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Re: All Religions Lead To God? Can One Discern The True Religion? by malvisguy212: 6:08am On Nov 17, 2014
Rilwayne001:


Since many xtianity sects doctrine contradicts one another that they even go to the extent of saying there sect is the only sects going to heaven and all other sects are going to hell, it shows that xtianity is a crook religion going by its 41,000 shocked shocked denominations all over the world.

Cus i wonder how you can tell the sect that is true from them undecided undecided








I have lot to say here^^… I will like to engage you on the bolded, please malvisguy212, create a thread about this sin offering and lets talk about.
i try to reply this post,but my network is bad.

Can you differentiate between religeon and sect? The sunni and shia are sects but belong to one religeon, the op was talking about religeon not sect. However, this sect issue has been answer,jesu prophecise about this long time ago, he said,because of him there will be division amoung brother,God know does that are his own,the op even talk about some christian sect.

God did not reject sacrifice,He only say,to obey is better that sacrifice. Show me were God reject sacrifice, called it sin.
Re: All Religions Lead To God? Can One Discern The True Religion? by malvisguy212: 6:23am On Nov 17, 2014
davien:

I am referring to records about "jesus" existence....not his followers...
Correct
What is the relevance of reciting a bible verse to explain the account of "jesus" existence'
Again,what am I to do with what the bible claims regarding "jesus"...can the claim regarding the same claim justify the claim....
can the claim that santa uses chimneys justify santa?
i culd'nt reply your post due to network problem.

There are many historical quote about jesus,but if i provide it, it will be the same excusses.

Author's Background About A.D. 52, Thallus wrote a history about the Middle East from the
time of the Trojan War to the first century A.D.[1] The work has been
lost and the only record we have of his writings is through Julius
Africanus (AD 221). Below Julius Africanus refers to Christ's crucifixion
and the darkness that covered the earth prior to his death. Reference To Jesus Christ "On the whole world there pressed a most fearful darkness; and the rocks were rent by an earthquake, and many places in Judea and other
districts were thrown down. This darkness Thallus, in the 263 third
book of his History, calls, as appears to me without reason, an eclipse
of the sun. For the Hebrews celebrate the passover on the 14th day
according to the moon, and the passion of our Savior fails on the day
before the passover [see Phlegon]; but an eclipse of the sun takes place only when the moon comes under the sun. And it cannot happen at
any other time but in the interval between the first day of the new
moon and the last of the old, that is, at their junction: how then should
an eclipse be supposed to happen when the moon is almost
diametrically opposite the sun?" - Julius Africanus, Chronography, 18.1
Conclusion
This reference reveals several key things:
1) Darkness covered the earth at Christ's death.
2) The key question was: "What caused it?"
3) The time of the darkness agrees with Matthew 27:45. 4) An eclipse cannot account for the darkness - this was a miracle.
Re: All Religions Lead To God? Can One Discern The True Religion? by malvisguy212: 6:38am On Nov 17, 2014
urheme:


The life after death that i believe in, is that your legacy continue to keep your name alive if not a man's journey ends at death.

I have had a personal encounter with the God of the universe and i can assure you that, God is unreligious.
that is your own assumption,there are many testimony of life after death,it is the fear of hell and you want to defined your life after death to suit your belief.

What is the nature of this god of the universe? Is there any punishment for not obeying his command?the truth is that you want to invent god in your imagination to suit your belief system.

The God of Christianity is differs from the gods of the world's
religions in terms of His nature and existence. Most of the religions of
the world describe their god as existing within the universe. In many
cases, these gods even have parents. Both of these attributes are
logically inconsistent with the reality of our universe. Only a God who
is transcendent to both space and time, like the God of the Bible, is logically possible.
Re: All Religions Lead To God? Can One Discern The True Religion? by malvisguy212: 6:48am On Nov 17, 2014
Kay17:


This is laughable.

Christianity can not be true as a result of the above, because there is no such requirement for a true religion.

Buddhism identifies the fundamental problem with human existence as Suffering, it makes a genuine attempt to banish human suffering. A careful thought reveals that even Hell, and all punishments are part and a parcel of Suffering. The fear of death, the fear of the unknown, the fear of one's neighbours, fear of one's Gods are all part of suffering.

Each religion is unique and each builds it own 'universe' with its own premises. In conclusion, it is a futile exercise to search for the true religion.
maby youu dont understand my point here, in religions salvation is attained by human effort,example if you Good deed surpass your bad deed God will have mercy on you,this is differs from the moral law. But in christianity, it is the free gift of God,your must genuely repent to deserv the gift of God in christ jesus.
Re: All Religions Lead To God? Can One Discern The True Religion? by malvisguy212: 8:15am On Nov 17, 2014
@kay17.
Worldviews and moral choices:
Three recently published studies show that worldview beliefs influence
moral behavior. The first study showed that atheists were less likely to consider certain moral choices as being "very important" , especially patience, forgiveness, and generosity. A second study
showed that teens who were not exposed to religious teaching were
significantly more likely to be involved in negative behaviors than those who attend church. A third study showed that belief in the atheistic concept of determinism is correlated with an increased tendency to cheat. Even a short reading of a passage denying free will produced more cheating behavior among randomly-selected subject
groups. These studies show that the promotion and prevalence of
atheism in society can be expected to result in negative consequences
to societies.
Re: All Religions Lead To God? Can One Discern The True Religion? by Rilwayne001: 9:04am On Nov 17, 2014
malvisguy212:
i try to reply this post,but my network is bad.

Okay

Can you differentiate between religeon and sect?

Sect is more like sub-religion

The sunni and shia are sects but belong to one religeon,
True

the op was talking about religeon not sect.
And i asked you to apply the logic you used in interpreting religion to sect as well
Below is what am talking about.

Since many religious claims contradict one another, it would seem that not all religions could be simultaneously true.How can we tell which religion(s) are true?

Now apply thiss^^ to sect of christianity too.

