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Religion / Re: Slave Shackles From 1852 With Freemason Symbol Clearly Imprinted On Them by PastorAIO: 6:28pm On Jun 24, 2022 |
Religion / Re: Slave Shackles From 1852 With Freemason Symbol Clearly Imprinted On Them by PastorAIO: 6:26pm On Jun 24, 2022 |
https://www.christianitytoday.com/history/issues/issue-33/why-christians-supported-slavery.html Many southern Christians felt that slavery, in one Baptist minister’s words, “stands as an institution of God.” Here are some common arguments made by Christians at the time: Biblical Reasons • Abraham, the “father of faith,” and all the patriarchs held slaves without God’s disapproval (Gen. 21:9–10). • Canaan, Ham’s son, was made a slave to his brothers (Gen. 9:24–27). • The Ten Commandments mention slavery twice, showing God’s implicit acceptance of it (Ex. 20:10, 17). • Slavery was widespread throughout the Roman world, and yet Jesus never spoke against it. • The apostle Paul specifically commanded slaves to obey their masters (Eph. 6:5–. • Paul returned a runaway slave, Philemon, to his master (Philem. 12). Charitable and Evangelistic Reasons • Slavery removes people from a culture that “worshipped the devil, practiced witchcraft, and sorcery” and other evils. • Slavery brings heathens to a Christian land where they can hear the gospel. Christian masters provide religious instruction for their slaves. • Under slavery, people are treated with kindness, as many northern visitors can attest. • It is in slaveholders’ own interest to treat their slaves well. • Slaves are treated more benevolently than are workers in oppressive northern factories. Social Reasons • Just as women are called to play a subordinate role (Eph. 5:22; 1 Tim. 2:11–15), so slaves are stationed by God in their place. • Slavery is God’s means of protecting and providing for an inferior race (suffering the “curse of Ham” in Gen. 9:25 or even the punishment of Cain in Gen. 4:12). • Abolition would lead to slave uprisings, bloodshed, and anarchy. Consider the mob’s “rule of terror” during the French Revolution. Political Reasons • Christians are to obey civil authorities, and those authorities permit and protect slavery. • The church should concentrate on spiritual matters, not political ones. • Those who support abolition are, in James H. Thornwell’s words, “atheists, socialists, communists [and] red republicans.” 1 Like 1 Share |
Religion / Re: Slave Shackles From 1852 With Freemason Symbol Clearly Imprinted On Them by PastorAIO: 12:11pm On Jun 24, 2022 |
OLAADEGBU: Could you kindly open a thread for it if you really want to discuss any shackles on my feet? I wonder why you are so keen to change the subject, on a thread that you started yourself. You say freemasons were slave traders. The entire country that you worship so much (USA) was built on slavery, by christian slave owners who converted and taught bible to the slaves. All your religious institutions supported it, and even the bible lays out laws for carrying out the slavery of others. How can you accuse JW of being slave traders when the bible itself is in support of the heinous activity? |
Religion / Re: Slave Shackles From 1852 With Freemason Symbol Clearly Imprinted On Them by PastorAIO: 12:01pm On Jun 24, 2022 |
OLAADEGBU: I will make due consideration of any spiritual shackles o, thanks for your concern. However my point above, as perfectly demonstrated by this thread and its contents, is a point often made by Jesus/yahushua/Joshua, which is that your obsessions with the shortcomings of others have made you totally blind to your own shortcomings, so tay you are trying to remove dust in someone's eye while you have a whole log of wood in your own eye. this phenomenon is also known as irony. You obviously lack any sense of irony and fail to see how it pours out of every pore of your being. Anyway sha, this thread stands as a example and lesson to those who would like to understand Matthew 7:5 1 Like |
Religion / Re: Slave Shackles From 1852 With Freemason Symbol Clearly Imprinted On Them by PastorAIO: 2:26pm On Jun 21, 2022 |
We should retitle this thread: Blackness Wars: Pots versus Kettles OLAADEGBU: |
Religion / Re: I Thought I Was Getting Closer To God Not Knowing It Was Mental Illness by PastorAIO: 7:54am On May 16, 2022 |
Think how many more religious fanatics on this site are actually in need of psychiatric attention. That's why it is wise not to get to emotionally involved with threads. 3 Likes |
Religion / Evil Source Of Evangelical Christianity by PastorAIO: 11:05am On May 03, 2022 |
https://medium.com/belover/the-greatest-evangelical-cleric-was-a-slaveowner-eafc23bbb6b0 The founder of Evangelicalism was a white supremacist All this explains the mind and postings of evangelical christians on NL like Olaadegbu. 2 Likes |
Religion / Re: Divination by PastorAIO: 12:43pm On May 02, 2022 |
