Question: "What is the book of Enoch and should it be in the Bible?"

Answer: The Book of Enoch is any of several pseudepigraphal (falsely attributed works, texts whose claimed authorship is unfounded) works that attribute themselves to Enoch, the great-grandfather of Noah; that is, Enoch son of Jared (Genesis 5:18). Enoch is also one of the two people in the Bible taken up to heaven without dying (the other being Elijah), as the Bible says "And Enoch walked with God, and he was not; for God took him." (Genesis 5:24; see also Hebrews 11:5). Most commonly, the phrase "Book of Enoch" refers to 1 Enoch, which is wholly extant only in the Ethiopic language.

The biblical book of Jude quotes from the Book of Enoch in verses 14-15, “Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men: ‘See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones to judge everyone, and to convict all the ungodly of all the ungodly acts they have done in the ungodly way, and of all the harsh words ungodly sinners have spoken against him.’” But this does not mean the Book of Enoch is inspired by God and should be in the Bible.

Jude’s quote is not the only quote in the Bible from a non-biblical source. The Apostle Paul quotes Epimenides in Titus 1:12 but that does not mean we should give any additional authority to Epimenides’ writings. The same is true with Jude, verses 14-15. Jude quoting from the book of Enoch does not indicate the entire Book of Enoch is inspired, or even true. All it means is that particular verse is true. It is interesting to note that no scholars believe the Book of Enoch to have truly been written by the Enoch in the Bible. Enoch was seven generations from Adam, prior to the Flood (Genesis 5:1-24). Evidently, though, this was genuinely something that Enoch prophesied – or the Bible would not attribute it to him, “Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men…” (Jude 14). This saying of Enoch was evidently handed down by tradition, and eventually recorded in the Book of Enoch.

We should treat the Book of Enoch (and the other books like it) in the same manner we do the other Apocryphal writings. Some of what the Apocrypha says is true and correct, but at the same time, much of it is false and historically inaccurate. If you read these books, you have to treat them as interesting but fallible historical documents, not as the inspired, authoritative Word of God.

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/book-of-Enoch.html#ixzz3M3dtnQUq

Please can you give us some criteria. Something that we can apply to any text to determine whether it is the authoritative word of God or not.

We should treat the Book of Enoch (and the other books like it) in the same manner we do the other Apocryphal writings. Some of what the Apocrypha says is true and correct, but at the same time, much of it is false and historically inaccurate. If you read these books, you have to treat them as interesting but fallible historical documents, not as the inspired, authoritative Word of God.

What does the book of Enoch say that is historically inaccurate? How do you know that it is historically inaccurate? and would you apply such criteria to the other books of the Bible?

PastorAIO:


Please can you give us some criteria. Something that we can apply to any text to determine whether it is the authoritative word of God or not.

What does the book of Enoch say that is historically inaccurate? How do you know that it is historically inaccurate? and would you apply such criteria to the other books of the Bible?

Below is a link for your perusal as to the inaccuracies of the book of Enoch and why it cannot be considered to be God breathed. When you are done reading this I will then give you the measuring stick by which the inspired Word of God is ascertained.

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Wolves/book_of_enoch.htm

OLAADEGBU:


Below is a link for your perusal as to the inaccuracies of the book of Enoch and why it cannot be considered to be God breathed. When you are done reading this I will then give you the measuring stick by which the inspired Word of God is ascertained.

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Wolves/book_of_enoch.htm

Oya, I've read it.

PastorAIO:


Oya, I've read it.

Excuse me sire...you should also take a look at this.

http://thetruthandlight./2012/08/31/re-in-defense-the-book-of-enoch/


We should better take a look at the subject at hand in an objective manner. A wholistic and objective approach is indeed better. Thanks

TheIndustrialist:


Excuse me sire...you should also take a look at this.

http://thetruthandlight./2012/08/31/re-in-defense-the-book-of-enoch/


We should better take a look at the subject at hand in an objective manner. A wholistic and objective approach is indeed better. Thanks

I've read a little, I'll still read the rest when I have more time. It rebuts Olaadegbu's hero with ease, it seems. Actually I was aware of the sheer ignorance in Ola's link but my approach is rather to deal with what Ola himself says rather than deal with the link. So I won't comment until Ola himself answers my opening questions to him.
Thanks for the link though.