Since many sects of christianity doctrine contradicts one another, it would seem not all sects of christianity could be simulteneously true. How can you tell the true sects? undecided


However, this sect issue has been answer,jesu prophecise about this long time ago, he said,because of him there will be division amoung brother,
Please quote the verse and let us examine it.

God know does that are his own,

How are you sure you have of God? how are you sure those that are not in your sect are of God?

the op even talk about some christian sect.

ptdf

God did not reject sacrifice,He only say,to obey is better that sacrifice. Show me were God reject sacrifice, called it sin.

Lets discuss this seperately, kindly create a thread for it please.
Re: All Religions Lead To God? Can One Discern The True Religion? by Kay17: 1:37pm On Nov 17, 2014
malvisguy212:
maby youu dont understand my point here, in religions salvation is attained by human effort,example if you Good deed surpass your bad deed God will have mercy on you,this is differs from the moral law. But in christianity, it is the free gift of God,your must genuely repent to deserv the gift of God in christ jesus.

That does not imply that Christianity is a true religion as a result. It is merely that Christianity has a different view from others.

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Re: All Religions Lead To God? Can One Discern The True Religion? by urheme: 1:59pm On Nov 17, 2014
malvisguy212:
maby youu dont understand my point here, in religions salvation is attained by human effort,example if you Good deed surpass your bad deed God will have mercy on you,this is differs from the moral law. But in christianity, it is the free gift of God,your must genuely repent to deserv the gift of God in christ jesus.


please be specific. as at what time does this gift and mercy comes to you?

because the mere fact that a person gave his life to Christ or now have salvation will not stop the law from taking its course, the punishment for murder is a death sentence irrespective of whether you have salvation or not, unless you are saying the free gift of God and mercies comes to that person after he must have been hung, this is mercy after death.

you are mistaking moral laws for positive laws, moral laws does not prescribe sanction.
Re: All Religions Lead To God? Can One Discern The True Religion? by malvisguy212: 6:38pm On Nov 17, 2014
urheme:



please be specific. as at what time does this gift and mercy comes to you?

because the mere fact that a person gave his life to Christ or now have salvation will not stop the law from taking its course, the punishment for murder is a death sentence irrespective of whether you have salvation or not, unless you are saying the free gift of God and mercies comes to that person after he must have been hung, this is mercy after death.

you are mistaking moral laws for positive laws, moral laws does not prescribe sanction.
i dont know how to quote post by post, but this coment you make
"because the mere fact that a person gave his life to Christ or now have
salvation will not stop the law from taking its course, the punishment
for murder is a death sentence irrespective of whether you have
salvation or not"
the above coment was mad by you, you are mixing the divine law of God to judge with the natural law of man, Ofcourse a killer will saved is punishment, but in the divine law of God,if you repent genuely, God will forgive you. But the natural law will condemed the killer.
Re: All Religions Lead To God? Can One Discern The True Religion? by malvisguy212: 6:43pm On Nov 17, 2014
Kay17:


That does not imply that Christianity is a true religion as a result. It is merely that Christianity has a different view from others.
thank you for your sincerity, it is either all religion are right and christianity is wrong or the other way round, now all religion can never be right because they all have differnce name giving to there god.
Re: All Religions Lead To God? Can One Discern The True Religion? by malvisguy212: 7:07pm On Nov 17, 2014
Rilwayne001:


Okay



Sect is more like sub-religion


True


And i asked you to apply the logic you used in interpreting religion to sect as well
Below is what am talking about.



Now apply thiss^^ to sect of christianity too.

Since many sects of christianity doctrine contradicts one another, it would seem not all sects of christianity could be simulteneously true. How can you tell the true sects? undecided


Please quote the verse and let us examine it.



How are you sure you have of God? how are you sure those that are not in your sect are of God?


ptdf



Lets discuss this seperately, kindly create a thread for it please.


◄ Mark 13:13 ►
Everyone will hate you because of me, but the one who stands firm to
the end will be saved.

Matthew 15:9 In vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments

what this verse is saying is this,the name of jesus will caused division, some will believe in jesus as God but some will not.

I believe in jesu because i have encounter Him and he called me his son, sometimes in my dreams, whenever am in denger, a Lamb always apper and saved me, jesus is the lamb of God.


You are the one that request for it, open a thread and i promies to clear your thought
Re: All Religions Lead To God? Can One Discern The True Religion? by honourhim: 7:22pm On Nov 17, 2014
urheme:


The life after death that i believe in, is that your legacy continue to keep your name alive if not a man's journey ends at death.

I have had a personal encounter with the God of the universe and i can assure you that, God is unreligious.

Bro this is not a matter of what you believe in, It is matter of what is actually the true state of things. Believing in a wrong thing cannot make it right. There is an after life where you are faced with heaven an hell fire. You may choose not to believe it but it doesnt change anything. I pray you change from your wrong belief.
Re: All Religions Lead To God? Can One Discern The True Religion? by urheme: 7:35pm On Nov 17, 2014
malvisguy212:
i dont know how to quote post by post, but this coment you make
"because the mere fact that a person gave his life to Christ or now have
salvation will not stop the law from taking its course, the punishment
for murder is a death sentence irrespective of whether you have
salvation or not"
the above coment was mad by you, you are mixing the divine law of God to judge with the natural law of man, Ofcourse a killer will saved is punishment, but in the divine law of God,if you repent genuely, God will forgive you. But the natural law will condemed the killer.


We may be saying the same thing, but i don't understand the way you are putting it, i want to save my self the head ache, i concur,

Abeg no quote me again
Re: All Religions Lead To God? Can One Discern The True Religion? by Rilwayne001: 9:34am On Nov 18, 2014
malvisguy212:

◄ Mark 13:13 ►
Everyone will hate you because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.

Kind tell me how this verse proves division/sects.
Does the 41000 denominations/sects stands firm together undecided

Matthew 15:9 In vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments


Again you failed here,

1) This verse above does'nt relate to your claim below.

