vooks:
Except you are a coward and you can't admit the obvious; Hagin debunked Firstfruits lies with the contempt they deserve

Your opinion is duly noted. Goshen your attention is needed here o


Please click here and tell them mods to do something about it, that's if it's necessary

Stumbled over it online, I now know what you look like sha. Cheers

Lobeez:
Hey guys, I'm sorry if this will be considered as trolling but something caught my attention on channels TV this morning while watching David Ibiyomies Hour of Salvation. During the intro I saw a short clip of what looked like him performing the 'Lengthening the short Leg' miracle. I quickly went to youtube to see if there was a video of him doing that and voilà! I saw this:

Never knew the leg growing scam from Kenneth Hagin, A A Allen and others is still practiced today even in Naija Wow!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlj5bFBiVD0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NZcW28JrC0

If these are the kinds of so called "miracles" going on in christianity, then we're in trouble from the hands of these wolves in the midst of the sheep.

Goshen360:
If these are the kinds of so called "miracles" going on in christianity, then we're in trouble from the hands of these wolves in the midst of the sheep.

Staged leg lengthening healing was usually done by complicit ministries to fraudulently have healing credibility badges and make the public believe they have an authentic healing ministry
- the jury is still out, undecided, whether the leg lengthening healing "Baba" did, was staged and fake or it was a genuine leg lengthening healing.

Goshen360:


If these are the kinds of so called "miracles" going on in christianity, then we're in trouble from the hands of these wolves in the midst of the sheep.

No be small thing o!

Lobeez:


No be small thing o!

It is a small thing ooo, because when we were tackling these things, we were told off because some disapproved of publicly "naming and shaming" sacred cows

OK, we relented, and with some degree of censorship became less severe or intense (i.e. by not being 100% in name mentioning)
but then the disapproval shifted and turned to, it is about dead people, it is about acts involving unknown names, the grotesque or bizarre laughs is unheard of locally, the odd and ludicrous fake healing acts don't happen locally etcetera

Business as usual, WoFs on nairaland (i.e. its officers plus its rank and file) would keep quiet, they would:
1.) turn a blind eye to this and other similar wrong things
2.) look the other way to deliberately ignore something as bad as this that is happening
3.) rather this is covered up and strong on preventing people from telling others what they know about these odd, ludicrous and fake healing acts
4.) ignore behaviours or activities that are wrong, and pretend that what others have noticed is not happening
5.) would do nothing or wouldn't say anything, to stop it or at least warn others about it
6.) ignore evidences or avoid unpleasant facts about it when presented to them
7.) pretend nothing unusual is happening and also pretend all is hunky-dory
8.) fabulate to divert attention away from the exposé, in doing this, trying to get people forget about the exposé and hopefully have it fizzled out.

mbaemeka:
Trustman and Vooks

I wish you both will understand Paul. In Acts 10 & 11 the bible says Peter preached and
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Sorry for my epistle, but can you see why Paul had to confront Peter? Even at that, did you notice he called him no names neither did he mock him in front of the other leaders. He simply corrected him so that they too could learn the lesson. It has nothing to do with what some of you do in the name of correcting an error especially as none of you are leaders. But if you feel you are right despite what scriptures say, ride on.

I rest my case on this issue.

I commend your write-up here. 
The only thing I would like to comment on is name calling & leadership issues. 
I will refrain from giving any scorecard on personal position and achievements seeing what guys on your side of the divide did to Drumaboy when he disclosed a lot of personal details. 
I'm sure you remember that. 
At the end of the day it should be about God alone and not us. 

On name calling, I believe that in a forum like this which is faceless, it would take individual standards to determine the level of decorum exhibited by any member since no standards are set for this. Therefore what is an offense for one may not be for another. However, where CLEAR scriptural directive can be seen it should challenge people to adjust.

trustman:


I commend your write-up here. 
The only thing I would like to comment on is name calling & leadership issues. 
I will refrain from giving any scorecard on personal position and achievements seeing what guys on your side of the divide did to Drumaboy when he disclosed a lot of personal details. 
I'm sure you remember that. 
At the end of the day it should be about God alone and not us. 

On name calling, I believe that in a forum like this which is faceless, it would take individual standards to determine the level of decorum exhibited by any member since no standards are set for this. Therefore what is an offense for one may not be for another. However, where CLEAR scriptural directive can be seen it should challenge people to adjust. 