PastorAIO:


I've read a little, I'll still read the rest when I have more time. It rebuts Olaadegbu's hero with ease, it seems. Actually I was aware of the sheer ignorance in Ola's link but my approach is rather to deal with what Ola himself says rather than deal with the link. So I won't comment until Ola himself answers my opening questions to him.
Thanks for the link though.

You say "It rebuts Olaadegbu's hero with ease," Does this mean you agree with TheIndustrialist's rebuttals?

OLAADEGBU:


You say "It rebuts Olaadegbu's hero with ease," Does this mean you agree with TheIndustrialist's rebuttals?

It simply means you are a very ignorant and dogmatic person.

Bible is incomplete

if Jude could take a quote out of the book of Enoch then yes, it should be in the bible.

A question that need answers... Exactly how did they know what books were inspired by God and what books weren't inspired by God during the compilation and arrangement of the bible?

Anyone to help me?

TheIndustrialist:


Excuse me sire...you should also take a look at this.

http://thetruthandlight./2012/08/31/re-in-defense-the-book-of-enoch/


We should better take a look at the subject at hand in an objective manner. A wholistic and objective approach is indeed better. Thanks

Do you believe that humans were as tall as 450 feet as the book of Enoch claims?

PastorKun:


It simply means you are a very ignorant and dogmatic person.

How?

tobechi20:


Bible is incomplete

I should assume that PastorKun, PastorAIO, frosbel and theIndustrial will agree with you.

frosbel:


if Jude could take a quote out of the book of Enoch then yes, it should be in the bible.

It's not today that you've been swallowing half truths and lies. I trust you to fall for this lie too.

femidejulius:


A question that need answers... Exactly how did they know what books were inspired by God and what books weren't inspired by God during the compilation and arrangement of the bible?

Anyone to help me?

This question will be answered as soon as you acknowledge whether you believe the book of Enoch should be included in the Bible or not.

OLAADEGBU:


It's not today that you've been swallowing half truths and lies. I trust you to fall for this lie too.

Mr Kumuiyi's clone, where do you think Jude copied the following bible verse from ;

"Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about them: “See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones 15 to judge everyone, and to convict all of them of all the ungodly acts they have committed in their ungodliness, and of all the defiant words ungodly sinners have spoken against him." - Jude 1:14-15


Clue : Check out the book of Enoch Chapter 2.

OLAADEGBU:
Question: "What is the book of Enoch and should it be in the Bible?"

Answer: The Book of Enoch is any of several pseudepigraphal (falsely attributed works, texts whose claimed authorship is unfounded) works that attribute themselves to Enoch, the great-grandfather of Noah; that is, Enoch son of Jared (Genesis 5:18). Enoch is also one of the two people in the Bible taken up to heaven without dying (the other being Elijah), as the Bible says "And Enoch walked with God, and he was not; for God took him." (Genesis 5:24; see also Hebrews 11:5). Most commonly, the phrase "Book of Enoch" refers to 1 Enoch, which is wholly extant only in the Ethiopic language.

The biblical book of Jude quotes from the Book of Enoch in verses 14-15, “Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men: ‘See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones to judge everyone, and to convict all the ungodly of all the ungodly acts they have done in the ungodly way, and of all the harsh words ungodly sinners have spoken against him.’” But this does not mean the Book of Enoch is inspired by God and should be in the Bible.

Jude’s quote is not the only quote in the Bible from a non-biblical source. The Apostle Paul quotes Epimenides in Titus 1:12 but that does not mean we should give any additional authority to Epimenides’ writings. The same is true with Jude, verses 14-15. Jude quoting from the book of Enoch does not indicate the entire Book of Enoch is inspired, or even true. All it means is that particular verse is true. It is interesting to note that no scholars believe the Book of Enoch to have truly been written by the Enoch in the Bible. Enoch was seven generations from Adam, prior to the Flood (Genesis 5:1-24). Evidently, though, this was genuinely something that Enoch prophesied – or the Bible would not attribute it to him, “Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men…” (Jude 14). This saying of Enoch was evidently handed down by tradition, and eventually recorded in the Book of Enoch.

