1. Matthew 24:36
No one knows about that day or hour, not even the Son, but the Father only.
Here Jesus makes a distinction between what he knows and what the Father knows.

2. Matthew 26:39
My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me, yet not as I will, but as Thou will.
Jesus’ will is likewise autonomous from God’s Will. Jesus is seeking acquiescence to God’s will.

3. John 5:26
For as the Father has life in Himself, so he has granted the Son to have life in himself.
Jesus received his life from God. God received his life from no one. He is eternally self-existent.

4. John 5:30
By myself, I can do nothing: I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who has sent me.
Jesus says, “by myself, I can do nothing.” This indicates that Jesus is relying upon his own relationship with God. He is not trying to “please myself” but rather is seeking to “please the one who sent me.”

5. John 5:19
The Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees the Father doing, because whatever the Father does, the Son does also.
Jesus declares that he is following a pattern laid down by God. He is expressing obedience to God.

6. Mark 10:18
Why do you call me good? No one is good, except God alone.
Here Jesus emphatically makes a distinction between himself and God.

7. John 14:28
The Father is greater than I.
This is another strong statement that makes a distinction between Jesus and God.

8. Matthew 6:9
Our Father, which art in Heaven.
He didn’t pray, Our Father, which art standing right here!”

9. Matthew 27:46
My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Inconceivable if he is God the Creator.

10. John 17:21-23
. . .that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. . ..that they may be one as we are one: I in them and you in me.
In this prayer Jesus defines the term “to be one.” It is clearly accomplished through the relationship of two autonomous beings. Christian believers are to model their relationship (to become one) after the relationship of God and Christ (as God and Christ are one). Notice that “to be one” does not mean to be “one and the same.”

11. 1 Corinthians 15:27-28
For he "has put everything under his feet." Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.
Paul declares that God put everything under Christ, except God himself. Instead God rules all things through Christ. (remember: “through him all things were made.”)

12. Hebrews 1:3
The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being.
Jesus is the exact representation of his being. I send my representative to Congress. He is not me, myself. He is my representative.

13. Hebrews 4:15 (compared with James 1:13)
For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet without sin.
Jesus has been tempted in every way, just as we are, yet he never sinned. See

James 1:13: When tempted, no one should say, God is tempting me. For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt.
Jesus was tempted in every way, but God cannot be tempted. This is why Jesus said, “don’t call me good, none are good, only God.”

14. Hebrews 5:7-9
During the days of Jesus' life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission. Although he was a son, he learned obedience from what he suffered and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him
Jesus had to walk a course of faith and obedience in order to achieve perfection. By achieving perfection, Jesus “became” the source of eternal salvation

http://www.interfaith.org/forum/14-bible-verses-that-indicate-11508.html

shdemidemi:
If He were a man like you and I, He would never have passed to be the sacrificial lamb that propitiate the sin of the world..

God is one. Jesus is the mighty God. One can squeeze all nuances from that statement, but it never changes who the Lord(owner of all) is.

Bidam:
Agreed, a perfect sinless nature for the sacrifice of the sins of humanity. No mankind could fufill that except a deity.

ayoku777:
And verses that proof that Jesus is God

1: John 1v1 -In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, AND THE WORD WAS GOD.

Jesus, the Word is God.

2: Isaiah 9v6 -For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon His shoulders: and HIS NAME SHALL BE called Wonderful, Counsellor, THE MIGHTY GOD, The Everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Jesus is GIBBOWR ELOHIM (Mighty God)

3: Jeremiah 23v5-6 -Behold the days come saith the Lord, that I will raise unto David a righteous branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.

In His days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and THIS IS HIS NAME whereby He shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGTHEOUSNESS.

Jesus is YAHOVAH TSIDKENU.

4: 1Timothy 3v16 -And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Who is God manifest in the flesh? Who is the God justified in the Spirit and seen of angels? Who is the God RECEIVED UP INTO GLORY? It is JESUS.

5: Psalm 45v6-7 -Thy throne, O GOD, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.

Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: THEREFORE GOD, THY GOD, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

Notice those two verses. In verse 6 He began by talking to God, "Thy throne O GOD is forever". Then he said "Therefore GOD, thy God hath anointed thee".