I think the reason for this concern for name calling bothers more on the offence that follows tinkering with people's idol than any concern for the things of God. Whether our modern bible teachers think that Paul rebuked Peter before leaders alone or before a large congregation, the fact is that there was a rebuke; which Paul, under the auspices of the Holy Ghost, thought it wise to publish in one of the earliest NT epistles, to one of the largest regions in the Roman world to reach billions of Christians through 2000 years of Christianity. So much for what is termed or what we are being made to be believe was a private rebuke.

What many couldn't fathom before now was that anyone could ever challenge WoF leading figures. O yes, there had been individual scrutinise but not on a thorough scale as we have it on the WoF thread by DrummaBoy, trustman and BabaGnoni. They even had the effrontery to name names! It's simple: a messenger cannot be separated from his message.

WoF people will rather have us correct without naming names. But Paul did in Galatians 2. Their example is Hagin and no wonder the book has made such "impact" that no one wants it on thier bookshop shelf. Truth breeds offence. He who will be a harbinger of truthmmust be ready to offend people. Hagin might have reduced the offence in his book by not naming names but some of cannot compromise that much.

A final word here: we are told we have no authority to speak because we are not leaders. It will take an omniscient fellow to speak with such certainty.But where did scripture say that truth shall only be spoken by leaders alone? Ok, maybe the leaders have lost ability to hear and see; for it pleases God to reveal these things to babes.May we be small enough in our own eyes and humble enough to be used by the Master.

^^^

[size=16pt]FOR YOUR INFORMATION

A THOROUGH STUDY OF THE WORD OF FAITH DOCTRINE AND MOVEMENT
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DrummaBoy:

The links below provide the reader the first post on each item being discussed. Readers should note that following each link are other posts on the same topic by the trio of trustman, BabaGnoni and DrummaBoy.


F1, FAITH IN FAITH: https://www.nairaland.com/1790500/word-faith-movements-doctrine-proponents#24336662

F2, GUARANTEED HEALTH: https://www.nairaland.com/1790500/word-faith-movements-doctrine-proponents#24363909

F3, THE PROSPERITY GOSPEL: https://www.nairaland.com/1790500/word-faith-movements-doctrine-proponents/2#24470530

F4, DEIFICATION OF MAN: https://www.nairaland.com/1790500/word-faith-movements-doctrine-proponents/4#24525863

F5, THE DISTORTION OF THE CROSS: https://www.nairaland.com/1790500/word-faith-movements-doctrine-proponents/5#24622666

F6, JESUS DIED SPIRITUALLY: https://www.nairaland.com/1790500/word-faith-movements-doctrine-proponents/5#24701718

F7, HOLY GHOST LAUGHTER: https://www.nairaland.com/1790500/word-faith-movements-doctrine-proponents/6#24810984

F8, TITHING: https://www.nairaland.com/1790500/word-faith-movements-doctrine-proponents/7#24975239

F9, NAME IT, CLAIM IT DOCTRINE: https://www.nairaland.com/1790500/word-faith-movements-doctrine-proponents/8#25164252

F10: SEED FAITH: https://www.nairaland.com/1790500/word-faith-movements-doctrine-proponents/12#25322281

F11: STAGED LEG LENGHTENING: https://www.nairaland.com/1790500/word-faith-movements-doctrine-proponents/12#25433864

F12: FAKE HEALING SCHOOL: https://www.nairaland.com/1790500/word-faith-movements-doctrine-proponents/13#25637320

F13: MERCHANDIZING THE GOSPEL: https://www.nairaland.com/1790500/word-faith-movements-doctrine-proponents/21#25894946

F14: PERSONALIZING THE MINISTRY https://www.nairaland.com/1790500/word-faith-movements-doctrine-proponents/23#26113280

F15: FEE PAYING CRUSADES AND SEMINARS: https://www.nairaland.com/1790500/word-faith-movements-doctrine-proponents/23#26676201

F16: HYPED UP MOTIVATIONAL HUSTLING PREACHING: https://www.nairaland.com/1790500/word-faith-movements-doctrine-proponents/25#27125546

Discussions still ongoing. Destination point being F20.

BabaGnoni,
This is so spot on.
The tactic by the way is not a reserve of WOFers but is rampant among cults. Jehovah's Witnesses have a thorough manual on the same. And it gets bad. Even crimes are supposed to be addressed by elders. One only needs to look at the Catholic Church and their perpetual sex scandals usually involving minors.