An example of divination is the I Ching. I Ching divides all possibilities into 64 possible scenarios. Each of those scenarios can be generated by casting 3 coins 6 times. For example, imagine a man wants to buy a business. He has the money to do so and the way seems clear for him to do so, yet he consults the I Ching Oracle. He casts his coins 6 times and the Hexagram 34 is the result. Then he opens the book and reads the interpretation of the hexagram. https://www.iching-online.com/hexagrams/iching-hexagram-001111.html I Ching Hexagram 34. Ta Chuang / The Power of the Great The Judgement The Power of the Great. Perseverance furthers. line 1 Power in the toes. Continuing brings misfortune. This is certainly true. Line 3: The inferior man works through power. The superior man does not act thus. To continue is dangerous. A goat butts against a hedge And gets its horns entangled. From studying the lines and reading the text he comes to the conclusion that though he is in a powerful position if he proceeds he will get stuck. Maybe the business may get him entangled in a situation that he can't reverse from. He decides not to buy the business. All this is done with reasoning and has nothing to do with trances, familiar spirits, or mediumship. |
Religion / Re: Divination by PastorAIO: 12:25pm On May 02, 2022 |
Since you have the Holy Spirit then why don't you tell me where I am and what colour shirt I'm wearing? I don't need to waste money on plane ticket. As a Wafi guy to another wafi guy, please all your waffle below does not impress me. Although I'm sure that you'll find many that will be impressed. Mumu nor de ever finish for world. saynotocultism: |
Religion / Re: Divination by PastorAIO: 12:19pm On May 02, 2022 |
kkins25: lol! They are very good at their theology of the gaps. Where there is no information that is where they let their imaginations run mad. Because there was no mention of Lots after Acts chapter 1 therefore Lots are forbidden. It is actually a spiritual malaise that they are suffering and yet despite their pain they want to portray themselves as superior to others. Pastoshizzy: Mr Man, you are not demonstrating anything. Anybody can make up stories. I challenge you that you are lying. How do I know? because it is what I have come to expect from 'christians'. There is evidence of your fondness for lying all over Nairaland. In your mendacious imagination you think you have more experience than me. You don't even know me. Exoticfarmer: 1. What has using a new word got to do with the gist of the matter? or you're trying to deflect. that is another tactic I've observed in lying christians. 2. Another pernicious and obnoxious trait that demoniacs portray is to play victim when they are in fact the aggressor. In spite of the clear evidence on this thread. The OP started with an inquiry. During divination, does the diviner hear from the gods? I and Tenshades laid out that there is a distinction between mediumship and divination. However others used the inquiry as an opportunity to attack traditional religion with claims that are still unproven on this thread. A simple request that you should back up your claims, and explain how you arrived at your opinion, na lie, una begin una prevaricating and you now use this your post to throw jibes at me. 3. You nko? You make no argument at all. If my argument is feeble then the way discourse works is that you demonstrate with counter argument why it is feeble. But you can't because you're under the influence of a lying spirit. 4. You are being ignorant about the Holy Spirit. A claim is made that the 'Holy Spirit' will tell you everything you need to know. Then I ask, quite simply. If you have a medical condition, to you get advise from a qualified medical practitioner or do you ask the 'Holy Spirit'? Just because you cannot answer this question because the answer exposes your claim as nonsensical you resort to calling me ignorant and nonchalant, Abi? And you claim that it is I that is kindling strife. Such foolishness has been the bane of my country Nigeria. All your claims that you claim are falling flat on the ground before your face every where we look in Nigeria. All the prophecies made in your fake-assed churches fail. Even the church building sef fails and kills many with it. Yet the madness continues and it is due to arrogant agents of misguided folly such as yourself. |
Religion / Re: Divination by PastorAIO: 1:13pm On May 01, 2022 |
Totalitarian: Oh boy, wetin I go talk again. Person wey no know me dey tell me say he get experience pass me. How do you answer that on line without sounding as foolish as the guy who said it. I've said what I need to say. Okay, if you insist I go respond later. |
Religion / Re: Divination by PastorAIO: 3:39pm On Apr 28, 2022 |
