smartigo:

Do you have a copy of the Quran? It does. I only used the word prophet because that is what he was called in the book while we Christians call him savior.

Christinity, Islam, Hindu, and all other forms of religion all stole their stories from African spirituality. Islam as a religion is not older than 500 years old,

mankand:


Christianity, Islam, Hindu, and all other forms of religion all stole their stories from African spirituality. Islam as a religion is not older than 500 years old,

Can you prove that?! What are the elements in the respective religions that are found in African spirituality?

Kay17:


Can you prove that?! What are the elements in the respective religions that are found in African spirituality?

There are tons of them. I do not know where to start from. To be honest, the first spiritual writing to be written was on stones and it is found in Egypt, in the tomb of Khufu, without these first spiritual writing, there will be no bible, koran, or torah.

There is a book titled "Osiris and the Egyptian Ressurection" There is a particular chapter that talked and emphasized about African spirituality and how it was all copied, plagiarised into all other religions. Why did you think the pope said that that all religions are true?it is simple, because they were stolen from Africa and Egypt

The christians cannot show you the ark of Noah, but i can show you the Nu Ankh, the boat to Khufu which was used to transport Khufu to his celestial fathers during the flooding of the nile river.

The jews and the israelited cannot show you the ark of covenant, but i can show you the ceramics of Maat

mankand:


There are tons of them. I do not know where to start from. To be honest, the first spiritual writing to be written was on stones and it is found in Egypt, in the tomb of Khufu, without these first spiritual writing, there will be no bible, koran, or torah.

There is a book titled "Osiris and the Egyptian Ressurection" There is a particular chapter that talked and emphasized about African spirituality and how it was all copied, plagiarised into all other religions. Why did you think the pope said that that all religions are true?it is simple, because they were stolen from Africa and Egypt

You still didn't prove anything, you just made a general statement, put up archetypal pictures of mother and child. None of which satisfies an ordinary curiosity. It is natural for a people with the ability to write, to write down their religious adventures. The Chinese, Aztecs, Mayans, all wrote down their religious literature in their own languages. The fact that I write a diary does not mean I plagarised it from you who had an earlier diary.

'There is a book' is neither sufficient proof.

Scyllapatron:
the same question a robber who was crucified beside him asked,
"Oga no be you say you be messiah, why you no fit save us and save urself? unfortunately the dude couldn't do anything,
dem don beat am well well, carry knife chuck am for belle, he begin shout' elai elai lamasabatani. '

Lolz dude...that's because crucifixion is a hoax!, the greatest lie ever told!

PastorAIO:




May I present two different 'versions' that are often conflated?

1) Jesus came to save us from our Sinful Nature

2) Jesus came to save us from the consequences of our Sinful acts

The idea is that we are not Sinners because we have Sinned, but rather we Sin because we are sinners.

If it is our Sinful nature that we to be saved from and we become a new kind of creature then Jesus' salvation project has failed in the case of the greater majority of Christians. They all still have their extremely sinful nature and the subsequent sinful acts abound.

If it is the consequences of our Sins that he has come to save us from, and those consequences culminate in our final destination in the afterlife, then we cannot judge until such a time whether he has failed or not. If there are consequences of sin before the final day of reckoning and we have been saved from those then Christians should be living better lives than non christians and a christian thief that gets caught will not suffer any consequences, neither will the christian womanizer that catches venereal disease will be cured of his disease.
If the particular consequence that we are saved from is not physical but spiritual christians will continue to suffer the physical consequences of their sins but whether the 'other' intangible consequences are escaped we can not know because we do not experience them .

There are other consequences of these beliefs. If one believes that his sins are forgiven despite his continuing to sin this will only encourage most people to sin further. This teaching encourages moral corruption. This, i believe, is why Nigerians are so morally corrupt, what was already a bad situation was made exponentially worse by these false 'christian' teachings. Note: Jesus did not teach any of these himself.

Dude, you point is baseless...do you mean, God the creator of a perfect being didn't see it fit to remove the sinful nature of his creation that he decided "prior to" or after creation to sacrifice His only begotten son for the sins of the creation He failed to remove the sinful nature of?...that is VERY logical, don't you think?

The more you try to dance your way around the truth, the more you drown in your own confusion...believe it or not, it is an instrument of oppression and a means to an economic end...Oyedepo, TBJ en co my reference, private jet?

Crocz:


Dude, you point is baseless...do you mean, God the creator of a perfect being didn't see it fit to remove the sinful nature of his creation that he decided "prior to" or after creation to sacrifice His only begotten son for the sins of the creation He failed to remove the sinful nature of?...that is VERY logical, don't you think?