Understand that whereas now the 'private rebuke by equals' is confined to doctrine and may be conduct, it is equally extended to major crimes. I have observed TB Joshua hooligans cursing those seeking to have TB held accountable for criminal negligence. When rumors of Oyaks started, there was vehement denial of the same. Trust me it had nothing to do with faith-speak, hope for the best, but face saving. Am not privy to the man's private life but I can hazard that this teaching had something to do with it; nobody saw nor heard evil till it was too big to be hid. Remember even spouses are usually too immature to rebuke the MoG.

This is pathetic self-preservation mechanism that has caused the name of Jesus to be blasphemed.

BabaGnoni:



It is a small thing ooo, because when we were tackling these things, we were told off because some disapproved of publicly "naming and shaming" sacred cows

OK, we relented, and with some degree of censorship became less severe or intense (i.e. by not being 100% in name mentioning)
but then the disapproval shifted and turned to, it is about dead people, it is about acts involving unknown names, the grotesque or bizarre laughs is unheard of locally, the odd and ludicrous fake healing acts don't happen locally etcetera

Business as usual, WoFs on nairaland (i.e. its officers plus its rank and file) would keep quiet, they would:
1.) turn a blind eye to this and other similar wrong things
2.) look the other way to deliberately ignore something as bad as this that is happening
3.) rather this is covered up and strong on preventing people from telling others what they know about these odd, ludicrous and fake healing acts
4.) ignore behaviours or activities that are wrong, and pretend that what others have noticed is not happening
5.) would do nothing or wouldn't say anything, to stop it or at least warn others about it
6.) ignore evidences or avoid unpleasant facts about it when presented to them
7.) pretend nothing unusual is happening and also pretend all is hunky-dory
8.) fabulate to divert attention away from the exposé, in doing this, trying to get people forget about the exposé and hopefully have it fizzled out.

vooks:
BabaGnoni,
This is so spot on.
The tactic by the way is not a reserve of WOFers but is rampant among cults.
Jehovah's Witnesses have a thorough manual on the same. And it gets bad. Even crimes are supposed to be addressed by elders. One only needs to look at the Catholic Church and their perpetual sex scandals usually involving minors.

Understand that whereas now the 'private rebuke by equals' is confined to doctrine and may be conduct, it is equally extended to major crimes. I have observed TB Joshua hooligans cursing those seeking to have TB held accountable for criminal negligence. When rumors of Oyaks started, there was vehement denial of the same. Trust me it had nothing to do with faith-speak, hope for the best, but face saving. Am not privy to the man's private life but I can hazard that this teaching had something to do with it; nobody saw nor heard evil till it was too big to be hid.
Remember even spouses are usually too immature to rebuke the MoG.

This is pathetic self-preservation mechanism that has caused the name of Jesus to be blasphemed.

vooks, that exactly is the focus of the point. It is trying to get the message out there and gain some public attention with it.

True about the Jehovah's Witnesses but majority locally have been subliminally indoctrinated by WoF, some too were directly indoctrinated hence no surprises they are hardcore WoFists, another lot have been influenced by WoF only via literature such as books, magazine etc (i.e. their only access to WoF teachings are the books, this set rarely have watched the WoF preachers live on TV or DVD so have not witnessed the excesses, absurdities and wicked acts these WoF preachers perform. They also are not privvy to scandalous lifestyles of the WoFists)

Some even don't know they're practising WoF influenced doctrines, and they aren't remotely or directly affiliated with the WoF clique or its organisation.

Idahosa, TB, Oyaks, Oyedep etcetera and the one or two nairaland's inhouse self confessed WoFers have all directly or indirectly been influenced with and/by one, two or three WoF doctrines or the other, if not all.

Yeah, that is right, the famous words, that there is a diffference between a preacher and a MoG.
So in effect spouses are usually too immature to rebuke the MoG. I get ya.

Gradually turning this thread into a anti-WoF thread. Interesting!

I'd let you folks have a swell time, then, I'd Continue with the book. You lot were same number in you WoF thread, discusing within yourselves...Just about...like 5 of you all..maybe image I think too. No other new person, yet, it is a success according to WinsomeX. This thread has made folks download the book, and by reading, they'll improve. My inbox testifying already.

Anyways, a little assignment, take the number of daily visits to that WoF teaching thread by 6am, review it by 9pm. That thread on a good day (days you lot don't go in and out with ridiculous tales), your threads don't get 30 Visits, yet it was successful.

Anyways, I'd continue with the book when I see some sanity restored.