2) The verse was not talking about Jesus rather yahweh,

Mat 15:7 You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you: 15:8 "'These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. 15:9 They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.'"

what this verse is saying is this,the name of jesus will caused division, some will believe in jesus as God but some will not.

SMDH undecided undecided Try again

I believe in jesu because i have encounter Him and he called me his son, sometimes in my dreams, whenever am in denger, a Lamb always apper and saved me, jesus is the lamb of God.

Hmmmm grin grin grin
Your usual thing undecided


You are the one that request for it, open a thread and i promies to clear your thought

Okay will do that whenever am opportuned.

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Re: All Religions Lead To God? Can One Discern The True Religion? by davien(m): 8:50pm On Nov 18, 2014
malvisguy212:
i culd'nt reply your post due to network problem.

There are many historical quote about jesus,but if i provide it, it will be the same excusses.

Author's Background About A.D. 52, Thallus wrote a history about the Middle East from the
time of the Trojan War to the first century A.D.[1] The work has been
lost and the only record we have of his writings is through Julius
Africanus (AD 221). Below Julius Africanus refers to Christ's crucifixion
and the darkness that covered the earth prior to his death. Reference To Jesus Christ "On the whole world there pressed a most fearful darkness; and the rocks were rent by an earthquake, and many places in Judea and other
districts were thrown down. This darkness Thallus, in the 263 third
book of his History, calls, as appears to me without reason, an eclipse
of the sun. For the Hebrews celebrate the passover on the 14th day
according to the moon, and the passion of our Savior fails on the day
before the passover [see Phlegon]; but an eclipse of the sun takes place only when the moon comes under the sun. And it cannot happen at
any other time but in the interval between the first day of the new
moon and the last of the old, that is, at their junction: how then should
an eclipse be supposed to happen when the moon is almost
diametrically opposite the sun?" - Julius Africanus, Chronography, 18.1
Conclusion
This reference reveals several key things:
1) Darkness covered the earth at Christ's death.
2) The key question was: "What caused it?"
3) The time of the darkness agrees with Matthew 27:45. 4) An eclipse cannot account for the darkness - this was a miracle.
I actually researched about this before replying...
From my findings,thallus was a samaritan freedman of emperor tiberius who wrote a history of greece and asia,and mentioned an eclipse of the sun. In 221 CE, a christian writer, sextus julius africanus notes that
"Thallus, in
the third book
of his
histories,
explains away
this darkness
as an eclipse
of the sun."
Thallus does not refer to a "jesus", only to an eclipse, which christians have used to bolster their mythical story.

So your claim of a "supernatural" event is just an eclipse of the sun....
Re: All Religions Lead To God? Can One Discern The True Religion? by malvisguy212: 9:14pm On Nov 19, 2014
davien:
I actually researched about this before replying...
From my findings,thallus was a samaritan freedman of emperor tiberius who wrote a history of greece and asia,and mentioned an eclipse of the sun. In 221 CE, a christian writer, sextus julius africanus notes that
"Thallus, in
the third book
of his
histories,
explains away
this darkness
as an eclipse
of the sun."
Thallus does not refer to a "jesus", only to an eclipse, which christians have used to bolster their mythical story.

So your claim of a "supernatural" event is just an eclipse of the sun....
Re: All Religions Lead To God? Can One Discern The True Religion? by malvisguy212: 9:40pm On Nov 19, 2014
Rilwayne001:


Kind tell me how this verse proves division/sects.
Does the 41000 denominations/sects stands firm together undecided



Again you failed here,

1) This verse above does'nt relate to your claim below.

2) The verse was not talking about Jesus rather yahweh,

Mat 15:7 You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you: 15:8 "'These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. 15:9 They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.'"



SMDH undecided undecided Try again



Hmmmm grin grin grin
Your usual thing undecided




Okay will do that whenever am opportuned.

Don't forget to vote for me today wink
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Luke 12:51-53: Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but
division. From now on there will be five in one family divided
against each other, three against two and two against three. They
will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother
against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law
against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in- law.

The verse say, "five in one family" five (sect) in one famil(christianity) jesus begin with this "Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but
division."

Following Christ in many countries carries a significant price to pay in
many places of the world. In fact, the decision to become a Christian
often results in being ostracized from one's family and even worse. Even within some Christian traditions, the decision to leave the
tradition of one's family to join another tradition is met with exclusion
from the family. Jesus told His disciples before His death that the world will, in fact, hate
them: “If the world hates you, you know that it has hated Me before it hated you. 19 If you were of the world, the world would love its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of
the world, because of this the world hates you. 20 Remember the word that I said to you, ‘A slave is not greater than his master.’ If
they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you; if they kept My word, they will keep yours also. 21 But all these things they will do
to you for My name’s sake, because they do not know the One who
sent Me. John 15:18-21 So, there is division and that decision does arise out of one's decision to
follow Christ, but the prophecy was that the world would hate
Christians--not that Christians would hate the world (the people of the
world). So, no, the passage should not be deleted. There are millions of
Christians who have experienced the hatred of one's own family upon
their decision to follow Christ. These verses predicted that.
Re: All Religions Lead To God? Can One Discern The True Religion? by malvisguy212: 9:40pm On Nov 19, 2014
Rilwayne001:


Kind tell me how this verse proves division/sects.
Does the 41000 denominations/sects stands firm together undecided



Again you failed here,

1) This verse above does'nt relate to your claim below.

2) The verse was not talking about Jesus rather yahweh,

Mat 15:7 You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you: 15:8 "'These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. 15:9 They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.'"



SMDH undecided undecided Try again



Hmmmm grin grin grin
Your usual thing undecided




Okay will do that whenever am opportuned.