Exoticfarmer: You and LilMissFavvy may believe what ever you want to believe but the fact remains the same. We all know what casting of lots is. Don't let the truth stop you from believing what you feel you have to believe though. LilMissFavvy: This is a lie and you know it because you yourself have referenced the appointment of Matthias. Abi is that one not in the New Testament again? LilMissFavvy:I never said anybody with wisdom can interpret Ifa. I said if you were intelligent and had good pattern recognition skills. Thereafter, the disciples did not cast lots again, I stand to be correctedThe Ultracrepidarian in you has started again o. How can you state so authoritatively that it didn't happen again? Were you there? Is trinity mentioned in the bible? Yet I bet you believe in the trinity. Since the Holy Spirit is teaching you all that you need to know, why do you bother to go to school? Why do you go and get legal advice, why do you seek medical advise. Why not just ask the holy spirit in you? |
Religion / Re: Divination by PastorAIO: 12:53pm On Apr 28, 2022 |
LilMissFavvy: There is a woman on Twitter called Susie Dent. Everyday she posts a new 'word of the day'. Usually obscure words from the 19th century. Ultracrepidarian was the word of the day when we started talking. I relished the chance to put it to use. |
Religion / Re: Divination by PastorAIO: 12:50pm On Apr 28, 2022 |
Your tune has changed here. You even changed genre, you went from hip hop and now you are on reggae. At least we can now conclude that Bible did not condemn casting of lots as you said: Bible condemns casting lots, and use of these mediums. I am unable to understand if you are trying to insult' me oga undecided. Now you continue to damn divination because you say after the election of Matthias it was not mentioned again. However the fact that it is not mentioned in the bible does not mean that they didn't still practice it and that Churches of the Apostolic traditions don't still practice it. There has always been a spiritual way to get divine messages, not just through divination. That is what Prophecy is all about. Prophecy didn't start after pentecost. In fact every thing that happened in pentecost had already happened before. The claim, as I understand it, is that magnitude of the outpouring of spirit would increase. So even those not considered prophets would prophecy. "In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams." This prophecy of Joel's was used in Acts as the explanation of what went on in Pentecost. It wasn't the first time people dreamed or prophesied. The only difference was that it was being poured out on all flesh. Despite the fact that some messages were given directly from yhwh by his prophets did not stop the fact that divination tools were used too. 1Samuel 28:6 And when Saul inquired of the LORD, the LORD did not answer him, either by dreams, or by Urim, or by prophets. The Urim and the Thummin were the chief divination tools that the Hebrews used and they used them at the same time they were also consulting prophets and interpreting dreams. Now the OP asked whether these gadgets that the priests used to tell his future meant that they were hearing from God. I, and Tenshades, explained that these are two very separate things. Channeling spirits is totally different from using divination tools. When you channel, you go into a trance, yet when you use divining tools your very much alert and your brain is working to interpret the outcome of the divination. You don't have to go in a trance or even be initiated. For example, with Ifa, anybody that has the intelligence and the perception for pattern recognition can interpret Ifa. It is very much brain work as opposed to spirit work. LilMissFavvy: 2 Likes |
Religion / Re: Divination by PastorAIO: 8:28am On Apr 28, 2022 |
Ultracrepidarian ultracrepidarian Definition: one who is presumptuous and offers advice or opinions beyond one’s sphere of knowledge https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/polite-words-for-impolite-people/ultracrepidarian 1 Like |
Religion / Re: Divination by PastorAIO: 7:59am On Apr 28, 2022 |
It is not an insult. I’m just keen to know how you ( and now saynotocultism ) arrived at your knowledge. You say there are ways to know things without getting involved. Fair enough. Explain the way you came to know these things without getting involved. Please where in the bible is the casting of lots condemned. In my bible it says that it is the Will of God. That's how we know God's will. Proverbs 16:33 33The lot is cast into the lap, but its every decision is from the LORD. There is a comprehensive list of all the mentions of Lots in the bible in Wikipedia, under the chapter of Cleromancy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleromancy Casting of lots is mentioned 47 times in the Bible. Some examples in the Hebrew Bible of the casting of lots as a means of determining God's will: LilMissFavvy: |
Religion / Re: Divination by PastorAIO: 7:53am On Apr 28, 2022 |