WinsomeX:

What many couldn't fathom before now was that anyone could ever challenge WoF leading figures. O yes, there had been individual scrutinise but not on a thorough scale as we have it on the WoF thread by DrummaBoy, trustman and BabaGnoni. They even had the effrontery to name names! It's simple: a messenger cannot be separated from his message.
WoF people will rather have us correct without naming names. But Paul did in Galatians 2. Their example is Hagin and no wonder the book has made such "impact" that no one wants it on thier bookshop shelf. .

First off, you have no idea how well or not the book, Midas Touch, has done in sales. Making such a conclusion based on an anecdote or two from a Nigerian bookstore is irresponsible. The book was not written primarily for a Nigerian audience. And even if it was, you need to base your assertion on more solid evidence like number of sales from the booksellers association, amazon rankings, etc.

Let's assume the book did not sell very well. I thought the explanation all along was that the contents of the book were not palatable to some owners of the church bookstores? Which is it, not naming names or not writing what they like? You guys need to make up your mind. Oh, by the way, your logic is less than pedestrian. Let me get it straight: the church bookshelves would have been filled with the book if the book had named the culprits; that way the culprits and their acolytes will ensure that their shelves are filled with the book that casts them in negative light with their names boldly displayed! Even you are capable of better reasoning!

Better still, if the books did not sell because names were not named, should it not concern any true christian that people would not buy a book whose message is relevant but would only do so if names are included? So, the draw is not doctrine but gossip? Interesting.

Regarding your WOF thread, you humor yourself a lot. Your thread is as useless as they come. The things you are complaining about have been out there even in bigger platforms. That you're ignorant of that does not mean such critical outlets do not exist. Even in Nigeria, I know of christian attacks against WOF for at least 20 years - saying similar things to what you say here. At the end of the day, they accomplish little. Perhaps, because the attackers are not going about it God's way or because they offer their hearers little, beside bitterness.

And talking of offering little, have you noticed that all of you that are devoted to attacking WOF would rather do anything but debate the substance of Midas Touch? It's rather (a) Hagin's motive in writing it; (b) preacher's motive in not adhering to the message; (c) whether rebuke should be publicly or privately done. You'd think that those that think WOF is rubbish have been handed an easy platform to demonstrate the rubbishness. But you can't. In fact, the opposite of your wishes is happening: people that don't care that much about Hagin are seeing that he's not the monster you've been painting him to be and have even seen areas of agreement. That's why you rushed for a video that you think puts him in a bad light because you can't bear to see him enjoy the opposite of your wish - a tarnished image.

Of course, you're failing woefully. As is your WOF thread. I hate to break it to you, but based on the immensity of investment into that thread, it is a monumental failure. With all the hype and your adverts from thread to thread, you've only mustered a few thousand views over several months. And even that is padded. Because there are 3 principals of the thread, your visits are about thrice more than would be the case if there was one principal. Also, because you are so slow to post material there, people are forced to visit more often that would be the case. E.g., if you post 10 items in one day, somebody may visit once and read it all. If you take 10 days to post 10 items, some people would have to visit 10 times, thereby increasing the number of views. So, the real number of views (soon) would be about 500 in 5 months!

Which is not so bad, compared to the number of visits to your blog!!

Gombs:
Gradually turning this thread into a anti-WoF thread. Interesting!

I'd let you folks have a swell time, then, I'd Continue with the book. Younlot were same in you WoF thread, discusing. Just like 5 of you all..maybe image I think too. No other new person, yet, it is a success according to WinsomeX. This thread has made folks download the book, and by reading, theyill improve. My inbox testifying already.

Anyways, a little assignment, take the number of visits to that WoF teaching thread by 6am, review it by 9pm. That thread on a good day (days you lot don't go in and out with ridiculous tales), your threads don't get 30 Visits, yet it was successful.

Anyways, I'd continue with the book when I see some sanity restored.

Correct on all points!

Their wish is that this thread would die. Recall that this is not the first, seond or third time that Midas Touch is being mentioned on NL. I even excerpted a page or two during the WOF discussion that was deleted. But each time, they pretend the book is not there or dismiss it, claiming it's too little too late, etc. Unfortunately for them, they could not stop it this time. So, they're working hard to derail the thread. One day, it's a video about laughter, another day it's a video about miracles. Why not discuss the substance of the book - the real purpose of this thread?

Regarding the WOF thread, it's an abysmal failure, as anybody with an ounce of intelligence would have predicted from Day One. Apart from failure in terms of contributions, contributors and views, it's a complete failure regarding it's objective, which is to lead people away from WOF. We'll know it's a success when we hear (truthfully) that people have left WOF churches in droves or that scores of churches have abandoned WOF preaching as a result - direct or indirect - of their thread.

