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| What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "I And The Father Are One" In John 10:30? by OLAADEGBU(m): 12:32am On Nov 14, 2014 |
What did Jesus mean when He said, "I and the Father are one" in John 10:30? http://www.gotquestions.org/I-and-the-Father-are-one.html
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| Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "I And The Father Are One" In John 10:30? by Nobody: 12:44am On Nov 14, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU:Unity of purpose, just like marriage makes a man and his wife one, but not of equal rank, because Jesus said in John 14vs28 , that his father is greater than him. The same the bible said that the head of man is christ, the woman, the man, the head of christ, God. 1Corinthian 11vs3. log into jw.org, click bible questions answered, and rediscover the truth 1 Like |
| Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "I And The Father Are One" In John 10:30? by PastorAIO: 12:54am On Nov 14, 2014 |
that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me. john 17:21 1 Like |
| Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "I And The Father Are One" In John 10:30? by OLAADEGBU(m): 12:57am On Nov 14, 2014 |
indigene: Why then did the Jews pick up stones to lynch Him? 1 Like |
| Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "I And The Father Are One" In John 10:30? by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:00am On Nov 14, 2014 |
PastorAIO: So what's blasphemous about that? The Jews certainly thought that what Jesus said was blasphemous. 1 Like |
| Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "I And The Father Are One" In John 10:30? by rottennaija(m): 1:12am On Nov 14, 2014 |
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| Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "I And The Father Are One" In John 10:30? by Nobody: 1:13am On Nov 14, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU:The misunderstood this unity of purpose, of accomplishment, When he asked them, why do you want to stone me, the jews replied, because you re making yourself equal to God, you been a man, he said oh no what I mean is I am God's son, read from verses 31-37 of John chapter 10 www.jw.org |
| Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "I And The Father Are One" In John 10:30? by tolugar: 4:16am On Nov 14, 2014 |
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thy ownself, with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. WEBSTER |
| Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "I And The Father Are One" In John 10:30? by shaggy007(m): 7:23am On Nov 14, 2014 |
Big deal. Jesus has the same DNA as his father, duh.  3 Likes |
| Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "I And The Father Are One" In John 10:30? by OLAADEGBU(m): 10:31am On Nov 14, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU: Answer: In John 10 Jesus presents Himself as the Good Shepherd and, in a debate with the Jewish leaders, makes the claim, “I and the Father are one” (John 10:30). It was a bold statement—one His audience found quite audacious—and it reveals much about who Jesus is. Five key observations can be made concerning this passage. First, Jesus claimed to be one with God in the sense of being equal to Him. Jesus did not claim to be merely a messenger or prophet of God, but of equal power with God. Second, His audience understood that Jesus was claiming equality with God the Father. In verse 31, “The Jews picked up stones again to stone him.” Why? Blasphemy was a crime punishable by death according to the Jewish Law. When Jesus asked why they were planning to kill Him, they answered, “For blasphemy, because you, being a man, make yourself God” (John 10:33). If Jesus had been lying or deceived, His statement would have been blasphemous. In fact, the only way His words were not blasphemy is if Jesus was telling the truth about His equality with God. Third, Jesus referred to Himself as God’s Son and to God as His Father (John 10:36–37). He used Psalm 82:6 to show that the Messiah has the right to claim the title “Son of God.” Fourth, Jesus claimed that that Father sent Him: “the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world” (John 10:36). In this statement, Jesus claimed preexistence in the Father’s presence. No biblical prophet had ever made such a claim before; yet Jesus claimed to exist before Abraham (John 8:58). Fifth, Jesus only stated that the Jews did not believe Him; He never said they misunderstood His claim to be God. John 10:38 notes, “Even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.” Jesus was not correcting a misunderstanding. They understood what He said perfectly. He was correcting their willful rejection of Him. Colossians 1:16–17 affirms Jesus’ same teaching: “In him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.” John 1:1 explicitly notes that Jesus was both with God in the beginning and was God. In summary, Jesus claimed to be one with the Father as part of a larger argument to note that He had existed from eternity past, lived in perfect oneness with the Father, held the same power as God, and was sent by God the Father’s authority. Unfortunately, He was rejected as divine by the Jewish leaders. Jesus’ claim to have equal power as the Father was not blasphemy. It was the plain truth. Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/I-and-the-Father-are-one.html#ixzz3J29QPLru 1 Like |
| Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "I And The Father Are One" In John 10:30? by PastorAIO: 12:05pm On Nov 14, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU: You're gonna have to ask the jews for the answers to that one. It seems in the gospels that everything Jesus said and did rubbed them up the wrong way. Have you every thought about that? Why would that be? |
| Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "I And The Father Are One" In John 10:30? by PastorAIO: 12:18pm On Nov 14, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU: From my experience of human nature one doesn't need to offend someone before someone gets offended. |
| Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "I And The Father Are One" In John 10:30? by MrPresident1: 12:23pm On Nov 14, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU: God is eternally invisible, HE can never be seen. Solomon is a form of Christ. Seen these precepts Deuteronomy 4:15 Take ye therefore good heed unto yourselves; for ye saw no manner of similitude on the day that the Lord spake unto you in Horeb out of the midst of the fire: There was no similitude when God spoke with Israel, they heard a voice, but did not see any person. 1 Chronicles 29:23 Then Solomon sat on the throne of the Lord as king instead of David his father, and prospered; and all Israel obeyed him. Solomon sat on the throne of God, Solomon became God  Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. Solomon became God, just as all the fulness of the Godhead dwells bodily in Christ. I and my father are one. Yet the father is greater than I. |
| Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "I And The Father Are One" In John 10:30? by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:44pm On Nov 14, 2014 |
PastorAIO: Their reasons could not be far fetched when you read the text: (The words of Jesus in red letters). "I and my Father are one. Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. Jesus answered them, Many good works have I showed you from my Father; for which of those works do you stone me? The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone you not; but for blasphemy; and because that you, being a man, make yourself God" (John 10:30-33). The answers of the Jews is highlighted in the bold in the passage above. It is either Jesus was being blasphemous or telling the truth by claiming equality with God. 1 Like |
| Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "I And The Father Are One" In John 10:30? by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:46pm On Nov 14, 2014 |
PastorAIO: But the Jews were articulate with their reasons. The truth is that they didn't understand the meaning of what is called the "hypostatic union" hence they called it blasphemy which is punishable by death according to the Mosaic Law. |
| Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "I And The Father Are One" In John 10:30? by Nobody: 2:00pm On Nov 14, 2014 |
So much for a story rewritten tons of times. No concrete evidence Jesus actually existed. The Catholic church made up the divinity of Jesus to suite the then Emperor of Rome. Some books have been discovered which claimed Yeshua A.K.A Jesus was married with kids. Anyone could write about anyone....The bible stories are old and outdated,THEY HAVE NO PLACE IN OUR SOCIETY! It has been over 2000 years of silence from the Bible God which makes it certainly obvious they were made up. OP should try to update us with words from God not older that 10 years from our current time,or 15 years at most! |
| Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "I And The Father Are One" In John 10:30? by PastorAIO: 2:36pm On Nov 14, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU: Since you've broadened the context to included the response of the Jews, why not properly go all the way and consider what Jesus then said in response to that. 34Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I said, you are gods’? 35If he called them gods to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be broken— 36do you say of him whom the Father consecrated and sent into the world, The sense in which Jesus apparently used God could equally be applicable to the ancient judges of Israel. It would therefore follow from these verses ...