The more you try to dance your way around the truth, the more you drown in your own confusion...believe it or not, it is an instrument of oppression and a means to an economic end...Oyedepo, TBJ en co my reference, private jet?

You seem confused. The basis of my points are in the OP at its question. Nothing I said there was baseless. Nothing that you've written actually applies to my post. I think you might be addressing something else entirely. Maybe a gripe you have had with christianity long before you even read my post. Anyway, please, I'd appreciate it if next time you actually read my post and made sure you understood it before you responded to it. Thanks in advance.

smartigo:

Can you prove he never existed?

Can you prove the flying spaghetti monster never existed?

PastorAIO:


You seem confused. The basis of my points are in the OP at its question. Nothing I said there was baseless. Nothing that you've written actually applies to my post. I think you might be addressing something else entirely. Maybe a gripe you have had with christianity long before you even read my post. Anyway, please, I'd appreciate it if next time you actually read my post and made sure you understood it before you responded to it. Thanks in advance.

But seriously pastor If God truly loved the world that he gave his only begotten son,has that solved any problem as we see around us?

Dapo777:


But seriously pastor If God truly loved the world that he gave his only begotten son,has that solved any problem as we see around us?

But seriously Dapo, if you truly love this discussion that you've giving your energy and time to post, has that solved the problem of not actually reading and grasping what I've said.

PastorAIO:


But seriously Dapo, if you truly love this discussion that you've giving your energy and time to post, has that solved the problem of not actually reading and grasping what I've said.

If u say Jesus saved us from the spiritual consequences of our sins and the only way to find out is When we die. Then IT'S A SCAM!!!!! Why should death be the only way to find out If Jesus has fulfilled his purpose?

You have been scammed!!!!!!!!

If I ask you to give me all ur properties for a seed that would make u get to heaven When swallowed, would u believe me? If not why? It's the same thing Christ did,we can only know after death If he truly saved us SCAM!!!!!! YOU can only know after death If the seed saved u,and If giving out all ur properties wasn't in vain.


JESUS IS CLEARLY A SCAM!!"" Thanks for the eye opener.

^^

You need to relax and read PastorAio's post again, because he was laying the two possible meanings Jesus' man saving Gospel is about.

Dapo777:


Can you prove the flying spaghetti monster never existed?

Your statement is out of place. What is your basis for asking? Are we making analogy?

Crocz:


Dude, you point is baseless...do you mean, God the creator of a perfect being didn't see it fit to remove the sinful nature of his creation that he decided "prior to" or after creation to sacrifice His only begotten son for the sins of the creation He failed to remove the sinful nature of?...that is VERY logical, don't you think?

The more you try to dance your way around the truth, the more you drown in your own confusion...believe it or not, it is an instrument of oppression and a means to an economic end...Oyedepo, TBJ en co my reference, private jet?

To be honest with you, I really don't want to be dragged further into religious argument because it does not produce any fruits.

But for people who might be reading this, understand this today: God ways are far beyond your logical reasoning on what or why he chose to do what he did. To answer your misunderstanding of the concept of God not killing our sinful natural. He said,through one man sin came, through one man sin shall be defeated.

If you can understand why Adam's sin could affect the whole world,then you would understand my explanation.
In conclusion bro, choose whatever rocks your boat. Either to believe in Him or not is your choice which God too respects.

Jesus isnt saving our world cos he lacks d elements do so, take for instance,jonathan is d president of dis country not jesus and policies he appends to decides d fate of Nigeria as a nation. Yl ur at it,also ask y jesus allowed 200 and somtin little girls to b kidnappd against dia wish to face a life of molestation and degradation dey neva bargained for as merciful and just as we wia told he is? Religion may hav its positive morals but d truth is dat evrytin about religion,including jesus is d product of a human mind at work,an extension of basic human nature and character like pay bad for bad*bad goes to hell* good for good,good goes to heaven. d very day humans shove religion aside and accept dat we are d architects of our doom and rise d better for us.

Kay17:
^^

You need to relax and read PastorAio's post again, because he was laying the two possible meanings Jesus' man saving Gospel is about.

Thank you Kay. Though I doubt he'll read it with a calm mind. But if he does, hopefully, I hope he also notes the very last sentence where I said that Jesus in the gospels taught neither of the two possible meanings.

smartigo:

Your statement is out of place. What is your basis for asking? Are we making analogy?