Yeah, that would happen!!!

nlMediator:

First off, you have no idea how well or not the book, Midas Touch, has done in sales. Making such a conclusion based on an anecdote or two from a Nigerian bookstore is irresponsible. The book was not written primarily for a Nigerian audience. And even if it was, you need to base your assertion on more solid evidence like number of sales from the booksellers association, amazon rankings, etc.
Let's assume the book did not sell very well. I thought the explanation all along was that the contents of the book were not palatable to some owners of the church bookstores? Which is it, not naming names or not writing what they like? You guys need to make up your mind. Oh, by the way, your logic is less than pedestrian. Let me get it straight: the church bookshelves would have been filled with the book if the book had named the culprits; that way the culprits and their acolytes will ensure that their shelves are filled with the book that casts them in negative light with their names boldly displayed! Even you are capable of better reasoning!
Better still, if the books did not sell because names were not named, should it not concern any true christian that people would not buy a book whose message is relevant but would only do so if names are included? So, the draw is not doctrine but gossip? Interesting.
Regarding your WOF thread, you humor yourself a lot. Your thread is as useless as they come. The things you are complaining about have been out there even in bigger platforms. That you're ignorant of that does not mean such critical outlets do not exist. Even in Nigeria, I know of christian attacks against WOF for at least 20 years - saying similar things to what you say here. At the end of the day, they accomplish little. Perhaps, because the attackers are not going about it God's way or because they offer their hearers little, beside bitterness.
And talking of offering little, have you noticed that all of you that are devoted to attacking WOF would rather do anything but debate the substance of Midas Touch? It's rather (a) Hagin's motive in writing it; (b) preacher's motive in not adhering to the message; (c) whether rebuke should be publicly or privately done. You'd think that those that think WOF is rubbish have been handed an easy platform to demonstrate the rubbishness. But you can't. In fact, the opposite of your wishes is happening: people that don't care that much about Hagin are seeing that he's not the monster you've been painting him to be and have even seen areas of agreement. That's why you rushed for a video that you think puts him in a bad light because you can't bear to see him enjoy the opposite of your wish - a tarnished image. 1
Of course, you're failing woefully. As is your WOF thread. I hate to break it to you, but based on the immensity of investment into that thread, it is a monumental failure. With all the hype and your adverts from thread to thread, you've only mustered a few thousand views over several months. And even that is padded. 2 Because there are 3 principals of the thread, your visits are about thrice more than would be the case if there was one principal. Also, because you are so slow to post material there, people are forced to visit more often that would be the case. E.g., if you post 10 items in one day, somebody may visit once and read it all. If you take 10 days to post 10 items, some people would have to visit 10 times, thereby increasing the number of views. So, the real number of views (soon) would be about 500 in 5 months!
Which is not so bad, compared to the number of visits to your blog!! 3

The colored is so true, , that Drummaboy aka WinsomeX confidently copies from their sites and paste here. I know one anti WoF guy, who’s been writing and hating since 1996. From then till now, he has had no accomplishment, neither does he manage a comment in years. These guys are still jokers. I've already told them, their weapons of warfare are carnal.

BOld 1
They knew if they celebrate Hagin for the book, it would mean them eating a humble pie, so what next? They thought "let's call a dog a bad name, so that we can hang it."
Little do they know they made folks seach more about Hagin, and boy, I gave them more Hagin books and E. W. Kenyon. It's all working together for good bro!

Bold 2
Imagine same folks sitting and discussing, nothing to offer except copy and paste and some short videos, and in months, only a few thousand view, yet to some deluded mind, it was a success.

Bold 3
That blog! Hmmm, I wish he took his WoF campaign there, it probably would not have been this dead. At least his rag tag team would be there too. Let them have a field day, I'd continue the book.

nlMediator:


Correct on all points!

Their wish is that this thread would die. Recall that this is not the first, seond or third time that Midas Touch is being mentioned on NL. I even excerpted a page or two during the WOF discussion that was deleted. But each time, they pretend the book is not there or dismiss it, claiming it's too little too late, etc. Unfortunately for them, they could not stop it this time. So, they're working hard to derail the thread. One day, it's a video about laughter, another day it's a video about miracles. Why not discuss the substance of the book - the real purpose of this thread?