LilMissFavvy: The fact remains, there is a difference between divination and mediumship. If you take a closer look at the types of threads I create you'll realise that I'm actually Anti-Satan, anti-hypocrites, and anti-liars. If you can avoid these traits you'll have nothing to fear from me. You and the cult guy have come with quite an elaborate scheme of land spirits marine spirits and all what not. Simple request of how you arrived at this knowledge and you start to chew your teeth and accuse me of being anti-christian. Were you and your cult friend lying when you made your posts or is there a real foundation to the theories you espouse? 2 Likes 1 Share |
Religion / Re: Divination by PastorAIO: 11:07pm On Apr 27, 2022 |
LilMissFavvy: Have you been involved? What is the extent of your involvement. Did you carry familiar spirits with you back home? Do you still have your familiar spirits? 2 Likes |
Religion / Re: Divination by PastorAIO: 11:05pm On Apr 27, 2022 |
There is a difference between medium and divination. |
Religion / Re: Divination by PastorAIO: 7:52pm On Apr 27, 2022 |
cofta: The use of divination is common to all humanity. In the bible too they use Umin and Thummin and they also use casting of lots wella wella. This is different from mediumship where you supposedly hear directly from god. The ‘fetish things’ they bring out are interpreted according to some rules. It might help to check out Jung’s theory of synchronicity. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Religion / Re: Ifa Orisa Religion - Is This Our True Identity: Our True Religion by PastorAIO: 6:06pm On Apr 26, 2022 |
Okanran Meji Okanran speaks of the end of a linear process. A system that once worked but has now become stagnant, or worse, starts producing the opposite effects from what was intended. Such a situation is often depicted as a drought, or famine. Dynasties and lineages are such linear structures. There is something that has been passed down from generation to generation but it's reached the end of the line now. The crown prince will not inherit his father's throne. The son will not receive his inheritance. However, on the other hand, if he departs from the lineage and goes to a foreign country or another place he will get crowned there, or be bequeathed something from someone else's family. That change and the new energy and flow it brings is often depicted as a long anticipated rain fall that ends the drought. O kan mi o O kan ö of ögbön a gbön ju Imonran a mo ju lo difa fun Laarumo Ti o jeki won fi omo Oloye je oye A se rerun ebo nii gbe ni Ai ru kii gbe wa It's my turn It's your turn Wisdom will out-wise itself Schemes will over sabi themselves This was divined from Laarumo who didn't want the son of the chief to inherit the title. Sacrificing ebo is what saves one failure to sacrifice will not save us. This is the story of a guy that was tampering with the election process of choosing the next King. He felt that as the son of the previous king the title should fall to him by rights. As a consequence of the tampering he lost his life. 2/ Bęlębo o ba peni Ašefin won o yeni Oro temi o se wo Kolombo ni n o soju A did fun Eji Okanran NIjo ti n re ele Etilę won ni o rubo O d'Etilę lo d'omo Igba ti o d'Etilę lo o fę Ile wa mõ O d'Etilę lo di ömö If the owner of the sacrifice does not call one then the efficacy of the sacrifice is not one's concern The matter that I'm not involved in My face will not show anxiety over it This was divined for Okanran Meji when he was going to the land of Etile. He was asked to sacrifice "It is when you reached Etile that you became a recognised child" "When you reached Etilę you refused to return home" "It is when you reached Etilę you became a cherished child" Whatever worked for the querent's ancestors no longer work for him/her. Yet s/he will go to a foreign land and prosper there. S/he will become an honorary member of the foreign land. In fact s/he might do so well there, better than the indigenes. Even to the extent that she is crowned the ruler of the foreign land. In some verses it transpires that there was a famine or drought in the foreign land and the arrival of the querent brings about a refreshing rainfall. Because of that s/he is appreciated and honoured. Something this person is doing is not being appreciated in his homeland, but if he were to travel abroad with it he will become successful. |
Religion / Re: Ifa Orisa Religion - Is This Our True Identity: Our True Religion by PastorAIO: 3:20pm On Apr 26, 2022 |
PastorMIsBack: You miss the part about Baptism. 'Repent and be baptised'. You also miss the subsequent Tithes and First Fruits that you have to keep up with if you want to 'make heaven'. As they say, "if you are not paying for it, YOU are the commodity". Facebook is free but those that own Facebook know how they are using you to make money. (a victim of technological money ritual). Jesus is free, but you will still pay one way or the other. 1 Like |
Religion / Re: Ifa Orisa Religion - Is This Our True Identity: Our True Religion by PastorAIO: 2:46pm On Apr 26, 2022 |