Don't forget to vote for me today wink
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Re: All Religions Lead To God? Can One Discern The True Religion? by Rilwayne001: 9:56pm On Nov 20, 2014
malvisguy212:

Luke 12:51-53: Do you think I came to bring peace on earth
No, I tell you, but division.
Since you affirm that Jesus said all this word, then you automatically affirm that jesus is troublemaker who came to bring chaos and comfusion to humanity, only satan goes into a family where peace has beeen reigning and go into their midst to cause confusion. Do you even know the meaning of DIVISION?

DIVISION surely turn to hatred, just take a look at the former PDP before the G5 governors left them,everything was smooth but immidietly division occured between them, the hatred is well known to everyone of us.

Same way your alleged division you claimed jesus talked about makes every sects of xtianity to hate one another.

In a nutshell, you affirmed that the mission of Jesus in this world is to cause division among hamanity.


From now on there will be five in one family divided against each other, three against two and two against three. They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in- law.
Then Jesus must have been an enemy of unity, because no one will pray for such family.

The verse say, [b] "five in one family" five (sect) in one famil(christianity) jesus begin with this
"Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division." [/quote]

Do we have 5sects of xtianity in the whole world?


Following Christ in many countries carries a significant price to pay in many places of the world. In fact, the decision to become a Christian often results in being ostracized from one's family and even worse. Even within some Christian traditions, the decision to leave the tradition of one's family to join another tradition is met with exclusion from the family. Jesus told His disciples before His death that the world will, in fact, hate them: “If the world hates you, you know that it has hated Me before it hated you. 19 If you were of the world, the world would love its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, because of this the world hates you. 20 Remember the word that I said to you, ‘A slave is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you; if they kept My word, they will keep yours also. 21 But all these things they will do to you for My name’s sake, because they do not know the One who
sent Me. John 15:18-21 So, there is division and that decision does arise out of one's decision to follow Christ, but the prophecy was that the world would hate
Christians--not that Christians would hate the world (the people of the world). So, no, the passage should not be deleted. There are millions of Christians who have experienced the hatred of one's own family upon their decision to follow Christ. These verses predicted that.

All this lengthy irrelevant post is still talking about hating xtians, tell me, all the 41000 sects believe they are all xtians, are you telling me that they all hate themselves, Do you hate yourself, Do you hate your father or your siblings?
Re: All Religions Lead To God? Can One Discern The True Religion? by malvisguy212: 7:39am On Nov 21, 2014
Rilwayne001:

Since you affirm that Jesus said all this word, then you automatically affirm that jesus is troublemaker who came to bring chaos and comfusion to humanity, only satan goes into a family where peace has beeen reigning and go into their midst to cause confusion. Do you even know the meaning of DIVISION?

DIVISION surely turn to hatred, just take a look at the former PDP before the G5 governors left them,everything was smooth but immidietly division occured between them, the hatred is well known to everyone of us.

Same way your alleged division you claimed jesus talked about makes every sects of xtianity to hate one another.

In a nutshell, you affirmed that the mission of Jesus in this world is to cause division among hamanity.



Then Jesus must have been an enemy of unity, because no one will pray for such family.

"Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division."

Do we have 5sects of xtianity in the whole world?


Following Christ in many countries carries a significant price to pay in many places of the world. In fact, the decision to become a Christian often results in being ostracized from one's family and even worse. Even within some Christian traditions, the decision to leave the tradition of one's family to join another tradition is met with exclusion from the family. Jesus told His disciples before His death that the world will, in fact, hate them: “If the world hates you, you know that it has hated Me before it hated you. 19 If you were of the world, the world would love its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, because of this the world hates you. 20 Remember the word that I said to you, ‘A slave is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you; if they kept My word, they will keep yours also. 21 But all these things they will do to you for My name’s sake, because they do not know the One who
sent Me. John 15:18-21 So, there is division and that decision does arise out of one's decision to follow Christ, but the prophecy was that the world would hate
Christians--not that Christians would hate the world (the people of the world). So, no, the passage should not be deleted. There are millions of Christians who have experienced the hatred of one's own family upon their decision to follow Christ. These verses predicted that.

All this lengthy irrelevant post is still talking about hating xtians, tell me, all the 41000 sects believe they are all xtians, are you telling me that they all hate themselves, Do you hate yourself, Do you hate your father or your siblings?

world peace is not among the will of God, because if evil is alow because of freewill,world peace will not happen, some people will disagree with the decision you make.

You claim you have knowledge but your way of thinking is something else, example, is'nt muhammad the prophet of islam? If a christian want to convert to islam because of the teaching of muhammad and the father disagree with the decision of the child, because of muhammad there is disunty in the family,how can you reconcile this with a muslim want to convert to a christian?


When i say 5 sect, is an example i use ,this verse talk about the division in christianity because it start with the word"family".
Re: All Religions Lead To God? Can One Discern The True Religion? by Rilwayne001: 9:12am On Nov 21, 2014
malvisguy212:
world peace is not among the will of God,

Then for what reason(s) did the bible say God created the world?

For what reason did the bible say "For God so love te world" ? If peace is not part of the will of God then for what reason(s) as he been sending prophets and messangers to humanity?

I ask you the other time that the mission of Jesus in this world is to cause division among humanity. is that what you are saying?

Remember jesus said blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called the sons of God , tell me if Jesus didnt peace to the world how do you then reconcile with the verse @bolded? Don't you think atall.

Satan's greatest weapon is deception, which causes disunity and division are you affirming here that that was the mission of Jesus?

See what Jesus said about division
Luke 11:17 Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them: "Any kingdom divided against itself will be ruined , and a house divided against itself will fall .

Division causes ruin, it causes a family to fall, now tell me is this what jesus brought?


because if evil is alow because of freewill,world peace will not happen, some people will disagree with the decision you make.


Dayuuummm....is'nt there evil in the world?

You claim you have knowledge but your way of thinking is something else,

Really! grin grin

Everyone has knowledge, just that yours is very low talking about the religion you profess


example, is'nt muhammad the prophet of islam? If a christian want to convert to islam because of the teaching of muhammad and the father disagree with the decision of the child, because of muhammad there is disunty in the family,how can you reconcile this with a muslim want to convert to a christian?