Regarding the WOF thread, it's an abysmal failure, as anybody with an ounce of intelligence would have predicted from Day One. Apart from failure in terms of contributions, contributors and views, it's a complete failure regarding it's objective, which is to lead people away from WOF. We'll know it's a success when we hear (truthfully) that people have left WOF churches in droves or that scores of churches have abandoned WOF preaching as a result - direct or indirect - of their thread.

Yeah, that would happen!!!

whoever wants this thread to die obviously has a hard time facing the truth. From the OP to the guests viewing the thread, i believe folks are reading and making necessary adjustments. There is a crisis in Christianity and the church (particularly it's more visible leaders) have pretended about it for too long. It's not about the crowd or gaining popularity. Christ after 3 years had 500 people with him after his resurrection and only 120 in the upper room waiting for the holy ghost. It's not about the crowd for Christ said ''strait is the gate and narrow is the way which leadeth unto life and few there be that find it''. No matter our best efforts, only a few will find the truth. Christ said so and i believe him. However, God will get his job done and he'll use donkeys if he has to after all he's done it before. We should avoid garnishing the gospel to make it more appealing to the world. That will be trying to help God who doesn't need our help. Hagin tried to expose these garnishing in the book.

Rev Sun Myung Moon of the unification church has kept thousands (his apologists claim millions) believing a lie for over half a century. even with his death in 2012, his deluded followers still persist in the delusions.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Myung_Moon and
http://www.religionfacts.com/unification_church/index.htm

Crowds have always believed a lie and crowds will continue to believe a lie if it is convincing enough. Truth on the other hand has never been attractive and will never be to a depraved world. What should be important to us is ensuring we avoid the extremes and discover the balance which Christ advocated when he told the covetous man that ''A man's life consisteth not in the abundance of the things he possesses''. This is the moral behind the story of King Midas which Hagin narrated in the book.

So Gombs, continue with your review and any body that will think of stopping it, Holy Ghost.....fiiirrreeeee!!!

One thing that first came to mind when this thread started is exactly what is happening here. That is, one person....Gombs, like the offshoot of the offspring of Hagin come up to discuss a book written by the one who their pastors model after and guess what, the members of these offspring of Hagin will do all things possible to stand my their grandpa in faith.

I put it in a better way, imagine Oyedepo, Oyakhilome, David Ibitoye or what is called and the likes modeled after Hagin and sells\promotes Hagin's materials in their bookstores and also mentioned acts of Hagin in their messages....what do you expect the members of Oyedepo church to do when Hagin is being called out or scrutinized? Your guess is as good as mine?

But our differences don't divide us but we will continue to examine what any man of God teaches and wherever he errs, we call him out.

Some are deliberating forgetting the hiatus "Oga at the Top's" censure on the old WoF thread and his fatwa that everyone should abandon the old WoF thread for it to have a premature death.

In loyalty to the MIA "Oga patapata" and adhering to his original fatwa, they then ostracized themselves from the revamped WoF thread with the wishful thinking the thread will have an untimely death.

For the record, the revamped WoF thread from the onset was considered a marathon project, and was it was never in a hurry to complete, besides, it was becoming hard for some readership to keep up pace with it, hence the slow down, the intermittent updates, short bursts etc for readership to catch up

As for this thread, everyone took a back seat on this thread, allowing OP a free rein, and content with looking and laughing, until when the first video (i.e. the Holy Ghost laughter and slain in the Spirit) was pasted by nora544 because she was perplexed and unable to understand if this was or wasn't "Baba" - Is it "Baba", the doyen of WoF?
then the second one (i.e. the $16,000) was pasted by Lobeez (i.e. an ex-WoFer, who discovered WoF to be less good than how was led to believe) after nora544 as a FYI.

This thread therefore is not being gradually turned into an anti-WoF thread at all, on the contrary, it is your readerships (e.g. nora544 and Lobeez) volunteering materials, which led to people providing more evidence to support their unsolicited or freely offered materials, to prove that, the materials put forward are all, in fact true and already had been highlighted or previously brought to public attention.

When skeletons in WoF's cupboard are brought out, it is dishonest to be quiet about them or ignore them.
- explain them, refute it, deny it or admit it

If there is any wish at all, it is not for this thread to die but for self, self itself, to die.

Just so, it is known, there is joy before the angels of God over one person, who returns to God, repents from WoF doctrine, from the wicked, deceitful and fraudulent acts perpetrated by WoF influenced officers, rank and file

BabaGnoni:
Some are deliberating forgetting the hiatus "Oga at the Top's" censure on the old WoF thread and his fatwa that everyone should abandon the old WoF thread for it to have a premature death.