The same reason why you asked If he can prove God never existed.
The flying spaghetti monster is the Creator of the universe, can u prove otherwise?

Dapo777:

The same reason why you asked If he can prove God never existed.
The flying spaghetti monster is the Creator of the universe, can u prove otherwise?

Lol.
Okay for your information,the Bible says so. Which proof do u have?

smartigo:


Lol.
Okay for your information,the Bible says so. Which proof do u have?

The Bible said the flying sphagetti monster never existed?
U didn't get my question. Can u prove that the flying spaghetti monster never existed?

I actually thought of commenting some stuff here... But with wat I am seeing, I berra hold my peace. Arguing is nt my thing

Kay17:
^^

You need to relax and read PastorAio's post again, because he was laying the two possible meanings Jesus' man saving Gospel is about.

Yes I read it. He stated the first possibility and debunked it himself(pastoraio ) he then stated the second possibility that probably Christ died to take away spiritual consequences of sin,That's the last possible meaning he gave that he didn't debunk. So it means he agreed with the last possible meaning. If So ,I made him realise that If death is the only way to affirm that Jesus death wasn't in vain,then clearly It's all scam!!!!

Cmon is that difficult to understand?

Dapo777:


The Bible said the flying sphagetti monster never existed?
U didn't get my question. Can u prove that the flying spaghetti monster never existed?

I never said anytin abt that neither did I say your claim was spurious,so what do I have to prove?

I only asked him a question when you brought up your analogy.

smartigo:

I never said anytin abt that neither did I say your claim was spurious,so what do I have to prove?

I only asked him a question when you brought up your analogy.

Now we are getting somewhere. I just placed u in the same position u placed the person u were asking. Can u see how difficult it is for u to give me reason why flying spaghetti monster never existed,the same way it is difficult to prove that God never existed,.
My point is,even though you can't prove that something doesn't exist that doesn't mean it exist,as u have just seen now with the flying spaghetti monster. The day a Christian would give me unbiased reasons why They think the flying spaghetti monster doesnt exist,thats the day I would believe God exist.

PastorAIO:


hello Ihedinobi, it's been a while ...

please what exactly is the danger(s) that you have been secured from?

Hello sir. Yes it has been. Please forgive my tardiness in responding. I'm afraid my mind is generally too full for me to handle certain kinds of discussions appreciatively. Please bear with me.

My answer though is this: the danger of separation from God and all that He means eternally.

Kay17:
What if Jesus was trying to prove that his way of life was the best way to live. He probably saw living as a series of actions, and sin as an action not the abstract construct or reitifed entity Christians have made out of it. Because I have listened to what Christian theologians and pastors say about Jesus' death and it does not make an iota of sense. Most of them talk about Jesus finding a key to death or defeating Satan in a battle in the underworld. Easter itself has turned to a joke and a bizarre celebration of death.

Christians should try as much as possible to use non Christians as yardsticks for their spiritual progress because everyday, there is no difference between the 'saved' and the 'unsaved'.

Jesus was a hot tempered man,he scattered the whole temple within minutes,is that the best way to live?

Lynpetra wetin u Dey do for religion section?

Jesus was born just like everyone else, he studied, he taught, he was obedient and submit to the will of his creator (GOD), He gave up himself when he noticed that the jews (caucasian race) who he was sent to teach will never change. He was told by the supreme elders that it was of no use. why to waste time? since the rulers (the jews) wanted his head, he decided to give it to them, not even on the cross. He was embalmed by his father Joseph to last 10,000 years by an egyptian (black) embalm specialist. He is embalmed in Jerusalem. if you are a christian, you will need a signature of the pope and 6000$ (i don't know the rate today). you will see jesus's body, with your hand cuffed behind you. there are four reflections of the body so that you can tell which is which (this is so so that devils will not touch it), if you are a muslim, it's free.

to answer your question, Jesus can't save an ant now, not to talk of the world. why? he died 2014 years ago. and if he rose after three days as we all have been programmed and deceived to believe, he won't or can't live past 1000 years. Only GOD can save the world, only HE who created it all can save the world. but HE has not come to save it, HE has come to let it down flat! for everything to be made new, the old ones/existing ones must be really filthing and must be destroyed along with the man of sin and those that he deceive/ed/ing/ and will deceive.

Dapo777:
Lynpetra wetin u Dey do for religion section?

Intelligent peep plenty there.i dey read comments.

lynpetra:
Intelligent peep plenty there.i dey read comments.

Ait,I suppose u Ar a Christian,just be careful So u won't lose ur faith. I already lost mine.