Islam is a religion same as christianity
You shouldnt use religion as an example, we are talking about sects of christianity here. Your claim was that Jesus brought division to christianity that was why we have over 41000sects. so clearyour mess please.

Here is another verse.
Mat 18:18 "I tell you the truth, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.

The ^^verse above was saying if you are not bind on earth you will be loosed in heaven. is'nt it?:

When i say 5 sect, is an example i use , this verse talk about the division in christianity because it start with the word"family".

I already clear this ^^ with Luke 11:17, the verse also talk about family....try again undecided

@bolded .. Even paul was begging you not to divide

1Cor 1:10 I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be perfectly united in mind and thought.

With over 41000sects do you all agree with one another?

Dayuuummm....You don't read your bible thouroughly do you?

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Re: All Religions Lead To God? Can One Discern The True Religion? by malvisguy212: 10:09am On Nov 21, 2014
Rilwayne001:


Then for what reason(s) did the bible say God created the world?

For what reason did the bible say "For God so love te world" ? If peace is not part of the will of God then for what reason(s) as he been sending prophets and messangers to humanity?

I ask you the other time that the mission of Jesus in this world is to cause division among humanity. is that what you are saying?

Remember jesus said blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called the sons of God , tell me if Jesus didnt peace to the world how do you then reconcile with the verse @bolded? Don't you think atall.

Satan's greatest weapon is deception, which causes disunity and division are you affirming here that that was the mission of Jesus?

See what Jesus said about division
Luke 11:17 Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them: "Any kingdom divided against itself will be ruined , and a house divided against itself will fall .

Division causes ruin, it causes a family to fall, now tell me is this what jesus brought?




Dayuuummm....is'nt there evil in the world?



Really! grin grin

Everyone has knowledge, just that yours is very low talking about the religion you profess




Islam is a religion same as christianity
You shouldnt use religion as an example, we are talking about sects of christianity here. Your claim was that Jesus brought division to christianity that was why we have over 41000sects. so clearyour mess please.

Here is another verse.
Mat 18:18 "I tell you the truth, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.

The ^^verse above was saying if you are not bind on earth you will be loosed in heaven. is'nt it?:



I already clear this ^^ with Luke 11:17, the verse also talk about family....try again undecided

@bolded .. Even paul was begging you not to divide

1Cor 1:10 I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be perfectly united in mind and thought.

With over 41000sects do you all agree with one another?

Dayuuummm....You don't read your bible thouroughly do you?
God creatd this world and called it "good" there is no verse in the bible that claim this world is perfect, world peace is not among the will of God,dose this mean we should do evil? How do you muslims reason? The purpose of we living in this world, is for us to love God and live in harmony with one another, without evil man will never express true love for God and to your fellow human,bible encourage us to make peace yes, BUT BIBLE NEVER SAY GOD WILL REMOVED EVILS COMPLETLY ON THIS WORLD

Luke 11:17 Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them: "Any kingdom divided against itself will be ruined , and a house divided against itself will fall .
Yes, thank you for quoting this verse, it is not the will of God for man to be divided among our self,but for the decision we make,it will happen,everybody is alow to make his choice,freewill.

You miss my point, evil is alow in this world for man to chose to love or opposed God.https://www.nairaland.com/1995965/athiest-claim-god-existed-prayer

christianity is not the same as islam, they are difference,the quran can never be the word of God with all the fail prophecey and the lies in it.

1Cor 1:10 I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be perfectly united in mind and thought.
So you believe in paul now? Good, i repeat!! It is not the will of God for mankind to be divided, but for the sake of evil and freewill, man is alow to chose what he believe.

discussing religion with you it a wast of time, because no one has ever answer your question, you chose what to reply, you could'nt reply my thread "lying diety" .
Re: All Religions Lead To God? Can One Discern The True Religion? by Rilwayne001: 11:28am On Nov 21, 2014
malvisguy212:
God creatd this world and called it "good" there is no verse in the bible that claim this world is perfect, world peace is not among the will of God,dose this mean we should do evil? How do you muslims reason? The purpose of we living in this world, is for us to love God and live in harmony with one another, without evil man will never express true love for God and to your fellow human,bible encourage us to make peace yes, BUT BIBLE NEVER SAY GOD WILL REMOVED EVILS COMPLETLY ON THIS WORLD

You have totally turn the discussion away from what its intended for. And its typical of you, its as always been what you do if you cant face the topic at hand.

My question was about sects i xtianity, and instead of you to face it, you keep runing around and bringing irrelevant examples and issues....and the end of the day you claim jesus prophecise the division. You claim jesus was not a ppeacemaker. is'nt it


Luke 11:17 Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them: "Any kingdom divided against itself will be ruined , and a house divided against itself will fall .
Yes, thank you for quoting this verse, it is not the will of God for man to be divided among our self,but for the decision we make,it will happen,everybody is alow to make his choice,freewill.


Anybody reading your commentary to that verse will see how low your knowledge is. cus i wonder how it correlate with the verse

You miss my point, evil is alow in this world for man to chose to love or opposed God.https://www.nairaland.com/1995965/athiest-claim-god-existed-prayer

I never talked about evil and the world, my discuss here is all about sects in christianity, 41000sects, is the bible a book of confusion? So Jesus brought division of over 41000sects for you to choose the only right one of them? is'nt that what you are saying here?

christianity is not the same as islam, they are difference,

Im not talking about islam and xtianity here, am talking about the over 41000sects of christianity, since each of them claim to be true sects then they cannot all be simulteneously true....dont you gerrit undecided

the quran can never be the word of God with all the fail prophecey and the lies in it.

And your alleged word of God is full of ccontradictions and errancy and has lled over 41000sects to have different doctrines undecided undecided Smh


1Cor 1:10 I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be perfectly united in mind and thought.
So you believe in paul now?

