' rather than over the course of history of religion is a clear giveaway that the situation he is referring to is due to the current geopolitical set up, and not due to any religion as such.
Politics makes much use of religion. For instance, what does the message of christianity have to do with the Liberation Theology of the African American civil rights movement? When Martin Luther King says that 'I've been to the mountaintop and I've seen the promised land', he is not talking about Canaan. He was using religious rhetoric to make a political point.
|Religion / Re: Ifa Orisa Religion - Is This Our True Identity: Our True Religion by PastorAIO: 10:39am On Nov 22|
Itefa is the Ifa initiation.
Odu is the sacred wife of Orunmila, the womb of the world, a sacred container, a deep mystery.
|Religion / Re: Why Sticking To A Specific Religion Doesnt Make Sence by PastorAIO: 9:55pm On Nov 18|
What does the bible say it means?
|Religion / Re: What Is The Hypostatic Union? How Can Jesus Be Both God And Man Simultaneously by PastorAIO: 12:08pm On Nov 17|
Your article deals with nothing. My question was simple.
Before Jesus' incarnation as son of Mary, WAS Jesus Human?
|Religion / Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "I And The Father Are One" In John 10:30? by PastorAIO: 11:53am On Nov 17|
you didn't address my questions.
1.. Who was that psalm obscure for, Jews, or for you?
2. Since the Jews commonly used the term God for humans in their scripture, why were they shocked when Jesus used the term?
3. Were those other 'gods' that Psalm 82 refers to the same as Jesus?
|Religion / Re: What Is The Hypostatic Union? How Can Jesus Be Both God And Man Simultaneously by PastorAIO: 11:13am On Nov 15|
The question that I want to ask, dear doctor, is this ....
Before Jesus was conceived in Mary, when he was in heaven ...... was he also fully Human then? Or did the Hypostatic, 2 natures thingy only start when he was conceived in Mary.
because the way you are talking it seems as if you want to redefine the word 'nature'. Nature, from 'natus' in latin, meaning the way you were Born. Nature thus suggests an intrinsic aspect of your being. Apart from the logical difficulty with having 2 natures ( it would be easier if it were 1 nature that manifested in 2 different ways but this matter has already been thrashed out with the Monophysites long time ago), a nature is something that has always being with you from the beginning, therefore Jesus must always have been Human too.
|Religion / Re: What Is The Church? by PastorAIO: 10:58am On Nov 15|
There are only 2 beliefs on the subject of hell. 1, there is no hell. and 2, there is hell. That one is not rocket science.
Are there millions of contradictory doctrines on who is the way to eternal life?
apparently so. Of course there are many that bandy the name Jesus about, but that does not mean that they are talking about the same thing. 'In Jesus name' is now just a formula that people tag on to the end of prayers to give the prayer more oomph!
Doctrine, the word, can be used loosely to mean any number of things. For example you yourself are now using it to mean opinions and understanding, and to be fair to you, such usage has precedents. But I believe that the way that it is used in Church history and in this present case is in it's original etymological sense of TEACHING (from Latin docere, to teach).
Can the church have different contradictory teachings?
|Religion / Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "I And The Father Are One" In John 10:30? by PastorAIO: 2:29am On Nov 15|
Come again. this is a very dodgy parking.
Are you saying that they jews didn't know Psalm 82? Who was it obscure for? The Jews? Or for you?
So the Jews commonly use the word 'god' for human beings yet were shocked when Jesus called himself god.
Were those other human beings for whom the word is used God the same way Jesus was God?
|Religion / Re: BREAKING NEWS: Joagbaje’s Miracle HIV Healing Claim Debunked by PastorAIO: 2:12am On Nov 15|
Well, you know that some kinds of people like to be promiscuous and that in so being they have a high risk of catching std. If you offer firstfruits the good lord will turn a blind eye to your promiscuity and absolve you of all std. But if you should fail at any juncture, then the full wrath of the good lawd will descend upon thee.
std like HIV have nothing to do with lifestyle and sexual patterns but everything to do with first fruits.
|Religion / Re: What Is The Church? by PastorAIO: 7:17pm On Nov 14|
Actually he hasn't uttered a word about denominations or buildings. It's a straight forward question. Can there be a plethora of contradictory doctrines within the church or not? It is a simple Yes, or no, answer. Or may a simple Yes, No, or 'It's Complicated answer'. I don't know if he'll accept it's complicated but I would accept it because I would love to delve into the complications.
|Religion / Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "I And The Father Are One" In John 10:30? by PastorAIO: 2:36pm On Nov 14|
Since you've broadened the context to included the response of the Jews, why not properly go all the way and consider what Jesus then said in response to that.
34Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I said, you are gods’? 35If he called them gods to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be broken— 36do you say of him whom the Father consecrated and sent into the world,
The sense in which Jesus apparently used God could equally be applicable to the ancient judges of Israel.
It would therefore follow from these verses ...
That said divinity can be applied to all of Jesus' followers. He makes no distinction between his being in the father and the father in him, and his followers being in Him and the father together.
|Religion / Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "I And The Father Are One" In John 10:30? by PastorAIO: 12:18pm On Nov 14|
From my experience of human nature one doesn't need to offend someone before someone gets offended.
|Religion / Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "I And The Father Are One" In John 10:30? by PastorAIO: 12:05pm On Nov 14|
You're gonna have to ask the jews for the answers to that one. It seems in the gospels that everything Jesus said and did rubbed them up the wrong way. Have you every thought about that? Why would that be?
|Religion / Re: BREAKING NEWS: Joagbaje’s Miracle HIV Healing Claim Debunked by PastorAIO: 11:54am On Nov 14|
|Religion / Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "I And The Father Are One" In John 10:30? by PastorAIO: 12:54am On Nov 14|
that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me.
|Religion / Re: BREAKING NEWS: Joagbaje’s Miracle HIV Healing Claim Debunked by PastorAIO: 9:11pm On Nov 13|
Oh Gosh! Just when I thought NL was getting dry. You guys came through eventually.
|Religion / Re: What Is The Church? by PastorAIO: 1:38pm On Nov 13|
There is a traditional yoruba prayer that Where your Head wants to go, May your feet take you there.
Body parts may be different, but if they don't share the same agenda, na confusion be that o!
I guess Italo was asking whether it is possible for the church to have so many different doctrines and still remain the church. Not whether there are different parts. some are healers, some are prophets bla bla bla, some are deacons bla bla bla, but each of these people are not going to carry a different doctrine on their head.
|Religion / Re: Flaws Definition Of God Exposes In Atheism by PastorAIO: 8:58am On Nov 13|
You believe in juju you aren't an atheist, simples. They are the same concept(s) as god just using different nomenclature.
Just as shaky as our NON-definitions of Natural is our NON-definition of a god as we can see on this thread. If we can't be agreed on what is a god then how do we even start a discussion on atheism.
Strictly speaking I believe the only way to have a conversation on this topic is to speak strictly within the confines of terms as defined. Anything else and we'll soon find that we are deceiving ourselves tossing words and phrases about that probably sound good but when analysed will be found to mean nothing.
An essay that helped my thoughts on the Naturalism debate a lot was written by Keith Augustine. Please let me know what you think of it:
The Meaning of 'Nature' or 'Natural'
Danto's definition of a natural cause, while capturing very general features of natural causation and natural causal explanation, does not shed much light on what is meant by the term 'natural' itself. One obvious candidate for what is meant by the term 'natural' is physical. The earliest forms of naturalism, in fact, were versions of materialism or physicalism which maintained that everything that exists is physical. As I have construed naturalism, simple (reductive) physicalism maintains that everything that exists within nature is physical and solely influenced by physical causes. However, the prominent twentieth century debate over materialism in the philosophy of mind has revealed several difficulties with reductive physicalism as a solution to the mind-body problem.
One of the most persistent difficulties for reductive physicalism has been the apparent inability of physicalistic explanations to capture qualitative features of conscious experience. It has been persuasively argued that qualia--the experiential feels of 'what it is like' to be in a conscious mental state--cannot be captured by any physicalistic explanations in principle because physicalistic explanations inherently refer to objective or public features of phenomena, whereas the experiential features of consciousness are inherently subjective or private (Teller 1992, pp. 190-191). While such arguments for the irreducibility of consciousness are not the last word on the subject, they have not been decisively refuted either--at least not in the view of several prominent philosophers. Although such difficulties may be resolved in the future, their current resistance to a clear resolution that gains widespread acceptance gives us good reason to resist simply identifying the natural with the physical.
And we mustn't forget to bring Teleology into it when we get to the appropriate place.
|Religion / Re: The Bible, Christians, And The Universality Of Shameless Hypocrisy. by PastorAIO: 2:12am On Nov 13|
I was expecting something about christians mocking muslims that send their children as suicide bombers. When I got to the end of the OP it felt kinda empty.
Plus, you didn't mention christians that don't take the bible to be the 'constitution' of christianity.
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