That said divinity can be applied to all of Jesus' followers. He makes no distinction between his being in the father and the father in him, and his followers being in Him and the father together. 1 Like |
| Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "I And The Father Are One" In John 10:30? by OLAADEGBU(m): 3:30pm On Nov 14, 2014 |
PastorAIO: Our Lord Jesus was only basing the entire defense against the charge of blasphemy on the word, "gods," in a relatively obscure Psalm 82:6. And He says that the word actually written down cannot be broken. If the Jews could use the same word in judging people why is it not proper for the One who the Father has specifically "sent into the world" identify Himself as such? |
| Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "I And The Father Are One" In John 10:30? by sukkot: 6:48pm On Nov 14, 2014 |
means they are of one accord. same goal, same principles |
| Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "I And The Father Are One" In John 10:30? by PastorAIO: 2:29am On Nov 15, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU: Come again. this is a very dodgy parking. Are you saying that they jews didn't know Psalm 82? Who was it obscure for? The Jews? Or for you? So the Jews commonly use the word 'god' for human beings yet were shocked when Jesus called himself god. Were those other human beings for whom the word is used God the same way Jesus was God? |
| Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "I And The Father Are One" In John 10:30? by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:30am On Nov 16, 2014 |
PastorAIO: "I and my Father are one. Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. Jesus answered them, Many good works have I showed you from my Father; for which of those works do you stone me? The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone you not; but for blasphemy; and because that you, being a man, make yourself God" (John 10:30-33). It is clearly stated that the Jews were accusing our Lord Jesus Christ for blasphemy as is bolded in the passage above. 1 Like |
| Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "I And The Father Are One" In John 10:30? by Nobody: 7:30am On Nov 16, 2014 |
@Op,.looks like you have been stabbing bible study classes in church. It literally means they are one. Just like you and your father are one in every dissection of the word 'one' |
| Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "I And The Father Are One" In John 10:30? by alotofgrace(m): 7:35am On Nov 16, 2014 |
They are one in power, in will, and in action |
| Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "I And The Father Are One" In John 10:30? by oneda(m): 8:36am On Nov 17, 2014 |
2 Peter 3:16 "and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, 16as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction" Final warning, Do not ague with brainwashed Jehovah witnesses. There founder Charles T. Russell was a 33rd degree free mason (a Luciferan) Google it if you doubt me. Google also false Watchtower and Tract bible society prophecies to confirm that he is a false Prophet. He currently roasts in Hell fire which he refused to believe in while alive and to which he is leading these millions since. Pls I do not hate anybody but I cannot place blessing on whom God had cursed |
| Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "I And The Father Are One" In John 10:30? by PastorAIO: 11:53am On Nov 17, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU: you didn't address my questions. 1.. Who was that psalm obscure for, Jews, or for you? 2. Since the Jews commonly used the term God for humans in their scripture, why were they shocked when Jesus used the term? 3. Were those other 'gods' that Psalm 82 refers to the same as Jesus? |
| Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "I And The Father Are One" In John 10:30? by An2elect2(f): 10:24pm On Nov 17, 2014 |
Jesus is the fullness of God in flesh and not a part of God plsss. 'I and my Father are one' i believe Jesus is not saying they agree or are in union, but that He is both the son and that Father(who promised them a messiah) they know from old. God is numerically one. |
| Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "I And The Father Are One" In John 10:30? by CAPTIVATOR: 7:52am On Nov 18, 2014 |
PastorAIO:u are right at bolded , that John 17:21 will flatly cancel pagan tri-ni-ty and make it billionity !! Demonic Doctrine |
| Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "I And The Father Are One" In John 10:30? by OLAADEGBU(m): 10:31pm On Nov 19, 2014 |
PastorAIO: The Jews were guilty of using selective memory.  |
| Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "I And The Father Are One" In John 10:30? by OLAADEGBU(m): 10:32pm On Nov 19, 2014 |
An2elect2: You got a valid point there. |
| Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "I And The Father Are One" In John 10:30? by MrPresident1: 10:42pm On Nov 19, 2014 |
An2elect2: God is not numerically one, God is many, in complete oneness and perfect unity. |
| Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "I And The Father Are One" In John 10:30? by OLAADEGBU(m): 10:43pm On Nov 19, 2014 |
MrPresident1: How many? |
| Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "I And The Father Are One" In John 10:30? by MrPresident1: 10:51pm On Nov 19, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU: Mark 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables: Psalm 25:14 The secret of the LORD is with them that fear him; and he will shew them his covenant. |
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