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Religion / Re: What Is The Meaning Of This Bible Verse? by PastorAIO: 6:05pm On Mar 24
Sometimes we should just accept that there are contradictions in the bible and then we will not be so confused.

Elijah prayed till he saw a cloud. So for some that means that it's okay to keep praying without head or tail. Although we should release this one because the Praying was of Elijah's own volition and not an instruction from Yahweh. Even Moses who was considered the greatest OT prophet didn't have enough faith to trust Yahweh. Instead of commanding rock to produce water he went and struck the rock with his staff. So it doesn't make sense that we should copy fallible human beings even if they are prophets.

I wonder though. Are there any repetitions that are not vain? Since it is vain (ie worthless) repetitions that Jesus is railing against then maybe there are repetitions that are not so vain in their application. Just musing....

Sometimes I think that since God knows everything before you even ask then the purpose is of Prayer is not for God to be informed of your plight but rather it is solely for the person making the prayer. Maybe it is a way to focus your thoughts etc. Or maybe it is a form of catharsis whereby it is a lot healthier to express whatever is doing you than to just hold it in. I dunno, this is just speculations now.

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Religion / Re: Three Materials Used For Ifa Initiation by PastorAIO: 9:48pm On Mar 23
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Religion / Re: The Composite Nature Of Man by PastorAIO: 11:21am On Mar 18
Yes you're okay.

I was off key. No wahala.
Religion / Re: The Composite Nature Of Man by PastorAIO: 3:58pm On Mar 17
enshy:

So its no more in scriptures that 'God created man in His image'...The scripture doesnt tell you that 'God is Spirit'
Tell me you dont know where those are in scriptures and Ill help you.
Please if you dont know, say it dont confuse others with Hebrews.
Now to my question: If God put air into clay to make it living soul, is Gods image clay? what is the image He created?
Google nismat and ruach and see it means almost same thing...At times, its used interchageably.
Pls if you dont know, learn or be mute lest you confuse others!

Let me clear the mud for you a bit. You came here saying that man is a composite of soul spirit and body, abi?

enshy:

Every created man is a Spirit, we are created in Gods image...
Natural birthing envelopes the Spirit in the body.
The soul is the mental capacity, intelligence of the Man.
Every Man communicates with God via the Spirit!
Jesus says the true worshippers worship 'in Spirit and Truth'
Man is a Spirit, he has a soul and housed in a body!

Man created in God's image does not mean man is composite of tripartite anything.
I put it to you that you are just making up your tripartite composite postulations.

All the questions I've asked you you've failed to answer them. Instead you respond with questions, though I'm generous enough to even answer your questions. Can you answer this question here:

PastorAIO:


It's not simple and straight anything. You are still just making up doctrines. Yahweh breathed Nismat into Clay and it became a living thing. There is no mention of Ruach in the passage. Can you support anything you've just said from a biblical passage?
At the moment, if you say 20 things only one of them can be found in the bible. The rest, 19, are from either your imagination or from some diabolical source.
Religion / Re: The Composite Nature Of Man by PastorAIO: 3:21pm On Mar 17
enshy:

If God breathe into clay, where was the spirit? how did spirit come by?
God created man in His image, is this the clay? what is the image at creation?
My point is nismat isnt air save if your own nismat is air! Nismat is breathe not air!!
Nismat and Rauch are almost same yet distinct! They are complementary of the other!!

None of these your questions are concerns of mine. If you have anything you want to say about Yahweh in the bible and the creation of Man as told in the bible then I insist that you back up what you are saying with passages from the bible. Otherwise you are just making things up.

From the op to now everything you've said has been pure confection from your imagination. Nothing to do with the bible or Hebrew thought on the matter.

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Religion / Re: The Composite Nature Of Man by PastorAIO: 2:35pm On Mar 17
enshy:

Bro, your nismath gave rauch a living existence in body form!
Rauch is Spirit and its created.
Nismat is breathe, life, existence not just air!
Its not exacly same yet not so distinct!
The two complemented the creation and birth of man.
No gain saying here...Its simple and straight!

It's not simple and straight anything. You are still just making up doctrines. Yahweh breathed Nismat into Clay and it became a living thing. There is no mention of Ruach in the passage. Can you support anything you've just said from a biblical passage?

and nismat is not 'my nismat'. I am not a hebrew, it is not my language and it is not a concept that I made up. I found it there when I was studying the bible. Please don't give me the ownership of something that I don't own, I cannot afford to offend the owner.