In loyalty to the MIA "Oga patapata" and adhering to his original fatwa, they then ostracized themselves from the revamped WoF thread with the wishful thinking the thread will have an untimely death.

For the record, the revamped WoF thread from the onset was considered a marathon project, and was it was never in a hurry to complete, besides, it was becoming hard for some readership to keep up pace with it, hence the slow down, the intermittent updates, short bursts etc for readership to catch up

As for this thread, everyone took a back seat on this thread, allowing OP a free rein, and content with looking and laughing, until when the first video (i.e. the Holy Ghost laughter and slain in the Spirit) was pasted by nora544 because she was perplexed and unable to understand if this was or wasn't "Baba" - Is it "Baba", the doyen of WoF?
then the second one (i.e. the $16,000) was pasted by Lobeez (i.e. an ex-WoFer, who discovered WoF to be less good than how was led to believe) after nora544 as a FYI.

This thread therefore is not being gradually turned into an anti-WoF thread at all, on the contrary, it is your readerships (e.g. nora544 and Lobeez) volunteering materials, which led to people providing more evidence to support their unsolicited or freely offered materials, to prove that, the materials put forward are all, in fact true and already had been highlighted or previously brought to public attention.

When skeletons in WoF's cupboard are brought out, it is dishonest to be quiet about them or ignore them.
- refute it, deny it or admit it

If there is any wish at all, it is not for this thread to die but for self, self itself, to die.

Just so, it is known, there is joy before the angels of God over one person, who returns to God, repents from WoF doctrine, from the wicked, deceitful and fraudulent acts perpetrated by WoF influenced officers, rank and file

This guy and his bile sha...

Bidam:
This guy and his bile sha...

^^^
hi, to you too, of course you have a thick-skin.

The WOF thread has been slow from the very beginning. The record is there for everyone to see. That it slowed down further should not be used as an excuse to make it appear that it was always fast. And of course, the principals can chose a slow pace as a way to accomplish their objective. But they should also recognize that that artificially inflates the number of views. So, when they want to brag about the popularity of their thread, they should not gloss over the point.

It is interesting that the goal post of success is now being re-drawn. It's no longer about rescuing multitudes from WOF, especially young people, as originally claimed; now it's no longer about the numbers. One person being 'saved' is OK. People should make up their mind: are they focusing on the good service they claim they're providing or are they touting its success? Any time they resort to the latter, they open themselves up to scrutiny using normal standards of measuring success of a venture.

That some WOF adherents decided to stay out of the thread is neither here nor there. That we chose not to subject ourselves to unnecessary mockery is a wise and commendable decision. When the issue was about WOF in the deleted thread, we willingly participated even when some disagreed with our views. And we did so with a pure conscience, while the attackers had a hidden agenda. The agenda is now brought in the open in the new thread, which is a good reason why it is a major failure.

Sure, the proverbial one convert may signify success. But could it also be evidence nobody is buying what you're selling? We tend to forget that sometimes, when we should be asking why?

Bottom line is this thread is not being gradually turned into an anti-WoF thread at all, on the contrary, it is the readerships (e.g. nora544 and Lobeez) volunteering materials, which led to people providing more evidences to support their unsolicited or freely offered materials, to prove that, the materials put forward are all, in fact true and already had been highlighted or previously brought to public attention.

When skeletons in WoF's cupboard are brought out, it is dishonest to be quiet about them or ignore them.
- WoFists shouldn't be shy explaining the videos, alternatively refute them, deny them or admit it was a momentary lapse of reason
- Come clean about them, if not, then, with anticipation, we move on for the subsequent chapters promised

There are useless threads for certain videos. Those videos should not be allowed to serve as a distraction from the purpose of this thread. People can always create new threads to discuss other WOF issues instead of stubbornly insisting on destroying this thread.

BabaGnoni:



It is a small thing ooo, because when we were tackling these things, we were told off because some disapproved of publicly "naming and shaming" sacred cows

OK, we relented, and with some degree of censorship became less severe or intense (i.e. by not being 100% in name mentioning)
but then the disapproval shifted and turned to, it is about dead people, it is about acts involving unknown names, the grotesque or bizarre laughs is unheard of locally, the odd and ludicrous fake healing acts don't happen locally etcetera

Business as usual, WoFs on nairaland (i.e. its officers plus its rank and file) would keep quiet, they would:
1.) turn a blind eye to this and other similar wrong things
2.) look the other way to deliberately ignore something as bad as this that is happening
3.) rather this is covered up and strong on preventing people from telling others what they know about these odd, ludicrous and fake healing acts
4.) ignore behaviours or activities that are wrong, and pretend that what others have noticed is not happening
5.) would do nothing or wouldn't say anything, to stop it or at least warn others about it
6.) ignore evidences or avoid unpleasant facts about it when presented to them
7.) pretend nothing unusual is happening and also pretend all is hunky-dory
8.) fabulate to divert attention away from the exposé, in doing this, trying to get people forget about the exposé and hopefully have it fizzled out.