So God (The Father) anointed God (The Son). Did you see it?

Personally, I myself don't believe in the Trinity gospel. I believe Jesus is not the same person as the Father; but I believe Jesus is God (Elohim) just like the Father, according to the scriptures I have shown you and others.

According to Jesus in John 14v28b -For my Father is greater than I.

The Father is greater in authority than Jesus; because He prays to His Father (John 17v1), and He was begotten of the Father (John 1v14) but Jesus is also God too. Those scriptures make that clear.

Infact the only names of the Father that Jesus doesn't share or bare (according to my study -which i stand to be corrected) are Ancient of Days and Most High. Other than that He is also Elohim and even Yahova, like the Father.

ayoku777:

Personally, I myself don't believe in the Trinity gospel. I believe Jesus is not the same person as the Father; but I believe Jesus is God (Elohim) just like the Father, according to the scriptures I have shown you and others.
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shdemidemi:



Its quite astonishing that you don't believe in the trinity but you believe Jesus is God. Are they two separate entities, two different God?

ayoku777:


That's true. Jesus is God and the Father too is God. Do you know Elohim in Hebrew is plural?

Did you also see the verse in Paslm that I quoted, where God was anointed by God?

Psalm 45v6-7 -Thy throne, O GOD, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.

Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: THEREFORE GOD, THY GOD, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

How do you explain those verses?

Jesus is God, but He is not the Father. He is not the Most High or the ancient of Days. He is the Son of the Most High, but scripture calls Him God (Elohim) too.

shdemidemi:


My question is if you think we have 2 separate Gods- one father and one son?

I saw the passages and I agree with them all.

ayoku777:


That is what I am saying Jesus is God, and the Father is God.

But note that the Father is called "THY GOD" to Jesus. Meaning the Father is GOD to Jesus even though Jesus is also God. Meaning Jesus is God, but the Father is HIS GOD too

John 20v17b -go tell my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father and your Father; and to MY GOD, and your God.

That explains why the Father is called THE MOST HIGH GOD.

That would mean two Gods of which the Father is the Most high.

shdemidemi:


Quite new really, you are of the opinion that there are two Gods, what happens to the Spirit, is He God too or ..?

shdemidemi:
Before addressing the issue of the Holy Spirit, It has to be one of two things because the bible says

Deuteronomy 6:4

“Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God (Is what?) is one LORD:”

How then can God be two, if the bible say He is one?

ayoku777:


I saw this coming.

Jesus also said in John 10v30 -"I and my Father are one", that doesn't mean Him and His Father are one person. He also prayed to His Father to make us one in Him (John 17v21); that doesn't make us one person.

So that applies to above scripture. Oneness in the Godhead (either one body or one Lord or one Spirit) is not one person.hmm, ok.

1Cor 6v17 says "He that is joined to the Lord is ONE SPIRIT"

Now "one spirit" doesn't mean we don't have our own spirit that is different from the Holy Spirit.

That is the explanation that explains "ONE LORD" in the light of how the Father is also the God of Jesus. Because if it is only together that The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit are God, then The Father cannot be God to Jesus. And Jesus called the Father "My God" in John 20v17.

shdemidemi:


You say this was metaphorically used, right? The father and the son are not really one.


Hebrews 9:22 says

“And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is (What?) no remission.” - remission is another word for forgiveness.

In other words we need blood to pay the price of sin, but the bible makes it clear that

Romans 3:23

“For all (no one excluded) have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;”

who do you think became like man whose untainted blood qualifies to pay up the ransom?

Bidam:
Agreed, a perfect sinless nature for the sacrifice of the sins of humanity. No mankind could fufill that except a deity.

ayoku777:
And verses that proof that Jesus is God

1: John 1v1 -In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, AND THE WORD WAS GOD.

Jesus, the Word is God.

2: Isaiah 9v6 -For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon His shoulders: and HIS NAME SHALL BE called Wonderful, Counsellor, THE MIGHTY GOD, The Everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Jesus is GIBBOWR ELOHIM (Mighty God)

3: Jeremiah 23v5-6 -Behold the days come saith the Lord, that I will raise unto David a righteous branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.