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Religion / Re: The Composite Nature Of Man by PastorAIO: 2:31pm On Mar 17
enshy:

If you believe the spirit was created, what is the purpose of nismat? What role does it play?

I have no idea. I'm not the Creator. And unlike some people I know, I'm not inclined to pretend to know the things that I don't know.

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Religion / Re: Logic, Language, Topology, Joshthefirst by PastorAIO: 2:29pm On Mar 17
Joshthefirst:
sorry. Got really busy really fast. Should be on later to refute you

I still dey wait o,. It's being like 4 months!
Religion / Re: The Composite Nature Of Man by PastorAIO: 2:07pm On Mar 17
Here is a very popular and good resource for studying the bible in it's original languages. I hope you'll find it useful.

http://biblehub.com/text/genesis/2-7.htm
Religion / Re: The Composite Nature Of Man by PastorAIO: 2:04pm On Mar 17
enshy:

I have never said they are directly same. I have said Gods Breathe gave the Spirit life/existence through the body for all Man is created a Spirit! Birth brings the natural existence in body form.
And where did the Ruach come from if God breathe Nismat? You said all living beings have Ruach, where did it come from?

I believe it was created.
Religion / Re: The Composite Nature Of Man by PastorAIO: 2:02pm On Mar 17
enshy:

Was the Bible translated from French? Isnt it from Hebrew?
Do I now need the Hebrew Bible to understand scriptures? Must I understand Hebrew to read Bible?
That passage explains itself and shouldnt cause much tension to understand.
Is God in natural body form? Isnt He Spirit? Ask yourself in what form was Man created? In what form do we return to God? Answer the questions to help your undertstanding.

It is quite unfortunate that instead of simply answering my questions to follow the point I'm trying to show you you respond with more questions that betray your lack of understanding. N E way I'll be generous and answer your questions.
Was the Bible translated from French? Isnt it from Hebrew?
No, the bible was not translated from French it was translated from Hebrew and often a lot gets lost in translation which is why I'm trying to help you by referring you to the original text.

Do I now need the Hebrew Bible to understand scriptures? Must I understand Hebrew to read Bible?
It would help you greatly in understanding the scriptures if you made reference to the Hebrew bible. Luckily for you you don't have to go and learn Hebrew before you can study the original hebrew. We live in an information age and all this information is readily available for those that truly seek to be informed.

Is God in natural body form? Isnt He Spirit? Ask yourself in what form was Man created? In what form do we return to God? Answer the questions to help your undertstanding.
In answer to you question I'll do you as you do me, I'll respond with a question.
What do you think of this bible verse and it's relevance to what you are asking me?

24And Jacob was left alone. And a man wrestled with him until the breaking of the day. 25When the man saw that he did not prevail against Jacob, he touched his hip socket, and Jacob’s hip was put out of joint as he wrestled with him. 26Then he said, “Let me go, for the day has broken.” But Jacob said, “I will not let you go unless you bless me.” 27And he said to him, “What is your name?” And he said, “Jacob.” 28Then he said, “Your name shall no longer be called Jacob, but Israel,f for you have striven with God and with men, and have prevailed.” 29Then Jacob asked him, “Please tell me your name.” But he said, “Why is it that you ask my name?” And there he blessed him. 30So Jacob called the name of the place Peniel,g saying, “For I have seen God face to face, and yet my life has been delivered.”

And this one:

And they heard the sound of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the ...
Genesis 3:8

What form was Yahweh in these passages, Physical or non physical?

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Religion / Re: The Composite Nature Of Man by PastorAIO: 12:51pm On Mar 17
enshy:

Hey bro:
See this, vs 18-20, talks about the flesh i.e the body...It goes same place to the ground, its buried and decomposes: thats how it returns to the dusts
vs 21, this now differentiates the destination of the Spirit, your version calls it breathe...Gods breathe is Spirit having physical life through the body.
Thats why your version calls it breathe, my version - KJV calls it Spirit...Mans Spirit returns to the creator for judgment while that of beast is buried in the grave.
Rem ' it is appointed unto man once to die, after this judgment' - Heb 9:27

Why are you dribbling yourself like this na?