We should treat the Book of Enoch (and the other books like it) in the same manner we do the other Apocryphal writings. Some of what the Apocrypha says is true and correct, but at the same time, much of it is false and historically inaccurate. If you read these books, you have to treat them as interesting but fallible historical documents, not as the inspired, authoritative Word of God.

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/book-of-Enoch.html#ixzz3M3dtnQUq

when will you ever have your own opinion on a matter ?

frosbel:



Mr Kumuiyi's clone, where do you think Jude copied the following bible verse from ;

"Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about them: “See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones 15 to judge everyone, and to convict all of them of all the ungodly acts they have committed in their ungodliness, and of all the defiant words ungodly sinners have spoken against him." - Jude 1:14-15


Clue : Check out the book of Enoch Chapter 2.

The question is: Do you believe the book of Enoch is God breathed?

frosbel:



when will you ever have your own opinion on a matter ?

My opinion is well known in this section. It is an antithesis to what you now believe.

femidejulius:
A question that need answers... Exactly how did they know what books were inspired by God and what books weren't inspired by God during the compilation and arrangement of the bible?
Anyone to help me?

PastorAIO:
Please can you give us some criteria. Something that we can apply to any text to determine whether it is the authoritative word of God or not.

What does the book of Enoch say that is historically inaccurate? How do you know that it is historically inaccurate? and would you apply such criteria to the other books of the Bible?

Ola, the questions are piling up o. Please don't leave us hanging. remember your promise, Keep it and let the devil be ashamed.

OLAADEGBU:
When you are done reading this I will then give you the measuring stick by which the inspired Word of God is ascertained.

I've read it, please fulfil your promise.

Let me list out the questions thus far:

1)What are the criteria that we can apply to any text to find out if it is God breathed or not?

2)What does the book of Enoch say that is historically inaccurate?

3)How do you know that Enoch is historically inaccurate and would you apply that criteria to other books in the bible?

4)For FemideJulius: When the bible was being compiled How were the inspired books distinguished from the uninspired books?

OLAADEGBU:


Do you believe that humans were as tall as 450 feet as the book of Enoch claims?

Do you believe that a Snake and a Donkey talked as the bible claimed?

OLAADEGBU:


You say "It rebuts Olaadegbu's hero with ease," Does this mean you agree with TheIndustrialist's rebuttals?

I'll answer this question when you demonstrate that you are not a liar by answering my questions as you promised.

^^^^

I don't think Ola can answer those questions , his religious education does not allow him to apply logic or reason.

OLAADEGBU:


I should assume that PastorKun, PastorAIO, frosbel and theIndustrial will agree with you.

It depends on what you mean by the bible being complete. What determines whether the bible is complete or not

PastorAIO:


Ola, the questions are piling up o. Please don't leave us hanging. remember your promise, Keep it and let the devil be ashamed.


I've read it, please fulfil your promise.

Let me list out the questions thus far:

1)What are the criteria that we can apply to any text to find out if it is God breathed or not?

2)What does the book of Enoch say that is historically inaccurate?

3)How do you know that Enoch is historically inaccurate and would you apply that criteria to other books in the bible?

4)For FemideJulius: When the bible was being compiled How were the inspired books distinguished from the uninspired books?

I remember giving you the answer to your question sometime ago, which you either read or pretended ignorant. Go back to the answer I gave you.

PastorAIO:


Do you believe that a Snake and a Donkey talked as the bible claimed?

Yes. Oya, answer my kweshun.

PastorAIO:


I'll answer this question when you demonstrate that you are not a liar by answering my questions as you promised.

I already answered your question. If you haven't forgotten asking me this same question before you will remember my answer.

frosbel:


^^^^

I don't think Ola can answer those questions , his religious education does not allow him to apply logic or reason.

It's not a good idea to teach a pig how to sing, it's either I waste it's time or end up annoying it.

PastorKun:


It depends on what you mean by the bible being complete. What determines whether the bible is complete or not

It means that both the OT and NT Canon has been completed and closed. There are no other books to be added.

OLAADEGBU:


It means that both the OT and NT Canon has been completed and closed. There are no other books to be added.

When Jesus was ascending, did he promise us a completed book(bible) or the holy spirit for guidance?

i was here oh!

nna see thick thick quesions nah!