No

I dont believe him, but your claim was that jesus brought division is'nt it?

Then someone must be lying between you, paul and jesus

Good, i repeat!! It is not the will of God for mankind to be divided, but for the sake of evil and freewill, man is alow to chose what he believe.

Again you are telling me here that God allegedly split xtianity to 41000sects in other for you to be searching for the 1 true sect

discussing religion with you it a wast of time,
Really.

one can read this thread and see how you've been displaying your ignorance and tell who is a waste of time btw me and you.

because no one has ever answer your question, you chose what to reply,

You know i am not a gainsayer, i will always leave you when it is obviious that you cant comprehend my explanations
Why should i venture into a futilr argument when it is obvious that the person am argueing is a stiffnecked ignoramus undecided

you could'nt reply my thread "lying diety" .

grin grin LOL...a thread you bombarded with different topics that you are never stable on . will reply your thread when i av the time, even though none of you was able to addres my thread concerning the bedrock of you salvation, "analysis on the crucifixtion of jesus". Time will tell..
Re: All Religions Lead To God? Can One Discern The True Religion? by malvisguy212: 2:00pm On Nov 21, 2014
Rilwayne001:


You have totally turn the discussion away from what its intended for. And its typical of you, its as always been what you do if you cant face the topic at hand.

My question was about sects i xtianity, and instead of you to face it, you keep runing around and bringing irrelevant examples and issues....and the end of the day you claim jesus prophecise the division. You claim jesus was not a ppeacemaker. is'nt it




Anybody reading your commentary to that verse will see how low your knowledge is. cus i wonder how it correlate with the verse



I never talked about evil and the world, my discuss here is all about sects in christianity, 41000sects, is the bible a book of confusion? So Jesus brought division of over 41000sects for you to choose the only right one of them? is'nt that what you are saying here?



Im not talking about islam and xtianity here, am talking about the over 41000sects of christianity, since each of them claim to be true sects then they cannot all be simulteneously true....dont you gerrit undecided



And your alleged word of God is full of ccontradictions and errancy and has lled over 41000sects to have different doctrines undecided undecided Smh



No

I dont believe him, but your claim was that jesus brought division is'nt it?

Then someone must be lying between you, paul and jesus



Again you are telling me here that God allegedly split xtianity to 41000sects in other for you to be searching for the 1 true sect


Really.

one can read this thread and see how you've been displaying your ignorance and tell who is a waste of time btw me and you.



You know i am not a gainsayer, i will always leave you when it is obviious that you cant comprehend my explanations
Why should i venture into a futilr argument when it is obvious that the person am argueing is a stiffnecked ignoramus undecided



grin grin LOL...a thread you bombarded with different topics that you are never stable on . will reply your thread when i av the time, even though none of you was able to addres my thread concerning the bedrock of you salvation, "analysis on the crucifixtion of jesus". Time will tell..
you called your self mr intelligent but you cant use the brain you claim to have.

What do you understand by freewill? Can you love God without freewill? Jesus say his teaching will cause division among family,isn't christianity family?let me explain to you for the last time.

Jesus say because of his teaching many will disagree, what dose this mean?this is were the root of division start, infact micah say the same thing in:
◄ Micah 7:6 ►
For a son dishonors his father, a daughter rises up against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law-- a man's enemies are
the members of his own household.

Jesus was not talking about outsider, but He is talking about brethren between christianity.

You accuse me of lying. I CHALLENGE YOU TO QUOTE WERE I CONTRADICT THE MESSAGE OF CHRIST.if you cant ,then you are a lier and the father(satan) of it.

Even christianity has many set, you dont see christians killing one another , do you?

The thread title "the lying deity " was pointing to one discussion , did allah empower jesus to perform miracle ? No answer , because if you say yes, then you are automatically saying Allah lied.

Am still Waiting for the thread on sacrifice.
Re: All Religions Lead To God? Can One Discern The True Religion? by Rilwayne001: 3:10pm On Nov 21, 2014
malvisguy212:
you called your self mr intelligent but you cant use the brain you claim to have.
I never call myself Mr. intelligent, I don't praise myself, people like paul do it, he praises himself even when the OT condemn such action.
Go and read ur bible

What do you understand by freewill?
Freewill is spontenous i.e proceeding from natural feeling or native tendency without external constraint...
Now my question to you here is that, Did you choose to be protestant out of freewill?
Why didnt you choose to be catholic, why?

Can you love God without freewill?
The meaning of freewill already answers your question

Jesus say his teaching will cause division among family,isn't christianity family?


Jesus can never said the above because he'll automatically contradicts himself when he said: Luke 11:17 Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them: "Any kingdom divided against itself will be ruined , and a house divided against itself will fall .

When he knows that a family divided will fall, then how do you expect him to teach or bring division? please answer my question

let me explain to you for the last time.

Try to comprehend my explanations, dont just copy and paste

Jesus say because of his teaching many will disagree, what dose this mean?this is were the root of division start,

Jesus never said the above, why are you lying? I've given you aa lot of precept but you remain cantankerous undecided

infact micah say the same thing in:
◄ Micah 7:6 ►
For a son dishonors his father, a daughter rises up against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law-- a man's enemies are the members of his own household.

Why dont you read the context undecided

Jesus was not talking about outsider, but He is talking about brethren between christianity.
You accuse me of lying. I CHALLENGE YOU TO QUOTE WERE I CONTRADICT THE MESSAGE OF CHRIST.if you cant ,then you are a lier and the father(satan) of it.

Read Luke 11:17, Matt 18:18, and 1cor. 1:10 and read all your comments then tell me who is lying between you all.

Even christianity has many set, you dont see christians killing one another , do you?

Kindly search 30years war on wikipedia and tell me what is all about

The thread title "the lying deity " was pointing to one discussion , did allah empower jesus to perform miracle ? No answer , because if you say yes, then you are automatically saying Allah lied. Am still Waiting for the thread on sacrifice.