Forget my version your version KJV whatever. What does the original Hebrew say? Where and when does it use Nismat and where and when does it use Ruah?
Religion / Re: The Composite Nature Of Man by PastorAIO: 12:49pm On Mar 17
enshy:

No I firmly disagree with your postulations.
The twist is: The breathe is what makes us all living bodies.
We are all Spirit beings; it wasnt just air, it was LIFE!
The air makes it possible for the Spirit to live in bodily form..When the air is ceased, the Spirit departs from the body and returns to the creator!
Spirit of Man never dies, only the body dies...Its eternal!

Men, you can disagree as firmly as you like, as firm as a pharmacy if you like, that doesn't change what the passage is saying. And it is not my postulation it is simply what the passage says.

Nismat is not Ruach. That's all.

What Yahweh breathed into Haadam was Nismat. All living beings have Ruach so it is not something that is unique to Mankind. Therefore these your postulations on composite nature of man are just things that you are making up as you go along.
Religion / Re: The Composite Nature Of Man by PastorAIO: 11:25am On Mar 17
enshy:

God's breathe of life is the Spirit in Man.
God is emotional and God is Spirit so also is Man.

Let us do a proper study of the passages you are drawing from.

When Yahweh 'breathed' into Haadam so that he became a living being that was called Nismat. Yes? So Yahweh breathed Nismat into Haadam.

It would be a mistake to conflate Nismat with Ruach. I believe that Ruach is what you are trying to refer to when you talk of the spirit of God and the Spirit of Man. Nismat is just the air that goes into and out of our lungs.

Let us look at Genesis 7:22
22Everything on the dry land in whose nostrils was the breath of life died.

The actual Hebrew says: All that had the Nismat of the Ruah of Life died.

These are two totally different things. So Ruach can Nismat, ie Ruach can breathe. But Ruach is NOT Nismat.

Furthermore we learn that all living beings have this Ruach of Life so it is not something exclusive to humans.
Religion / Re: The Composite Nature Of Man by PastorAIO: 11:12am On Mar 17
enshy:

No I disagree with you.
Its rhetorical...Read from verse 18-22.
He talked about the certainty and equality of the end of both Man and Beast in death!
vs 21, he differentiates the conditions of after life for both Man and Beast: in particular he mentions the destination and end of both spirits. vs 19-20, he states the end and destination of both flesh/bodies ending in the dust.

18I said to myself concerning the sons of men, “God has surely tested them in order for them to see that they are but beasts.” 19For the fate of the sons of men and the fate of beasts is the same. As one dies so dies the other; indeed, they all have the same breath and there is no advantage for man over beast, for all is vanity. 20All go to the same place. All came from the dust and all return to the dust. 21Who knows that the breath of man ascends upward and the breath of the beast descends downward to the earth?


Please where is the differentiation in saying that they all have the same breath and they all go to the same place.

The passage is saying that those who are differentiating the destination (ie such as yourself) are merely speculating and talking about what they do not know.
Religion / Re: SANKPANA ~ THE TALKING CALABASH by PastorAIO: 2:05am On Mar 17
Please let us be making sure that we are paying the requisite royalties to the estate of Osamaro Ibie.

You never know......

Heaven knows who will be saved....
Religion / Re: The Composite Nature Of Man by PastorAIO: 8:17pm On Mar 16
enshy:

Emotions is both human and divine!
Its a Spirit xtic - thats the real man, the body only plays out the script of the spirit.

Why do you say so? What are your reasons?
Religion / Re: The Composite Nature Of Man by PastorAIO: 8:16pm On Mar 16
enshy:

Beuautiful!
The Man, Spirit returns to God while the Spirit of the animal is buried with the body.
The mans body decays while the Spirit returns to God!
At death, the righteous man spirit goes into paradise while the unrighteous spirit goes to hell. That of the animal is buried with the body and remains there.

That is not what the passage says!!! undecided undecided undecided

It's a question that is actually an admission of ignorance.
Religion / Re: Atheists Come And See: The Most Powerful Argument For The Existence Of God by PastorAIO: 5:07pm On Mar 16
UyiIredia:
It's actually one of the arguments I posted earlier on this thread

http://www.nairaland.com/2353987/three-arguments-gods-existence

The argument from consciousness: Consciousness is not a physical thing. It's also called awareness and that's not physical. It's not a physical thing that you can observe and measure but is the means by which you observe and measure. It's critical to my argument that consciousness be understood as something immaterial, which it actually is, going by its definition. If you think about it all knowledge stems from consciousness because to truly know anything you must be aware of it. You cannot know what you are not aware of.