DeepSight: You go into Igbodu (the forest of Odu) and get initiated, that is the process called Itefa. They open the calabash of Odu and you look inside. Can you expatiate on this please? And how do men Odu is talked about a lot in Ofun Meji, that is an Ifa odu (small letter odu). Ogbaragada li o dia fun Odu Ogbaragada made the divination for Odu when Odu was going to create all the character in the world (Iwa gbogbo) He was told to make sacrifice. Four poles and one big calabash with a lid and a chain. He heard and made the sacrifice No one would ever question his authority he was told. He should plant the 4 posts and place the calabash on them and use the Chain to attach the poles to his hands. He did as he was told. The day Odu created all the characters and forms in the world is called Oodua ( Odu ti o da Iwa). He created all that exists within the calabash We and all creation are all living inside that calabash. A deep study of Ofun Meji will reveal that those 4 posts are nothing other than the 4 Elements that Hermetic traditions tells us that the world is made out of. White, Red, Yellow, and Black. |
Religion / Re: Ifa Orisa Religion - Is This Our True Identity: Our True Religion by PastorAIO: 6:30pm On Apr 25, 2022 |
twaintoy: I've found out that Women can witness Odu but only post menopausal women. Any fertile woman that sees Odu will have her womb ruined. Perhaps being charged naturally with Odu already it will cause an imbalance in femininity. |
Religion / Re: Did Jephthah Actually Sacrifice His Daughter To The Lord As A Burnt Offering? by PastorAIO: 2:28pm On Mar 23, 2022 |
OLAADEGBU: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Q9iCZkzTUk |
Religion / Re: Did Jephthah Actually Sacrifice His Daughter To The Lord As A Burnt Offering? by PastorAIO: 10:41am On Mar 23, 2022 |
OLAADEGBU: Hands up. I fell for it. That old ‘change the subject’ trick. You got me. Abeg why did your god give direct statutes to the Hebrews to sacrifice their children? |
Religion / Re: Did Jephthah Actually Sacrifice His Daughter To The Lord As A Burnt Offering? by PastorAIO: 10:35am On Mar 23, 2022 |
OLAADEGBU: Since he doesn’t like sacrifice and burnt offering then why does he ask for it from Moses? If the smell of burning carcass is a sweet aroma to him and he asks for it from Moses then why the contradictions? Which is the lie, which is the liar? Moses or Hosea? |
Religion / Re: Did Jephthah Actually Sacrifice His Daughter To The Lord As A Burnt Offering? by PastorAIO: 5:19pm On Mar 22, 2022 |
OLAADEGBU:The person whose heart hasn’t been hardened to break them…. Supposedly Who is able to sacrifice their own children? Ans: people following the commands of yhwh. |
Religion / Re: Did Jephthah Actually Sacrifice His Daughter To The Lord As A Burnt Offering? by PastorAIO: 5:03pm On Mar 22, 2022 |
PastorAIO: OLAADEGBU: Eh ehn. Abeg, harden hearts and giving statutes and rules are two different things. |
Religion / Re: Did Jephthah Actually Sacrifice His Daughter To The Lord As A Burnt Offering? by PastorAIO: 11:04am On Mar 22, 2022 |
Ezekiel 20:25 25Moreover, I gave them statutes that were not good and rules by which they could not have life, 26and I defiled them through their very gifts in their offering up all their firstborn, that I might devastate them. I did it that they might know that I am the LORD. |
Religion / Re: Does The Bible Endorse Human Sacrifice? by PastorAIO: 2:27pm On Feb 25, 2022 |
Isaiah 60 11Your gates shall be open continually; day and night they shall not be shut, that people may bring to you the wealth of the nations, with their kings led in procession. 12 For the nation and kingdom that will not serve you shall perish; those nations shall be utterly laid waste . Isaiah 45 14Thus says the LORD: “The wealth of Egypt and the merchandise of Cush, and the Sabeans, men of stature, shall come over to you and be yours; they shall follow you; they shall come over in chains and bow down to you. They will plead with you, saying: ‘Surely God is in you, and there is no other, no god besides him.’” Now we are starting to get the agenda. killyaselfie: |
Religion / Re: Does The Bible Endorse Human Sacrifice? by PastorAIO: 3:05pm On Feb 24, 2022 |
But really we don’t need to read the bible to see that nefarious nasty evil of this entity that claims to be the creator of the world. Just look around wherever his adherents are. Look all over Nigeria and the world where the abrahamics prevail. When we started to obsess on this abrahamic evils that was when the country started getting worse and worse. When Roman Empire embraced it that was when Rome fell. For Western Europe to rise to where it is today they had to embrace humanism and scientific enquiry which the church viciously opposed. This whole affair is so barbarous and nasty. Hateful deceitful narcissistic repulsive people are produced by following it. 2 Likes |
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