Time will tell
Re: All Religions Lead To God? Can One Discern The True Religion? by malvisguy212: 3:42pm On Nov 21, 2014
Rilwayne001:
I never call myself Mr. intelligent, I don't praise myself, people like paul do it, he praises himself even when the OT condemn such action.
Go and read ur bible


Freewill is spontenous i.e proceeding from natural feeling or native tendency without external constraint...
Now my question to you here is that, Did you choose to be protestant out of freewill?
Why didnt you choose to be catholic, why?


The meaning of freewill already answers your question



Jesus can never said the above because he'll automatically contradicts himself when he said: Luke 11:17 Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them: "Any kingdom divided against itself will be ruined , and a house divided against itself will fall .

When he knows that a family divided will fall, then how do you expect him to teach or bring division? please answer my question



Try to comprehend my explanations, dont just copy and paste



Jesus never said the above, why are you lying? I've given you aa lot of precept but you remain cantankerous undecided



Why dont you read the context undecided



Read Luke 11:17, Matt 18:18, and 1cor. 1:10 and read all your comments then tell me who is lying between you all.



Kindly search 30years war on wikipedia and tell me what is all about



Time will tell
according to you "there are 41 00000 christians sect" what the caused of this? Is it not because of doctrin? Which doctrin? The doctrine of jesus christ. Now, is it not because of jesus teaching that caused this division ?you are taking this discussion backwards.

You accused me of lying, i challenge you to provide were i lied, you are asking me to help you do it, are you lazy? So now paul teaching dose not contradict jesus own, it's me. May God forgive your lies.

Let me repeat myself again, show me were christians kill them self NOWADAYS like the muslims do today?
Re: All Religions Lead To God? Can One Discern The True Religion? by PastorAIO: 10:55am On Nov 22, 2014
malvisguy212:
according to you "there are 41 00000 christians sect" what the caused of this? Is it not because of doctrin? Which doctrin? The doctrine of jesus christ. Now, is it not because of jesus teaching that caused this division ?you are taking this discussion backwards.

You accused me of lying, i challenge you to provide were i lied, you are asking me to help you do it, are you lazy? So now paul teaching dose not contradict jesus own, it's me. May God forgive your lies.

Let me repeat myself again, show me were christians kill them self NOWADAYS like the muslims do today?

The fact of the matter is that People killing themselves is NOT a matter of religion but a matter of geopolitics. If it was a matter of religion then muslims everywhere at all times would be killing themselves or not. And likewise Christians everywhere at all times would either be killing themselves or not.

Malvisguy's insistence on reference to 'NOWADAYS' rather than over the course of history of religion is a clear giveaway that the situation he is referring to is due to the current geopolitical set up, and not due to any religion as such.

Politics makes much use of religion. For instance, what does the message of christianity have to do with the Liberation Theology of the African American civil rights movement? When Martin Luther King says that 'I've been to the mountaintop and I've seen the promised land', he is not talking about Canaan. He was using religious rhetoric to make a political point.

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Re: All Religions Lead To God? Can One Discern The True Religion? by PastorAIO: 11:01am On Nov 22, 2014
I think first and foremost it would help if you could tell us what Religion is supposed to do.

When we know that we can then compare and contrast. and we can see which religions get us the best results.

malvisguy212:
Agnostics often fall into two camps - those who believe that all
religions can lead to God or those who believe that true religion cannot
be discerned. This page examines both positions in an attempt to
determine where the truth may lie. Logically, there are several
possibilities. Atheists would say that no religion leads to God, since He
doesn't exist. It is possible that one, several or all religions lead to God.

ALL WAYS LEAD TO GOD:
There are hundreds of religions in the world today, and many ancient
religions that are no longer practiced. It is possible, and perhaps likely,
that all religions contain some truth and/or good moral advice.
However, in examining religious teaching, it is important to examine
the fundamental beliefs of each religion and compare those to each
other. When this is done, it is apparent that primary religious teachings contradict each other. Judaism says that the Messiah is coming,
Christianity says that He has come, and Islam says that Mohammad
provided all the information necessary for religious life. Obviously,
these truth claims cannot be simultaneously true, since they contradict
each other. Logically, we must reject the idea that all religions lead to
God.