Now if atheists are right then there should be no consciousness at all. In a purely physical world consciousness would be the anathema, something strange. But there is consciousness and therefore the atheist is not correct. Consciousness being immaterial cannot be explained by physical means. It did not evolve since evolution applies to physical beings. It does not spontaenously emerge because emergence typically deals with how complex PHYSICAL systems arise from simpler precursors. Atheism being materialistic in nature has nothing to offer to explain mental awareness. But the theist believing in an eternal conscious God has a means to explain consciousness. And that my friends wraps up my argument.

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This is quite nonsensical.

Why is everything not consciousness? Including rocks and trees.

Why do you insist that Consciousness is not material? That is the first unfounded thing you say and then base your entire argument on. That makes your argument a baseless argument.
Religion / Re: The Composite Nature Of Man by PastorAIO: 4:50pm On Mar 16
What do you think of Ecclesiastes 3:21?

Who knows whether the spirit of man goes upward and the spirit of the beast goes down into the earth?
Religion / Re: The Composite Nature Of Man by PastorAIO: 4:45pm On Mar 16
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Religion / Re: For Deepsight by PastorAIO: 2:41pm On Mar 15
DeepSight:


Well personally I believe that this world is a simulated reality and your body is the virtual reality visor and tool that you wear in this reality. Thus whatever is behind this reality may be a bunch of lab scientists on the other side once the visor is taken off. It may even be a casino. whatever. But I was referring to whatever is the ultimate source of any finite reality whatsoever. An ultimate reality.

How are you sure that the body is the 'visor'? Is the body and your experience of it not a part of the 'simulated reality'? Everything in this so called 'simulated reality' including our body, AND our sense of individuality, distinct person is subject to change. Thus 'taking of' the 'visor'/body has just as much effect on our experience as taking off our underwear. Why should you trust that what ever it is you see on after death is an ultimate reality? Why shouldn't the 'simulated reality' continue?

Furthermore, people don't have to die to get a sense of experiencing a deeper substrate to reality.

And a part of the mystical experiences that people have is a sense of identity not confined to the body but inclusive of the entire universe. A sense that I AM the entire universe.

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Religion / Re: Problems with Evolutionary Theory by PastorAIO: 10:37am On Mar 09
ScienceWatch:
Herod never died in 6BC.

How can logic solve a problem when the facts are wrong. I just found some interesting Facts.

Q: "Are there any historical writings, other than the Bible, that prove that Jesus ever really lived?"

A: Yes. Cornelius Tacitus (A.D. 55-120) was considered the greatest historian of ancient Rome. He wrote of Nero who "punished with the most exquisite tortures, the persons commonly called Christians, who were hated for their enormities. Christus [Christ], the founder of the name, was put to death by Pontius Pilate, procurator of Judea in the reign of Tiberius: but the pernicious superstition, repressed for a time, broke out again, not only through Judea, where the mischief originiated, but through the city of Rome also."

Also, Flavius Josephus, a Jewish historian, (A.D. 38-100+) wrote about Jesus in his Jewish Antiquities, saying that Jesus was a wise man who did surprising feats, taught many, won over followers from among Jews and Greeks, that Jesus was believed to be the Messiah, was accused by the Jewish leaders, was condemned to be crucified by Pilate, and was considered to be resurrected.

The existence of Jesus Christ is recorded not only by Josephus and Tacitus, but also by ancient writers such as Suetonius, Thallus, Pliny the Younger, and Lucian.

And from the Jewish Talmud, "we learn that Jesus was conceived out of wedlock, gathered disciples, made blasphemous claims about himself, and worked miracles, but these miracles are attributed to sorcery and not to God."

You need to find someone to discuss the existence of Jesus with you since it seems that that is what you want to discuss. I was discussing the obvious hoaxes in the bible.
Religion / Re: Olokun Great Goddess Of The Sea ~ Worship, Divinations, Initiations, Invocations by PastorAIO: 10:30am On Mar 09
donnie:


Because of idolatry.

Ok o! So maybe olokun adherents were displeasing olokun too.