You don't have to be verbose, saying one thing as eight. Two, learn to be more accurate in your reports. i believe you're referring to https://www.nairaland.com/1790500/word-faith-movements-doctrine-proponents/5 plus and minus two pages. What we were against is condemnation and gloating which Jesus Himself is against. We're not against speaking or corrections. i also had to give you guys a sense of direction and purpose when you all were missing it, beating about the bush. Like around https://www.nairaland.com/1790500/word-faith-movements-doctrine-proponents/6#24868462 your fellows seemed to have a phobia for known names around.

BabaGnoni:

^^^
hi, to you too, of course you have a thick-skin.

Lol, what i always see in your posts are offense and bitterness as a result of carnal reasoning and a lack of spiritual perception. If that is your version of Christianity i want no part of it.

Image123:

You don't have to be verbose, saying one thing as eight.
Two, learn to be more accurate in your reports.
i believe you're referring to https://www.nairaland.com/1790500/word-faith-movements-doctrine-proponents/5 plus and minus two passages.
What we were against is condemnation and gloating which Jesus Himself is against.
We're not against speaking or corrections. i also had to give you guys a sense of direction and purpose when you all were missing it, beating about the bush.

It becomes necessary for the point to sink.
You believe wrong, it is pre, it is that and is post that
Who is seen gloating, other than the one gloating about owning $16,000 dog, buying Mercedes, Lexus and convertible for his kids
Misleading people with staged and fake leg lengthening acts misrepresented as healing. Is that worth mollycoddling or condemning?
Naming and shaming is not condemnation but serves as a deterrent or used to discourage others thinking of straying into those kinds of activities
You can't have your cake and eat.

Bidam:
Lol, what i always see in your posts are offense and bitterness as a result of carnal reasoning and a lack of spiritual perception.
If that is your version of Christianity i want no part of it.

I know what you saw, which is why I said then and am again still saying, hi, back to you, lol
I want no part of the pharisaical in you either
Matthew 21:44-45

BabaGnoni:

I know what you saw, which is why I said and am again still saying hi back to you.
I want no part of the pharisaical in you either

Lol, is this all the bile you could muster? I thought you could do better than that. I wonder who displays more "works of the flesh" here.

BabaGnoni:


It becomes necessary for the point to sink.
You believe wrong, it is pre, it is that and is post that
Who is seen gloating, other than the one gloating about owning $16,000 dog, buying Mercedes, Lexus and convertible for his kids
Misleading people with staged and fake leg lengthening acts misrepresented as healing. Is that worth mollycoddling or condemning?
Naming and shaming is not condemnation but serves as a deterrent or used to discourage others thinking of straying into those kinds of activities
You can't have your cake and eat.

There you go again. So you're into shaming not gloating? Shhh, never mind. We're distracting the thread i guess.

Bidam:
Lol, is this all the bile you could muster?
I thought you could do better than that. I wonder who displays more "works of the flesh" here.

Yes ooo Bidam, the Lord is my strength.
"Not by might nor by power, but by my Spirit," says the LORD Almighty.

BabaGnoni:


When skeletons in WoF's cupboard are brought out, it is dishonest to be quiet about them or ignore them.
- WoFists shouldn't be shy explaining the videos, alternatively refute them, deny them or admit it was a momentary lapse of reason
- Come clean about them, if not, then, with anticipation, we move on for the subsequent chapters promised

There is a reason for the above emphasis. He that hath ear to hear let him hear.

Image123:
There you go again. So you're into shaming not gloating? Shhh, never mind. We're distracting the thread i guess.

Can see you learned from the best. Also good to see you noticed distracting the thread

BabaGnoni:


Yes ooo Bidam, the Lord is my strength.
"Not by might nor by power, but by my Spirit," says the LORD Almighty.

The devil also quotes the bible.Ask Jesus when he was tempted in the wilderness. I know a counterfeit masquerading as "angel of light" when i see them. Good morn. Mr. 'Serpent sleeping with eve heretic'.