TRUE RELIGEON:IS IT POSSIBLE TO DISCERN?
I believe that there are some things that we can discern about God
from the nature of the universe. The universe demonstrates some
remarkable evidence of design. What kind of God designed all this, and how can we know His true identity? Most people who believe God
exists would agree with the argument that the God who designed the
universe must be a personal God. For God to put so much time and care
into the design of the universe and life, it would seem logical to
conclude that God really cared about His creation, and was personally
involved in it's creation. A God who did not care about his creation would never be expected to spend 14 billion years of development
just so that humans would have a nice place to live for a few thousand
years. Therefore, it would seem likely that the true God must be a
personal God, and not the God of deism, pantheism, Buddhism, etc. So,
it would seem that these religions probably do not represent the true
nature of God.
ELIMINATE THE ILLOGICAL:
The powerful and personal Creator God of the universe would probably
want to reveal Himself to His spiritual creatures. So, it seems likely that
God would have revealed His true nature to one or more of the
peoples of the earth. Are all the revelations of the world religions a
reflection of God or just certain one(s)? This is the difficult question that
cannot be answered in merely one short page. However, I believe one can come up with a best answer through much study and through the
process of elimination. For example, some religions make truth claims
that are obviously false. The LDS church (Mormons) claims that gods are created through procreation and that creatures created by those gods can eventually become gods themselves. However, this religion suffers
from the problem of how the first god came into existence. Logic
would dictate that God is eternal and uncreated. All religions that claim
otherwise would seem to be logically flawed.
BASIC RELIGEON CLAIM:
Since many religious claims contradict one another, it would seem that
not all religions could be simultaneously true. How can we tell which
religion(s) are true? If you examine the world religions, most describe
ethical and moral laws that are ascribed to God. Breaking of those laws
is an offense to God. How do different religions handle that problem?
Many religions say that if one tries to obey God's laws most of the time, God will accept you. However, I believe that we can eliminate
that idea as being true of the Creator God of the universe. God designed
physical laws of the universe. These laws are constant and
unbreakable. God Himself, seems to break those physical laws only
rarely. I propose that this God would not accept the breaking of His
moral laws so easily. In fact, from the nature of the physical laws, it would seem that God would not accept the breaking of His moral laws
at all. Nearly all religions claim that God will ignore our breaking of His
moral laws as long as we try our best. This is where Christianity differs
from all other world religions. Christianity says that our good works
cannot erase our bad moral choices. Think of it in terms of our legal
systems. We are convicted of crimes on the basis of breaking the law. If we break a law, we are found guilty under the law. It doesn't matter
what good things we have done in our lives, if we break the law. We
might get a lesser sentence, but we will still be convicted of a crime.
So, God cannot simply ignore our crimes against Him. We will be found
guilty, despite our good works. Christianity says that our bad deeds
(sins) must be eliminated in order to be acceptable to God. The elimination of sins was accomplished by the sacrifice of the Savior
(Jesus Christ). Jesus Christ is God Himself, who came to earth, led a sinless life, and died on the cross as a sacrifice to take the sins of
mankind. So, God Himself provided a means of eliminating our sins
against Him. However, the elimination of sins is not automatic. Since
God will allow people into His presence after death, they must agree to
His terms. This contract is executed through faith in the sacrifice of
Jesus Christ to eliminate our sins. By accepting God's terms, our sins are erased and we can stand in the presence of God without any sin. Only
our good deeds will be counted for our judgment. Those who don't
accept God's terms will be judged on the basis of God's laws - and will
be found guilty.
CHRISTIANITY IS DIFFERENT :
No other religion provides a provision for God's forgiveness of
sin, which is why I believe Christianity to be the only true way
to God. Jesus said He is the only way to God and that all people
must follow Him to enter heaven. All other religions are man's attempt to become acceptable to God. Only Christianity says
that God alone provides the only means to be acceptable to
Him. So, either Christianity is true and all other religions are false or
Christianity is false and God does not hold people accountable for law
breaking. Personally, I would not want to rely upon God ignoring His
own rules. It doesn't seem to be logical reasoning. This is the choice you must make.

CONCLUSION:
So, I encourage you to examine the world religions to see if what I am
saying is true. Don't give up on the ability to separate the truth claims
of the world's religions. If Christianity is true, you must make a choice
or you will be judged on the basis of your sins against God. Let me
know if you have any questions.
Re: All Religions Lead To God? Can One Discern The True Religion? by malvisguy212: 11:00pm On Nov 22, 2014
PastorAIO:
I think first and foremost it would help if you could tell us what Religion is supposed to do.

When we know that we can then compare and contrast. and we can see which religions get us the best results.

did you read the op?
God design the moral law that mankind can live in peace with one another, ,the physical law of man did not contradict the moral law, any religion that his teaching contradict this two law are not from God.

All religion teaches that salvation can be attained by human effort(good deed)your good deed can saved you,example, if a man killed your loved one and he was arrested,only,but on the day of his judgment, the judge consider his Good deed and free'd him, can you called the judge a good judge?. christianity teaches that salvation is the free gift of God(romans 6:23) , your good deed cannot saved you, you are saved by the mercy of God,example, if you are a bad man and you truly repent but the next day you die, the bad things you do cannot be counted because you genuely repent and God forgive you bible say "loved cover a multitude of sin".
Re: All Religions Lead To God? Can One Discern The True Religion? by Weah96: 12:41am On Nov 23, 2014
malvisguy212:
did you read the op?
God design the moral law that mankind can live in peace with one another, ,the physical law of man did not contradict the moral law, any religion that his teaching contradict this two law are not from God.

All religion teaches that salvation can be attained by human effort(good deed)your good deed can saved you,example, if a man killed your loved one and he was arrested,only,but on the day of his judgment, the judge consider his Good deed and free'd him, can you called the judge a good judge?. christianity teaches that salvation is the free gift of God(romans 6:23) , your good deed cannot saved you, you are saved by the mercy of God,example, if you are a bad man and you truly repent but the next day you die, the bad things you do cannot be counted because you genuely repent and God forgive you bible say "loved cover a multitude of sin".

If good deeds don't save you, then what does? Can you repent today and backslide tomorrow, since good deeds don't matter in the salvation of your soul?
Re: All Religions Lead To God? Can One Discern The True Religion? by malvisguy212: 5:21am On Nov 23, 2014
Weah96:


If good deeds don't save you, then what does? Can you repent today and backslide tomorrow, since good deeds don't matter in the salvation of your soul?
did you read the example i gave about good deed?"if a man killed
your loved one and he was arrested, but on the day of his
judgment, the judge consider his Good deed and free'd him, can
you called the judge a good judge?"

if you genuely repent today, and tomorrow you died,God will saved you, because salvation is the mercy of God in christ jesus.ephesians 2:8-9.8 "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast." christ has already do the finishing work.
It is either christianity is false and all other religion is right(which is impossible because all religion cannot lead to the same God) or christianity is right and all other are wrong.
Re: All Religions Lead To God? Can One Discern The True Religion? by Weah96: 7:15am On Nov 23, 2014
malvisguy212:
did you read the example i gave about good deed?"if a man killed
your loved one and he was arrested, but on the day of his
judgment, the judge consider his Good deed and free'd him, can
you called the judge a good judge?"


It is either christianity is false and all other religion is right(which is impossible because all religion cannot lead to the same God) or christianity is right and all other are wrong.

A judge who allows a murderer to walk free is a human, not an omnipotent deity whose will is absolute.

Who are you to question God, if he is what you say he is? You cannot judge the judge.

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