Abi? Or is what is good for the gander not good for the good again?
Religion / Re: Pope Leo X And His Most Infamous Declaration About Christianity!a Must Read! by PastorAIO: 8:09pm On Feb 21
^^ God gave the world malaria and HIV?

evidence?


There is about as much evidence here as there is that God created the universe.
Religion / Re: Hell Exists Because God Loves You by PastorAIO: 10:23pm On Jan 02
4everGod:
The same Peter who was among those you said Jesus categorically commanded to go and forgive sins yet his own comment denies your dishonest scriptural position. [/b]

Please you'll have to show me where I said so. I was quoting John's gospel. That is where I read it. Abi is John's gospel 'vomit' from a 'spirit of deception'?

Since you have given yourself the position of teacher. Oya teach. I asked a simple straightforward question.


Why did Jesus Say that if they withhold forgiveness then the forgiveness is withheld?

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Religion / Re: Hell Exists Because God Loves You by PastorAIO: 9:46pm On Jan 02
4everGod:
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Lmao at detailed investigation. An investigation you wish to first of all plant your own incriminating evidence before any investigation is carried out. grin grin grin






Please Mr Dundee United Can a messenger withhold something His boss has already released?




So why did Jesus say if they withhold it is withheld. Or is there another meaning to 'withhold' that we don't know.

I am presuming, since you fail miserably at answering direct questions, that you believe that apostles cannot withhold forgiveness.

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Religion / Re: Hell Exists Because God Loves You by PastorAIO: 9:09pm On Jan 02
4everGod:


grin grin grin

Now you are splitting it to WITHHOLDING FORGIVENESS. Okay o

You make it sound like it is a crime to dissect or split a sentence. Why do you think that you are so apprehensive about a detailed investigation?



The simplest thing for you to have done would have been to reverse all i just broke down to you using your new argument and you would still get the same answer as the above.


NO MAN CAN WITHHOLD FORGIVENESS WHEN GOD HAS ALREADY FORGIVEN. Any man who does that is not of God

Jesus always taught on forgiveness. He never taught on withholding forgiveness. So is a Child of God or a man of God or an apostle then permitted to withhold forgiveness when the one who sent him on the assignment has already forgiven and they know that God has forgiven especially since the principles for RECONCILIATION have been met? Can i get a Yes or No answer from you?

Please make it clear for me. Is it possible for Jesus' apostles to withhold forgiveness or not? simple question.
Religion / Re: Hell Exists Because God Loves You by PastorAIO: 8:44pm On Jan 02

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4everGod:


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cheesy cheesy This is bible study so do not be in a hurry na afterall you were not in a hurry when you were yapping earlier abi?

Now if according to 1st John 1: 9

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

And we have agreed that God sent Jesus to reconcile sinful man to God and He in turn sent his disciples to continue the ministry of reconciliation which according to 2nd Corinthians 5: 17-18 says

17 Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come.
18 Now all these things are from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation.


And when they go and preach Jesus those who receive the gospel are to accept Jesus as their Lord and savior by doing what? They are to ask God for mercy from their sins and forsake them and then God would forgive them according to 1st John 1:9 and then the disciples can ASSURE them that their sins are forgiven not as a new thing but as a confirmation of God ALREADY forgiving them for their repentance.

Without Repentance their can be no forgiveness!

This is the order you PastorAIO must remember from today onwards


REPENTANCE
GOD FORGIVES YOU
MAN CONFIRMS IT AS AN ASSURANCE


NO MAN CAN FORGIVE YOU YOUR SINS AGAINST GOD WHEN YOU ARE YET IN SIN. God first forgives you ON THE SPOT the moment you confess and forsake your sin and then the disciples can assure you of your SALVATION or FORGIVENESS.

This is salvation 101. I decided to simplify the process of explanation so even you would stop arguing and stop your by fire by force desire to see scripture in a dishonest way. If after this simplified breakdown you still wish to argue then everyone would see your dishonesty in living colour.

Note Acts 2: 37-38

37 When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, "Brothers, what shall we do?

38 Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit[/size].

Thank you.

NO MAN CAN FORGIVE YOU YOUR SINS AGAINST GOD WHEN YOU ARE YET IN SIN. God first forgives you ON THE SPOT the moment you confess and forsake your sin and then the disciples can assure you of your SALVATION or FORGIVENESS.

What if the apostle decides to withhold forgiveness?


If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you withhold forgiveness from any, it is withheld.
John 20

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