In His days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and THIS IS HIS NAME whereby He shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGTHEOUSNESS.

Jesus is YAHOVAH TSIDKENU.

4: 1Timothy 3v16 -And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Who is God manifest in the flesh? Who is the God justified in the Spirit and seen of angels? Who is the God RECEIVED UP INTO GLORY? It is JESUS.

5: Psalm 45v6-7 -Thy throne, O GOD, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.

Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: THEREFORE GOD, THY GOD, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

Notice those two verses. In verse 6 He began by talking to God, "Thy throne O GOD is forever". Then he said "Therefore GOD, thy God hath anointed thee".

So God (The Father) anointed God (The Son). Did you see it?

Personally, I myself don't believe in the Trinity gospel. I believe Jesus is not the same person as the Father; but I believe Jesus is God (Elohim) just like the Father, according to the scriptures I have shown you and others.

According to Jesus in John 14v28b -For my Father is greater than I.

The Father is greater in authority than Jesus; because He prays to His Father (John 17v1), and He was begotten of the Father (John 1v14) but Jesus is also God too. Those scriptures make that clear.

Infact the only names of the Father that Jesus doesn't share or bare (according to my study -which i stand to be corrected) are Ancient of Days and Most High. Other than that He is also Elohim and even Yahova, like the Father.

ayoku777:


The answer would be Jesus, the only begotten Son of God.

shdemidemi:


I think the right question should be how did he become the son of God?

philippians 2:6a

“Who, being in the form of God"............

Can you explain the statement pls.

ayoku777:


That's true. Jesus is God and the Father too is God. Do you know Elohim in Hebrew is plural?

Did you also see the verse in Paslm that I quoted, where God was anointed by God?

Psalm 45v6-7 -Thy throne, O GOD, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.

Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: THEREFORE GOD, THY GOD, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

How do you explain those verses?

Jesus is God, but He is not the Father. He is not the Most High or the ancient of Days. He is the Son of the Most High, but scripture calls Him God (Elohim) too.

shdemidemi:
^^^ My question was how He became the son and not when? Was it two Gods from the beginning or father and son without a wife from the beginning?


The bible called Him the physical image of the invisible God, can you please shed some light on this.

Debroslink:


Bro, I really appreciate this comment.

However, I would like to comment on ur last paragraph saying Jesus is not the ancient of days or the most high.

Daniel chapter 7 shows us 2 ancients of days. The 1st one was SITTING on the throne (Daniel 7:9), and the 2nd one CAME with the clouds of heaven to give judgement in favour of the saints.(Daniel 7:13 and verse 22).

Genesis 14:19 Blessed be the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth.
Can this title be ascribed to Jesus? YES!!! John 1:10 and 11. The world was made by him. He came to his own.
If you create something, it means it's your own. You possess it.

Philippians 2:6 says it all. He had the form of God, yet He didn't make it a big deal. He put on the form of a servant. Calling Himself the Son of God and Son of man. Shouting "My God My God why have u forsaken me?" Claiming not to be good except God.

Titus said " great is the MYSTERY of godliness. GOD was manifest in the flesh.

What a humility. Only the Almighty God can be this humble.

Jesus, my Lord and MY GOD.

Bidam:
^^^@ ayoku777, you are confusing issue on "greater" and this is where the Jw folks get their ammunition to discredit the deity of Christ.

Firstly let me correct the impression about the word "FATHER" which you couldn't fully explain to shdemidemi since we know that there is only ONE GOD and ONE LORD. The word Father in relation to God doesn't mean father the way one is related to a human father or in the sense of someone who is "greater" or "older". God is not "older" than Jesus Christ. You have already stated here that Jesus is the Word of God, so can you separate God from his WORD? Jesus is eternal, as God the Father is eternal. Rather, the word Father refers to God's being the source from which Jesus was sent.

So as far as am concerned the concept of trinity is the ONLY logical explanation man can give to the mystery of the Godhead. God is ONE in 3 persons.

ayoku777:


Father is exactly how it means in human relation unless you wana twist the meaning of "begotten". Its not together, that the Father and Jesus is God. Jesus is God and the Father is the Most High God.

Jesus called the Father My God, not Fellow God.